What is the world coming to... (Attack on US Embassy)

[August]

Maybe Steven Fry ought to try telling the Muslims that eh Mookie? Except that if he's like you and the Onion he'd confine his criticisms to safer targets.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

@ Skybird: Interesting post.

I certainly see your point about the snake eating its tail... It cannot release itself and it cannot end well.

[Sailor Steve]

I had some clashed with Steve over Popper and the tolerance paradoxon
The clash wasn't over intolerance, or over anyone's view of it. The clash was over the parts where I actually agreed with you but you ignored that. Apparently you still do.

As to the rest of your post. I do agree...to a point. The real difference between us was never the fact of tolerance or intolerance, it's simply where to draw the line. Your original attacks on me (and they were direct attacks) came about over a simple discussion of whether a mosque should be built at ground zero. Nothing more.

Nazism, still enjoys tolerance and freedom in the US, while over 300 thousand US soldiers - your grandfathers - lost their lives and even more got wounded in a war aiming at containing its consequences. Those forefathers of yours must turn in their graves.
It comes mainly from our British heritage. Great Britain built an empire on the backs of others, and then lost it mainly because they had the good grace to feel guilty about the way they had treated their fellow man. If any other nation had subjugated India, Ghandi would have been rounded up and shot at the first sign of protest. So we spend a lot of time questioning our motives. I agree that potentially dangerous groups need to be watched. Where we disagree is over what should be done. Should all such groups be expelled? Then where is the fairness. It's easy to argue that they don't deserve fairness, but at what point to we become as bad as them?

My main disagreement with Skybird on this subject is that if we start rounding up people just because we don't like what some of them say, then we are doing the opposite of Popper's concept - we are now taking away freedom in the name of protecting our own. The American ideal is to round up the ones who actually cause harm, not the ones who just say things we don't want to hear.

I agree with Skybird: it is a paradox. The problem, as with any paradox, is the question of what to do about it at any given moment. I think he goes to far. He is convinced I don't go far enough. As always, I don't claim to know of any real answer.

And when then - like it occasionally happened - I get met by a comment like: I may disagree with you but I will fight to the death for your right to disagree with me, then I can only shake my head. That is a nice and cocky statement when the other opinion still enjoys the benefit of the doubt.
I was going to argue with that, but I realize that in the last phrase it's true. It only works if both parties are willing to discuss it. If I tell you I'll defend your right to say something and then you say "I'm going to kill you", then we have a problem.

But when it's world-destroying potential is evident and is proven by history, then tolerance must end - or gets wiped out well deserved. Some ideologies like Nazism and Islam, are that much beyond doubt and proven by history. And some actors, persons as well as states, are beyond doubt as well. These usually mark the red lines where my tolerance has come to a total end and where I do not accept any more compromise being tried.

In other words: that is the point beyond which I am totally and completely intolerant. And that is good, and that is the correct choice from the perspective of reason, and I do not intend to ever apologize for being intolerant when standing at this red line.
The reason I think this is wrong-headed is because you end up throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Are all Muslims like that. We can argue whether their scriptures say so, but I know a lot of people who follow a Church who don't even know half of what that Church teaches. Should all Muslims be expelled? Are all evil? I've asked the question before: If you destroy everything you are convinced is truly evil, how do you know you are any better than what you oppose? The answer is that you don't. I feel it's far better to judge each case on its own merits, not assume that everyone is the same, even within broad groups.

[mookiemookie]

Maybe Steven Fry ought to try telling the Muslims that eh Mookie? Except that if he's like you and the Onion he'd confine his criticisms to safer targets.

Grow up and quit trolling.

[Tribesman]

Maybe Steven Fry ought to try telling the Muslims that eh Mookie? Except that if he's like you and the Onion he'd confine his criticisms to safer targets.

:haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::h aha:
Epic fail August.
In fact you really are on a roll of failures here.
Perhaps you should familiarise yourself with some of his statements writings videos and broadcasts before you make any further silly comments.

[joegrundman]

1979????why not 1879 or 1779, its nothing new.

Obviously Islam is much older, but I think this modern era of Muslim activity can be traced back to the Iranian revolution of 1979, in so far as anything can be said to have a beginning. Don't you?

