Progressive Liberalism is a Mental Dissorder (merged)

[AVGWarhawk]

I'll ask again: What do you think of the use of Third Reich military symbols by people on this website, and by the playing of games where the object is to kill Allied troops and sailors? Are they promoting Hitler's Nazi state or are they observing a historical occurence?

You were just complaining that no one ever 'debates you straight up'. Well, you have me doing just that, but you constantly change the subject. You provided no answer to my post regarding currency devaluation, and you seem intent on doing the same here.

Dissect his answer:

I play sh3 and fly the FW 190 in IL2 at hyperlobby but of course I shower afterwards

He does not approve 100% and finds some disgust in it hence the shower to wash the filth of the Reich when finished playing SH3 and flying a FW190.

then I play sh4 and get a good nights sleep
Seems to be ok with the American side of things. Good night sleep after playing SH4.

I don't know what to make of the rest of it. Not much of a discussion/answer either. :88)

[Jimbuna]

@Tak: good luck!

More like mission impossible :hmm2:

[AVGWarhawk]

More like mission impossible :hmm2:


Never!!!!

http://backseatcuddler.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/tom-cruise-mission-impossible-3.jpg

[August]

Tom Cruise is a no talent wannabe. The real IMF team were these folks:

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=4586450296112971&id=c28d498f751f656e730c68e381f2eae2

[AVGWarhawk]

You are making me feel ancient. I watched these folks many moons ago...

[Jimbuna]

Me too...."This tape will self destruct in five seconds":

http://www.hark.com/clips/ncqqdqvhps-this-tape-will-self-destruct-in-5-seconds

[nikimcbee]

Never!!!!
http://cdn.theatlanticwire.com/img/upload/2012/06/29/tom-cruise-oprah-winfrey-thumb.jpg



Fixed

[August]

You are making me feel ancient. I watched these folks many moons ago...

I watched them a couple days ago on MeTV. They used a cat to retrieve a jade statue from a bad guys vault. Is that cool or what?

[Jimbuna]

I watched them a couple days ago on MeTV. They used a cat to retrieve a jade statue from a bad guys vault. Is that cool or what?

You cannot be serious!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekQ_Ja02gTY

[yubba]

I'll ask again: What do you think of the use of Third Reich military symbols by people on this website, and by the playing of games where the object is to kill Allied troops and sailors? Are they promoting Hitler's Nazi state or are they observing a historical occurence?

You were just complaining that no one ever 'debates you straight up'. Well, you have me doing just that, but you constantly change the subject. You provided no answer to my post regarding currency devaluation, and you seem intent on doing the same here.
I don't find any thing wrong with this website it is pretty historical and why do you find the need to add more to the the first question,,?? do you put your kids in these symbols and parade them around ??? ,, and why can't these schools be promoting American Occurences,, and why do you hate America and what it stands for ???? Was the music teacher observing a histoical occurence which was in pretty bad taste or was he promoting his own agenda or the governments since the schools get government money...?????? Guess what I got too take another shower. So did you ever answer my question about De value ing our money I didn't scroll back. Oh that right I see you live in Pa how many coal fire power plants are slated to close in the comeing months..???

[Takeda Shingen]

I don't find any thing wrong with this website it is pretty historical and why do you need to add more to the the first question,,??

Because you miss the point.
So, if Jim is not promoting Mein Kampf by his display of the the U-boot Kriegsabzeichen, then perhaps this director is not promoting Soviet Socialism.

do you put your kids in these symbols and parade them around ??? ,, and why can't these schools be promoting American Occurences,,

What if the school put on a production of Les Miserables? In regard to American occurences, from your own article:

Besides, she explained, “in 2008 we did an entire show on freedom.”

and why do you hate America and what it stands for ????

Where did I indicate that that I hate America? Stop trying to change the subject.

Was the music teacher observing a histoical occurence which was in pretty bad taste or promoting his own agenda..??????

If he was putting on the show, I would say that he was observing a historical occurence. If he was putting on a show and distributing copies of the Communist Manifesto, then I'd say he was promoting an agenda. Do you have any proof that he was doing the latter?

Guess what I got too take another shower. So did you ever answer my question about De value ing our money I didn't scroll back.

And there is your problem. You never respond. You always try to change the subject when challenged. That's why you posted this whole school band thing in the first place. You are right, yubba: No one can fight you straight up. But that is because you are always running away.

[yubba]

I didn't miss any point, you got my answer and you didn't like it. This is a website of history and simuilations,and like I said I don't have a problem with it but, in light of our public school system I bet most of those kids didn't know what really happened in the russian revolution and if they didn't know they were un wittingly used, hell I bet half of them can't find their way home on their own ,,..So what are they teaching kids now a days it certainly is not american history,,.???. maybe it's capitalism you got a problem with. Refresh my memory,, what did you have to say about the reason for {de value ing } our money ????? So what am I promoting when I slam a zero into the side of an american carrier,,or when I blast the living hell out a B17 with a long nose fw 190 ??????

[Takeda Shingen]

I didn't miss any point, you got my answer and you didn't like it. This is a website of history and simuilations,, and in light of our public school system I bet most of those kids didn't know what really happened in the russian revolution and if they did I don't think they would have took part in it, so you condoom using children to promote your agenda.,, hell I bet half of them can't find their way home on their own ,,..

I'll ask again: Do you have any proof that an agenda is being promoted? Stop running, yubba. I'm not going to hurt you.

EDIT: Forced because you keep editing your post.

So what are they teaching kids now a days it certainly is not american history,,.. maybe it's capitalism you got a problem with.

Trying to redefine the argument via ad hominems? Weak.

Refresh my memory what did you have to say about the reason for {de value ing } our money ?????

Go back a few pages and read it yourself.

EDIT 2:
So what am I promoting when I slam a zero into the side of an american carrier,,or I blast the living hell out a B17 with a long nose fw 190 ??????

Or play a song. Or display a symbol. See where we're going with this? Your game is not trying to indoctrinate you. And neither is a marching band field show.

[yubba]

What would you say about a website that contains Third Reich military symbols and music while playing games that center around sinking Allied warships?
Here is your orginal question. I answered it, you didn't like what I said,, true or false ??
Then you started to add to it,, True or False ??? ,,
So explain how the same question of one sentence grew to half a page.

[Takeda Shingen]

Here is your orginal question. I answered it, you didn't like what I said,, true or false ??
Then you started to add to it,, True or False ??? ,,
So explain how the same question of one sentence grew to half a page.

Read post No. 103, please. And no, I am not letting you run away this time. :D

[yubba]

Read post No. 103, please. And no, I am not letting you run away this time. :D i found it was buried, not much of an answer but I'll read it later.

[Takeda Shingen]

i found it was buried, not much of an answer but I'll read it later.

You've concluded that it's not much of an answer before you even read the information found in the link. Nice. And you still have not addressed anything from post No. 103.

[yubba]

Or play a song. Or display a symbol. See where we're going with this? Your game is not trying to indoctrinate you. And neither is a marching band field show.[/QUOTE]
are you sure?????

[Takeda Shingen]

are you sure?????

Yes. Unless there is the dissemination of material, then there is no indoctrination. A cigar is, thus, just a cigar. Otherwise, playing the 1812 Overture becomes a celebration of Tzarist Russia and Les Miserables becomes an ode to the violence of the French Revolution.

[yubba]

I'm sorry I'm losing half what I written in the last 4 posts, well you laid a good trap, I was trying to say it should have been said it was my opinion,, that it was a premediated agenda by whom we'll find out, I always do.
But you missed the point it's not us or this site or what we put on our subs, or what we fly, but what are they teaching our kids,, that communism is a warm fuzzy little bunny..We know what happened in the past,,, our kids don't.. I'm glad you gave me time to think...that's what the big difference is,, if our kids don't know what happened in the past then they don't know right from wrong and that is a problem and,,then someone is responsible .... so run rabbit run. If this happened 20 years,, ago,, scratch that it wouldn't have happened 20 years ago

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm sorry I'm losing half what I written in the last 2 posts, well you laid a good trap, I was trying to say it should have been said it was my opinion it was a premediated agenda by whom we'll find out, I always do.

No trap, just straight-up argument.

[yubba]

So why do find the need to cut and edit my quotes, one would think you work for the network media..

[yubba]

I'm sorry I'm losing half what I written in the last 4 posts, well you laid a good trap, I was trying to say it should have been said it was my opinion,, that it was a premediated agenda by whom we'll find out, I always do.
But you missed the point it's not us or this site or what we put on our subs, or what we fly, but what are they teaching our kids,, that communism is a warm fuzzy little bunny..We know what happened in the past,,, our kids don't.. I'm glad you gave me time to think...that's what the big difference is,, if our kids don't know what or understand what happened in the past then they don't know right from wrong and that is a problem and,,then someone is responsible .... so run rabbit run. If this happened 20 years,, ago,, scratch that it wouldn't have happened 20 years ago.
It should have looked like this,, now it is shower time, I do live for the arguement it's to bad I loose so much in typing ... I should get that voice type application you wouldn't stand a chance. it probably look like this, *((($#@) #@& *(^$ !@@#$%( ^%$*)@

[August]

Yes. Unless there is the dissemination of material, then there is no indoctrination.

I'm sure there were at least scripts written for this abortion.

I agree with the parents. Whoever came up with this idea ought not to be teaching our children. At very least someone ought to educate the children on the very bloody history behind what they were singing and dancing about.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes. Unless there is the dissemination of material, then there is no indoctrination. A cigar is, thus, just a cigar. Otherwise, playing the 1812 Overture becomes a celebration of Tzarist Russia and Les Miserables becomes an ode to the violence of the French Revolution.

But is appropriate at a HS football game? Best left to the HS theater company?

[Takeda Shingen]

So why do find the need to cut and edit my quotes, one would think you work for the network media..

I don't cut and edit. You post, I reply and then you edit all your other stuff in. To be honest, it's not fair.

I agree with the parents. Whoever came up with this idea ought not to be teaching our children. At very least someone ought to educate the children on the very bloody history behind what they were singing and dancing about.

But is appropriate at a HS football game? Best left to the HS theater company?

And I agree with those sentiments. While I don't feel that there was indoctrination taking place, I would not have included all of the symbols of the Soviet Union. Much like the way that the swastika is muted with the more honorable Iron Cross in our simulations, one can mute the Hammer and Sickle with the Red Star and still achieve effect.

