Have either of the megamods been updated in the last year?

[treblesum81]

I'm coming back to SH4 after a break (and a full system reformat) and looking to install a megamod. In the past, I've never really found much reason to love one more than the other, so I'm wondering if either has had any updates in the last year which would make it a better choice this time around.

Thanks

[Sailor Steve]

Either? There are five that I'm aware of.

[AOTD_MadMax]

I'm coming back to SH4 after a break (and a full system reformat) and looking to install a megamod. In the past, I've never really found much reason to love one more than the other, so I'm wondering if either has had any updates in the last year which would make it a better choice this time around.

Thanks

Iam working on FOTRS V2.0 and i hope ia can finish my work soon as possible ( Januar/Februar ).

Regards

Maddy

[Webster]

most of the big mods had many revisions already in the past and havent had new version updates in over a year and "should" be considered as final versions until its advertised otherwise.

i say this because from the comments that i've read, the modders who created them are pretty satisfied with them as they are.

im glad to see FOTRS is planning a new update and while i havent done it yet i do have plans to give GFO an update at some point but nothing is definate on when that might happen.

[treblesum81]

I guess this is an indication of how far behind the times I am: I really only thought there were TMO and RFB.

[treblesum81]

Here is an expansion of this question: As I look through a lot of the available mods, it seems like many are designed to work with RFB + RSRDC, but very few mention compatibility with TMO + RSRDC or any other megamod for that matter. Is this to be taken as an indication that a lot of modders have gravitated towards RFB + RSRDC rather than the alternatives? I am fairly adept at shoehorning mods into other mods, but its been a long time since I've messed with the files in an SH4 folder, so I'm not super keen on picking a megamod that's going to force me to refresh my modding skills just to play with the mods I want...

[Encrusted_Garlic]

Here is an expansion of this question: As I look through a lot of the available mods, it seems like many are designed to work with RFB + RSRDC, but very few mention compatibility with TMO + RSRDC or any other megamod for that matter. Is this to be taken as an indication that a lot of modders have gravitated towards RFB + RSRDC rather than the alternatives? I am fairly adept at shoehorning mods into other mods, but its been a long time since I've messed with the files in an SH4 folder, so I'm not super keen on picking a megamod that's going to force me to refresh my modding skills just to play with the mods I want...

This is simply my own opinion but i think people gravitate toward modding RSRD in particular due to the fact that its more singularly focused on the campaign etc.. leaving the Interface, most sounds and the environment to be changed with less impact on the existing mod... The others change all these aspects if i am not mistaken. Like webster said as well, most creators see these mods as finished... that being said, it would be hard for someone else try and improve what these guys have already done to be really honest. They are all pretty superb and when people do mod them it is usually for personal taste or ease of gaming (color changes to environment and replacing contact icons etc).

[treblesum81]

This is simply my own opinion but i think people gravitate toward modding RSRD in particular due to the fact that its more singularly focused on the campaign etc.. leaving the Interface, most sounds and the environment to be changed with less impact on the existing mod... The others change all these aspects if i am not mistaken. Like webster said as well, most creators see these mods as finished... that being said, it would be hard for someone else try and improve what these guys have already done to be really honest. They are all pretty superb and when people do mod them it is usually for personal taste or ease of gaming (color changes to environment and replacing contact icons etc).

My problem is that I have a tendency to add a bunch of the non-included, yet still useful mods like SCAF, Easy AOB, or some of the modern subs to have some less realistic fun. While a lot of these do make efforts to be compatible with TMO and RFB, I'm still seeing a lot more "Designed using RFB + RSRDC" right now than TMO.

[Armistead]

Here is an expansion of this question: As I look through a lot of the available mods, it seems like many are designed to work with RFB + RSRDC, but very few mention compatibility with TMO + RSRDC or any other megamod for that matter. Is this to be taken as an indication that a lot of modders have gravitated towards RFB + RSRDC rather than the alternatives? I am fairly adept at shoehorning mods into other mods, but its been a long time since I've messed with the files in an SH4 folder, so I'm not super keen on picking a megamod that's going to force me to refresh my modding skills just to play with the mods I want...