[MH]

Obviously Islam is much older, but I think this modern era of Muslim activity can be traced back to the Iranian revolution of 1979, in so far as anything can be said to have a beginning. Don't you?

Try tracing origin of Muslim brotherhood to get idea about renaissance of political Islam.
It's much older phenomena than 1979 shi"te(TM:)) revolution.

[August]

Grow up and quit trolling.

How about you take a flying leap off a bridge?

[AVGWarhawk]

How about you take a flying leap off a bridge?

Not the Brooklyn Bridge. I just purchased this bridge. All leaping has been cancelled.

[Sailor Steve]

I just purchased this bridge.
From whom? Not me! I happen to own that bridge, and I didn't sell it to anybody! Prove it? I have the deed right here somewhere. Once I find it I'll be glad to sell it to you cheap.

And to you.

And you.

:O:

[mookiemookie]

Not the Brooklyn Bridge. I just purchased this bridge. All leaping has been cancelled.

I just bought one too! Got myself a shiny Golden Gate for free when I bought that oceanfront property in Arizona.

[August]

You don't have to buy it, just jump from it. Preferably a nice tall one.

[AVGWarhawk]

I just bought one too! Got myself a shiny Golden Gate for free when I bought that oceanfront property in Arizona.

Oceanfront property Arizona! Ocean coming soon! :haha:

[August]

Maybe i should bump this in case you guys missed it..

I'm sure they saw it Kloef, they're just too busy insulting other religions to take note of it.

[Kloef]

I guess this topic is starting to get a life of its own:woot:

[AVGWarhawk]

I guess this topic is starting to get a life of its own:woot:

We are talking bridges now.

[Tribesman]

Obviously Islam is much older, but I think this modern era of Muslim activity can be traced back to the Iranian revolution of 1979, in so far as anything can be said to have a beginning. Don't you?
Well it can be said to be many things, but I would put it more in the lines of the of the birth of "modern" fundamentaism which runs more t the mid 1800s, though Skybird for a change makes sense and puts it back a bit to the start of the 19th century(though he then contradicts that by saying its from the 5th century).
I think your focus with 79 is just a result of UScentric events which has the aditional problem that those center round a big problem with fundies that strangely isn't the main problem with fundies.
As MH points out those are only one type of fundy nutters and it should be noted that the other date you gave was another type of fundy nutters.

More interesting developments, take a load of this, sorry for the subtitles..

Loads of pissed of Europeans thanks to this spineless excuse for a human being..

Sentiments in the Netherlands grow towards independence from the EU and i'm all for that, i didn't like it in the first place and this is now my number one reason:


Do you really think that was a wise move?
Posting a link with....
DEATH TO MARTIN SCHULZ! RAPE AND KILL HIS WHOLE***65279; FAMILY!
hitmanguy345 (http://www.youtube.com/user/hitmanguy345)11 hours ago
kinda puts his critics views on the same level as the nutty muslims doesn't it.

[Tribesman]

As to what he said kloef, he should have more balls, he should have said the film is absolute crap and that he hopes once the Americans have hit the fraudster for breaking his parole then he should be handed over to Israel for his lame "its the jews" ploy.

[Kloef]

I ask myself, what does Europe have to do wtih the whole thing? The movie was uploaded in the U.S and the maker is Egyptian..

Sure the movie is an insult, an insult to good movie makers all over the world..

[Skybird]

A very worth to read essay from a German site (and in German language), about both the opportunism and naive imbecility of Obama, and the revealing incompetence and cluelessness of Hillary Clinton. Sharp, ironic, and straight to the point.

http://www.achgut.com/dadgdx/index.php/dadgd/article/nebel_und_kerzen_im_weissen_haus/

After the totally incompetent Bush gang hijacking the White House, I never would have assumed that the following administration would show an at least comparing if not bigger amount of incompetence. I also could no longer avoid to seriously ask myself the question whether Obama really is that clueless about the issues of relations with the Muhameddan world and the real ideologic motivation of Islam - or whether he knows it, but runs a secret agenda to help and assist it while hiding this from the people.

It simply is too much display of cluelessness in too short time, for my taste, and too much hiding by the White House, and glossing over things. In other words: it stinks.