Not having seen the field show, nor being familiar with the teacher and the program, I can't say if the history of the Bolshevik Revolution was covered. I would hope it was, but if I remember my days of running a marching band program, most of the details of what the show is 'about' gets lots in the day-to-day details of rehearsal. Les Miserables was our theme one year, and to my shame I don't think that we ever really covered the show itself nor the book that it was based upon. It ended up just being music that we played; pretty much devoid of context and meaning. A failing on my part more than anything, but the climate of band competitions in Pennsylvania tends to force one to concentrate more on scoring and results than actual education. This was a big reason for my leaving high school education.

[yubba]

I'm sure there were at least scripts written for this abortion.

I agree with the parents. Whoever came up with this idea ought not to be teaching our children. At very least someone ought to educate the children on the very bloody history behind what they were singing and dancing about.
If they would have done some mock executions at the end then it would have been more accurate,, I'm all about the realism..

[yubba]

I'm sorry I'm losing half what I written in the last 4 posts, well you laid a good trap, I was trying to say it should have been said it was my opinion,, that it was a premediated agenda by whom we'll find out, I always do.
But you missed the point it's not us or this site or what we put on our subs, or what we fly, but what are they teaching our kids,, that communism is a warm fuzzy little bunny..We know what happened in the past,,, our kids don't.. I'm glad you gave me time to think...that's what the big difference is,, if our kids don't know what happened in the past then they don't know right from wrong and that is a problem and,,then someone is responsible .... so run rabbit run. If this happened 20 years,, ago,, scratch that it wouldn't have happened 20 years ago
that's was all one piece of course I fixed spelling or I would have gigged you see it hasn't been editted and there was some weird things going on, like I stated above so I'll give you the benefit of the dought.

[AVGWarhawk]

If they would have done some mock executions at the end then it would have been more accurate,, I'm all about the realism..

That would fly like a lead balloon. :haha:

[soopaman2]

That would fly like a lead balloon. :haha:

Ask Led Zep how well those things fly. ;)


Stories vary, but basically Keith Moon told Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones that their new project would go over like a lead balloon, hence, Led Zeppelin. The 'Led' spelling was to make sure people pronounced the name right.

Taken from:
http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/music0_name.html

[Oberon]

If they would have done some mock executions at the end then it would have been more accurate,, I'm all about the realism..

I presume that marching bands also do mock massacres for the American revolutionary war? Or do they leave Gnadenhutten out? Does an actor playing Cornstalk come in during the piece and get murdered whilst on a diplomatic mission? Those hung in Philadelphia when the American forces recaptured it, like John Roberts III, are they represented too?

No? :hmmm:

[yubba]

I hardly know about that and I know kids today couldn't even tell us if we ever had a revolution and I bet they couldn't say with who. The town of Horseheads is pretty close to my home town and Painted Post is closer in Stueben County but not Horseheads that's in Chemung County. Heck Oberon that was over 200 years ago and you are still holding a grudge..

[soopaman2]

Yubba? As an ex-professional troll, and actually being goaded by you a few times, I award you the ultimate honor.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f259/Soopaman2/Hahaha-1.jpg

Use this card with care. It is an instant I win Button!

This is my last one, I am giving you mine. Use it wisely.:D

Much love, I always appreciate someone who can provoke discussion.

(don't take it wrong, I am complimenting you)

[Oberon]

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1230/u1725502678587.jpg

Besides, we're British, we have long memories and lots of experience playing the bad guys in American movies. :yep:

[soopaman2]

Besides, we're British, we have long memories and lots of experience playing the bad guys in American movies. :yep:

Better to play them, than to be them.

Russians are the ultimate bad guys in American movies. :O: At least the crap I grew up on.

We love our British friends, who bore us in her image.

We forgive you for burning our capitol. Don't let it happen again. ;)

[August]

A Zeppelin is more than a balloon... :yep:

[Oberon]

Better to play them, than to be them.

Russians are the ultimate bad guys in American movies. :O: At least the crap I grew up on.

We love our British friends, who bore us in her image.

We forgive you for burning our capitol. Don't let it happen again. ;)

And we love our American children, although you do confuse us sometimes...but let's face it, what parent has not been confused by their offspring at some point in their lives?

Russians are good bad guys, but for pure mustache twirling villainry, you can't go much better than the German accent. :yep:

[soopaman2]

Has to be a culture thing.

Although Russian and German languages both sound "angry" to a western ear.

The Russians wanted to nuke us, and us them.

The Germans tried to bend you over, but you shot then out of the sky, then got em back, thanks to some pals.

The Germans were diabolical, but the Russians had nukes!:D

No love lost, past is the past, I love my Russian and German friends.
(not like any nation is exempt from such behavior)

Red Dawn is the best unintentional comedy ever based on the cold war.

RIP Patrick Swayze.

(edit: I would love to see a Russian based movie, where we were the "jerks")
I bet it would be just as hilarious.

[yubba]

But in defense of the educrats, superintendent for the Conewago Valley School District Rebecca Harbaugh says they once put on a show celebrating freedom. I guess these will be the shows that we will see in the re-education camps.
http://moonbattery.com/New-Oxford-High-School-Marching-Band.jpg

[Onkel Neal]

Nine pages? Seriously? :huh:

[Dowly]

Nah, we're just kidding. :O:

[Tribesman]

Nine pages? Seriously? :huh:

If Middletons titmouse can rack up thousands of views surely this joke can build up to hundreds of replies

[yubba]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/video-shows-dem-ny-state-sen-walking-off-stage-in-protest-during-anti-semitic-speech-at-ny-muslim-parade/ I have to give credit where credit is due..:salute:

[Stealhead]

A state senator from New York City more like he showed up in the hopes of getting votes and then realized that he was going to loose votes if he stayed.He lacked the nerve to say why he left as well and that makes his action meaningless maybe he had very bad diarrhea or the sudden urge to convert to Islam he said that he was very upset but not what had upset him for all we know
he may have converted to their cause.

He should have checked up on who was going to show up and who what was going to spoken about before he agreed to show up himself.That guy did not display a spine he displayed that he is the typical politician.

That being said according to the Constitution the people present had the right to say what they want even if most Americans do not agree with it.

[yubba]

Read it and weep tribes , now our kids are standing up,, in the lunch rooms across the country against this mental dissorder are you going to stand with them.????? I'm just trying to reach your inner yubba ,, ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommm.

[HunterICX]

If Middletons titmouse can rack up thousands of views surely this joke can build up to hundreds of replies

Touché...

HunterICX

[yubba]

Here's a free civics lesson for ya,,, governments don't have rights, they have powers granted to them by their individual citizens. Individuals have pre-existing rights that do not come from governments, but should be respected by them nonetheless. I got this piece out of a article from the American Rifleman mag Oct 2012. If you don't believe the above then you got a mental dissorder. Damn that consitution and that pesky yubba.:woot:I read some of your responses on why they want do devalue our money,, pretty clinicial,, my opinion is that they want too destroy our wealth,, because wealth is power,,, and once we are broke,, they think they can move in on us and take our stuff and redistrabute it,, like I said that's my opinion,,,...

[Tribesman]

I read some of your responses on why they want do devalue our money,, pretty clinicial,, my opinion is that they want too destroy our wealth,, because wealth is power,,, and once we are broke,, they think they can move in on us and take our stuff and redistrabute it,, like I said that's my opinion,,,...

:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
did someone mention a mental disorder?

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
did someone mention a mental disorder?:yep: Interesting new form of schizophrenia which symptoms include compulsory reality denial and troubles with reading comprehension, hearing and vision.

[yubba]

Like what I heard for almost 2 weeks now,, it wasn't a terrorist attack it was the videos fault,, now it's just a bump in road before we go over the cliff,, tell that to the families of the dead.:down: Maybe now it's a terrorist attack,, but the feds came down on the movie maker for a probation violation man I feel so so much safer now.. If this isn't a mental dissorder then I don't know what too tell you. :doh::doh::doh: keep posting tribes I'd like to see this go over 2000 views tonight.

[soopaman2]

It will!

If i made thread titled Conservatism is a cancer upon society, then filled it with rhetoric against tea-publicans, and covert rascist agendas of the 53% who are so superior, it would draw just as many views.

Because you are following the Rupert Murdoch, yellow journalism idea.
My next thread title will be All black people are #&%%$#@. I bet it will fetch more views, regardless of the content.

Because headlines fetch all the attention, even if the content is found wanting.

[yubba]

It will!

If i made thread titled Conservatism is a cancer upon society, then filled it with rehetoric against tea-publicans, and covert rascist agendas of the 53% who are so superior, it would draw just as many views.

Because you are following the Rupert Murdoch, yellow journalism standard, where the headline sells the paper more than the content of the actual article.

My next thread title will be All black people are #&%%$#@. I bet it will fetch more views, regardless of the content.
Hey do it while it's still a free country, I'd like to see what the other side can bring to the table. I'll just leave my watch and wallet in another room, and draugh me nice bubble bath after I get done reading it.

[yubba]

Yeah,,, I'm thinkin the squirts too,,who would want to give up all those sexual postions by growing a spine.

[soopaman2]

Hey do it while it's still a free country, I'd like to see what the other side can bring to the table. I'll just leave my watch and wallet in another room, and draugh me nice bubble bath after I get done reading it.


I wish not to troll a site I donate to and respect with all my heart.. I save that crap for 4chan or something awful.

Whats your excuse?

You know I like you Yubba:), but this thread is pure trollery. (is that even a word? It should be.)

[Oberon]

Because headlines fetch all the attention, even if the content is found wanting.

QFT x over 9000

[yubba]

bringing it back from the depths..for no good reason

[Takeda Shingen]

QFT x over 9000

Oh my God I will insta-ban you if you resurect that meme.

[soopaman2]

Oh my God I will insta-ban you if you resurect that meme.

Not a Dragonball z kinda fella I take it? :D
(please don't ban me, I am only lightheartedly teasing) ;)

We lurves you more than mudkips Takeda :D

[Cybermat47]

It's really sad to see two muslims effectivley villanizing all the other, true muslims, who actually obey their bible when it tells them not to kill.

[Gerald]

Not a Dragonball z kinda fella I take it? :D
(please don't ban me, I am only lightheartedly teasing) ;)

We lurves you more than mudkips Takeda :D Tak,do not like the style, it'll be a bit sarcastic element with a mixed sense of humor, :hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

Yeah, I can't actually ban members. I can suspend posting and downloading privileges, but I cannot remove accounts and block IPs. Only Neal can do that. So, yes, it was a joke.

[soopaman2]

One of the guys who works with me sometimes is an arab-American Muslim. Second generation Iranian. Works harder than most of us

I asked him to be honest one day, and he told me that no god would ever wish death upon another for believing different

He said it was not humans place to judge it, and let god/allah do the judging.

True muslims want peace, hardcores look to the jihad passages, and ignore the peace and love that the quran has.

