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soopaman2
11-23-12, 10:17 PM
Let's face it, there is no fix for the ME, in the end it will be about choosing a side. The only thing that ever solves these problems is all out warfare, like our Civil War. We can keep putting it off, but we know one day it will explode.
And when our Civil War finally fired off we killed nearly 700k of one another, without no one jumping in.
People will jump in in the ME, due to the fact so many American politicians use Israel to get elected, we will jump in, and end up in some 10 year long war, with many deaths for no personal gain for Americans.
Israel is like a boat. A hole in the water you throw money into.
BOAT= Bust out another Trillion.
I say abandon them, or let their real benefactors, the Brits (yes, this is your monster, America is left with the mess though) supply them with money and equipment, we got our own crap, and a much larger populace to take care of.
Armistead
11-23-12, 10:35 PM
If the Civil War had not been so cruel, our nation would've remained divided. By the end of it the South was done and just ready to move on in peace.
The US will never abandon Israel, as much as we support them, we also keep them in check. If we did and WW3 broke out as the ME tried to attack Israel, it would bring the world in.
The ME will always be in turmoil, the people poor, uneducated, etc...This is how religion controls the masses. Sure, would be nice if they only killed each other, but the world needs the oil.
I honestly think leaders like Hussian are needed in the ME, we should befriend them and use them.
soopaman2
11-23-12, 10:45 PM
If the Civil War had not been so cruel, our nation would've remained divided. By the end of it the South was done and just ready to move on in peace.
The US will never abandon Israel, as much as we support them, we also keep them in check. If we did and WW3 broke out as the ME tried to attack Israel, it would bring the world in.
The ME will always be in turmoil, the people poor, uneducated, etc...This is how religion controls the masses. Sure, would be nice if they only killed each other, but the world needs the oil.
I honestly think leaders like Hussian are needed in the ME, we should befriend them and use them.
Then they will always feel like some "tool to the savages"
It is about how ME leaders try to use America and other western nations as "catalysts for hate"
Taking advantage of our reigious freedom to spin us as some kind of heathens, because we do not stone to death raped women like they do.
They will always be savages, and until they learn to "play nice in the schoolyard" , they will continue to be tank and sniper fire fodder.
And our soldiers will make great internet beheading videos.
The savages are on both sides.
Now if Israel goes away overnight much like they popped up overnight....Well I bet oil barrel prices drop...
Anti-Semite? Nope, just get what the arabs are angry about. And arabs are Semetic people too, so not anti Semite.:)
Jimbuna
11-24-12, 05:44 AM
And the feuds continue, even in Pakistan.
http://news.msn.com/world/pakistan-cuts-phones-to-stop-bomb-attacks-on-shiites
Now that is one country I have little time and hope for...thanfully India is not as anti-western and to some extent helps keep Pakistan in check.
Now if Israel goes away overnight much like they popped up overnight....Well I bet oil barrel prices drop...
If Israel "goes away" it will mean the deaths of many millions of people. Kind of a high price to pay for the false bet that it will lower oil prices wouldn't you say?
Time will tell,:hmmm:
Looks like another story of how to get along with your friends and neighbors , right Vendor!:D
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/pakistan/Pak-Taliban-threatens-Indians-anywhere-to-avenge-Kasabs-execution/articleshow/17329114.cms
Jimbuna
11-24-12, 01:59 PM
I doubt India will tolerate as much crap from them as some have.
It'll be interesting to see what Pakistan will do should India decide to cleanse the area from which theses terrorists operate.
They sure don't need much of an excuse to go after each other, do they!
Man, they are pathetic!
Jimbuna
11-24-12, 02:31 PM
Anyone still remember the official western recognised leader of the Palestinians?
A long list of Arab leaders visited the Gaza Strip in the past week as it faced the fiercest fighting with Israel in four years.
However, one name was notably absent - that of Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.
He has not visited Gaza since his political rivals, Hamas, won legislative elections and then took over the territory by force five years ago.