[Onkel Neal]

The point is that it's a criticism of Islam. You said "Why are the millions of internet people who gleefully knock down Christianity at evey turn cowed and silent in this case?" I showed a case where that wasn't true. That's all, man. :D

Ok, cool. :salute:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Here is the guy we need on the job to fix the middle east:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/KptLehmann/Gordon-Ramsay-f071.jpg

...and his reaction to fanatics being "offended."

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f117/KptLehmann/Gordon-Ramsay-f102.jpg

[Onkel Neal]

Haha, I used to watch that show, it was introduced to me in a college class. I saw the episode where he was working with the wanna-be Mafia guy, and Ramsey was pretty quiet and diplomatic around him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdqP3X_2GhM):arrgh!:

[soopaman2]

I mock all religion. Though I believe in god.

I mock how man has butchered it. I mock how man has used it as a control mechanism and not as a way to find the goodness in themselves.

God put good in everyone, but when you let another human, be it a priest, reverend or imam, twist and construe it, and you buy it up like a Wal-Mart steak...That is what I mock.

Let god do all the talking. That is (hardcore) religious peoples problems. They let the human emmisaries hold more power than your god, whatever you call him.

Why do people look up when reffering to god and down for satan? He is not up there, he is everywhere.
Satan is you, your humanity, the primal animal urges to kill, and destroy people outside your clan, you have to pacify, to be a moral human.

[Tribesman]

Schulz should have condemned the violence and killing and make clear that nobody in the free world will be denied his freedom of speech, insulting or not.


Kloef, after that short clip you posted ends what does he say next?
Can you explain his use of the word "violence"?
Was he condemning it or supporting it?

[Skybird]

I mock all religion. Though I believe in god.

I mock how man has butchered it. I mock how man has used it as a control mechanism and not as a way to find the goodness in themselves.

God put good in everyone, but when you let another human, be it a priest, reverend or imam, twist and construe it, and you buy it up like a Wal-Mart steak...That is what I mock.

Let god do all the talking. That is (hardcore) religious peoples problems. They let the human emmisaries hold more power than your god, whatever you call him.

Why do people look up when reffering to god and down for satan? He is not up there, he is everywhere.
Satan is you, your humanity, the primal animal urges to kill, and destroy people outside your clan, you have to pacify, to be a moral human.

When you trust a mediator to explain to you what cannot be expressed in words and rituals, you have a problem, I would say. It's like using a condom while wanting to get pregnant - something's just in between.

[Tchocky]

I also could no longer avoid to seriously ask myself the question whether Obama really is that clueless about the issues of relations with the Muhameddan world and the real ideologic motivation of Islam - or whether he knows it, but runs a secret agenda to help and assist it while hiding this from the people.

Oh good. We're doing this.

[August]

I mock all religion. Though I believe in god.

I mock how man has butchered it. I mock how man has used it as a control mechanism and not as a way to find the goodness in themselves.

God put good in everyone, but when you let another human, be it a priest, reverend or imam, twist and construe it, and you buy it up like a Wal-Mart steak...That is what I mock.

Let god do all the talking. That is (hardcore) religious peoples problems. They let the human emmisaries hold more power than your god, whatever you call him.

Why do people look up when reffering to god and down for satan? He is not up there, he is everywhere.
Satan is you, your humanity, the primal animal urges to kill, and destroy people outside your clan, you have to pacify, to be a moral human.

I pretty much see it the same way. Every religion agrees that God is perfect and man is fallible. To me that means organized religion, being an invention of man is therefore fallible too. But religions aren't just about belief in a deity. They are a system of control as you say but they also provide a social structure that supports the community in many important ways.

Having said that though, notice that the depictions in the Onion cartoon for example don't make fun of the religions themselves, ie the priests or rabbis etc, they target the deities. In other words, the insult is to the belief itself, not the religion.

I believe as long as the opponents of religion fail to make and maintain a distinction between the two their message will only continue to cause ill feeling and strife. But maybe that's the whole point?

[soopaman2]

Jesus walks into a hotel, slams 3 nails on the desk and says...

"Can you put me up for the night?"


I can go on and on, But found no jokes about other prophets or dieties, outside of harmless cartoons.

Nowhere near as offensive as the joke I put above.

Muzzies are sensitive, and just looking for an excuse to hate someone other than their own oppressive government.