I see more mods designed for TMO, certainly more recent mods.

[treblesum81]

I see more mods designed for TMO, certainly more recent mods.

Maybe I'm just looking at the older versions of the mods I used to like? Seems like first posts don't get updated much anymore and there might be some updates buried in the pages of the thread.

[Encrusted_Garlic]

Maybe I'm just looking at the older versions of the mods I used to like? Seems like first posts don't get updated much anymore and there might be some updates buried in the pages of the thread.

TMO 2.5 was released almost 2yrs ago if i am not mistaken... The last RFB and OpMon were updated in 2010 it looks like, and RSRD and GFO in 2009.... I guess it has been a while... longer than i thought anyhow. Im almost 100% positive that they have been updated in the downloads section as well as wherever else they are posted to the most recent patches. I dont think you need to go digging or anything.

[Sailor Steve]

I'm not sure of the status of the others, but TMO was the sole work of Ducimus, and he flatly refuses to work on mods anymore, due to experiences with his last attempt. There may be small mods designed to work with TMO, but don't expect to see a new update, ever.

[Webster]

to the question of RFB and TMO i think more people have gravitated to TMO and are not as keen on RFB. TMO is just a more refined and smoother running mod IMHO.

the thing with RSRDC is it was already a little old before the final versions of TMO and RFB so it was kinda just "tweaked" to keep up with some of the changes but many feel it would have been fantastic to get a truely updated version of RSRDC before the creator left it as finished but sadly that never happened.

a lot of mods dont really get into compatability until you dig into the mod description so it isnt as easy as it used to be to tell by the names if a mod is TMO compatable.

RFB has the destintion of NOT being other mod friendly and have constant CTD if non-compatable mods are added. mods that would work for it will usually NOT work without it so they are special made for RFB and therefore get an easy to identify name saying its a RFB mod.

like RFB, FOTRS is NOT other mod friendly and has its own built in campaign so RSRDC is not needed and should NOT be used with it. it is even more sensative to being altered in any way because it was designed to be a whole mod needing nothing else with it so very few mods will work with it and if you use that mod DONT use any mods with it unless they specifically say they are made for FOTRS

[treblesum81]

to the question of RFB and TMO i think more people have gravitated to TMO and are not as keen on RFB. TMO is just a more refined and smoother running mod IMHO.

the thing with RSRDC is it was already a little old before the final versions of TMO and RFB so it was kinda just "tweaked" to keep up with some of the changes but many feel it would have been fantastic to get a truely updated version of RSRDC before the creator left it as finished but sadly that never happened.

a lot of mods dont really get into compatability until you dig into the mod description so it isnt as easy as it used to be to tell by the names if a mod is TMO compatable.

RFB has the destintion of NOT being other mod friendly and have constant CTD if non-compatable mods are added. mods that would work for it will usually NOT work without it so they are special made for RFB and therefore get an easy to identify name saying its a RFB mod.

like RFB, FOTRS is NOT other mod friendly and has its own built in campaign so RSRDC is not needed and should NOT be used with it. it is even more sensative to being altered in any way because it was designed to be a whole mod needing nothing else with it so very few mods will work with it and if you use that mod DONT use any mods with it unless they specifically say they are made for FOTRS

Thanks for the detailed info. I think based on this, I'll stick with the TMO + RSRDC for compatibility and game performance.

[Sailor Steve]

RFB has the destintion of NOT being other mod friendly and have constant CTD if non-compatable mods are added. mods that would work for it will usually NOT work without it so they are special made for RFB and therefore get an easy to identify name saying its a RFB mod.
You know, that could explain a few things...