I am not a sympathizer by no means, but do not lump one into all.

Especially not based on press propaganda, that has taught us to hate them, to justify us getting our liberties taken away with the Patriot Act.

(edit: I wish I saw half the malice towards illegals here, as we do muslims in other countries) But external enemies are always better, ask any aspiring authoritarian.)

[yubba]

I wish not to troll a site I donate to and respect with all my heart.. I save that crap for 4chan or something awful.

Whats your excuse?

You know I like you Yubba:), but this thread is pure trollery. (is that even a word? It should be.)
Yes it's my most inner most trolls opinion,, with a whole lot of truth, it's the election cycle just pointing out who's more mental than the other. Your boy Obama has really got some issues, I'm just shedding some light on the progressives and having some fun. I welcome any progressive to come on and state his case, and tell us what's wrong with this country and what they plan to do too make it right, I for one would like to know what the plan is and where we are going....

[soopaman2]

They both got major issues Yubba, It is just in my opinion Obama will be less destructive than the other.

The 47%, and his Bain capital thing killed it for me.

I am content with an apologist who is not dangerous, and consistent, than a guy who made all his money from outsourcing, and dismantling companies, who flops depending on who he is talking to.

May the people speak, thats what makes us great, is despite the money in politics, it still comes down to us.:up:

[yubba]

I've worked the docks at Port Canaveral for 10 years I've made freinds from all over the world, all colors and cultures I don't have a problem with any,, except for the ones that want to kill me because I don't believe what they believe which I haven't met yet well maybe that x ole lady of mine,, I would have never thought that it would be my own country men that I would have too worry about.

[yubba]

What, less destructive than the last 4 years, well I guess if you have already broke every plate in the cabinet, and you can't break any more, I guess that would make you less destructive. The government done all the outsourcing and dismantling of companies through higher and higher taxes and regulations, I come from Corning New York,, most of my family worked Corning glass or Taylor wine, most of corning glass is now in mexico and taylor wine is closed, state cooperate taxes, fees, and regs, were the culprits,, Romney had nothing to do with that,, the government has destroyed more jobs than it has ever created, what good is clean air and clean water if you are straving or freezing to death,,,..Speaking of freezing,, 200 coal fire plants are closing in the the north east in the next couple of months and guess what Romney has nothing to do with it,, and remember when your taxes go up Romney had nothing to do with that either.

[soopaman2]

What less destructive than the last 4 years, well I guess if you already broke every plate in the cabinet, you can't break any more.


But you can sell the cabinet to China, like your boy?

Cha-ching, then put it in your Cayman island account and play stupid when tax time comes

[AVGWarhawk]

Need to read up on the outsourcing. Mitt and his company are not the pioneers of outsourcing as the Obama campaign likes to advertise.

[soopaman2]

I've worked the docks at Port Canaveral for 10 years I've made freinds from all over the world, all colors and cultures I don't have a problem with any,, except for the ones that want to kill me because I don't believe what they believe which I haven't met yet well maybe that x ole lady of mine,, I would have never thought that it would be my own country men that I would have too worry about.


It comes down to jealousy.

American Muslims see what we have, and see how we allow them free worship, and the right to speak against things in a peaceful way, and not be jailed. They also have thicker skin when someone draws Muhammed, because they know they have the same rights to draw Jesus sodomizing a donkey, or put a crucifix in a jar of urine, and not be tortured and killed.

Not saying they did such things, but we allow it.

Which their brethren back home cannot do, they are oppressed and use anger as thier release, where we use humor/shock here, because we are allowed to.

The muslim world really needs a sense of humor.

Jesus is a cool dude, and I can joke about him and still admire him.

Jesus walks into a holiday inn with 3 nails and says "can you put me up for the night?"

Anyone wish to behead me?

[yubba]

But you can sell the cabinet to China, like your boy?

Cha-ching, then put it in your Cayman island account and play stupid when tax time comes
Would you mine showing some proof,,a link would be good, documents, but they need to be noterized,,and have at least a 100 witnesses, I guess that will do it.. Wait till Obama care kicks in,, watch how many businesses fly out of this country, it will make what ever Romney did,, look a fart in a hurricane..

[soopaman2]

Would you mine showing some proof,,a link would be good, documents, but they need to be noterized,,and at least a 100 witnesses, I guess that will do it..

You sound like the birthers disputing O's birth certificate when he showed it.

(I am assuming satire here)

Yubba my friend, when all this is done we will still be Americans. God of your understanding bless your, sir.:salute:

[August]

But you can sell the cabinet to China, like your boy?

Cha-ching, then put it in your Cayman island account and play stupid when tax time comes


So basically what you're saying is that if you sell your house to foreigners it's your real estate agents fault?

[yubba]

GGGeeeeeeeezzzzzzz would you look at the time,, didn't get a flight in or sink a butt load of ships..

[soopaman2]

So basically what you're saying is that if you sell your house to foreigners it's your real estate agents fault?

Nice stretch.

I was painting a parrallel.

The other guy seems to like China.

I do not like the word twisting.

I am not saying one party or the other is complicit or not in this, I am simply looking at how Romney made his money..

But yeah nice attempt to twist my words.

Defend em no matter what, even my lefty ass trashes Obama...

Blind partisanism is so fun.

(I am going to vote my vote, and still respect who wins, will you righties be able to do that? Nope)

You haven't yet.

[soopaman2]

God still loves me no matter who I vote for.

You guys will too.

I am voting for.....

HR Puffinstuff.

Just kidding. I miss Bachman, why did you guys vote her out, do you understand how much comedy we missed out on? President Bachman and first lady Marcus, the gay whisperer

America truly needs a sense of humor.:)

Minnesota, re-elect her please, we lurve her like mudkipz.

[August]

But yeah nice attempt to twist my words.

Thanks but it's no nicer than the way you twist Romneys Chinese investments. Don't you think Americans should have the right to buy and sell stocks on the world market?

[soopaman2]

Thanks but it's no nicer than the way you twist Romneys Chinese investments. Don't you think Americans should have the right to buy and sell stocks on the world market?

At the cost of our jobs?:hmmm:

I always had you pegged as a patriot, but I guess money rules over the welfare of our citizens.

And liberals are diseased?

[Sailor Steve]

Anyone wish to behead me?
No, but I'm thinking about the comfy chair torture.

Or maybe sending you...to Detroit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVDDYQlmq0w

[August]

At the cost of our jobs?:hmmm:

Whose jobs? Nobody has a right to be given a job by another person. You, me, Romney or anyone else, even Obama, has a perfect right to invest their money anywhere in the world if they want, just like we all have the right to buy a set of dishes made in Taiwan or an automobile made in Germany. Yes I am an American patriot. I reject your idea that you have a right to control how I spend my hard earned money. Don't tread on me.

[soopaman2]

No, but I'm thinking about the comfy chair torture.

Or maybe sending you...to Detroit!

I am Italian-American, and a hell of a brawler. It takes more than Detroit to scare me!:D

Meth fiends in Washington State scare me more.

[soopaman2]

Whose jobs? Nobody has a right to be given a job by another person. You, me, Romney or anyone else, even Obama, has a perfect right to invest their money anywhere in the world if they want, just like we all have the right to buy a set of dishes made in Taiwan or an automobile made in Germany. Yes I am an American patriot. I reject your idea that you have a right to control how I spend my hard earned money. Don't tread on me.

Do what you want, and I will me.

Good day.:salute:

Just don't cry when the Niemoller happens to you.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Don't tread on me.

[August]

"Hey, lay off Detroit. Them people is going through Mad Max times."

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091028120519/simpsons/images/thumb/e/e0/1_Moe_Szyslak.png/250px-1_Moe_Szyslak.png

[soopaman2]

"Hey, lay off Detroit. Them people is going through Mad Max times."

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091028120519/simpsons/images/thumb/e/e0/1_Moe_Szyslak.png/250px-1_Moe_Szyslak.png

Nothing a "Flaming Homer *cough* Moe" won't fix.
:D
..

[CCIP]

I should also point out the logical flaw in the assumption that everyone deserves what they earn. If there's no ethical restrictions on how to spend the money, why should there be any on how it's earned? After all, if it's theirs, who cares...

(the real answer is that of course, most of that major investment money is earned by speculation, i.e. not actually earned at all in the first place)

[soopaman2]

So I don't come home sweaty and covered in dirt every day?

I know how I earn my money, not off the back of others, thats for sure.

Call me what you want, but I work for a living, not read the Wall Street Journal, and "bet" on a companys prosperity.

I work, unlike most. Yet I am still called a socialist demoncrat because I want everyone to have the chance I got. A fair wage, and a shot at the American dream. Despite my poor upbringing, I am a homeowner. Because I was given a chance.

[Stealhead]

It comes down to jealousy.

American Muslims see what we have, and see how we allow them free worship, and the right to speak against things in a peaceful way, and not be jailed. They also have thicker skin when someone draws Muhammed, because they know they have the same rights to draw Jesus sodomizing a donkey, or put a crucifix in a jar of urine, and not be tortured and killed.

Not saying they did such things, but we allow it.

Which their brethren back home cannot do, they are oppressed and use anger as thier release, where we use humor/shock here, because we are allowed to.

The muslim world really needs a sense of humor.

Jesus is a cool dude, and I can joke about him and still admire him.

Jesus walks into a holiday inn with 3 nails and says "can you put me up for the night?"

Anyone wish to behead me?

I dont think that they have to be an American Muslim in order to not be unreasonable we just hear about the bad ones on the news and therefore assume that they all feel they way if they come form X place.There are some very Zionist Jews in the US and Israel but most people do not assume that every Jew is a hard core Zionist or at least I don't.

There are good people and bad people everywhere the bad ones want you to see everyone of their kind the same way.

The thing that we forget in America is that we have freedom of the press and a huge amount of media sources to get information from.In some countries the government has the final say meaning anything that they see on TV or hear on the radio or read in a news paper it was approved by the government.
They dont fathom what that anyone can pump out what ever they want and our government doe not really care and has no desire to approve anything.

When the "crazy" ones hear about something another "crazy" has made they flip out because they assume that the US government surely must have sanctioned it.These people don't get any real education either so it should not be very surprising that they would trust a persons word especially if they are a religious leader.

I bet a pristine 1905 nickel that 99% of the guys protesting/rioting never even saw that movie and a good portion of them are also teenage and early 20's young men just looking for a reason to tear ass around they even said on the news that in Egypt they could hear the crowd yelling out football (soccer) chants.