I love to to trash things like this, but these guys really are zany. It is beyond comedic. Just sad.

Christians at least gave up the crusades, but it is alive and well a few hundred years later with them. Perhaps they can make a deal with all the negro slave reparation folks, and form a super conglomerate of "America Sucks and should pay us"

Jesus preached forgiveness, yet he is a minor prophet to them (Esau/Isa they called him) Mentioned alot in the quran, actually his name is said more than Muhammads was.

Can't have that in a religion whos main prophet did nothing but wage war and constant forced conversions. Even when the crusades stopped, the Christians were still the enemy.

Got nothing better to do?

Thier past is no cleaner than any others, and deserve no special treatment.

[mookiemookie]

Jesus walks into a hotel, slams 3 nails on the desk and says...

"Can you put me up for the night?"


I can go on and on, But found no jokes about other prophets or dieties, outside of harmless cartoons.

Nowhere near as offensive as the joke I put above.

Muzzies are sensitive, and just looking for an excuse to hate someone other than their own oppressive government.

I love to to trash things like this, but these guys really are zany. It is beyond comedic. Just sad.

Christians at least gave up the crusades, but it is alive and well a few hundred years later with them. Perhaps they can make a deal with all the negro slave reparation folks, and form a super conglomerate of "America Sucks and should pay us"

Jesus preached forgiveness, yet he is a minor prophet to them (Esau/Isa they called him) Mentioned alot in the quran, actually his name is said more than Muhammads was.

Can't have that in a religion whos main prophet did nothing but wage war and constant forced conversions. Even when the crusades stopped, the Christians were still the enemy.

Got nothing better to do?

Thier past is no cleaner than any others, and deserve no special treatment.

I'm not so sure they view Christianity itself as the enemy (well, the majority...you're always going to have the fringe groups). Mohammed himself said that Christians were to be protected. (http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/charter1.html) I think they see the West as the enemy. In their eyes, they're just taking revenge for a long line of slights, both real and perceived.

But then again, I could be wrong. Who knows.

[soopaman2]

I'm not so sure they view Christianity itself as the enemy (well, the majority...you're always going to have the fringe groups). Mohammed himself said that Christians were to be protected. (http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/charter1.html) I think they see the West as the enemy. In their eyes, they're just taking revenge for a long line of slights, both real and perceived.

But then again, I could be wrong. Who knows.


http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm


I am pretty convinced, in my experience the only thing worse than an infidel, is a munafiqun (hypocrite) the crutch they use to condemn, and goad a questioning muslim into the cause. Your either with us or against us.

I am not saying they are wrong and we are right, just saying that they are the ones perpetuating this violence, the ones keeping it going.

Nothing less than dying in the act of killing a non believer is heaven to them.

(Im glad they know who is President of the US, or who makes filthy cartoons about them, but we do not care one iota about their stupid country, or who runs it, or the mullahs name.)

Grow up, become responsible for yourselves, stop forsaking things because some guy who drinks goats milk, and lives in a tent says America is the source of all evil. So what if his beard is long, he is still most likely full of it.

[Tribesman]

Oh good. We're doing this.
It makes a change from the Catholics are secretly running the green party to take over the EU and hand it to the secret muslims to help the French.
But hey you shouldn't expect any better from him as he makes as much sense as his friends who rant about secret jewish plots running the banks and media.


Grow up, become responsible for yourselves, stop forsaking things because some guy who drinks goats milk, and lives in a tent says America is the source of all evil. So what if his beard is long, he is still most likely full of it.
Well said, however your link is about as good as Skybirds film friends where they sell the Nazi propoganda.
Don't fall into the trap of criticising a bunch of idiots by using another bunch of idiots as your source materiel.

[AVGWarhawk]

Why the continued talk of a movie that spurned an attack that involved the use of grenade launchers? I don't know of any protests that involves heavy weapons. Terrorist attacks however are a different story.

[Tribesman]

Why the continued talk of a movie that spurned an attack that involved the use of grenade launchers? I don't know of any protests that involves heavy weapons. Terrorist attacks however are a different story.
The link between the stories is clear, probably neither the terrorists or the protesters have seen the movie, neither really knows what they are doing or why and both are claiming some sort of religious motive which is itself contradictory to the religion they claim to be following.

