You're being logged

[Skybird]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19474829

For right this reason I have always totally avoided any filesharing service and torrents. To me they are a digital version of honeypot traps.


"You don't have to be a mass downloader. Someone who downloads a single movie will be logged as well," said Dr Tom Chothia, who led the research.
"If the content was in the top 100 it was monitored within hours," he said. "Someone will notice and it will be recorded."

I am certain that you are also logged when downloading legal files, let's say a big mod, via a torrent. Just going there have you holding up a sign saying "Here I am, craving for your attention, please log me."

Alles Toifelszoich!

I welcome that they catch pirates that way. But this comes at a big price for the legally acting users.

[Herr-Berbunch]

The only thing that worries me is the legal sharing is still, if popular enough, monitored, with no discrimination between the two. :o

That must mean I'm guilty. :arrgh!:

[Ducimus]

Umm, EVERYTHING you do on the internet is logged. If not by some 3rd party, then by your employer or your ISP.

Now if they bother to sift through those logs is another story.

[Jimbuna]

Umm, EVERYTHING you do on the internet is logged. If not by some 3rd party, then by your employer or your ISP.

Now if they bother to sift through those logs is another story.

Precisely :yep:

[Skybird]

The point of thje story is they found that torrent sites not only get monitored, but the data on people IS being reviewed and assessed by somebody. It is no automatic storage of undiscriminatory raw data like for example ISP traffic logs being saved and that's to that.

Itz is oftenj said that the US since many years is capable to overhear practically all communication done anywhere by electronic means. I am certain that this is true - just that it is highly advanced filter mechnaism automatically processing all the data being caught instead of human operators sitting there with headphones on their ears. Those days are over for the most. The alarms of today get called out by filtering software. Not only is computer processing the only way to analyse and to deal with the ammount of global data traffic - it is also the one way which for sure does not leave it to the fields of science fiction that all global traffic indeed is beign tracked. That is no paranoia or conspiration theory at all. It simply is reality.

Wolfgang Schäuble some weeks ago said he wants to ban the use opf coins and banknotes and wants to do like thew Swedes: all payment traffic is done electronically. That way, says Schäuble, the state'S monitoring of all and every financial transaction of all the state'S citizens would be complete. The illegal ones - and the legal ones as well. But who on itors the monitors?

The BBC recently has refused to participate in the remembering or honouring of George Orwell, I read a couple of days ago. Sign of the times.

[CCIP]

I'm not saying that this is not an issue, but what is the point you're trying to make, besides what is already self-evident? As the Russian saying goes, "Afraid of wolves - don't go in the forest".

[Stealhead]

Umm, EVERYTHING you do on the internet is logged. If not by some 3rd party, then by your employer or your ISP.

Now if they bother to sift through those logs is another story.

Very true and this fact means that law enforcement can request in one form on another that logged information from your ISP.

This really should not be of very much concern unless you committed a crime.Of course it does open up a can of worms as to what they should be able to look at and when.It would take a huge amount of resources to sit down and look at every ones logs though.Still for the foreseeable future unless you are doing something that you really should not be like illegal porn or planning a murder over facebook you are pretty safe I think and of course one would have to commit the illegal act before their ISP information is ever viewed.

Now certain employers might be much more likely to observe you like the military for example I had a friend that did this in the Air Force he could actually see what you where doing on a AF owned PC in real time they bust people for viewing pron all the time that way that or by looking into the logs.They do the same thing on land lines.My step dad used to catch B-52 SAC crews saying way too much over the phone in the 60s he'd report them and they'd be standing tall before the man but that is more about security and it was just practice for snooping in on Soviet radio networks which was much more challenging.I do not see the average person having to worry about being observed closely like that.

The guys that I get a kick out of are the ones that use the so called "spoofing" ISPs which I imagine fools no one.

The idea that the NSA can listen in on the worlds or even the just the US electronic conversations is just pure fantasy they would need millions of employees just to correlate the gathered data.What they can do is focus on the serious threats.

I do not trust any government do not get me wrong on that but to truly have control in a George Orwell style you need lots of human eyes and ears working for you even in societies like Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union that had a lot of this they did not know everything.

Afraid of Wolves don't do anything do anything.

[Ducimus]

.It would take a huge amount of resources to sit down and look at every ones logs though.

Not really. Company I work for makes a product for that.

[Tribesman]

The BBC recently has refused to participate in the remembering or honouring of George Orwell, I read a couple of days ago.
You really ought to avoid the Daily Mail.:doh:

The BBC said thank you for the offer but there is already a new statue there, could it be put at Portland Place instead.
The statue already there is dedicated to the world service, the set of commisions which produced that statue for the public spaces outside the offices and studios also produced a statue dedicated to ...yes you guessed it...George Orwell.
So the BBC turned down a statue for George Orwell because they refuse to participate in remembering or honouring him...... yet produced their own statue honouring him:doh:
Doesn't it really top off the nonsense Skybird swallowed from the Daily Mail that the art they did already put up for Orwell just happens to be about his book 1984.