Your Iranian co-worker is most likely either a Persian or a Lur not an Arab.If he is a Lur especially he will naturally have a fairly lax view about religion I'm half Lur myself on my mothers side and not a single family member is a big fan of organized religion they are either christian or muslim but mildly so. I have one cousin that is heavy into the crazy Pentecostal only praying heals illness though.


Myself I read both the bible and the koran(a translated copy) during basic training mostly out boredom I found both to be both equally entertaining and contradictory and I already knew real right from wrong so they did not teach me anything there either.I think it is funny when people truly believe that a burning bush spoke to a man and Mohammad sounds like perhaps he was
maybe a paranoid sycophantic he wanted to strike down the heathens and their false idols yet then he wants to pray towards a freaking rock they did not have psychotropic drugs back then sadly anyway I'm sure that he meant well.Then you have the Jews and muslims in love with same rock only not the same one that has the bling ass box around it and you are not required to pray towards it but you are supposed to kill the other dude that loves it because your cousins or something so they put a bling ass golden dome on top of it.

I am not insulting god Im just saying that people use the claim of his divine inspiration to control people by making thm fear that if they do not follow X way they go to hell but how can man know such things when he reads something written by another man.

[soopaman2]

I bet a pristine 1905 nickel that 99% of the guys protesting/rioting never even saw that movie and a good portion of them are also teenage and early 20's young men just looking for a reason to tear ass around they even said on the news that in Egypt they could hear the crowd yelling out football (soccer) chants.

Your Iranian co-worker is most likely either a Persian or a Lur not an Arab.If he is a Lur especially he will naturally have a fairly lax view about religion I'm half Lur myself on my mothers side and not a single family member is a big fan of organized religion they are either christian or muslim. I have one cousin that is heavy into the crazy Pentecostal only praying heals illness though.
Myself I read both the bible and the koran(a translated copy) during basic training mostly out boredom I found both to be both equally entertaining and contradictory and I already knew real right from wrong so they did not teach me anything there either.I think it is funny when people truly believe that a burning bush spoke to a man or that Mohammad sounds like perhaps he was
maybe a paranoid sycophantic.

I kinda chopped your post up. Pardon. Makes a good jumping off point.!

I agree most of them barely know what a TV is and did not see it, but were incited by local clerics. Using "suitable beliefs."

I also read the Quran, more out of curiosity, and see alot of passages related to Jihad, yet see alot of passages leading to judging people on their intentions.

They even acknowledge Jesus (esau) as a prophet, Abraham (IBRAHIM) is one of their biggest prophets, second only to Muhammad. Amazing they hate the Jews so much... They really are almost the same, except it is easier to become Muslim than jew.

Silly really, IMHO.

They are both semitic people.

As a religion Islam is not evil.

But the morons who do all the "interpreting" are stuck in the crusades.

Even Salahudin was tolerant (after he kicked our asses back to europe), and shared with the Christians. What is wrong with these guys?



I know, but I will spare you my rants.

My point of this post is that they are not evil people, as our government and media implies. (EDIT: more misguided, due to religious authorities dictating what goes, and doesn't)

Yeah Stealhead, he calls himself Persian. Good call.:)

[Tribesman]

Oh dear, some people are being reasonble. I can't see that lasting
How long till skybrd says all those muslims you are talking about are not real muslims and the hardcore jihadi passages are the only ones to follow while the only version of sharia is the one him and the taliban say it is?

[Tribesman]

The answer is out there, what this topic needs is some....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H40wUz-Fd8

[soopaman2]

Oh dear, some people are being reasonble. I can't see that lasting
How long till skybrd says all those muslims you are talking about are not real muslims and the hardcore jihadi passages are the only ones to follow while the only version of sharia is the one him and the taliban say it is?


It's a good thing not everyone is stupid enough to believe that.

Sure I call em Muzzies sometimes, but they are just people. Sure I mock their extremists, but they do not have differing media sites.

You read Fox, I read MSNBC (news sewers, I know) 2 skews of the same story, but I know I can crossover to another source, they have one source. What some mullah/imam tells them.

I can understand their jealousy and hatred, but that is up to them to change, not us, or anyone else.

Our will and wants is not absolute, NATO/UN is not god. (its a joke)

[August]

(the real answer is that of course, most of that major investment money is earned by speculation, i.e. not actually earned at all in the first place)

Except that it is earned. Investing in the stock market involves financial risk. More than one fortune has been wiped out by bad or ill timed investments. It's also the same risk that people are taking when they invest their 401k and pension plan money. Same tax rate too. If Obama wants to raise the tax on the money Mitt and the so called 1% are making he's going to have to raise it on every Americans retirement fund investments as well. That'll go over well.

[AVGWarhawk]

Lets not forget that the upstart company needs investors. The stock market is the tool used to keep account of what the individual invested. A company is built. Jobs created. Somehow working the stock market is a bad thing now? Lets see, MR company outsources and its a bad thing. If anyone else outsources its called a world economy. Painting a picture that MR is a pioneer in outsourcing is ridiculous. I wonder what it made Jobs look like with Apple's i-whatever manufactured in China? If I'm going to invest my money in The Little Giant Vacuum Company I would expect a return if the company does well. As August said, if you have a 401k you are in the markets. If you don't have a 401k or IRA I recommend you start one. Social Security is not enough to retire on.

[mookiemookie]

Ok then if returns on investment are socially responsible allocations of capital as you say, then why do they need to be incentivized with a lower tax rate? If it's honest work to invest in the stock market and earn a return, why is that work not taxed at the same rate of the income someone earns building bridges or healing children or anything else? Why is capital valued more than labor when both are equally needed for an economy to function? And don't go there with the "job creators" stuff - consumer demand creates jobs, not some guy with money burning a hole in his pocket. No one creates a job that demand doesn't call for.

And while it's true that the average American has a stake in the capital markets, you're thinking too theoretically. Look at it practically: how can you argue that the rules don't disproportionately favor the top 1% or 10% or whoever who actually takes home the vast majority of investment income? Can't find the exact figure, but something like 90% of the investment income in this country goes to the top 10%.

[AVGWarhawk]

Ok then if returns on investment are socially responsible allocations of capital as you say, then why do they need to be incentivized with a lower tax rate? If it's honest work to invest in the stock market and earn a return, why is that work not taxed at the same rate of the income someone earns building bridges or healing children or anything else? Why is capital valued more than labor when both are equally needed for an economy to function?

Lower tax incentives to get people to invest and start retirement accounts. Tax deferred. Early withdrawal a higher tax rate. Capital gains from stocks taxed at thle individuals tax rate. Interest on home loans as a write off yearly and incentive to purchase a home. So you believe investing is not honest work. With the dishonest investors then where would companies like GE and Ford be? Who said capital is valued more than labor? Sounds like you did. Why should the bridge builder company be taxed more than the laborer who built the bridge? Because they are the fat cats living off someone's back? Fine, as the laborer, go take the risk and start your own company. When you become successful you make pay more taxes. It's your patriotic duty.

The rules don't favor everyone. Get over it. The responsibilities of the company owner and the worker are not equally shared. The top 10% took the risk. They should not be rewarded? The common worker has the same opportunities to become the top 10%. Take a risk.

[mookiemookie]

Lower tax incentives to get people to invest and start retirement accounts. Tax deferred. Doesn't the fact that they're tax deferred provide the incentive?

So you believe investing is not honest work. Putting words in my mouth. Said no such thing.

Who said capital is valued more than labor? Sounds like you did The tax code did. Capital gains is taxed at a maximum of 15%. Earned income's top marginal tax rate is 35%. Since one is taxed more and one is taxed less, one is valued more and the other is valued less. I'll let you figure out which one's which.

Why should the bridge builder company be taxed more than the laborer who built the bridge? That's not the question. Don't mischaracterize the argument. The question is why should he be taxed less.

The rules don't favor everyone. Assuming you meant "anyone", the tax code would suggest otherwise.

Get over it. Touched a nerve?

The responsibilities of the company owner and the worker are not equally shared. To use your example - fat chance trying to use your money to build a bridge if you have no one to pour the concrete. Labor and capital are both needed equally to accomplish anything.

The common worker has the same opportunities to become the top 10%. Do they? Do we truly enjoy perfect social mobility?

[AVGWarhawk]

Doesn't the fact that they're tax deferred provide the incentive?

You bet'cha. It does for me and millions of Americans.

Putting words in my mouth. Said no such thing.


If it's honest work to invest in the stock market and earn a return,

This here would imply you see it as dishonest.

The tax code did. Capital gains is taxed at a maximum of 15%. Earned income's top marginal tax rate is 35%. Since one is taxed more and one is taxed less, one is valued more and the other is valued less. I'll let you figure out which one's which.

You forgot one thing...everyone has the opportunity to invest and enjoy capital gains at a maximum of 15%. It does not matter if the income earner is at 35%. Want to save on that 35%? Try the tax deferred 401K. Invest in a company, America and your retirement. It is after all, called the land of opportunity.


Touched a nerve?

Sure did because you sit and moan about taxes/rate of taxation. As if somehow you and everyone else can not invest or enjoy tax deferred 401k programs. The stock market is for people like Gordon Gecko only? The opportunity is there for everyone as stated above. The next tax return you receive, invest it. Take the risk. You have to start somewhere.

To use your example - fat chance trying to use your money to build a bridge if you have no one to pour the concrete. Labor and capital are both needed equally to accomplish anything.

You are a funny guy. Most companies, if not all, started with the owner pouring his own damn concrete and busting his ass 24/7 to make it work. Many of these guys, even with numerous employees, still get their hands dirty. My boss does. My brother does with his company. My wife's cousin does with his construction company. The list goes on.

Today is my day off. I'm a 1% and a 10%. I work all week, pay my 35%. Defer some of the taxes investing in my 401K. I donated to Subsim so you and I can spare over taxes for the next 365 days. I'm going to enjoy my weekend enjoying something else though.

You edited this in and this is ok:

Do they? Do we truly enjoy perfect social mobility?

Who enjoys perfect social mobility? Everything comes with a risk and lost nights sleep. The market crashes, all is gone. Bernie Maddoffs of the world. Who really enjoys a no frills social mobility? Ok, maybe the Hilton chick but even that comes with strings attached.

[mookiemookie]

This here would imply you see it as dishonest. No, I was simply using your premise that investing is honest work to ask another question. If I found investment to be dishonest, then I would have to find another job.

You forgot one thing...everyone has the opportunity to invest and enjoy capital gains at a maximum of 15%. It does not matter if the income earner is at 35%. Want to save on that 35%? Try the tax deferred 401K. Invest in a company, America and your retirement. It is after all, called the land of opportunity. Does the recent graduate who can't find a job and is buried under student loan debt? Does the day laborer who works three jobs to feed his family? Does the minimum wage worker? Are you telling me they're going to get the same practical benefits that Mitt Romney gets from a low capital gains rate? Again, stop thinking theoretically and idealistically, and start thinking practically - are these people going to have the same ability to invest sizable portions of their income into the stock and bond markets?