[Kloef]

Kloef, after that short clip you posted ends what does he say next?
Can you explain his use of the word "violence"?
Was he condemning it or supporting it?

He did say 'that(the movie) it is really humiliating the feelings of alot of people all over the world'

So correct me if i'm wrong, this man finds it more important to condemn a movie and take into account the 'feelings' of alot of people all around the world. The deaths don't mean nothing to him, 'their' feelings were hurt...

Shortsighted? So all Muslims are hurt, well thanks to his words they are now all the same, not individuals..

This guy''s bacon slipped of the egg, his deck is missing a card, his wires are crossed and his headlights are not burning..

He will be unemployed real soon, people want his resignation..

[Skybird]

Well. Look at the scriptures of the three desert dogmas. The Thora. The Bible. The Quran. And read how they all describe what pain and agony, what torture and eternal torment, what perverse diversity of sadistic pain-inducing practicing awaits those not believing in them.

Compared to that cosmic truckload of pervert barbarism by which the infidel will be eternally punished, this movie now is a love letter to Muhammad.

From the Quran:

The infidel is before hell, and will be given a drink of purulent water. He will gulp it but will hardly swallow it. And death will come to him from everywhere, but he is not to die. And before him is a massive punishment. (14,16-17) He will gulp it but will hardly [be able to] swallow it. And death will come to him from everywhere, but he is not to die. And before him is a massive punishment. - They will not (in hell) taste any coolness or drink , except scalding water and [foul] purulence -(78,25) - and For them will be a drink of scalding water and a painful punishment because they used to disbelieve., ( 6,70), - those who abide eternally in the Fire and are given to drink scalding water that will sever their intestines (47,15) - But those who disbelieved will have cut out for them garments of fire. Poured upon their heads will be scalding water, By which is melted that within their bellies and [their] skins. And for [striking] them are maces of iron. Every time they want to get out of Hellfire from anguish, they will be returned to it, and , "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire!" (22,19-22) - Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe (8,55) ***8211; [Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip." That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty. "That [is yours], so taste it." And indeed for the disbelievers is the punishment of the Fire. O you who have believed, when you meet those who disbelieve advancing [for battle], do not turn to them your backs [in flight]. And whoever turns his back to them on such a day, unless swerving [as a strategy] for war or joining [another] company, has certainly returned with anger [upon him] from Allah , and his refuge is Hell - and wretched is the destination. (8,12-16).

And I am seriously expected to pay respect to something that threatens me with all this sh!t from the gully of a perverted mind? I should wish to get along with it, tolerate it, not criticising it, not touching it? What does it tell me about the mindset of somebody - devout believer or Islamophile useful dhimmi - if he tells me I should pay more respect to it, and not provoke its angry reaction?

Because it is not just Islam - "Biblism" is not any better:

You must destroy all the peoples the Lord your God gives over to you. Do not look on them with pity and do not serve their gods, for that will be a snare to you.You may say to yourselves, ***8220;These nations are stronger than we are. How can we drive them out? (Deu 7, 16-17) - The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. (Mathew 13, 41-43) - Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. (Rom 1, 28-31).

We are seriously expected to pay respect to ideologies, to people thinking about us like this^...??? And I am expected to not think about believing in these things in terms of insanity, mental disease, psychosis? [I][B]All dieses mutet man mir ernsthaft zu...??? A mutilation of my thinking, a raping of my intellect? And I should stay put - else...?

Dear Muslim mob, dear religious zealot of any faith, dear hater and fanatic: my respect and tolerance you just cannot afford, for it is precious and thus needs to be earned: All you can get for free from me is my spit in your face, my resistance to your aggression, my determination against your rage, my freedom defeating your tyranny.

[Kloef]

All you can get for free from me is my spit in your face, my resistance to your aggression, my determination against your rage, my freedom defeating your tyranny.

And very long posts:har::up:

But seriously, all that spitting, resisting defending and what else is alot of energy wasted on something useless because the problem is relatively small, it's not just 'them' , 'we' are stirring things up too! I'd rather take a nap. Or have dinner or something else that's constructive..

By discussing this to the end of time we are doing them a favour because we make 'them' feel more important than they are, somehow all that attention gives these people a purpose in life..how sad is that?