As Hamas now celebrates what it sees as the victory of its militants over Israel and promises to ease movement restrictions in the Palestinian territory, Mr Abbas risks losing credibility.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20471057
Haven't heard anything about him in quite a while.
Anyone still remember the official western recognised leader of the Palestinians?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20471057
Aren't they digging him up this weekend?
Oh wait...that was the last one...
Jimbuna
11-24-12, 04:02 PM
LOL :)
Tribesman
11-24-12, 06:16 PM
Haven't heard anything about him in quite a while.
Last week a couple of Israeli ministers said he had to be removed from office.
Do they fear Abbas that much because of his stance on getting the Palestinians into the UN?
Tribesman
11-25-12, 02:40 AM
Do they fear Abbas that much because of his stance on getting the Palestinians into the UN?
Thats the story.
I would think the Israeli's have bigger problems to worry about then that.
Jimbuna
11-25-12, 06:06 AM
Wondering what the chances are of the Palestinians gaining recognition/admission :hmmm:
Skybird
11-25-12, 08:04 AM
Wondering what the chances are of the Palestinians gaining recognition/admission :hmmm:
Overwhelmingly in their favour: around 130 countries are expected to vote for them.
Note: they want recognition in pre-1967 borders.
Gaining the status they want now would open them access to UN institutions and UN courts. The latter would enable them to launch huge propaganda offensive against Israel and putting them under pressure without needing to negotiate with them.
The UN status they now seek effectively means to create facts that in negotiations with Israel they have refused to trade by means of give-and-take. In the end, they want avoid having to accept Israel's right to exist, and want access to all its territory for open, unlimited free movement of Palestinians into Israel. which would mean the movement of millions into Israel (Gaza 1,7 million), Westbank 2,4 million, of these 1,7 are Arabs, and then an unknown number of exiled Palestinians scattered around the whole region, and the whole world) Israel has a total population of 7,8 million, 1,8 million of these are Arabs.
Lets have those 1,8 million Arabs in Israel with maybe 1,3 coming from Gaza and 1,8 million from Westbank, and you would have roughly 6 million Jews confronted by 4,9 million Arabs (exiled Palestinian Arabs returning from the diaspora not counted). Consider Palestinian women having a mean of 4 children and Israeli women having "just" 3 - demography is a weapon. Finally see how much smaller shares of the population revolting against the government have brought down the regimes in Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, and how one single bus bomb have shocked Israel again during the Gaza war. You do not need almost 5 million Arabs in Israel to threaten state and society from within and overburden the security services, if these riot groups would act with a certain amount of coordination. Even a tenth of those 5 million already could mean major existential threat to Israels structural integrity and security. What would Israel be if 1 million angry Palestinian young men would start to spread riots and unrest across the whole country? ;) It would be a country that would need all its military being bound in trying to keep the upper hand back at home. That means a military unavailable for defending against threats from outside. It also means civil war sooner or later.
As I see it, the Israelis cannot afford and never will accept free movement of Palestinian Arabs into Israel. They would commit suicide by that.
And maybe that is why many Westerners expect them to accept it.
Jimbuna
11-25-12, 10:58 AM
Looks like interesting times ahead provided the Palestinians are thinking on the same lines as the above.
Tribesman
11-25-12, 02:25 PM
Looks like interesting times ahead provided the Palestinians are thinking on the same lines as the above.
Look at the source of the above. Note how much is obvious bull, then think if the Palestinians in question are really spouting the same bull as Sky just did.
Jimbuna
11-25-12, 02:34 PM
Oh I like to keep an open mind :03:
Tribesman
11-25-12, 04:05 PM
Now now mr. Jim:rotfl2:
But seriously the open mind is good , he does on occasion bring up some good points, but mostly you might as well be getting it straight from Gellers blog or the daily fail as they are less long winded .....plus the daily fail does issue retractions when it get called out on its bull:D
I didn't want start a new thread because it's about the same issue
A friend postet this link in a group on Facebook, and asked for conformation
He have not heard anything in the mainstream media
http://www.debka.com/article/22557/
Is this one of these "fake" news?