Sure did because you sit and moan about taxes/rate of taxation. As if somehow you and everyone else can not invest or enjoy tax deferred 401k programs. Many people work at jobs that don't offer a 401k. So, no, not everyone else can invest into tax deferred 401k programs. Not everyone has the disposable income available to invest in an IRA. Many people live paycheck to paycheck. I shouldn't have to tell you that.

The stock market is for people like Gordon Gecko only? The opportunity is there for everyone as stated above. Who gets the most benefit from a low capital gains rate? The guy with $100,000,000 invested in the stock market or the waitress who contributes $10 a payday to her IRA valued at $1000?


You are a funny guy. Most companies, if not all, started with the owner pouring his own damn concrete and busting his ass 24/7 to make it work. Many of these guys, even with numerous employees, still get their hands dirty. My boss does. My brother does with his company. My wife's cousin does with his construction company. The list goes on. You've gone off on a tangent here. Capital requires labor to function, and vice versa.


Who enjoys perfect social mobility? Everything comes with a risk and lost nights sleep. The market crashes, all is gone. Bernie Maddoffs of the world. Who really enjoys a no frills social mobility? Ok, maybe the Hilton chick but even that comes with strings attached.

You're missing the point - if you are poor, you are most likely going to stay poor. If you are rich, you are more likely to stay rich.

[August]

If it's honest work to invest in the stock market and earn a return, why is that work not taxed at the same rate of the income someone earns building bridges or healing children or anything else?.

Because it'd amount to double taxation on the money. Dividends are paid by corporate profits and those are already taxed before the corporation hands it to the investor.

[yubba]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/29/world/middleeast/white-house-move-to-give-egypt-450-million-in-aid-meets-resistance.html?_r=0 450 million US tax dollars slated for emergency funding for the government of Egypt,,, why just not make it a half billion,,we are so so sorry that you, let our embassy get attacked,, let us write you a big fat check, now where did that crayon get off to...:har::har::har:So when we get attacked again how much will that cost us.???? Bring our boys home, batten down the hatches,, and fix the leaks...Yes more backroom deals and always on a friday glad someone is watching, the price of freedom is constant vigillance

[AVGWarhawk]

Does the recent graduate who can't find a job and is buried under student loan debt? Does the day laborer who works three jobs to feed his family? Does the minimum wage worker? Are you telling me they're going to get the same practical benefits that Mitt Romney gets from a low capital gains rate? Again, stop thinking theoretically and idealistically, and start thinking practically - are these people going to have the same ability to invest sizable portions of their income into the stock and bond markets?


The recent graduate has 10 years to pay off the student loan. The recent graduate took a risk and obtained the loan. The recent graduate understands what the economy is like. I would assume you believe the recent graduate is somehow the victim how?

I was a minimum wage earner. I worked my way up. Are you one of those that expect $250k as soon as you graduate anything?

I don't think theoretically. I lived it. I did my days of dumping trash, fixing cars, cutting grass, night security jobs, working two jobs to support a family. Where does the theoretically come in??? I purchased my first home. It was a condo. Sold that for a single family home. I have this one sold now as of today and just finished looking at my next home. So yes, a lowly maintenance man at the pool can have social mobility.

And lastly...who said you need a sizable portion to invest. Look at a CD. You do not need a job to offer a 401k program. These you can start yourself. As well as a IRA. Don't need much. Take you tax return and invest it. SAVE some money. Drink the Bud Light like you do instead of the expensive crap you will only pee out anyway. Drive the beater and not the new 2013 Camaro. It's called sacrifice.

Many people work at jobs that don't offer a 401k. So, no, not everyone else can invest into tax deferred 401k programs. Not everyone has the disposable income available to invest in an IRA. Many people live paycheck to paycheck. I shouldn't have to tell you that.


You do not need to have the job offer a 401K. You can start your own. Call Great Western Retirement. They can do this for you. Don't peddle the BS that gee, others do not have this opportunity. That's a crock. Disposable income? Give up the beer. Now you have $7.00 disposable for the week. In a month you have $28.00. At the end of the year you have $1456.00. My wife and I gave up smoking. By the end of the year we had saved enough to enjoy a week at Disneyland with our kids. Condo, all the parks, plus Sea World and Universal Studios. We ate out every meal. Did not spare any expense because we sacrificed and gave up a crap habit. If you live paycheck to paycheck change your lifestyle. We did.

Who gets the most benefit from a low capital gains rate? The guy with $100,000,000 invested in the stock market or the waitress who contributes $10 a payday to her IRA valued at $1000?




Did the guy with $100,000 invest just wake up with that amount to invest? You are smarter than that Mookie. Look at my paragraph above. Give up the beer. Save the money. Invest it. A lot of people do not wake up with thousands to invest. They started simple.


You've gone off on a tangent here. Capital requires labor to function, and vice versa.

No I have not. Capital requires a guy to start a business. Often that guy is the labor and remains so until he retires. Again, I know more business owners that run their business everyday right next to their employees. I do not know one CEO who drives the company Bentley and does not get dirty.

You're missing the point - if you are poor, you are most likely going to stay poor

And that line of thought is what keeps that individual in the lower income bracket.

[yubba]

I almost forgot to sign the check to Egypt http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca9GuwuOVZc

[mookiemookie]

words

So the answer to everyone's problems is to give up beer and they'll magically all have tons of money to invest into the markets?

And when the markets turn and they lose their money, what then?

And lastly...who said you need a sizable portion to invest. Look at a CD. http://www.bankrate.com/cd.aspx

So, earn 1% on 1 year money, and then get a 1099 at the end of the year. Annual inflation rates are currently around 2%. I think your get rich plan may have some holes in it....

If it were as easy as "work hard and give up beer" then more people would be rich. You don't think the millions of people who are working poor thought of that? Or is every one of them just lazy? :roll: If it were as simple as working hard, the Guatemalan guy who mows yards for 14 hours a day, 6 days a week would have as much money as Buffett. It's a simplistic worldview and real life just doesn't operate that way for a lot of people. The working poor are a real problem in America, and I'm sorry if that conflicts with the vision of America you've been sold, but it's a fact of life.

And that line of thought is what keeps that individual in the lower income bracket. "Think happy thoughts" is the strategy Peter Pan used to fly. It doesn't really work well when you're working 2 jobs just to keep pace with your bills, you have no transportation, time or money to go to school, you can't move because of the costs involved and you have no credit at all. Pixie dust isn't the answer.

And we're back to the sad fact that low capital gains rates benefit the rich much more than anyone else.

[AVGWarhawk]

So the answer to everyone's problems is to give up beer and they'll magically all have tons of money to invest into the markets?

And when the markets turn and they lose their money, what then?


The answer certainly is not waiting on a free Obama phone.

So, earn 1% on 1 year money, and then get a 1099 at the end of the year. Annual inflation rates are currently around 2%. I think your get rich plan may have some holes in it....

If it were as easy as "work hard and give up beer" then more people would be rich. You don't think the millions of people who are working poor thought of that? Or is every one of them just lazy? If it were as simple as working hard, the Guatemalan guy who mows yards for 14 hours a day, 6 days a week would have as much money as Buffett. It's a simplistic worldview and real life just doesn't operate that way for a lot of people. The working poor are a real problem in America, and I'm sorry if that conflicts with the vision of America you've been sold, but it's a fact of life.



The fact of life is most prefer to wait for the next episode of Here Comes Honey Boo Boo. Enjoy.

"Think happy thoughts"

What, positive thinking does not work? Those bastards peddling their books and going on tour. I think we should just cancel all pep talks. These don't help. Self help programs...screw it. It's all bunk. Let's sit out front, drink beer and wait on Honey Boo Boo. Good luck to you. :up:

[mookiemookie]

Let's sit out front, drink beer and wait on Honey Boo Boo. Good luck to you. :up:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m97v9gKikH1rdqkdso1_500.gif

[Stealhead]

Even Salahudin was tolerant (after he kicked our asses back to europe), and shared with the Christians. What is wrong with these guys?



I know, but I will spare you my rants.




Who knows really Saladin actually asked the jews to come back to Jerusalem and many did.It is probably more over land issues than anything else.

Anyway realistically because of people with extreme views on either side it is not a solvable issue.

[soopaman2]

Who knows really Saladin actually asked the jews to come back to Jerusalem and many did.It is probably more over land issues than anything else.

Anyway realistically because of people with extreme views on either side it is not a solvable issue.

Yes!

I may trash Israel, but their neighbors do not make it any better.

Salahudin asked the jews to be the gatekeeper for everyone. After all, they were not trying to kill his people like the Christians were at the time.

He wanted a free place, that all could visit. He understood 3 denominations saw it as a holy place, and because of that granted free passage and safety to all, in order to prevent bloodshed over fighting for it. He is truly a hero to me (one of many great men I look up to in history), as he understood how dumb men were when interpreting god. He was tolerant, and respectful of differing beliefs.

Do you know the hoops a modern traveler has to jump through to go there now?

[yubba]

the US house has blocked 450 million dollars from going to Egypt on friday afternoon sept 28, some in the white house still can't admitt it was a terrorist attack that killed our ambassador, they are trying to starve our children in the school lunchroom, in which they have federal agents inspecting lunches brought from home. They were parade-ing kids around in a Pennsylvaina school celebrateing communism,.. Egypt might not get those german subs after all,,,, all this brought to you by the people that boooed god,,,, and I thank 6195 veiwers that would have other wise not likely known that,, progressive liberalism is a mental dissorder. what a freaking weekend this turned out to be and thank you for stopping by. Good night Detroit we love ya.
this has to some it up what's wrong with the progressives http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjEcj8KpuJw&feature=related I have to admit that number of veiws could be smaller I didn't know I merged.

[yubba]

the liberals are dancing in the street over fudged unemployment numbers yes Obamas poor performance in the debates boosted the numbers,, well 46.7 million people are still on foodstamps lying is a mental dissorder..

[Gargamel]

So.

I stayed the hell out of these threads, usually.

But then I noticed it had merged. I thought about it for a while, trying to figure out what sane thread it could have merged with. Then I remembered its a Yubba thread. And then I read yubbas last post.

It's all clear to me now.


And btw Yubba, read the very recent ap article on how those figures are nigh impossible to fudge. Whether they are or not, anybody who claims they are is just having a partisan knee jerk homer reaction.

I hate our two part system.