The quotes in your post is one of the reasons i turned my back to religion, faith is another thing..at a certain point in my life i just found out that they were tools of ancient power hungry tirants, not as it was intended in my opinion. So i've returned to the source and i only believe in some sort of God being out there, human or spirit, a birthplace of stars like you can see in several nebulas in space is God to me too..the rest is invented by humans and means nothing to me, just words written down by someone.

[Skybird]

Forum software once again has crippled the quotes of Sura and verse numbers. Not my fault.

[Tribesman]

He did say 'that(the movie) it is really humiliating the feelings of alot of people all over the world'
So correct me if i'm wrong, this man finds it more important to condemn a movie and take into account the 'feelings' of alot of people all around the world. The deaths don't mean nothing to him, 'their' feelings were hurt...


But what did he say about the violence, you are trying to argue on a false premise.
The fact that the movie has been seen as humiliating the feelings of some people around the world is a simple fact, it is undeniable, there can be no fault with expressing those words.
Your only arguement would be if he expressed those words yet failed to condemn the violence.
It was a simple question for ya, when your short clip gets cut off mid speech what does he say next?
I would repeat the question in its entirety but you quoted it in full before refusing to answer it.

You were asked a loaded question I think you know it was a loaded question and the fact that you have carried on with the same arguement pretending that the short clip was all that was said would seem to illustrate that you know your arguement is false but don't want to face that fact.

[Kloef]

The stranscript:

http://ec.europa.eu/avservices/video/shotlist.cfm?ref=86778

He condemnes the violence too, i guess you are right..

A little media manipulation i would say:D

Thanks for clearing that up:salute:

But:

You were asked a loaded question I think you know it was a loaded question and the fact that you have carried on with the same arguement pretending that the short clip was all that was said would seem to illustrate that you know your arguement is false but don't want to face that fact.

You got that wrong, i ddin't pretend anything the clip was the only information i saw and i didn't read the transcript for whatever reason, if i had i would not have posted the clip..so my bad.

[Tribesman]

That was a quick edit you did, I was just about to go into one on your post.
Edited to add, I apologise for ....
the fact that you have carried on with the same arguement pretending that the short clip was all that was said would seem to illustrate that you know your arguement is false but don't want to face that fact. ......as you clearly didn't know, which is no surprise as nearly all the videos and quotes of the piece cut off at the same mid point.

[Kloef]

No problem:up:

Just goes to show we probably are all manipulated, the only truth i guess would be to go there personally and have a look around..

[Kloef]

I'm removing the link to that manipulated clip in my posts before others see it, the clip is not complete and could provoke reactions based on incomplete information provided by me..and i don't want to be inresponsible on this forum:smug:

[Betonov]

I was talking with some of my Bosnian co-workers today.

They're outraged by this and will protest by boycoting all Google owned sites (since Youtube won't pull the video off) for 2 days in september.

I wish all muslims would be like them Bosnians.

[eddie]

But they are not Betonov, right now they are having a "Day of Love" in Pakistan, 15 dead already! I'm trying to figure out how killing 15 protesters and wounding 100 more, hurts those bad western countries.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/21/14005738-pakistan-day-of-love-protests-over-anti-islam-film-descend-into-deadly-violence

[mookiemookie]

The funny thing is they think Americans care about these protests. Your average American sees a 10 second snippet on the news of a bunch of angry brown people a-burnin' and a-yellin' and a-killin' and then shrugs and flips the channel over to Here Comes Honey Boo Boo (http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/tv/here-comes-honey-boo-boo/videos/bbq-with-the-family.htm), farts, and rolls over on the couch.

[AVGWarhawk]

A better part of America was watching Honey Boo Boo during the conventions! Come on Mookie, you have a little warm spot in your heart for Honey Boo Boo and her family. :yep:

[mookiemookie]

A better part of America was watching Honey Boo Boo during the conventions! Come on Mookie, you have a little warm spot in your heart for Honey Boo Boo and her family. :yep:

I live in Texas. You don't have to drive too far out of the city to see Honey Boo Boo types up close and personal. :D

[Takeda Shingen]

Here Comes Honey Boo Boo (http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/tv/here-comes-honey-boo-boo/videos/bbq-with-the-family.htm)

I had never even heard of that. It says something when you have to put english subtitles over english speech.