Even I haven't heard anything about it. The only thing that I have read, when it comes to USA is that from RT(posted in this thread)
Markus
I don't believe any US troops are going to Egypt, haven't seen it on any news site other then the one you linked to.
I don't believe any US troops are going to Egypt, haven't seen it on any news site other then the one you linked to.
Either do I. I don't thing that USA is interested in getting involved, so it's a fake news.
Markus
Jimbuna
11-25-12, 05:31 PM
I doubt the article is accurate :hmmm:
I'd be very surprised, there'd be public uproar in the US and Egypt over it.
soopaman2
11-25-12, 05:52 PM
Either do I. I don't thing that USA is interested in getting involved, so it's a fake news.
Markus
Very right.
Usually before we go to war there is a propaganda campaign to "justify" it, no such campaign is started, nor does the average American even hear about this, nor care if they do.
Most of us are worried about ourselves, as we should be in these times.
Either do I. I don't thing that USA is interested in getting involved, so it's a fake news.
Markus I agree.
Tribesman
11-26-12, 03:24 AM
So according to Debka America is not only taking over the de-militarized zone it is also invading Syria next week.
Jimbuna
11-26-12, 05:45 AM
Probably enslaving Europe enroute as it moves across the region.
The Israeli Defence Minister, Ehud Barak, has announced that he is quitting politics and will not be contesting January's general election.
Mr Barak, a former military chief of staff who served as prime minister from 1999 to 2001, said he would now concentrate on his personal life.
"I want to study, to write, to live and have a good time," he told reporters.
The 70 year old will remain as defence minister, a post he has held since 2007, until a new government is formed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20493758
Note: Update record, 26 November 2012 Last updated at 11:50 GMT
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20501144
A breakthrough,:hmmm:
Note: Update record, 26 November 2012 Last updated at 17:42 GMT
Jimbuna
11-26-12, 04:00 PM
Most enlightening
Hope there is always,:hmmm:
The former Israeli foreign minister, Tzipi Livni, has announced her return to politics as the head of a new party.
Ms Livni said "The Movement" would contest January's general election on a manifesto that included the pursuit of a peace deal with the Palestinians.
She said she would appeal to "people who do not have anyone to vote for."
Ms Livni served as foreign minister from 2006 to 2009. She resigned from parliament in May after losing the leadership of the Kadima party.
Change in country?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20510263
Note: Update record, 27 November 2012 Last updated at 11:19 GMT
geetrue
11-27-12, 07:35 AM
Israel has a new defense weapon coming out in 2014
What happens if Hamas accidently fires a rocket with
WMD in it and they blow it up all over Israel (not good)
http://news.yahoo.com/israel-successfully-tests-missile-defense-system-184817893.html
"David's Sling," also known "Magic Wand," is developed by Israel's Rafael Advanced Defense Systems
and U.S.-based Raytheon Co. and is primarily designed to counter the large arsenal of Hezbollah rockets in Lebanon.
The military said the program, which is on schedule for deployment in 2014, would "provide an additional layer of
defense against ballistic missiles."
Don't forget 2017 is the 70th year of statehood and the 50th year of the occupation,
a very important date I would think, but then I thought
2007 or 2011 would be important.
Hope I'm wrong :yep:
Jimbuna
11-27-12, 08:46 AM
Hopefully Israeli intelligence would learn of it before it could be launched but either way I should imagine Israel would respond proportionally.
Nippelspanner
11-27-12, 09:42 AM
Well put Oberon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20514194
No surprise there.