Maybe we should try Europes multi party systems.


Never mind.

Is Chinese hard to learn?

[yubba]

I have to be honest, this thread was merged with my,,, they booed god thread which had 3000 views and change and the Progressive liberalism mental dissorder thread had about 3000 views , so I wanted to make it perfectly clear,,, that I'm not misleading you,, how many liberals can say that:har::har:. I love fudge don't waste it on numbers..

[Oberon]

Oh good, they cleaned up the clutter. Well done mods. :up:

[Tribesman]

Oh good, they cleaned up the clutter. Well done mods.
Can they make just one topic for all the yubberish?

[yubba]

Just some clean wholesome American fun,, isn't the First Amendment great..3500 views,,, just on this one thread,, that's more people than the populations of some towns I know..All made possible by the liberal left and the democrat party,, in which this tread would not have been possible.

Where's the loopholes,,, the 5 trillion dollar tax cut for the rich,, I couldn't believe how conservative Obama sounded at times,, just too bad he didn't believe in what he was saying. And what he had said a couple of days after the debate, "that wasn't the real Mitt Romney debateing him",,, mental.

[soopaman2]

I have to be honest, this thread was merged with my,,, they booed god thread which had 3000 views and change and the Progressive liberalism mental dissorder thread had about 3000 views , so I wanted to make it perfectly clear,,, that I'm not misleading you,, how many liberals can say that:har::har:. I love fudge don't waste it on numbers..


It's more the inability to turn away from a train wreck, or rubberneck as you pass a 3 car accident.

People look at your threads because you are an outright extremist, who is bound to get thrashed.

People tune in for the thrashing. aka the trainwreck.

There goes the ego trip, just because people read it does not mean they agree.

I can start a topic called "Black people should be sent back to Africa, and Hitler had great views on the Jews" and I bet it doubles the hits and posts, mostly with critisizm.

Ego has been checked!:03:

[Takeda Shingen]

We're past due for a PSA:

http://www.zagura.ro/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/god-kills-kitten-troll.jpg

Only you can prevent forum fires. Do your part.

[yubba]

Yep I'm a walking, talking, trainwreck of a human being, I dare say what others only wish to say, with all the fun I have thrashing liberals, I'm hardly extreme, I just want to get up in the morning do a honest days work for an honest days pay,,,Well I can't even start a lemonade stand without paying some overpaid government chucklehead 500 bucks for a permit to start .Got this wack job in the white house thinking,,If I did start my own business it isn't mine because I cheated someone in a past life or something like that,, and all the money I have saved up,, he's looking for a way to either to destroy it, or redistrabute it. And trust me I know people that are far more wacked out of their skulls than I,, And I haven't heard one person in this whole cluster farce yet,, tell me how nice this socalist paradice is going to be or what it's going to be like, will there be rainbows and lolliepoops and kittens and everbody will be equal,, well except the guys with the guns and the folks at the top living like gods stuffing their faces with lobster,, because they think they are so smart,, Well we got to see who the smartest guy in the room was the other night didn't we.....I didn't expect our President to punk out after being beaten OOOh that wasn't the real Mitt Romney,, well it sure the hell wasn't Ronald Reagon but close enough,,there's nothing worst than living the 2nd term of Jimmy Carter and starrin down a 3rd....Takeda Shingen I hear they are about to shut down a 100 coal fire electric plants in your great state alone care to comment on that..How thats going to help people and of course they are closing coal mines there too and some how the unemployment numbers dropped call me crazy,, but I check ahead of my trip to New York and the gas is over 4 bucks a gallon..

[Tribesman]

Yep I'm a walking, talking, trainwreck of a human being, I dare say what others only wish to say, with all the fun I have thrashing liberals
Its the black knight:rotfl2:
Poor yubbs, I hate to break it to ya but you havn't a leg to stand on as you get so thoroughly trashed from every direction every time.

[yubba]

Seems the data on a 100 coal fire plants in pennsylvaina was false so I retract it, I thought the article that I read said a 100 but I can't find it, so there is no proof of it, what I recall was 200 plants in the northeast to close,, NY, Pa, Ohio, Va , West Va,, ,,, but as long as I got your attention this is what I found. And gasoline is going over 4 bucks a gallon hows that for a leg to stand on...
http://www.power-eng.com/coal/more-coal.htmland and this one http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/30/business/energy-environment/even-in-kentucky-coal-industry-is-under-siege.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all some of the stories I read on this are gone if you can't trust the net who can you..

[yubba]

Its the black knight:rotfl2:
Poor yubbs, I hate to break it to ya but you havn't a leg to stand on as you get so thoroughly trashed from every direction every time.
So tribes why don't you tell us again about the virtues of communism,, you know,, about all the nice things it does. From what I read about the new world order they say that two thirds of the worlds population must be killed off for it too work,,,, I really don't see you fitting into that one third but again that's just me and my yubbaish opinion,,let me take an extra long deep breath,,because you elites think you can control the very air that I breath,, matter of fact I think I'll cook up some beans,,and alot of BACON.. have a nice day don't forget the clothes pin for your nose..:doh::doh::o oooooo got to go.

[AVGWarhawk]

[QUOTE=
Poor yubbs, I hate to break it to ya but you havn't a leg to stand on as you get so thoroughly trashed from every direction every time.[/QUOTE]

I have observed in life some folks who have difficulty expressing, verbally or written, their thoughts, desires and opinions. As a result of poorly structured sentences, misspelled words and incoherant opinions, facts and fiction, the individual is often dismissed. Deciphering run on sentences is tedious. Dismissing the individual is the easiest route to take. The path of least resistence. Let's take a look at yubbas last few posts.

Permits: county, state and federal governments do require permits to begin just about anything. My dog requires a permit every year just to exist in his county of residence. $8.00 for a permit. Yes, I would imagine some folks view this as another form of government involvement in their life. The lemonade stand the 8 year old has started requires a permit. Granted permits serve a purpose, it would seem by and large permits are a tool that is abused from time to time.

Retirement: has anyone stopped to wonder why people feel the government is after their savings? Why is it a constant struggle to find ways to save tax free or deferred so one can retire? The numerous programs and plans one needs to investigate so the feds do not take what you have earned. This has become a industry in itself. Why do people hide cash? Berth their yacht in another state to avoid a tax(John Kerry)? Why is it us and them? Perhaps you are young and retirement is not a huge concern presently. One day it will be and you too will wonder why. By then you will be old and feeble. Storming Capitol Hill is not in the cards. Your savings handed over in life and another check cut in your death.

Coal: good question on coal in PA. This issue cropped up during the last election. Clean coal technology. Is there such a thing as clean coal? Why is PA a focal point again? The mines that might be closed, why these in particular? Baltimore's electrical grid is a coal based source of the cities electrical supplies. A majority of the coal comes from WV. Any reason WV is not on the chopping block? These coal mines on the block, how does the fed plan on feeding the power plants requiring coal? Such political jockeying over a industry that has been the basis for energy for decades. The infrastructure depends on coal. What are the plans to replace the energy source? Solyndra?

Smoke and mirrors.

[MH]

So tribes why don't you tell us again about the virtues of communism,, you know,, about all the nice things it does. From what I read about the new world order they say that two thirds of the worlds population must be killed off for it too work,,,, I really don't see you fitting into that one third but again that's just me and my yubbaish opinion,,let me take an extra long deep breath,,because you elites think you can control the very air that I breath,, matter of fact I think I'll cook up some beans,,and alot of BACON.. have a nice day don't forget the clothes pin for your nose..:doh::doh::o oooooo got to go.

Over-Legislation is general problem in democracy when you have bunch of people sitting at the top making decisions they think are good for everyone or serving intrests of some groups.
Who need to prove that something is done about something...sometimes in populistic way.
It has nothing to do with left or right.
Yet it is the best we got .
Communism and other ideologies is another story..

[Tribesman]

So tribes why don't you tell us again about the virtues of communism,, you know,, about all the nice things it does.

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:
keep hitting yourself in the face you tool:up:

From what I read about the new world order they say that two thirds of the worlds population must be killed off for it too work
Its alex jones the messiah.


Dismissing the individual is the easiest route to take.
It is very easy, extremely easy in this case as he is such a plonker.
Even your examples are easily dealt with
permits, whats new? retirement whats new? coal, whats new?
Its all old hat that goes through the cycle endlessly with tiny alterations.
He has shown that there is no point addressing any issues as he is seemingly braindead and simply repeats the spoonfed rubbish he gets from loony sources. People point out how when and why it is rubbish people even go into detail about why it is rubbish, his only intention is to spam and troll so he just repeats the same old nonsense time after time from the same old crazy sources regardless of what information is available.

[AVGWarhawk]

Over-Legislation is general problem in democracy when you have bunch of people sitting at the top making decisions they think are good for everyone or serving intrests of some groups..

The nanny state as it were. Intrusive.

[Onkel Neal]

It's more the inability to turn away from a train wreck, or rubberneck as you pass a 3 car accident.

People look at your threads because you are an outright extremist, who is bound to get thrashed.

People tune in for the thrashing. aka the trainwreck.

There goes the ego trip, just because people read it does not mean they agree.

I can start a topic called "Black people should be sent back to Africa, and Hitler had great views on the Jews" and I bet it doubles the hits and posts, mostly with critisizm.

Ego has been checked!:03:


I would love to take part in some political discourse here, but there are already so many political fires created by yubba and tribesman, that I feel if I start a thread, it will make it worse. Maybe if people here would ease their foot off the thread peddle, the rest of us would join in.

[soopaman2]

I was not trying to be holier than thou, the comment about the thread hits rubbed me the wrong way.
Not to say I am not prone to my own extremism at times.


I typed out long winded posts, that once I re-read sounded offensive, or were just outright lunatic. Sometimes I posted them, and cringed afterwards.:D

I understand Yubba, we may not always agree, but I can understand why he gets the way he gets.

It is the frustration in all of us.

And you know we still like our yubba, he is ours and no one can have him.:up:

[mookiemookie]

Since this seems to be the catch-all political thread...

http://i.imgur.com/kQPEp.png

[AVGWarhawk]

Since this seems to be the catch-all political thread...

http://i.imgur.com/kQPEp.png

Honey Boo Boo sells. Besides, the programing line up needed filler between programs concerning the moon and health shows about STD. :D

[Rilder]

Honey Boo Boo sells.

Amerika in a nutshell. "Because it sells" :O:

[Rockstar]

Add another to the catch all before Yubba does

Detroit unsafe police unions say 'War-Like' enter at your own risk. Nothing new there heck I remember hearing the same thing 30 years ago.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/10/06/enter-at-your-own-risk-police-union-says-war-like-detroit-is-unsafe-for-visitors/

[Tribesman]

Honey boo boo is educational.