[AVGWarhawk]

I had never even heard of that. It says something when you have to put english subtitles over english speech.

Come on Tak, You're a fan. Probably have a mug and t-shirt :yep:


Honestly, I never hear of it until my wife was hard timing her cousin for watching it. One hour will turn your brain to liquid mush.

[Takeda Shingen]

Come on Tak, You're a fan. Probably have a mug and t-shirt :yep:

Woah! Do you work for Homeland Security or something? How the hell did you know I was wearing my shirt and drinking out of my mug? Was gonna ride my four wheeler down to the BBQ shack later too.

[AVGWarhawk]

Woah! Do you work for Homeland Security or something? How the hell did you know I was wearing my shirt and drinking out of my mug? Was gonna ride my four wheeler down to the BBQ shack later too.

:har: :up:

[eddie]

Never saw this coming, protests in Libya, against the militants who attacked our consulate

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/21/14018495-protesting-libyans-overrun-militant-compound-in-backlash-against-armed-groups?lite

[soopaman2]

Never saw this coming, protests in Libya, against the militants who attacked our consulate

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/21/14018495-protesting-libyans-overrun-militant-compound-in-backlash-against-armed-groups?lite


Thats kinda an easy one eddie :)

We have a few aircraft carriers, and alot of troops somewhat close by. (with 22k leaving Afghanistan, they can make a detour)

Plus were it not for action by unified forces including the US, they would currently be in a huge, bloody civil war like Syria right now. Or outright butchered by all the bombs Ghaddafi was content with dropping on them from jets.

Some people appreciate the right to choose what they want in a government, even if they go to the muslim brotherhood, it is their right to choose. The west gave them the aid to accomplish that.

[eddie]

Just surprised when you concider all the protests against us right now, is all I mean't.:)

[soopaman2]

Just surprised when you concider all the protests against us right now, is all I mean't.:)

It is surprising, but encouraging too.

We have been indoctrinated to think them all as animals, confusing the extremists with the people who just want to live.

I bet more of them go to work to feed their family, and not once do infidels cross their mind.

But we are exposed to the flag burners, and dancing on 9-11 crowd.

They have the same problems we do, feed your family, and live a happy life. Most of all, stability.

We take our stability for granted. As bad as it has been for some of us, we have it damn good...See my sig...Noooobody.

[Onkel Neal]

From the Quran:

The infidel is before hell, and will be given a drink of purulent water. He will gulp it but will hardly [be able to] swallow it. And death will come to him from everywhere, but he is not to die. And before him is a massive punishment. (14,16-17) He will gulp it but will hardly [be able to] swallow it. And death will come to him from everywhere, but he is not to die. And before him is a massive punishment. - They will not (in hell) taste any coolness or drink , except scalding water and [foul] purulence -(78,25) - and For them will be a drink of scalding water and a painful punishment because they used to disbelieve., ( 6,70), - those who abide eternally in the Fire and are given to drink scalding water that will sever their intestines (47,15) - But those who disbelieved will have cut out for them garments of fire. Poured upon their heads will be scalding water, By which is melted that within their bellies and [their] skins. .

Shoot, that sounds just like one of my summer rides across West Texas, and I do that for fun :sunny:



The funny thing is they think Americans care about these protests. Your average American sees a 10 second snippet on the news of a bunch of angry brown people a-burnin' and a-yellin' and a-killin' and then shrugs and flips the channel over to Here Comes Honey Boo Boo (http://tlc.howstuffworks.com/tv/here-comes-honey-boo-boo/videos/bbq-with-the-family.htm), farts, and rolls over on the couch.



Haha, it didn't take me that long, maybe 6 seconds and I went over to football.

PS: I love your a-descriptin' :haha:


I live in Texas. You don't have to drive too far out of the city to see Honey Boo Boo types up close and personal. :D



Hey now, don't go bein' all-intolerant of us country folk. We ain't black but our feelings can be hurt by bigotry too. ;)

[mookiemookie]

Hey now, don't go bein' all-intolerant of us country folk. We ain't black but our feelings can be hurt by bigotry too. ;)

I was inferring places like Tomball, Cleveland and Cut and Shoot. Pearland is the big city compared to those places. :03: