[Needed] floating Mine with asdic

[THE_MASK]

[Needed] Floating Mine with asdic . What i would like is a floating mine with asdic so that they could be placed and preferably drift . To be used instead of indicator loops in enemy harbors . Any better ideas ?

[V13dweller]

Do you mean a mine with a Sonar on it? Could you give me a link to it? It sounds very interesting.

I also did not know there were indicator loops.

I guess I have missed quite a lot then.

:doh:

Another idea (Not shooting yours down, because you do have a great idea)

There could be dedicated watches around harbors or coastal guns.
Coastal guns have a model, but I have never seen them used.

[THE_MASK]

http://indicatorloops.com/

[V13dweller]

Interesting stuff, but what about the mine with the Asdic on it?

[THE_MASK]

Interesting stuff, but what about the mine with the Asdic on it?I dont care what it is , i just need something you can place with the mission editor that can detect your sub and alert other ships .

[V13dweller]

That makes perfect sense and would help in making custom missions.

[gap]

[Needed] Floating Mine with asdic . What i would like is a floating mine with asdic so that they could be placed and preferably drift . To be used instead of indicator loops in enemy harbors . Any better ideas ?

Good idea. I would use a dummy unit, stripped down as much as possible. Equipping it with ASDIC would have the side effect that we would hear its ping. A mix of visual and hydrophone sensors is probably more appropriate, though it would allow us to sneak into enemy ports at silent speed and/or at night.
We can give those sensors appropriate range and sensitivity so that 1-2 indicator loop units would cover an entire port, without need to make them drifting :hmm2:

[divingbluefrog]

Good idea! But more than a dummy unit, I would tweak a little an existing buoy to make it submerged...with all needed sensors...:)

[gap]

Good idea! But more than a dummy unit, I would tweak a little an existing buoy to make it submerged...with all needed sensors...:)

a buoy or a mine are all a good starting base for creating the "dummy unit" that I was mentioning before. Submerged or not, it will make little difference, as it is going to be invisible and not detectable by any U-boat sensor :salute:

[TheDarkWraith]

Coastal units are the way to do this. Trying to make a dummy unit with no kind of UnitCommander controller will do nothing as it will be unable to spot anything or use any sensors. If you place a UnitCommander type controller on it then it will be able to use sensors but your crew will also be able to spot it (it will show up on maps either as sonar contact or visual contact) thus defeating the purpose.

[volodya61]

I dont care what it is , i just need something you can place with the mission editor that can detect your sub and alert other ships .
Good idea. I would use a dummy unit, stripped down as much as possible.
Good idea!
a buoy or a mine are all a good starting base for creating the "dummy unit" that I was mentioning before.

You think it will work?
We able to move on surface in Scapa and all the DDs can see us but.. they are docked and we can do with them whatever we want.. alert does nothing..

See here - http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2049384&postcount=2062

[TheDarkWraith]

We able to move on surface in Scapa and all the DDs can see us but.. they are docked and we can do with them whatever we want.. alert does nothing..

I thought I fixed that in latest version of IRAI :hmmm:

[volodya61]

I thought I fixed that in latest version of IRAI :hmmm:

As I said in IRAI thread, for some weird reason only docked battleships able to fire at the subs.. DDs don't..

[Trevally.]

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4294/99718390.jpg

Only the BBs are docked - the DDs are active.
Perhaps because they are part of the Oak Group, with the Oak as group leader (docked) that they do not act:hmmm:

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Coastal units are the way to do this. Trying to make a dummy unit with no kind of UnitCommander controller will do nothing as it will be unable to spot anything or use any sensors. If you place a UnitCommander type controller on it then it will be able to use sensors but your crew will also be able to spot it (it will show up on maps either as sonar contact or visual contact) thus defeating the purpose.

Agree on the unitcommander stuff, as for them being spotted by our crew, I don't think it would happen if we make them submerged and stationary. Moreover, if I remember correctly while I was working on the whale for OH, watchcrew was unable to spot them until I added a collisionable object controller to their zon file :hmmm:

[TheDarkWraith]

Only the BBs are docked - the DDs are active.
Perhaps because they are part of the Oak Group, with the Oak as group leader (docked) that they do not act:hmmm:

If the leader doesn't move none of the group moves :yep: So yes having BB docked (and it being the leader) will cause all the other ships to not move

Agree on the unitcommander stuff, as for them being spotted by our crew, I don't think it would happen if we make them submerged and stationary :hmmm:

They will more than likely show up as sonar contacts on the maps. Look at the mines and subnets I made spottable. They show up as contacts on the maps.

[volodya61]

Only the BBs are docked - the DDs are active.
Perhaps because they are part of the Oak Group, with the Oak as group leader (docked) that they do not act:hmmm:
If the leader doesn't move none of the group moves :yep: So yes having BB docked (and it being the leader) will cause all the other ships to not move

I didn't mean only the Scapa.. I mean - any DD in the game, as soon as its status become docked then it's not able anymore to fire at the subs.. and we can surface the boat and fire at it with the deck-gun..

Maybe I use the wrong term - docked.. I mean, as soon as DD stops, it become absolutely safe..

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They will more than likely show up as sonar contacts on the maps. Look at the mines and subnets I made spottable. They show up as contacts on the maps.

IIRC, there is a non-spottable version of mines and subnets :hmmm:

[TheDarkWraith]

IIRC, there is a non-spottable version of mines and subnets :hmmm:

Yes I made that also. The problem with that is it will never detect anything (it has no UnitCommander controller and thus will never use any of it's sensors to try and detect anything)

[divingbluefrog]

let's mask them as school of fish....detectable on sonar : yes, neutral: yes...:D

[Bathrone]

Interesting. Since it was electromagnetic according to that URL it should not be like active sonar and ping, rather be silent.