[WIP] IJN Musashi

[iowa101]

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4982/musashi194302.jpg

WELCOME TO YOSHIDA & KARLE'S NEXT PROJECT

IJN MUSASHI

Me and karle are working on bring the IJN Musashi, which will be accurate to it's blue prints and to it's statistics. While taking a look around the models of the game in S3D I found that the Yamato wasn't all that accurate and it wasn't even close in some respects. I looked around and found that adding another Yamato mod would be a waste of time and well, wouldn't serve my interests just adding onto a list of like three mods.

I have found the perfectly detailed model, tweaked and optimized it and have decided with Karle's expertise that we're going to add her as a playable and AI ship, She'll be playable for 1.5 for now on the US side due to the back story I'm giving the Mod. I'm hoping that once she's in game and tested, if any of the creators of the bigger mods such as the FOTRS and others would like her in their mods then it would be my please to allow that, as long as credit is given to both Me and Karle.

Here are three images of her, and her armaments:

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/803/imageone.jpg

Notice the level of detail around the aft of the ship, with the basic game model all that detail is lost, also the stern of the ship is modelled incorrectly and it really does look a lot better, when one only takes the time. Also the Bow of the ship is now correct but there are some details that need to be addressed, like the famous crest and a minor correction that needs addressing.

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/6716/imagetwom.jpg

Here is the main turrets, done very nicely and only a few slight changes need to be made to them, notice the level of detail on the turret, everything you see in that model is historically correct and will most certainly add to the ships realism. Will also be adding the AA gun mounts to them as she did in fact have them as well.

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/118/imagethree.jpg

And this is her secondary turret, very nice detail and again very accurate to photos and reference images found on Google. All these models have been broken down to smaller sized files to allow for easier insertion into S3D and the the game.
Here is a link to an image detailing the ship in great detail.
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1778/musashi1944.png

The texture I'm putting on the ship will be the one shown in the Image at the top of this topic, Notice the tints of gold on the weapons, all of the Musashi's guns will have these gold tinted barrels, I will also be giving her the same dark grey, with the beautiful colored deck and the misty grey covers on the main guns. I hope that this mod will live up to your hope for it will be our greatest work.

[calinho]

AMAZING :yeah:

The stock Yamato is so wrong

Keep up the good work :up:

[jhapprich]

where`s the model from?

[iowa101]

Blend swap, Just working on getting the model into one file to export and send to Karle for Resizing and correct positioning.

[iowa101]

Looking at possible materials to assign to the Musashi, there is an image that shows a surface like material that gives it an uneven look, I'll post a pick once I've finished with the model. And you guys tell me what you think.

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http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/9950/updatesn.jpg

Notice the way it looks, almost like a wallpaper texture, I don't yet know how to make this material so I'm going to do some research on it. Hopefully also I'd like to know what those covers are on the deck gun barrels, I need to do some research.

[iowa101]

Here is a shot of the super structure, with the weapons (Not all of them due to the size) as you can see I've taken the liberty of adding the AA mounts to the deck guns, hope you like it so far :salute:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3902/updatelh.jpg

I'm now working on the deck, hull, rudder and propeller, will post again soon.

[Gibbs1]

Amazing. :yep:

[iowa101]

Here is the whole model, I added the wires you can see in the top image as well as the railings around the ship

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/6094/updatedp.jpg

Hope you like the model, I'm now hoping to get started on preparing her for the game.

[Yamato_NF]

Definitely a must watch mod!
Can I suggest making her playable for the US first? As this might add some uniqueness over other Yamato class playables.

Yamato_NF
PS: how many polygons?? And what software??

[iowa101]

My intention was to make her playable on US side first due to me wanting to take her against a Yamato. I am going to allow those responsible FOTRS to make her playable for that campaign but we'll see what happens.

And she is close to 900k verts, and just under 1,700,000 faces, poly's I have no idea but she's pretty big.

[Yamato_NF]

My intention was to make her playable on US side first due to me wanting to take her against a Yamato. I am going to allow those responsible FOTRS to make her playable for that campaign but we'll see what happens.

And she is close to 900k verts, and just under 1,700,000 faces, poly's I have no idea but she's pretty big.

Great! One question though: will it have a fully modeled bridge??
EDIT: if I could I will make a full damage model ie taking multiple torpedo hits, sinking agonizingly slow, etc
Can't wait!

[iowa101]

I've been looking for plans, or photos of the bridge of the yamato class but I'm finding it difficult to find any reference images, I'd love a damage model for the ship, If you want message me with some ideas or post them on the topic so that others can give their own ideas on it.

[Karle94]

I do believe that the stock damage model should suffice.

[Yamato_NF]

Yoshida, I was thinking of a high detail model, with full sinking mechanics, enhanced damage threshold and, of course, accurate sensors with accurate damage thresholds, plus a little eye candy for the model won't hurt, ie when a hole is blown in the deck, you can see down into the ship instead of empty space, plus it would be in full 3d, I can take care of the Damage thresholds and karle or you could do the 3d work.
I got permission from someone to do a Yamato playable for the US a while back, and I have the files on my external that I could use for a template.
I will look around the interweb for a pic/layout of the musashis bridge.

Yamato_NF

[chrysanthos]

she was the first queen of the sea

[iowa101]

Yamato that sounds brilliant, though the detail on the model itself is quite high I would like to see a good damage model, Also the sinking mechanics and the realism of the damage threshold would be a key factor in this mod I would welcome the help, Karle is currently working with the model and the damage model would have to be the same size, so when Karle is able to send me a properly resized and positioned ship I will take time to hopefully develop a detailed damage model.

And I would be grateful if you could work on the Damage threshold for us Yamato, thank you.

[Yamato_NF]

Great! I'll start the damage model code once I find my template,
And karle, how's the model going?

Yamato_NF

[tomhugill]

Ive already created a much improved damage model for the stock Yamato that was made playable. I think using the techniques developed by polyfiller for tswsm would be better again. Also why make her for the US campaign surely much better for the German campaign getting to go after her real enemies!

[Yamato_NF]

Ive already created a much improved damage model for the stock Yamato that was made playable. I think using the techniques developed by polyfiller for tswsm would be better again. Also why make her for the US campaign surely much better for the German campaign getting to go after her real enemies!

That's my template! Oh, and I'd like to ask permission first!:O:
Thanks,
Yamato_NF

[Yamato_NF]

I will have to unfortunately delay my start,
Details:
I had a critical failure on my pc 2 weeks ago and have been borrowing a friends pc until my laptop comes, and my backup on my external has no signs of my mods on backup. So I will have to learn to start from scratch. :/\\!!
In addition, I have had a family emergency come up. So RL is catching up.

Anyway, I'll tell ya when I get started.

Yamato_NF

[iowa101]

Start when you can Yamato, I have just received a new computer, and need to re-download all the programs I need for modding, also I need to transfer a lot over to her and it's going to take time.

[Yamato_NF]

Good news, and bad news.
I can start in 4-6 days.
and my new 8 core rig parts arrive with my gaming laptop in 3 days.
so I can start after I setup shop.
Ps if anyone can pm me some advice. That would be appreciated. As I am a complete noob with s3d.

Bad news: I still have to start from scratch. So might take me a while!

Yamato_NF

[iowa101]

I'd try Jhapprich, Karle94 seeing as they release a lot of mods and will have good experience with this sort of thing I should imagine.

[jhapprich]

sorry, no time for that.

[Yamato_NF]

Good news, my laptop and parts arrived at 4:30 PM yesterday.
so i can start working as soon as i find a good template and advice, and when i set up shop.

im typing this on the new laptop :woot:

alls thats left is putting the desktop together, and getting advice/a template.

[iowa101]

I am working on building up my skills with textures, also trying to locate some images of the Musashi's bridge to try and model to some degree of success a decent view point from which to take her into battle :up:

[Yamato_NF]

a little status update:
i have my new PC all built and ready,
installing the OS as we speak and running diagnostics on hardware,:salute:
ill start tomorrow, but no promises as i may or may not have college work.:O:

Yamato_NF

[Yamato_NF]

sorry to put this in, but can anyone give me some coaching with S3D?

[iowa101]

Karle is now working on re-sizing the Musashi and I do believe it will take a while do to it being rather taxing on his computer, I'm busy looking for reference images on the Musashi's bridge but I'm finding it difficult to dig up any images that aren't of the external variety.

It might be due to the fact that not a lot of photos would have been taken of Japanese ships during WW2, I might be able to find something down the Library on the ship but I'll have to wait till Monday before I can check it out.

[Yamato_NF]

another status update:
i had some college homework to catch up on,
done now. ill start digging into the files to see what i can do...

but im thinking about basing it off of the existing IJN Yamato's damage model by
tomhugill, i have a copy of it somewhere on my hard drive, i am sure.
problem is ill have to run data recovery to find it!:/\\!!

anyway, great to see that things are coming...

Yamato_NF
P.S. if karle cant get it resized, id be happy to try; as i have an 8 core PC with a great GFX chipset now :O:

[iowa101]

Very Nice, What can you do with textures?? I want to add the texture shown in the image on the first post of the topic.

[Yamato_NF]

im not a big texture guy, but i do 3D modelling, mainly CAD level stuff...
but im guessing you need an AO map and such?

Yamato_NF

[jhapprich]

LOL

[AndytotheD]

Little known fact is that this ship really got nuked compared to the Yamato
Apparently it took twenty torpedo hits compared to the 11 of Yamato.

[iowa101]

She's going to be a beast when she's ready to go into game, I can't wait to create simple mission pitting her against say a few Yamato battleships and see how she compares to them, I'm also going to try and recreate the last battle and see how that turns out too! :()1:

[iowa101]

I've just been down to the library to find some info on the Musashi, though I was hopeful I'd find at least something that could help. Sadly the amount of books on world war 2 comprised of but two books, a shame I know but I'm hoping to find something if I dig deep enough into the vast abyss known as the internet in an attempt to discover something that might be of use.

[tomhugill]

Hey guys, really looking forward to this. You of course have my full permission to use anything from my Yamato mod that you need to get yours sorted. As to skins, miner did a really nice one for the Yamato that might be of use to you. Also would it be possible to work this into the tswsm if we do a Pacific release?

[iowa101]

I'll definately like it to be used with other mods, and the skin might come in handy, but we'll have to see. Karle is working on resizing her at the moment and hopefully he'll have news for me soon enough on that aspect.

[Yamato_NF]

Yoshida,
any news on Karle? :hmmm:

i cant start coding the ship damage model without the model AFAIK

oh, and tomgi, that would be great! thanks!

[Fearless]

Please make it compatible with RFB and could we possibly have an option for a USA version career playable? :D

[iowa101]

Firstly, Karle is still working on the model's superstructure due to it being really heavy and such. Also I hope it wont take to long to get started on preparing her for game...Both on American and other careers, and yes I hope to make it compatible with other mods so hopefully.

[Fearless]

Firstly, Karle is still working on the model's superstructure due to it being really heavy and such. Also I hope it wont take to long to get started on preparing her for game...Both on American and other careers, and yes I hope to make it compatible with other mods so hopefully.

Awesome :up:

[Yamato_NF]

Thanks yoshida for the update:up:

[Fearless]

Talking about changing sides?

Which files need to be changed to make the ship carry the USA flag?

I've the Yamato and dearly would like to change that BB to USA.

[Fearless]

What's the latest on this mod?

[Fearless]

What's happening? No updates for a while :hmm2:

[harada Taro]

I'm sorry to say it bluntly but this is not the Musashi. This might be an halfway reworked Yamato but in no way the Musashi. Yamato and Musashi at their construction shared a secondary gunnery of 4 triple turret 155/60 placed in a diamond shape so always 3 turrets could fire at a given target. In late 1944 Yamato had the port and starboard turret taken away to be replaced by 12 127mm AA gun in 6 double turret, 3 on each side. but the Musashi was never fitted with such gun and kept her 4 triple 155/60 until she went down the sea.

[Karle94]

The two wing turrets were removed in 1944, just as with the Yamato.

In case you don`t believe me: http://ww2db.com/image.php?image_id=6785

[harada Taro]

Sorry That picture is contested. and according Garkze and Dulin (of Naval institute Annapolis in Battleships Axis and neutral battleships of WWII only the Yamato had those changes made on her in 1943. On page 120 there is table listing year by year the number of gun for all caliber. between fall 43 and february 44 the yamato was refitted adding 12 5"/40 in 6 twin turrets while decreasing the 6.1"/60 by two triple turrets. Musashi keeps all 4 triple turrets and stayed with her 12 5"/40 in 6 double turrets. but had at the time of her sinking a little more 25mm gun 130 while yamato 116 qtill increased to 150 at time of yamato's sinking.) I can mail the yamato museum in Kure and ask them if you want.

[Karle94]

I`m not the one you should ask, I`m not the one making the Musashi nor the yam-yam.

[tomhugill]

Harada, your attitude stinks to be honest. I don't see you building any mods your self. To deride other people's work in such a way is out of order, especially given the fact the evidence is contested. Maybe you could phrase your observations in a way People will listen too. £&@* rivet counters

[JapLance]

According to www.combinedfleet.com :

3 April 1944:
MUSASHI arrives at Kure.

10 April 1944:
Enters Kure drydock No. 4. Repairs are made to the hull. Two beam triple 6.1-inch turrets are removed, each is replaced by three triple-mount 25-mm. AA guns. Twenty-one other triple-mount 25-mm. guns and 25 single 25-mm. guns are added. MUSASHI's 150-cm searchlights Nos. 7 and 8 are removed to make room for the single mounts. The searchlights are later reinstalled for use by Sasebo's AA batteries. MUSASHI's final AA suite is one hundred-thirty 25-mm AA guns (35x3, 25x1). A Type 13 radar and a new Type 22 radar-directed fire-control sets are fitted. Depth-charge rails are also installed on the fantail.

22 April 1944:
Undocked.

[Encrusted_Garlic]

Sorry That picture is contested. and according Garkze and Dulin (of Naval institute Annapolis in Battleships Axis and neutral battleships of WWII only the Yamato had those changes made on her in 1943. On page 120 there is table listing year by year the number of gun for all caliber. between fall 43 and february 44 the yamato was refitted adding 12 5"/40 in 6 twin turrets while decreasing the 6.1"/60 by two triple turrets. Musashi keeps all 4 triple turrets and stayed with her 12 5"/40 in 6 double turrets. but had at the time of her sinking a little more 25mm gun 130 while yamato 116 qtill increased to 150 at time of yamato's sinking.) I can mail the yamato museum in Kure and ask them if you want.

Yeah, you come across as a self informed know it all... there are much more tactful ways to bring up a point.. especially when you have a whole month under your belt in a forum as you contest veteran members who have the utmost respect from the community... you would do well to humble yourself and dig deeper in your research before you go around pissing on feet... The Musashi is documented with varied opinions and evidence offered... that being said... the refit being mentioned in the post below me is the most widely accepted. Yours is an opinion at best, being a bit less abrasive and arrogant might get you more results if you are actually looking to advance your knowledge instead of just trying to prove it.

[harada Taro]

First : I've never wanted to be rough to the author of the the mod. He has done a very good work and that I will never contest it. Neither in my poste have I contested the quality of his job. I have just raised the point that removing the 2 triple 6.1 was accurate or not.

The sole thing I say is what historian of Naval instute Annapolis reported in their book. William H Garkze and Robert O Dulin. According them the Musashi never went into such refit only the Yamato did.

That's not an opinion so no need to be rude. Then as it is debated I will contact the Yamato Museum in Kure ask them the question if the Musashi went into such refit or not.

and sorry but I am not 1 month old here... I follow subsim for several years but I've never subscribed as I did not see the need to until I decided to modify one ship created bye Karle and thanks to him the P cruiser which I only slightly edited in adding / fixing turrets. That's not my job, nor my passion to model. It may be yours and that's great, you can do it great I can't. Can you perform an arthrotomy and a tibial plateau leveling osteotomy? I can maybe not you. Each one his job/passion but that doesn't make one superior to the other.

[Yamato_NF]

from what I read, you are coming across as an arrogant kid, just like japlance/encrusted said. so id advise you to bite your tongue. :yep:

contacting the Yamato Museum would only prove you are trying to "piss on boots". again, bite your tongue, and move on. :timeout:

So, that being taken care of,

hows the mod coming along?
ive gotten most of my work done for my master's,
so ill have more time to spend on this and other things :rock:

Yamato_NF

[Karle94]

I can tell a little how it is going to be: It will lag like crazy, even half of the 3D model alone caused my computer to slow down, the program stopped responding for 10-20 seconds just rotating the 3D model. My Arleigh Burke causes some lag, some of you may have noticed it. How do you think this will be? It`s up to you guys but I would have found another 3D model to use, or spice up the SH4 3D model and correct the errors there.

[Encrusted_Garlic]

First : I've never wanted to be rough to the author of the the mod. He has done a very good work and that I will never contest it. Neither in my poste have I contested the quality of his job. I have just raised the point that removing the 2 triple 6.1 was accurate or not.

The sole thing I say is what historian of Naval instute Annapolis reported in their book. William H Garkze and Robert O Dulin. According them the Musashi never went into such refit only the Yamato did.

That's not an opinion so no need to be rude. Then as it is debated I will contact the Yamato Museum in Kure ask them the question if the Musashi went into such refit or not.

and sorry but I am not 1 month old here... I follow subsim for several years but I've never subscribed as I did not see the need to until I decided to modify one ship created bye Karle and thanks to him the P cruiser which I only slightly edited in adding / fixing turrets. That's not my job, nor my passion to model. It may be yours and that's great, you can do it great I can't. Can you perform an arthrotmy and a tibial plateau leveling osteotomy? I can maybe not you. Each one his job/passion but that doesn't make one superior to the other.

I realize my last post came off a bit more "dickish" then i wanted it to so i do apologize for that sincerely... im not trying to be a bully or start a pissing match

Everyone is entitled to an opinion.... just be mindful of the way in which you come across, especially when telling someone that something they are passionate about and put their own free time into is plain out wrong.

But yes as yamato said... best to just move on

Hey and Karle94... you mind me asking what kind of specs you are running on your rig?

[Karle94]

I was afraid you were gonna say something like that. Well, here goes.

Windows XP Sp3 32x
Intel core i7 CPU 920 2,67 Ghz 2,99 gb ram
Sabretooth X58 Motherboard
GeForce GTX 560 Graphic card
2x3 Gb memory bricks
1x1 Tb harddrive, 1x500 Gb harddrive
That`s all I know.

The box is 12kg without the innards and with the innards it`s like lifting a semi-trailer when moving it. I`ve had that box for 14-15 years now, solid steel box. I could drop it from my own height and nothing would happen, unlike the modern leight weight plastic boxes.

Here it is: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.347904458563257.78377.100000311186096&type=3#!/photo.php?fbid=347905401896496&set=a.347904458563257.78377.100000311186096&type=3&theater

[Encrusted_Garlic]

I was afraid you were gonna say something like that. Well, here goes.

Windows XP Sp3 32x
Intel core i7 CPU 920 2,67 Ghz 2,99 gb ram
Sabretooth X58 Motherboard
GeForce GTX 560 Graphic card
2x3 Gb memory bricks
1x1 Tb harddrive, 1x500 Gb harddrive
That`s all I know.

The box is 12kg without the innards and with the innards it`s like lifting a semi-trailer when moving it. I`ve had that box for 14-15 years now, solid steel box. I could drop it from my own height and nothing would happen, unlike the modern leight weight plastic boxes.

Here it is: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.347904458563257.78377.100000311186096&type=3#!/photo.php?fbid=347905401896496&set=a.347904458563257.78377.100000311186096&type=3&theater

Thats awesome! I actually went out of my way to find a solid steel box with all steel inner construction so i know what you say about the new plastic toy ones :rock: I have actually dropped mine during moving here... only thing that broke was everything inside:wah:.... the box was without any kind of damage while the inside was a mangled mess.... thats the asus sabertooth, what do you think of it? I bought a slightly older asus model to save $40 over the sabertooth and kind of hate myself for it.

[Karle94]

Don`t really know what to say about it. It`s already two-three years old, might be time to replace it. It might be malfunctioning, sometimes my computer simply freezes for a few seconds, then goes to normal then freezes. It dose that a few times. It`s very irritating, especially when playing WoT, it freezes, it goes to normal, dead.

[Cybermat47]

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you have to put this in SH5. Why should only SH4 players get awesome mods like this :salute:

[Yamato_NF]

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but you have to put this in SH5. Why should only SH4 players get awesome mods like this :salute:
sorry if i sound a bit harsh, but...
SH5 just does not have the groundwork for playable surface vessels...

[Cybermat47]

sorry if i sound a bit harsh, but...
SH5 just does not have the groundwork for playable surface vessels...

Wait, so it's playable!? Sorry, I thought it was just an AI ship!

[Yamato_NF]

Wait, so it's playable!? Sorry, I thought it was just an AI ship!

no problem!

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

Do you still desire pictures of the bridge? i can get some for you from Japan, from sources in the SDF if you need them still.

nice work on this fine ship, she was a beautiful ship and very important to the nation, in fact she and the Yamato still are very very important to this day.

if and when you upload, please use Media Fire as well as submit here to the library as FileFront is no longer reliable or safe for file storage due to their new policies.

here is a view of the IJN Musashi Bridge..

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/8073/moosebridge.jpg

Foredeck of IJN Musashihttp://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3093/musashiforedeck.jpg

IJN Yamato and IJN Musahi, 1944 Brunei

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/6134/yamatoandmusashi1944bru.jpg

USN ariel battle pic during air attacks...on IJN M

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7087/ijnmusashiunderairattac.jpg

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/9081/musashioct1944.jpg

IJN Musashi Deck plan: red strips to the stern are the lineloum, it was slighty more angled on her sister ship the Yamato, otherwise they were very similar...

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/6591/agomusashiuw9.jpg

here are Japanese data on changing superstructure and deck diagrams..

http://homepage1.nifty.com/watakan/yamato/data/yamato_aa.html

and gentlemen please lets maintain courtesy here, all mean well i am sure.

[Yamato_NF]

Yoshida, any luck with contacting Karle/any news on his progress with the model?? :06:

sorry ive been quiet lately, but i had to study for my exams... :rotfl2::/\\!!

all the best,
Yamato_NF

[Admiral Von Gerlach]

I am eager to see this fine ship come alive in SH, any progress on her? thank you.

[phenomic]

hello boys is the ship ready ?Oo

[tonibamestre]

Hey guys,can we assume this vessel will have an accurate Bridge aswell ?
And after this............... what do you tell me about a detailed Iowa class for a face to face ?

Cheers and good job.

[iowa101]

Hi guys. been really busy with college the last few months. I won't be able to carry on the mod myself but if I can find the original model I will put up a zip file containing her and she'll be yours to complete :) best of luck

[phenomic]

:ping:is it ready oO?

[merc4ulfate]

This is a great mod to play with but the time frame of it's arrival in the war with the game is a bit limited. I would like to use it before 1943 but the game doesn't allow that in a campaign. It would also be nice if you were able to leave out of of Japanese ports all over the ocean and not just the german U-boat ports.

Did anyone ever get a darker skin to work on this and the guns and or get the carnation on the bow?