[MH]

:D99% of traffic by torrent is illegal anyway so what is to complain about here.
Lets assume someone is monitoring the traffic,why should i care as a client.
I would not.
Is BBC trying to scare people out of using the torentzzzzz........:yawn::yawn::yawn:
Big brother is watching you...run to the hills....:haha:

[gimpy117]

As far as I know, They get you by logging the files you upload, Ie: you willingly send out. If you are seeding a file, the record the info you send

They cannot however, scrub your packets downloading legally

[mapuc]

Since I first saw this thread, I've been searching the internet for an article that was in the swedish online newspaper and the tv-news a while ago.

The article was about some that have been caught downloading some movie(a swedish movie) the said that they had marked that movie and follow it's way to thise people.

Furthermore the article said, that these that usually get caught a the small fishes. The big fish, knows how to protect them self through vpn and other stuff(the article didn't say how)

I say-do it legal and you are safe and you help actors, programmer a.s.o to get paid for their jobs.

Markus

[Stealhead]

Not really. Company I work for makes a product for that.

I am thinking in terms of manpower even if you have a program that does some things for you would still need someone to go in and verify the hits and such.You still need someone to do something about what the program finds.

I think it would not be so simple to monitor all phone and internet based conversations in the US that is a lot of information coming and actually use that information in real time not weeks or months later.We are talking about millions of conversations a day.If they really can do that then I have a bullet for anyone who wants to listen to me no joking come and get it.

If they can really do that then organized crime would be history and there is plenty of that going on in the US of A.

[Ducimus]

I am thinking in terms of manpower even if you have a program that does some things for you would still need someone to go in and verify the hits and such.You still need someone to do something about what the program finds.
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That's true, but alot depends on how robust the program is. The product I'm referring to, can tell you who's been looking at what type of content, when, and for how long; all presented on a high level report that you can drill down into to get the nitty gritty specifics. If a customer (someone who's got our products) has cause to look, they can see where their users spend thier time at a glance.

[Stealhead]

I am sure that the NSA and FBI likely has more capable software than what you speak of as well.The only thing is they the FBI at least would have to have a warrant to use it against you.

Now the NSA would be a different story but they are much more concerned with observing threats to our interests around the world so they are looking for very specific things as well they are so busy doing this that they have not the time or need to spy on every american.

Cell phones are nothing more than a fancy walkie talkie and anyone can listen in one if they are on the same frequency if they really wanted to.What people will have learned by the past few years world events it would be to not use the internet and cell phones for anything more than spreading your ideas planning actions is a bad a idea and can be observed by anyone.Things said from one person to another are much harder to eavesdrop on.

Now the regular every day things a person might talk about no one really cares and those go into the "not important" file on you at the NSA.:haha:

The way I look at it if you are using a work PC dont mess around and do your job you are there to work not look at porn(shocker I know) and anywhere else dont do things that are illegal and you will be just fine.

[Task Force]

That's it! I am going back to paper cups and string!:D Its the way of the future I say!

[soopaman2]

Scare tactics.

Anyone worth thier salt in filesharing will not get caught. While much harder nowadays, it can still be safe if you know what you are doing. They only catch morons, and grandmothers.

What gets people caught is downloading trap torrent, or when companies "watch" torrents. Usually by checking the ISPs of other peers, and having a lawyer try to intimidate the ISP provider.

Usually you get a slap on the wrist letter telling you not to do it anymore. (HBO watches thier torrents like a hawk, so does Showtime, they do not bother taking them down, they download it themselves, so they can see the IPs, so technically, they are stealing too) Can even consider it entrapment, as it is rumored they put some up themselves (RIAA).

I may or may not know a guy who got one letter in thier entire life, and have been doing it since before people knew who Bram Cohen was.:03:

[TarJak]

Our government is setting up some kind of totalitarian regime for logging all internet traffic into and out of the country. Just what we need: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/roxon-edges-towards-keeping-online-data-for-two-years-20120903-25amz.html

[the_tyrant]

Seedboxes are a must for big downloader
What it is, is a virtual machine you rent, you login to it remotely and torrent from there

That is how I get my porn when I'm in China

nothing! can stop me

Fapfapfap

[Herr-Berbunch]

Seedboxes are a must for big downloader
What it is, is a virtual machine you rent, you login to it remotely and torrent from there

That is how I get my porn when I'm in China

nothing! can stop me

Fapfapfap

POTY :yeah:

[Stealhead]

Our government is setting up some kind of totalitarian regime for logging all internet traffic into and out of the country. Just what we need: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/roxon-edges-towards-keeping-online-data-for-two-years-20120903-25amz.html

Now that is a government going too far if you ask me.Logging people that use illegal torrents is one thing (and that stuff is done by companies).When a government actually tells its people to their face that they want to long what everyone does regardless then you have a problem.They already took the guns away down there did they not?:hmmm:

Sometimes I think that when governments implement or plan to implement such things they are really trying to scare people into thinking that they need it to be safe when really it is a control.

Like I said earlier certain things should be said from your mouth it is much easier for a government to control electronic and phone based communication not so easy to do so with verbal.You have to be careful what you say around whom though depending on what you are talking about.I saw these two women the other day while I was walking into the store these women did not know that I was there and they where talking about something that they where going to "rig" that was all that I over heard because they stopped talking as soon as they saw me but the word rig and the sudden silence did get my attention not like I go around snooping on people but I could hear what they where saying.