Note: Update,record 27 November 2012 Last updated at 19:33 GMT
Skybird
11-27-12, 07:58 PM
A small detail in the latest IAEA report on Iran, seems to have rang alarm bells again that now everybody either tries to mute, or to play down. I am no nuclear engineer, but it had soemthign to do with nuclear material being removed from an installation and put into some separate bassin, which, so the article that I read has explained, is a strong indication that they plan and have the capacity to win up to 300 kg not of weapon-usable uranium, but plutonium within a short time. Further it was said that the removal, which already has been completed, slaps the Russians into their face since they delivered the original material and guaranteed to replace it in time and keep it under "control", as they claimed, so that what Iran just did never would happen. It also seems that Iran is so bitterly determined to get the bomb that they even risk for it to lose Russia's support. That determination is no surprise for me, but it is claimed to be a surprise for Western "diplomats".
The UN nuclear agency has acknowledged that one of its computer servers was hacked by an anti-Israeli group.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20522585
Not surprised that stuff like that happens everyday, in these times.
Note: Update record, 28 November 2012 Last updated at 07:30 GMT
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20524115
Jimbuna
11-28-12, 11:53 AM
A small detail in the latest IAEA report on Iran, seems to have rang alarm bells again that now everybody either tries to mute, or to play down. I am no nuclear engineer, but it had soemthign to do with nuclear material being removed from an installation and put into some separate bassin, which, so the article that I read has explained, is a strong indication that they plan and have the capacity to win up to 300 kg not of weapon-usable uranium, but plutonium within a short time. Further it was said that the removal, which already has been completed, slaps the Russians into their face since they delivered the original material and guaranteed to replace it in time and keep it under "control", as they claimed, so that what Iran just did never would happen. It also seems that Iran is so bitterly determined to get the bomb that they even risk for it to lose Russia's support. That determination is no surprise for me, but it is claimed to be a surprise for Western "diplomats".
If Iran looses Russian support there may be a speeding up of the clock on deciding what action to take against them as a consequence.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/29/us-palestinians-statehood-idUSBRE8AR0EG20121129
Note: Update,record Thu Nov 29, 2012
Jimbuna
11-29-12, 06:51 PM
Old news....what is current? :nope:
Tribesman
11-29-12, 07:24 PM
Old news....what is current?
Its a small raisin
Skybird
11-29-12, 07:28 PM
In the last moment, Germany has fallen to cowardice again, and just stayed "neutral". Before yesterday it was planned to vote with "no". But that would mean to not be liked by certain precious countries.
Next station for the Palestinian Arabs: UN High Courts. Station after that: sueing Israel over almost everything, like the SC and the UN already get mass-bombed by resolutions and demands that are driven by Islamic countries and that try to desintegrate Israel. The Palestinians will feel encouraged to continue with their total denial of compromises and just putting up maximum demands.
Israel I think will from now on just ignore Abbas even more, and forever. Obama will try to press the Israelis, the Israelis will turn even more icy on him. Germany's foreign joke Westerwelle will continue to babble about this ancient, long since dead term, the "peace process". There has been none worth the term since 20 years or so, but what is reality under the eyes of a stupid, narcissistic politician like Westerwelle?
I see a small but possible 5% chance or so that Israel in case of more UN actions by Abbas will invade the Westbank again, to confront the Israel-hostile international climate with solid facts on the ground. And maybe forcing Fatah government into exile from the Westbank. Not their favourite option, I assume, but a possibility.
Old news....what is current? :nope: Keep up!
Tribesman
11-30-12, 03:48 AM
Next station for the Palestinian Arabs: UN High Courts. Station after that: sueing Israel over almost everything
:har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
In the real world there are two things to consider before deciding if that is true or just more Skybull.
Firstly what is Israels current agreements concerning the UN courts and its jurisdiction?
Secondly what will any future issues require both parties to agree to before hand?
So, Skybull much?:yep:
http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q764/gasturbin/qalandia-statehoode-demo_1209.jpg
Demonstrating for statehood at Qalandia Checkpoint.
The Israeli left and the US administration view the planned establishment of the Mevasseret Adumim neighborhood in E-1 as the last nail in the coffin of the two-state solution. It would effectively bisect the West Bank and sever the physical link between the Palestinian territories and Jerusalem.