[Webster]

You know, that could explain a few things...


i tried doing a few of my mods to be RFB compatable but i soon found there were things he did with the files in that mod that redirect some of the files that get used so with modding the files sometimes certain things dont show up only to find its because different files are being used.

there are also some other things going on i wont get into but lets just say RFB changes the way files are used in the game so modders must use RFB files to make mods for RFB or you will get CTD and other issues.

[Encrusted_Garlic]

i tried doing a few of my mods to be RFB compatable but i soon found there were things he did with the files in that mod that redirect some of the files that get used so with modding the files sometimes certain things dont show up only to find its because different files are being used.

there are also some other things going on i wont get into but lets just say RFB changes the way files are used in the game so modders must use RFB files to make mods for RFB or you will get CTD and other issues.

Ahhhhh.... here I was thinking I just really sucked at modding!! :) I tried doing stuff with RFB and no matter how much i tried or how deep i went there always seemed to be something wrong or out of line.... weird anomalies and so on... that would make sense as to way, i saw that files were redirected but had no clue as to how deeply it was altered.... thanks webster, i dont feel so bad now :)

[aanker]

I'm coming back to SH4 after a break (and a full system reformat) and looking to install a megamod. In the past, I've never really found much reason to love one more than the other, so I'm wondering if either has had any updates in the last year which would make it a better choice this time around.

Thanks
I made a crude patch for TMO 2.5 in March 2012 that does away with the Tambor class (or T-class) glitch and may be helpful:

1_TMO_25_small_patch.rar
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=3506

Happy Hunting!

Art

[Encrusted_Garlic]

I made a crude patch for TMO 2.5 in March 2012 that does away with the Tambor class (or T-class) glitch and may be helpful:

1_TMO_25_small_patch.rar
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=3506

Happy Hunting!

Art

Hey, I was looking at that mod earlier... could you give a bit more detail on what it actually does.... the download description and even the quote from decimus elude to things but dont actually say what it is patching\fixing....

[aanker]

Hey, I was looking at that mod earlier... could you give a bit more detail on what it actually does.... the download description and even the quote from decimus elude to things but dont actually say what it is patching\fixing....
There is a glitch in TMO 2.5 that gives you a Tambor class because of the Terrible T campaign. USS Tuna had a proud war record for example so I am not knocking the Tambor class.

However when you have patrolled in a more advanced GATO class boat for a few patrols, return to base and get offered a new command, you may be expecting a BALAO and become confused when you get an older TAMBOR class instead.

The patch changes that so with satisfactory patrols the progression of new commands in a Career is into newer boats.

Happy Hunting!

Art

Oh yeah - Ducimus didn't endorse this, nor did he object, nor did he want to do it at the time... lol. So, I did it because he has done so much to improve SH4 (and I assume SH5 too ) and is probably wore out. :)

[aanker]

Oh - to your main question - with TMO 2.5 you get historically accurate surface and submerged speeds and ranges and other tweaks.

No more 9 knot patrols - Standard speed is (rough guess) 12 - 15 knots and approx 10,000 - 12,000+ nm surfaced and approx 100 nm submerged at 2+ knots. You'll run out of breathable air and battery at about the same time.

He made a lot of improvements in 2.5 then called it quits. Can't blame him for that - all by himself he put together an outstanding super-mod!

Happy Hunting!

[Encrusted_Garlic]

Oh - to your main question - with TMO 2.5 you get historically accurate surface and submerged speeds and ranges and other tweaks.

No more 9 knot patrols - Standard speed is (rough guess) 12 - 15 knots and approx 10,000 - 12,000+ nm surfaced and approx 100 nm submerged at 2+ knots. You'll run out of breathable air and battery at about the same time.

He made a lot of improvements in 2.5 then called it quits. Can't blame him for that - all by himself he put together an outstanding super-mod!

Happy Hunting!

I agree, for one person it is very impressive.... hell, for 5 people it would have been impressive...

Thank you so much for answering that question, I wanted to ask in the proper place on your download page but honestly forgot, saw you on here so i figured i would ask..... good idea as far as the mod, im going to use it now.