Conning Tower Upgrade in TMO 2.5

[flaminus]

Hello, guys, I've read in the PDF manual of TMO 2.5 that we have to finish at least 4 patrols in our current boat to get a conning tower upgrade. But there's a small problem:In my career, 4 patrols usually take more than a half year, after then, i maybe get a new sub due to a small bug stated in the TMO manual:--"The game seems to throw, rank, refits, and new commands, into the same bucket. If available, the game will always give you a new command or new rank, instead of a refit."

Therefore, may i ask how to disable the restriction of "4 partols" , which file(s) should we modificate? So that a conning tower upgrade could be available just when the right date comes and my currunt sub could undergo a few refits before i change it.:)

Edit: Just for testing, I start and end my patorls in port for about 10 more times. Due to my "poor" behavior I was asked to go to office job, If I refused, my career continued and I can still get new boats, but never meet a choice of conning tower upgrade. It is very strange, isn't it ?

[airsangel]

good point...join your voice..same problem

[Stealhead]

Well Ducimus no longer mods so he wont be changing anything and if you did poorly that was his design anyway not to get a good reward.

Also your method of testing is not helping you if you end patrols without any net result that is a "poor" patrol so you wont get a good rating and your test result will always be anything but a conning tower refit.

Lastly it depends on what you started with in the first place if you start in 1943 you have a chance to start with the final conning tower available.If you start in 1944 you will most likely start with a "current" boat with the best conning tower available.

In order to earn the conning tower upgrade or a better class boat you must have 4 well rated patrols.

You could always "cheat" and tweak the CareerTrack.upc file and give your self a high renown while you are at sea so when you end the patrol it adds to your score.

Honestly I circumvent this things by playing more than one career at a time each career at different dates.

[flaminus]

Well Ducimus no longer mods so he wont be changing anything and if you did poorly that was his design anyway not to get a good reward.

Also your method of testing is not helping you if you end patrols without any net result that is a "poor" patrol so you wont get a good rating and your test result will always be anything but a conning tower refit.

Lastly it depends on what you started with in the first place if you start in 1943 you have a chance to start with the final conning tower available.If you start in 1944 you will most likely start with a "current" boat with the best conning tower available.

In order to earn the conning tower upgrade or a better class boat you must have 4 well rated patrols.

You could always "cheat" and tweak the CareerTrack.upc file and give your self a high renown while you are at sea so when you end the patrol it adds to your score.

Honestly I circumvent this things by playing more than one career at a time each career at different dates.

Thanks. I've already finish one good partol, so i thought I can finished other 3 ones without doing anything to test wether can I get a conning upgrade. (As the manual said, it need 4 partols and at least 1 rated as goog)

It's really a pity that Ducimus left this marvelous mega mod. There are still many issues need to be tweaked. I just want to do some humble work to make the experience of TMO career better, but i'm not an expert in modding and lost my way.:nope:

[flaminus]

Anybody help? Is that possible? :wah:

[arrow]

Well, I have just received a coning tower upgrade after finishing just one (sucessful - 14kT, 4 completed objectives) patrol in Salmon Class (july 1942). I am running TMO 2.5, TMO 2.5 small patch and Water disturbance mod.

[ArditoCorsaro]

Arrow have you met some heavy bug in your refit with salmon?
in tmo+rsrdc every porpoise,salmon, sargo class, at first refit mid 42, lost radar screen. radar is present in equipment screen, but not in patrol.
someone say that with tmo 2.5 without rsrdc that's dont happen, so i wonder if you survived refit in mid 42 without problems.

[flaminus]

Arrow have you met some heavy bug in your refit with salmon?
in tmo+rsrdc every porpoise,salmon, sargo class, at first refit mid 42, lost radar screen. radar is present in equipment screen, but not in patrol.
someone say that with tmo 2.5 without rsrdc that's dont happen, so i wonder if you survived refit in mid 42 without problems.

Hi! follow this thread you can solve this bug. Good luck!

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=159776&highlight=RADAR+WARLORDATF

[ArditoCorsaro]

have you tried it flaminius?

[flaminus]

have you tried it flaminius?

Not yet. But I think that makes sense. As I said in the first post, I didn't get an upgrade from the game, so later I found a way to edit the savegame to "provide" an upgrade by myself. It's similar to that.

Automatic upgrade usually causes bugs like this or missing of crew slots and so on, you need to learn how to edit the savegame to fix it. :salute:

[flaminus]

have you tried it flaminius?

Not yet. But I think that makes sense. As I said in the first post, I didn't get an upgrade from the game, so later I found a way to edit the savegame to "provide" an upgrade by myself. It's similar to that.

Automatic upgrade usually causes bugs like this or missing of crew slots and so on, you need to learn how to edit the savegame to fix it. :salute:

[ArditoCorsaro]

Did you use tmo 2.5 alone or rsrdc? because 1st: gato/balao etc havent these bugs usually. (only if something got wrong. usually they havent.) and without rsrdc (tmo alone) seem that these bugs dont happen. (rsrdc change much files over original tmo. and rfb. heavy scripted layers. prevesible that some bug happen.)
I survived many refits with gato, tambor etc (dg bug is fixable using stern deck gun instead of forward.).
For that i asked. i'm trying indeed tmo alone now. we'll see :) thank you.

[flaminus]

yes i'm using TMO+RSRDC, but as said, i always "upgrade" the conning tower by manually editing the savegame, so i never met this problem.:D

i don't think using only TMO will make things better, because RSRDC didn't change anything about the 3D models of subs or conning towers, so it's a TMO issue.

[ArditoCorsaro]

but see arrow'? he have refit without bug with tmo only. and i met other people that havent problems with refits with tmo alone. btw how do you do refits manually? please tell me so i can lean. i like play older boats until 44 usually. so told me how do you edit save game.

[flaminus]

but see arrow'? he have refit without bug with tmo only. and i met other people that havent problems with refits with tmo alone. btw how do you do refits manually? please tell me so i can lean. i like play older boats until 44 usually. so told me how do you edit save game.

It's easy, start a new campaign in date late enough to get a new conning tower, and save the game when you are in dock, then open a "ActiveUserPlayerUnits.upc" with notepad, then select the this:
------------------------------------------------
[UserPlayerUnit 1.UnitPartSlot 1]
ID=SargoConningSlot
NameDisplayable=Conning Tower Mount

...all the way to...

[UserPlayerUnit 1.UpgradePackSlot 8]
ID=UpgPaint
NameDisplayable=Submarine Paint
Type=NULL
AcceptedTypes=PaintCoating
UserCustomizable=Yes
IDLinkUpgradePackSlots=PaintJob
CurrentUpgradePack=UpackPaintDefault
IDLinkUpgradePackSlotsLoaded=NULL
-----------------------------------------

Copy them to your current savegame to replace the corresponding text.

NOTE:
1. All the save file should be in dock;
2. don't mix sub class, if you give sargo a gato tower, it will be wrong;
3. in those sections of "[UserPlayerUnit 1.UpgradePackSlot X]", all the equipments should be unchanged except for the AA guns.

[ArditoCorsaro]

thank you! last question: when boat go under refit, i mean by default in mid 42, since you yet refitted manually sub, it dont have effects yes?

[flaminus]

thank you! last question: when boat go under refit, i mean by default in mid 42, since you yet refitted manually sub, it dont have effects yes?

Sorry i don't quite understand your meaning. Hope my answer is what your want:
After a manually upgrading, of course you may go under a another default refit. This default refit will "overwrite" what you have done in the savegame, if the default one is lower than your manually upgrading one, you just need to do it again.

[ArditoCorsaro]

yes thank you. sorry my english :D

[ArditoCorsaro]

i should copy also names of sailors, between conning slot and upgrade packs?

[flaminus]

For convenience and safety you should, but if you don't want to do it, that's OK, and be careful to make sure you don't miss anything

[ArditoCorsaro]

Thanks. i will post if with tmo alone first conn tower cut is without problems like arrow and other people sad.btw i played much to tmo+rsrdc, what i like are detailed spe ops, and fleet operations (recon duty. like in java campaign where you should patrol molucca/celebes passages, for recon.).
what i dont like of it, is that is too predictable: you know yet that for example 21 dec 41 a jap convoy is in lingayen gulf, or you know yet that a jap cruiser force will be in java sea february 42. or you can run historical battles. :D too predictable. and heavy scripted layers can cause bugs. (especially with rfb they do that. some ship or port ctd.). but is a great mod anycase. i should try it with gfo. in stock. sometime. while after many times, now im playin tmo alone, less predictable, also for have more harder escorts, for check refits, and also i like the use of the "flowers chart" (the grid secret names on map. convoy college, etc etc germans call it "flower's chart, because every grid was a flower.)

[ArditoCorsaro]

When i save game in my campaign, before start a new campaign and copy active player units, should i mount radars if i havent? i ask, because for test, i try to refit my boat in february 42, just for a test. and i refitted succesfully, but my sj radar screen, dont sweep. radar screen appear on, and is on. but the sweeper, dont turn. that's happened maybe because in my campaign, i didnt mount radars before copy conning slots in my active player units file?

[ArditoCorsaro]

I resolved that problem. was because febryary 42 is too early for radars. :) i tested it in mid 42 and go fine. thank you friend! you resolved a dilemma for me. was years that i couldnt finish a campaign :D
Real last question sorry: if for manually refit, i wait that cpu refit my boat in mid 42, it go anycase? (i mean. for avoid being refitted 2 times. an example: if i refit my boat in may-june 42, cut of conning tower, and after 1 month cpu refit automatically it, maybe i should refit again manually it for avoid some bug if happen. so can i refit manually and succesfully my boat, after normal game refit? for avoid 2 refits?).

[flaminus]

I resolved that problem. was because febryary 42 is too early for radars. :) i tested it in mid 42 and go fine. thank you friend! you resolved a dilemma for me. was years that i couldnt finish a campaign :D
Real last question sorry: if for manually refit, i wait that cpu refit my boat in mid 42, it go anycase? (i mean. for avoid being refitted 2 times. an example: if i refit my boat in may-june 42, cut of conning tower, and after 1 month cpu refit automatically it, maybe i should refit again manually it for avoid some bug if happen. so can i refit manually and succesfully my boat, after normal game refit? for avoid 2 refits?).

:hmmm: if the cpu refit gives you the same tower as your current one, you don't need to manually refit again. i think there will be no bugs. (maybe you need to equip the radars or AA guns again in the game)

but as for me, i like the late-war conning tower with 3 AA guns, so i usually manually upgrade to it in late 1942. If there will be a cpu refit, i will go back to a worse tower. So in this case, i need to do manually upgrade again to get the better tower back.