The story goes on....
http://www.israeli-occupation.org/
Note: Update,record 2 December 2012
Jimbuna
12-03-12, 08:47 AM
Why are we getting involved? :o
UK summons Israel ambassador over settlements
The UK has summoned Israel's ambassador in London over the plans to expand settlement building in the occupied Palestinian territories.
The Foreign Office warned of a "strong reaction", but dismissed reports that the British ambassador in Tel Aviv could be withdrawn.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20578684
Skybird
12-03-12, 08:58 AM
Typical Western two-faceness. The 3000 homes being approved now already had been planned and mulled sinc elong before the UN vote. It is just coincidence that they are being waved thorugh now. Maybe they now announced it "a couple of days" earlier, but the process behind the plan is much older.
So far the only 100% reaction of Israel to the UN coup is the freezing of money. It won'T remain the only one, I assume. If Abbas thinks he had brought himself back into the match,m he probbaly will find out that he indeed has acchieved right the opposite. Israel will bypass him even more than it already did in the past, and instead focus on trying to politically entangle the Hamas in obligations that will hinder it to act by open terror anymore. Fatah just is not interesting for them anymore: incapable and impotent, corrupt and with anything but an impressive record.
Western nations juts love to declare themselves friends of Israel - an demanding it to agree to slowly being deconstructed by its own stupidity. That way you can be "anti" without needing to admit that you are "anti". You can be anti without needing to defend yourself for it. Sly!!
Who ever criticize building in the place in question(Ma'ale adumim) has no sense of reality or geography or is a plain idiot.
Or It is simply populist bull.....
This region is part of Israel one way or another....if ever ever once upon a time any agreement is made.
Palestinians may have UL Em Fahen as compensation. :03: or what ever.
Criticizing building in those places actually blocks any possibility of sensible agreement or compromise about the so called territories.
It gives the Palestinians legitimacy for impossible claims further blocking possibility of mutual compromise.
all this outcry is just a bull....about nothing really.... and actually damaging the actual possibility of peace process.
Skybird
12-03-12, 11:05 AM
but actually damaging the actual possibility of peace process.
What "actual peace process"...? I'm not aware of any since the mid-90s. The last events linked to a "peace process" worth the name were the Palestinians spoiling it again back then, two times, by sticking to maximum demands, insisting on total access for all Palestinians to all Israeli territory, and refusing to accept the right to exist of Israel. When Netanjahu got elected in - 1999 or 2000?, he rected to that total denialk by setting up new settlement plans for Israel. Of course, his reaction then was relabled as the cause, and since then he is seen as the guilty one and the Palestinians being the victims.
The Palestinians just want it all. And they get away with it in global opinion. They do not negotiate for getting anything less. They did not get what they wanted ("all"), so now they turned to the UN to give them all they want so that the must not negotiate with Israel, but just can pressurize it diplomatically, and sue it and the Un courts. It is only a question of time before they will now also be granted access to UN courts, and then they will start a show - bet?
"Peace process".:haha: Good joke! :yeah: Impotent Western political leaders must keep the myth alive, else they would need to admit that either themselves they have no role to play, or that they must try to destroy Israel themselves and accept responsibility for it, instead of just hoping that Israel would accept to destroy itself, and then Westerners shaking hands with right those Muslim powers that they are so eager to appease, hoping that this way they will be save.
Nobody listens to the EU in climate questions. Nobody listens to the EU in financial questions. Nobody listens to the EU in military and security questions. Nobody cares for the EU's idea of new cultural mono-identity. Nobody wants to follow the EU's shining "lead" - and this although the EU means it all so well! :D That hurts! But at least in collaboration with Islam and Arabs the EU will show how powerful it is, Israel will be taught a lesson, here is where the EU will prove its determination! :har:
P.S. No strike against you, M.H., I understood your post correctly. ;) I'm mocking about the illusion of a still existing peace process in general, not about you. Just adding this because I realised my posting could be misunderstood as being directed against you, which it isn't.