[Penguin]

Honey boo boo is educational.

And ketchup is a vegetable. :smug:

Which reminds me of their secret family recipe for spaghetti sauce : take one part ketchup, one part butter, microwave it.
Saint Ronnie would be proud.

[soopaman2]

And ketchup is a vegetable. :smug:

Which reminds me of their secret family recipe for spaghetti sauce : take one part ketchup, one part butter, microwave it.
Saint Ronnie would be proud.

That is what they put on the pizzas in any location but New York and Chicago.

It would be a good thing ditching PBS, just think as we all starve, we can cook up big bird, and snufalufugus.

Oscar will be the only one who will do OK, he will become the CEO of Goldman Sachs.

Jim Lehrer can be a doormat.

[Sailor Steve]

That is what they put on the pizzas in any location but New York and Chicago.
You sir, are an "ist" of the worst sort. I once ate at a pizza place in Milwaukee that boasted they had one the "Chicago city-wide cookoff" a couple of years earlier. I had one, and I believe their claim.

Of course I buy my pizzas at the store and add some extra stuff to it, so what do I know?

[Penguin]

That is what they put on the pizzas in any location but New York and Chicago.

This is all propaganda from Chicago's and NY's pizza industry! :O:

[soopaman2]

One large pie with extra Big Bird coming up.

With real homemade sauce.:O:

Made with love.
Not out of a can!

Jim Lehrer is making it for you now.

Maybe if he is good at this Romney can bump him up to $8.00 an hour, a kings wages!:yeah:

[Sailor Steve]

Aw, man! Who puts bird on a pizza? Now Miss Piggy might be another story. :O:

[Tchocky]

it's those damn subversives who put pineapple on a pizza who get me worried.

[Betonov]

FOOD !!!!

The ultimate derailer

[Tribesman]

FOOD !!!!

The ultimate derailer
I thought that was made by Campagnolo

[Betonov]

the bicycle part company ?? :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Shimano rules!

[Hottentot]

I have an old Corratec. A fine piece of German engineering: 100 useless or otherwise completely obscure screws and bolts which have no real function that I'm aware of, but boy, can you waste a night or two just tweaking them anyway.

[Betonov]

I don't know what I got. Some Taiwan mishmash that works suprisingly well considering maintainance is a 4 letter word here :hmmm:

Actually it works perfectly.

[Takeda Shingen]

Stop. Bumping. This. Crap.

[Tribesman]

KEEP BUMPING THIS CRAP
ITS A CAPITAL IDEA

[Hottentot]

KEEP BUMPING THIS CRAP
ITS A CAPITAL IDEA

THE CAPITAL LETTER APPRECIATION THREAD IS ELSEWHERE. YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT I EMPHASIZED THE WORD ELSEWHERE BY WRITING IT IN CAPS. ALSO, HERE'S A GLARE FOR YOU. :stare:

THAT BEING SAID, I THINK TAKEDA'S IDEA IS DECENT. I'M GOING TO APPRECIATE CAPSLOCK INSTEAD.

[Tribesman]

THE CAPITAL LETTER APPRECIATION THREAD IS ELSEWHERE.
IS IT TIME FOR A THREAD MERGE?

[Jimbuna]

ZIPP it :O:

[Sailor Steve]

Stop. Bumping. This. Crap.
PERIOD!

[Tribesman]

ZIPP it :O:
If you insist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyBmVLkuYPA

PERIOD!
Must be that time of the month.

[Jimbuna]

If you insist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyBmVLkuYPA


Must be that time of the month.

I actually meant this :)

http://www.zipp.com/accessories/components.php

[Tribesman]

I actually meant this
But Zipp doesn't make derailers

[Jimbuna]

But Zipp doesn't make derailers

Derailleur do though :)

[Betonov]

If you insist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyBmVLkuYPA




What the... ????

I can't even imagine how you found this :doh:

[Tribesman]

Derailleur do though
thats shifting the topic

[Jimbuna]

thats shifting the topic

onto the side track

[Oberon]

http://web-japan.org/nipponia/nipponia33/images/feature/17_1.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Is that a bullet train?

[Oberon]

Is that a bullet train?

:yep: A 200 series Shinkansen to be precise, derailed near Nagaoka city after an magnitude 5.8 earthquake in October 2004.

[AVGWarhawk]

Is that a bullet train?

It's a broken train. :shifty:

[Tribesman]

The topic was a train wreck to start with, now its gone off the rails and is featuring a train wreck

[yubba]

:har:So California,, how's all that liberalism worken out for you ???..You get that special afternoon blend of gasoline in,, or was that the double latai morning blend.. So,, ain't bullet trains to no where some of the libs favorite projects to through money into like the chevy volt,, solindra,,and the pockets of their buddies..:woot::woot::har::har:5000 views if they didn't know progressive liberalism was a mental dissorder they do now..
Brought to you by the people who, Can't admit that we were attacked by terrorist, the Ft Hood shooting was a work related incident,, wants to tell you what kind of light bulb to use,, what kind of shower head you can have,,what you can or can't do with your property,,,makes you feel bad that you are make-ing money,,tells you kids, they can't put up a lemonade stand without a 500 dollar permit,,marches your kids around to celebrate communism,,tells your kids they can't bring a lunch from home..And if you have built a business,, well you didn't do that.

[Lord_magerius]

:har:So California,, how's all that liberalism worken out for you ???..You get that special afternoon blend of gasoline in,, or was that the double latai morning blend.. So,, ain't bullet trains to no where some of the libs favorite projects to through money into like the chevy volt,, solindra,,and the pockets of their buddies..:woot::woot::har::har:

Hmm... I think this might help. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Correct+use+of+the+English+language)

[yubba]

Some say this thread is crap,, no I think we have brought up alot of great topics in here,, It is not my fault that some peoples thinking is flawed, on these topics,, as a matter of fact I can't wait to see the VP debates tomorrow talk about the mental dissorder that Uncle Joe is going to bring to the table,,, now that will be a trainwreck to watch,,,,just like that Lybia hearing thing that's going on in DC ,,, ooohh the lies and the fibs this administration has put out,,,,blame it on the intel,, extra security was ask for by the murdered ambassador and was denied by the state department, and they say,, they didn't know what was going on,,these are the same peope that are going to run your health care aaaaahhh we don't think you need that operation,, rationed security,,,rationed heath care..Heck,, I did tell ya it was a terrorist attack the day it happened, heck that puts me up 1 on this administration.. If you believe in american greatness and in the constitution this thread shouldn't bother you...And if it does well there are places to go like Spain I hear it is wonderful there now just like Greece,, even North Korea is nice this time of year or you can visit Uncle Hugo....

[Lord_magerius]

You do know that,,, typing,,, like,,,, this makes you,,,,,, sound like you have,,,, a stutter?

[eddie]

yubba, you missed your calling in life. You should be down on the farm, you'd make a great manure spreader!:haha:

[Tribesman]

You do know that,,, typing,,, like,,,, this makes you,,,,,, sound like you have,,,, a stutter?
Is that a typo?

You should be down on the farm, you'd make a great manure spreader!
No thats supposed to spread manure, yubba just swallows it

[Hottentot]

You do know that,,, typing,,, like,,,, this makes you,,,,,, sound like you have,,,, a stutter?

Tell me about it...I have some times seen...you know...people who don't...ever use...any...full stops or...commas but...write...always like this and...personally...I think it looks...silly...

Can we turn...this thread into...the official...three full stops in place of...every...punctuation mark and...bad poetical rhetoric...appreciation thread...

[Jimbuna]

:yep: A 200 series Shinkansen to be precise, derailed near Nagaoka city after an magnitude 5.8 earthquake in October 2004.

Didn't know the one I saw at York last week was the only one in the world outside of japan.

[Betonov]

Didn't know the one I saw at York last week was the only one in the world outside of japan.

Will Japaneese trains even run on British tracks :hmmm:

[Oberon]

Will Japaneese trains even run on British tracks :hmmm:

Only the bullet trains. Normal Japanese trains use a smaller gauge of 1067mm, but the Shinkansen system uses the standard gauge of 1435mm (or 4ft 8.5in), although the overhead electrics are probably incompatible and it'd probably have problems with some of our curves so it'd never run on the mainline.

The one at the NRM was a special gift from the Japanese government IIRC, it's an original Series 0, one of the first bullet trains made.
Nice on the inside, isn't it?

I did love their models showing the evolution of the Shinkansen:

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3647/1005967q.jpg

[Betonov]

It was a joke :O:
Says a person from a country that hasn't updated their railines since Austria-Hungary :/\\!!

Love the model pics. A dream of mine that will reamin only a dream for many years to come.

[yubba]

The real joke was,,the stimulalist money to be spent on our roads, and bridges, all those shovel ready jobs. We could have high speed rail in the states,,but no private business wants to build, and no where in the constitution says the government is to be in the railroad business...Just a liberal boon doggle,,like green energy...Germany was able to turn coal into high grade aviation fuel what we can't do that,, heck I built a HHO generator in which it only takes 12 volts break water down to its 2 elements,,I'm working on a bigger one to be use as a torch, or run a small engine.,, Maybe you should look up Howard Johnson not only did he build a great place to eat breakfast he also invented a magnet motor in which he has 3 patents on,, so google it.

[Lord_magerius]

My goggle isn't working, I've tried yehaa and bang as well, they don't seem to work either.

[yubba]

thanks 4 the spell check google, well my mistake big fingers small keyboard. Well I may not be perfect but I didn't add 5 trillion dollars to the natinal debt,,hope you hold those that have caused so much misery in the world so accountable as you do me..

[Oberon]

It was a joke :O:
Says a person from a country that hasn't updated their railines since Austria-Hungary :/\\!!

Love the model pics. A dream of mine that will reamin only a dream for many years to come.

But trains is srs bsns! :03:

Since Austria-Hungary? Well, that must mean your railways are more modern than ours! Most of our infrastructure is still from the era of her majesty Queen Victoria! Still, if it works, which it usually does. It's just the business side of things where it all falls apart. :03:

I know what you mean about that dream...but one day, eh? :yep:

[Betonov]

I know what you mean about that dream...but one day, eh? :yep:

It's the lack of space.

Luckily the partisans and allied bombers blew a couple of bridges during WWII, so at least some are ''brand new''

[Oberon]

It's the lack of space.

Luckily the partisans and allied bombers blew a couple of bridges during WWII, so at least some are ''brand new''

The Luftwaffe did its best with ours, but aside from rebuilding a couple of stations, most of it was just patched back over with wood and sticky tape. :yep:

You thought of N or Z gauge?