Tribesman
12-03-12, 11:07 AM
Who ever criticize building in the place in question(Ma'ale adumim) has no sense of reality or geography or is a plain idiot.
Whoever supports the building is a complete idiot.
Has your Bunkervision kicked in again?:yep:
This region part of Israel one way or another....
Then withdraw from all the treaties it violates and stand alone as a pariah state.
You could be the new North Korea:rotfl2:
Criticizing building in those places actually blocks any possibility of sensible agreement or compromise about the so called territories.
An illegal act is an illegal act.
"so called territories":doh:
It and gives the Palestinians legitimacy for impossible claims further blocking possibility of mutual compromise.
Likud has the stated policy of no compromise whatsover.:know:
The 3000 homes being approved now already had been planned and mulled sinc elong before the UN vote. It is just coincidence that they are being waved thorugh now.
In other news santa is around all year it just happens to be coincidence that he makes an appearance at Christmas.
When Netanjahu got elected in - 1999 or 2000?, he rected to that total denialk by setting up new settlement plans for Israel. Of course, his reaction then was relabled as the cause, and since then he is seen as the guilty one and the Palestinians being the victims.
Sorry to point out more of your Bull, but Netenyahu is on record publicly boasting that he wrecked the peace process
Hi tribesman...lots lols....
Israeli security forces have shot dead a Palestinian man in the West Bank.
Details are unclear, but an Israeli police spokeswoman said the man had approached them wielding an axe.
Reports say the man had been driving a car between the settlements of Shavei Shomron and Einav, raising the suspicions of the security personnel.
They began chasing him and his car collided with their own vehicle, which then overturned. The man is then said to have come towards them with the axe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20579157
Two of the security personnel were lightly injured in the crash.
Note: 3 December 2012 Last updated at 10:15 GMT
Skybird
12-04-12, 06:33 AM
Wielding an axe. :doh: What's next? Wielding a rolled MAD comic?
Darwin Award!
Skybird
12-04-12, 06:53 AM
Hardly. Guns they probably have more than waffles in the bakeries.
http://i1358.photobucket.com/albums/q764/gasturbin/EA1G02_Sweet-Potato-Waffles_lg.jpg
I'm getting hungry,:D
Jimbuna
12-04-12, 10:16 AM
Hardly. Guns they probably have more than waffles in the bakeries.
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/arts/files/2010/01//gun.jpg
Skybird
12-04-12, 11:05 AM
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4710/heathledger3k.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/19/heathledger3k.jpg/)
mjah - that kind of spoiled my agument...
Catfish
12-04-12, 11:40 AM
It must be the region, somehow :88)
All those happy people ...
"Tzvika is nine years old and lives in Beitar Illit, an Israeli settlement in the West Bank. It is a gated community of 36,000 Haredi (Orthodox) Jews.
Televisions and newspapers are banned from the settlement.
The average family has nine children, but Tzvika has just one sister and two brothers, with whom he shares his room.
Tzvika wants to become a rabbi when he is older. He also likes to play religious games on his computer.
His favourite food is schnitzel and chips."
http://assets.motherjones.com/media/2012/11/Israel_Tzvika_630.jpg
It must be the region, somehow :88)
All those happy people ...
"Tzvika is nine years old and lives in Beitar Illit, an Israeli settlement in the West Bank. It is a gated community of 36,000 Haredi (Orthodox) Jews.
Televisions and newspapers are banned from the settlement.
The average family has nine children, but Tzvika has just one sister and two brothers, with whom he shares his room.
Tzvika wants to become a rabbi when he is older. He also likes to play religious games on his computer.
His favourite food is schnitzel and chips."
http://assets.motherjones.com/media/2012/11/Israel_Tzvika_630.jpg
The guy dos not dream jihad and does not play SH all day long so what is the issue?
Catfish
12-04-12, 02:02 PM
^the latter would probably solve some problerms, if more people did it :)
Let's also remember that the late Christopher Hitchens, the world's leading atheist thinker in his time, pointed out that the United States, the EU, the UN, and liberal-minded Israelis are overwhelmingly in favour of a two-state solution and oppose the construction of additional settlements. The problem is that the settlers have quite a lot of veto power in that regard, and these settlers are the type of people who believe the Messiah will only come once all the Arabs are out of the Holy Land and all the Jews were in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQxhyy9Wpb4
Let's also remember that the late Christopher Hitchens, the world's leading atheist thinker in his time, pointed out that the United States, the EU, the UN, and liberal-minded Israelis are overwhelmingly in favour of a two-state solution and oppose the construction of additional settlements. The problem is that the settlers have quite a lot of veto power in that regard, and these settlers are the type of people who believe the Messiah will only come once all the Arabs are out of the Holy Land and all the Jews were in it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQxhyy9Wpb4
The world leading atheist thinker....lol sort of funny personal title....but he says so he knows.Some one get him the white donkey know.
As for the fact that majority is supporting the two state solution that is true but the term may vary.
It is not about settlers and settelements only as happily portraited by media , the issues are a bit deeper than that...
Would be nice to knowing what Hichens has to say about Palestinian liberals.....
Tribesman
12-05-12, 03:11 AM
Would be nice to knowing what Hichens has to say about Palestinian liberals.....
Same as what he says about the Israeli liberals, they don't get noticed because the zealous nuts are always ranting:03:
Same as what he says about the Israeli liberals, they don't get noticed because the zealous nuts are always ranting:03:
:hmmm:I hear them every day here....
Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal insisted that Israel had no legitimacy
Hamas political leader Khaled Meshaal has told tens of thousands of people marking the 25th anniversary of the Palestinian Islamist group's founding that it will not recognise Israel.
In a fiery speech during his first ever visit to Gaza, he said Palestinians would not cede any part of their land.
Mr Meshaal's visit follows a ceasefire that ended days of violence between Israel and Hamas last month.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20649583
Note: Update record, 8 December 2012 Last updated at 21:15 GMT
Jimbuna
12-10-12, 04:03 PM
:hmmm:I hear them every day here....
No doubt :):03:
The Israeli military has raided the West Bank offices of three Palestinian non-governmental organisations.
One of the groups, Addameer, said troops had entered its premises in Ramallah at 03:00 (01:00 GMT) and confiscated laptops and a video camera.
The office was "destroyed" and filing cabinets "ransacked", it added.
The Israeli military said the NGOs were linked to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), which Israel considers a terrorist group.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20679199
Note,Update record, 11 December 2012 Last updated at 17:21 GMT
Jimbuna
12-12-12, 02:50 PM
People in glass houses shouln't throw stones.
People in glass houses shouln't throw stones. So true!
Jimbuna
12-12-12, 02:55 PM
Aye
soopaman2
12-12-12, 09:32 PM
Hard to tell who the badguy is.
I would be mad if I lost my land because a bunch of palefaced Euros and Americans split my land up, even if we had no bad doings during WW2.
Yeah, I do not blame them for hating the west, or trying to kill the Jewish invaders.
Germans messed up, not the Palistinians,
Maybe Germany should give the jews the land out of their own, rather than pillaging someone who had nothing to do with anything during the war.
I love how Germany is held responsible, yet never gave up anything.
Now it is Americas problem 60-70 years later, and Germany is free to take over Europe again with Euros rather than Panzers.
How about you give the Jews their own land out of your own, instead of dragging what "was" a neutral party into it.
Oh treaty of Versaille was too hard on them the first time, so we punish the arabs instead?
Pure rascism, and that is coming from a white guy.
Allies are scum in this, not just Germans, no misunderstanding intended.
(see what the arabs think? That is reasonable, they did nothing wrong to lose their land, yet others did everything they could to take others land, and kept their own upon defeat)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20706226
Note: update record, 12 December 2012 Last updated at 22:30 GMT
Jimbuna
12-13-12, 04:25 AM
Could have happened in many a country with an armed police force.
Skybird
12-13-12, 06:24 AM
Hard to tell who the badguy is.
I would be mad if I lost my land because a bunch of palefaced Euros and Americans split my land up, even if...
(...)
...they could to take others land, and kept their own upon defeat)
Geht's noch....?
Penguin
12-13-12, 08:31 AM
Hard to tell who the badguy is.
I would be mad if I lost my land because a bunch of palefaced Euros and Americans split my land up, even if we had no bad doings during WW2.
Yeah, I do not blame them for hating the west, or trying to kill the Jewish invaders.
Germans messed up, not the Palistinians,
Maybe Germany should give the jews the land out of their own, rather than pillaging someone who had nothing to do with anything during the war.
I love how Germany is held responsible, yet never gave up anything.
Now it is Americas problem 60-70 years later, and Germany is free to take over Europe again with Euros rather than Panzers.
How about you give the Jews their own land out of your own, instead of dragging what "was" a neutral party into it.
Oh treaty of Versaille was too hard on them the first time, so we punish the arabs instead?
Pure rascism, and that is coming from a white guy.
Allies are scum in this, not just Germans, no misunderstanding intended.
(see what the arabs think? That is reasonable, they did nothing wrong to lose their land, yet others did everything they could to take others land, and kept their own upon defeat)
*sigh* ok, I'll bite:
So according to your argumentation it is ok for native Americans to hate you or to try to kill you, as you are one of those pale-faced inavaders. Is it also ok for them to kill brown-skinned Americans? What about black Americans whose ancestors came over mostly involuntarily?
How many generations is it ok to moan about borders, when is the time to stick up with reality?
I'm asking, because we have the 5th or even 6th generation of Palestinians who call themsleves refugees. I am 2nd gen refugee by this definition, as my mom was forced to leave the land. Land that Germany did not lose after WW2, as it "never gave up anything" according to your view. Maybe us Eurotrash is just used that maps change, they did so all the centuries. And my grandparents were heart-broken that they had to leave their soil, but they never hated the people who live there now, they hate the governments that were responsible for this.
According to my calendar the jewish effort to create a nation state in Israel started also long before Hitler rose to power or the Versailles' treaty.
And if you are peed off about the US aid to Israel, well that's indeed your internal problem, the US voters did elect a party that supports it. You might also want to check out about the amount of US foreign aid to Arab nations before claiming one-sided support.
Grüße aus Deutschland, off to fuel my Euro-Panzer
Penguin
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20717171
Jimbuna
12-13-12, 07:00 PM
:)Ping pong...everything is up for grabs
Hard to tell who the badguy is.
I would be mad if I lost my land because a bunch of palefaced Euros and Americans split my land up, even if we had no bad doings during WW2.
Yeah, I do not blame them for hating the west, or trying to kill the Jewish invaders.
Germans messed up, not the Palistinians,
Maybe Germany should give the jews the land out of their own, rather than pillaging someone who had nothing to do with anything during the war.
I love how Germany is held responsible, yet never gave up anything.
Now it is Americas problem 60-70 years later, and Germany is free to take over Europe again with Euros rather than Panzers.
How about you give the Jews their own land out of your own, instead of dragging what "was" a neutral party into it.
Oh treaty of Versaille was too hard on them the first time, so we punish the arabs instead?
Pure rascism, and that is coming from a white guy.
Allies are scum in this, not just Germans, no misunderstanding intended.
(see what the arabs think? That is reasonable, they did nothing wrong to lose their land, yet others did everything they could to take others land, and kept their own upon defeat)
Das is fantastisch.
Vulture spying for Israel' caught in Sudan
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9734674/Vulture-spying-for-Israel-caught-in-Sudan.html
Jimbuna
12-14-12, 04:49 PM
Israeli officials have acknowledged that the bird, which can fly up to 375 miles a day, had been tagged with Israeli equipment but insisted it was being used to study migration patterns.
Sounds plausible to me.
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