[Betonov]

You thought of N or Z gauge?

I always planned (read: dreamed) in HO. A Slovene producer, Mehano, only made those in HO, since they were a good match between quality and price.

[Oberon]

I always planned (read: dreamed) in HO. A Slovene producer, Mehano, only made those in HO, since they were a good match between quality and price.

Aaah, yeah, HO is probably the widest range, but yes it can take up a lot of room. Although that being said, you can make the most of what little space there is, this site has some examples:
http://www.carendt.com/scrapbook/page61a/index.html

But I know what you mean, to get a decent sized station, engine shed, scenery, it all takes up too much room. :dead:

[Betonov]

Train modeling will just have to wait.

I'll try boat modeling first. I got the know how from work and an endless suply of fiberglass and resin :arrgh!:

[Oberon]

:rock: Ever been tempted to build a couple of those resinkable battleships with BB guns that they battle with in the states?

[Betonov]

:rock: Ever been tempted to build a couple of those resinkable battleships with BB guns that they battle with in the states?

I can make the hull and deck.
If you can outfit it we may have a project :D

[yubba]

:rock: Ever been tempted to build a couple of those resinkable battleships with BB guns that they battle with in the states?
As a kid I floated a couple of model ships out into the pond and used a 22 rifle with a scope on them that was entertaining for a couple of minutes,, now kids just because I did it doesn't mean you should,, so don't start heading out to the pool..:doh::doh:

[yubba]

So would you rather have a Liberal or a Conservative engineer on your train,,, knowing full well the bridge is out down the line,,the conservative would stop and see if there was another way,,, The liberal Obama engineer would be full speed ahead,, more fuel on the fire, we come this far we can't stop..So when is some one going to tell me how nice it's going to be after our economy and society collapses,.Will it be like Mad Max, Mad Max Road Warrior, or Mad Max Thunder Dome..?????

[yubba]

Aaah, yeah, HO is probably the widest range, but yes it can take up a lot of room. Although that being said, you can make the most of what little space there is, this site has some examples:
http://www.carendt.com/scrapbook/page61a/index.html

But I know what you mean, to get a decent sized station, engine shed, scenery, it all takes up too much room. :dead:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tybIzhpHK9A&feature=related I wonder how much space this will take up in a computer,,maybe I shouldn't show you this, it would be less than modeling.. had a speech problem, was in a hurry to see the debate, have to hand it to Uncle Joe he did pretty good but I lost count of how many times he said 47%

[Oberon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tybIzhpHK9A&feature=related I wonder how much space this will take up in a computer,,maybe I shouldn't show you this it, but it would be less than modeling..

That and Open Transport Tycoon is where I get my train fix from. :03:

[yubba]

I'm looking at rail simulator} they say it's free got the demo an english steamer with some coaches, impressive but nothing to blow up.:hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

I'm looking at rail simulator} they say it's free got the demo an english steamer with some coaches, impressive but nothing to blow up.:hmmm:

I admit to loving Railworks. It gives me the same type of satifaction that I get out of the Flight Simulator series.

[AVGWarhawk]

Train sims are loads of fun.

[yubba]

Went an bought rail simulator, 9 bucks and a 4 hour down load, did a couple of rounds not bad ,then I decided to clean up the hard drive alittle bit through control panel hung the machine up rebooted by power down, now windows won't start got to get an xp disk to fix a root file lucky me I got several machines, not looking forward to going back to SH2. I take back what I said about Uncle Joe,, he lied on national tv in the debates in front of us all,, how he voted on the wars..,,plus how he acted towards Paul Ryan reminds me of a few folks I know....:hmmm::hmmm:

[yubba]

Well lets see if we can take this to election day I see the lefties are in meltdown mode. Amagine all that energy right under your feet.

[CCIP]

Hooray, yubba's back! :Kaleun_Party:

[yubba]

Hooray, yubba's back! :Kaleun_Party:
AAAaaw somebody missed me....

[Jimbuna]

AAAaaw somebody missed me....

Really!!? :O:

[yubba]

:hmmm::hmmm::hmmm: I don't even know where to begin on what is going on in the administration they can't seem to answer a couple of simple questions if you can't be truthful how can we trust you, even campaign ads are talking about trust so you first mr. O,,,, what I would really like to know is what's the body count of 7 hours of fighting against 3 navy seals??????:salute::salute::salute: And why you decided not to help them Hows that for a disaster area ??????:nope::nope:

[Buddahaid]

Must have got the windage a few ticks off I imagine. :arrgh!:

[yubba]

Really!!? :O:
No but really:woot::woot:tell me how you feel,, the Doctor is in, and for the low low price of 9 99 you can get doctor yubbas root tonic,, tonsel wash and tooth whitener..

[yubba]

Must have got the windage a few ticks off I imagine. :arrgh!:
yes it's all about windage and elevation,, was talking to a buddy of mind that has a 338 he got to take it out on the 1000 yard range hitting a 9 in steel plate use-ing 30in of windage...:up::salute:there was alittl breeze.

[soopaman2]

AAAaaw somebody missed me....

We love you Yubba, despite any differences!
:D:rock::up:

I am most likely your biggest fan.

[yubba]

I got a fan, oh my god oh my god, and I have nothing to wear oh my god a parade for me you shouldn't have...:woot::woot::woot:

[yubba]

heading for 10,000 got to make the libs heads spin GO MITT yes a country will fall if citizens can vote themselves beneifits at the expense of some else.

[yubba]

Wow, just remember a vote for Obama is a vote to leave troops to die then lie about it, hold these people accountable, a coward leaves men behind to die..the democrats even Boooooo ed god so you really want to vote folks in like that,,, well expect more people to be left to die..and remember tax the rich,, if thats what you are into.,

[19Herr_Rapp86]

yes it's all about windage and elevation,, was talking to a buddy of mind that has a 338 he got to take it out on the 1000 yard range hitting a 9 in steel plate use-ing 30in of windage...:up::salute:there was alittl breeze.

Lapua?


EDIT: Sorry... Off topic by a margin. Lol

[yubba]

Well we'll see tomorrow what path we take,,, a road to sanity, or right straight into the mental ward where up is down and good is bad, where prosparity is evil, and poverty is the norm..

[Buddahaid]

Here you go Yubba. Read up so you don't get rusty from all that water.

http://grammar.about.com/od/d/g/doublespeakterm.htm

[Jimbuna]

Well we'll see tomorrow what path we take,,, a road to sanity, or right straight into the mental ward where up is down and good is bad, where prosparity is evil, and poverty is the norm..

Whichever and whatever...the results will be known in the next day or two.

[Penguin]

Here you go Yubba. Read up so you don't get rusty from all that water.

http://grammar.about.com/od/d/g/doublespeakterm.htm

Are you crazy? :eek: Linking to something with the evil g-word; tsk, tsk, tsk...

[yubba]

Well I'm koo koo for cocoa puffs already..

[Sailor Steve]

We've noticed.

[yubba]

Getting to be a real nail bitter, ain't it. I wonder if it will be a chic fil a moment....

[Jimbuna]

Getting to be a real nail bitter, ain't it.

Well don't go biting them off :03:

[yubba]

Well don't go biting them off :03:
I'm down to the knuckles already, I fear mama yubba is voting for Obama

[Jimbuna]

I'm down to the knuckles already, I fear mama yubba is voting for Obama

So a split decision in the yubba household?

[Gerald]

I'm down to the knuckles already, I fear mama yubba is voting for Obama:haha:

[yubba]

Well she said she wasn't vote-ing for incumbants so one could only hope I'm in southern tier NY, right now, watching the layoffs at the Erwin corning glass plant, and the Sikrosky helicoper plant in Horseheads at the end of Chemung County Airport runway closeing and they still want to vote for Obama. I love the ads here,, that companies are getting tax breaks to go overseas..

[Jimbuna]

Well she said she wasn't vote-ing for incumbants so one could only hope I'm in southern tier NY, right now, watching the layoffs at the Erwin corning glass plant, and the Sikrosky helicoper plant in Horseheads at the end of Chemung County Airport runway closeing and they still want to vote for Obama. I love the ads here,, that companies are getting tax breaks to go overseas..

Such is the way in other countries as well unfortunately...the UK is no exception.

[Gerald]

Well she said she wasn't vote-ing for incumbants so one could only hope I'm in southern tier NY, right now, watching the layoffs at the Erwin corning glass plant, and the Sikrosky helicoper plant in Horseheads at the end of Chemung County Airport runway closeing and they still want to vote for Obama. I love the ads here,, that companies are getting tax breaks to go overseas.. Your Mom will solve this out yubba.

[Jimbuna]

Well she said she wasn't vote-ing for incumbants so one could only hope I'm in southern tier NY, right now, watching the layoffs at the Erwin corning glass plant, and the Sikrosky helicoper plant in Horseheads at the end of Chemung County Airport runway closeing and they still want to vote for Obama. I love the ads here,, that companies are getting tax breaks to go overseas..

My apologies for the background noise.

[yubba]

My apologies for the background noise.
Didn't hear a thing question is it too early to start drinking.

[Jimbuna]

Didn't hear a thing question is it too early to start drinking.

I'm thirty minutes away from a can and a game of football/soccer on tv :cool:

[yubba]

I'm thirty minutes away from a can and a game of football/soccer on tv :cool:
Who you rooting for,, soccer I mean

[Jimbuna]

Who you rooting for,, soccer I mean

Man City to beat Ajax and Arsenal to beat Schalke 04

[eddie]

Who you rooting for,, soccer I mean

He's a "Toon"!:D

[Jimbuna]

He's a "Toon"!:D

Very true....but on European club nights you root for the team in your country.

At club level I can't stand the bar stewards :)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x41/ross350z/nufc_8v526mxl.gif

[yubba]

Well spent the morning throwing up finger nails, knuckles and elbows, I see the stock market didn't like it either dropping 250 points, what alittle buyers remorse, I think in a month or so, I'll find a nice seat and watch this trainwreck unfold, meanwhile I am going to do alittle deer hunting and hone my outdoor skills,,and spend sometime with the folks,,, for the next 5 weeks and I'll try not getting stuck upside down in a tree stand.

[Jimbuna]

Well spent the morning throwing up finger nails, knuckles and elbows, I see the stock market didn't like it either dropping 250 points, what alittle buyers remorse, I think in a month or so, I'll find a nice seat and watch this trainwreck unfold, meanwhile I am going to do alittle deer hunting and hone my outdoor skills,,and spend sometime with the folks,,, for the next 5 weeks and I'll try not getting stuck upside down in a tree stand.

And the very best of British :sunny: