HBO's Game of Thrones (Lots of spoilers-stay out if you don't want to know all)

[Oberon]

They do seem to be trimming some of the extras off now, I think they're trying to extract themselves from the problem of having too many characters and plot-lines going at once. Not so bad in a book, can be problematic on screen.

Still, next episode does look quite delicious from the preview I've seen. :yep:

[Onkel Neal]

yep, hoping the writers can bring their A game and wrap this series in epic fashion. Let the slaughter begin.:rock:

[August]

A few. A few less. Some always manage to squeak through. There are some new ones. Don't place any bets.

Too late, the wife and I put bets on who would survive the series at the end of the first episode. I picked Daenerys but she picked Eddard Stark. :haha:

[Oberon]

she picked Eddard Stark. :haha:

:har: Oh dear, she doesn't know of the curse of Sean Bean. :haha:

[August]

:har: Oh dear, she doesn't know of the curse of Sean Bean. :haha:

I know, she fell in love with him in Sharpes Rifles and even the bucket scene in Bravo Two Zero hasn't shaken her affection for the guy. She was inconsolable for days after the season ender. :)

[Oberon]

I know, she fell in love with him in Sharpes Rifles and even the bucket scene in Bravo Two Zero hasn't shaken her affection for the guy. She was inconsolable for days after the season ender. :)

He is an awesome actor and from what I've heard a pretty cool guy. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

The burning quetion must be.....who will come to the aid of Mr. Snow in the next episode? :)

[Sailor Steve]

Too late, the wife and I put bets on who would survive the series at the end of the first episode. I picked Daenerys but she picked Eddard Stark. :haha:
It's hard to believe the truth about GoT, even after you've seen it in action: Don't get attached to any character, because the odds are they're probably gonna die. If you do get attached to one the odds go up dramatically.

:har: Oh dear, she doesn't know of the curse of Sean Bean. :haha:
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[Dowly]

The burning quetion must be.....who will come to the aid of Mr. Snow in the next episode? :)
Only one able to come to his aid is Littlefinger and as Sansa sent him a letter, it'll probably be him.

[Nippelspanner]

Only one able to come to his aid is Littlefinger and as Sansa sent him a letter, it'll probably be him.
:yep:

[Oberon]

Only one able to come to his aid is Littlefinger and as Sansa sent him a letter, it'll probably be him.

I agree, and boy is he going to hold it over her as the new Queen of the North. :dead: And boy is she going to tell him where to go. :haha:

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[Jimbuna]

^ LOL :)

Best I say no more :)

[Nippelspanner]

This episode tested me.
I was shaking and felt distressed.

Jesus... what an episode! :timeout:

[Dowly]

I felt the opposite; bored out of my skull.

Any tension in the North was ruined by the scene where Sansa sends the letter. Littlefinger was the only one she could sent one to, so it was obvious the Knights of the Vale would come and break the tie in a true Hollywood fashion.

And the scene where Yara asks Dany to help her almost made me puke.

Yara: Will you help us?
Dany: Nope.
Yara: Aww, come on! Look, I'm a woman too!
Dany: *approving nod* OK!

All in all, the writing has been very disappointing in S6.

[Jimbuna]

This episode tested me.
I was shaking and felt distressed.

Jesus... what an episode! :timeout:

Yep and about time too.

I thought the ending was most fitting.

[Betonov]

The battle was awesome.
Pure epic.

[Nippelspanner]

I felt the opposite; bored out of my skull.

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I disagree on the Littlefinger thing.
Yes it was obvious, but it didn't matter to me. What mattered was, who would survive? It wasn't so clear and I'm glad they didn't go the "TV series 101" way and killed someone off just to kill someone. I mean, Rickon doesn't count, that was clear from the start, even Sansa realized this. And Ramsay was obvious too, just not how (loved it!). But Snow, Tormund and Davos? Not so much. And I am glad they made it, they build an interesting trio.

However, the Dany scenes... yeah... man, wth?
"Yay girl power!" is ALL I gathered from that BS scene and the dragon riding stuff was pathetic too - I just always cringe whenever she climbs up her dragon, it is silly and hard to believe, because...physics. But well.
She didn't even pronounce "Dracarys" right (remember when she first said it?), now it sounded like... American - not Valyrian. Nitpicking? Nope.
It is called a continuity error and I hate these.

However, besides all that.
As soon as the battle approached, I started to get really nervous. And I was surprised about how well the battle scenes were done. They reminded me of Braveheart - which still wears the crown in that department as no other movie ever came even close (if someone says LotR, I will shoot him).

The only thing I didn't like was Jon charging Ramsay on his own. I mean...what. Come on...
Other than that. Awesome.

Happy to see the Stark banners back where they belong.

[Betonov]

They reminded me of Braveheart - which still wears the crown in that department as no other movie ever came even close

Nowhere close to this one.
Braveheart was epic in scale, but was heads on aproach. 2 armies smashed together, one used a counter tactic (hidden pikes to counter the heavy horses). Gladiator did it 10 times better.

This one, using the burning flayed men to instill fear into the enemy and show them who they are, provoking Jon to make a mistake, Jon making a mistake, the fact that horses get killed in a battle, the slow sadistic aproach to kill off the surviors, wounded trying to get away, the chaos, the sudden randomnes of death...

And no speeches

[Dowly]

The only thing I didn't like was Jon charging Ramsay on his own. I mean...what. Come on...

Sansa: Don't do what Ramsay wants you to do.
Jon: Ok.
*Does what Ramsay wants him to do*

:yeah:

[Sailor Steve]

Sansa: Don't do what Ramsay wants you to do.
Jon: Ok.
*Does what Ramsay wants him to do*

:yeah:
I disagree with a lot of your earlier summations, but we are together on this. Jon got stupid. Played right into Ramsay's game. He should listen to his women more often.

I guess Ramsay's end was fitting, but I still would like to see him suffer the same as he gave to Theon. But no, he would have still been able to use his words to turn things his way someday. So I guess his end was fitting.

[Nippelspanner]

Might interest some here: Why has Game of Thrones been dumbed down? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXDxNq08UNY)

[Onkel Neal]

Guys, use the spolier tags, m'k?:hmph:

[August]

Is there anyone besides me who isn't caught up to the new episodes yet?
If not then please don't bother using spoiler tags. Maybe just edit the thread title to add the words: "contains spoilers dumb ass!"

Because threads about an ongoing TV series will obviously contain spoilers and one would have to be a pretty big dummy not to know that. Having to double click on nearly every message in the thread is a drag.

Just my opinion.

[Nippelspanner]

Is there anyone besides me who isn't caught up to the new episodes yet?
If not then please don't bother using spoiler tags. Maybe just edit the thread title to add the words: "contains spoilers dumb ass!"

Because threads about an ongoing TV series will obviously contain spoilers and one would have to be a pretty big dummy not to know that. Having to double click on nearly every message in the thread is a drag.

Just my opinion.
I agree.
Then again... for those who aren't up to date yet, this is the only place to talk about it and it must feel like running drunk through a minefield trying to avoid to read a spoiler.

So yeah, we might better use tags. I sure will, and will edit my older posts as well. If there's something like an amendment to me it is: "You shall not spoiler GoT!"

I'd probably castrate someone who spoils me with GoT stuff.
And no I'm not joking.
There's TV shows. And then there's GoT.

Edit: Nevermind, looks like I got my own personal secretary to edit my posts. Yeah, Neal, if you could bring me some Coffee while you're at it, that would be great! :D

[August]

I agree.
Then again... for those who aren't up to date yet, this is the only place to talk about it

But who want's to talk about what happened in previous seasons?

I'm at Season 5 episode 2. The ones ahead of me in the series are not going to want to opine very much about the meaning of events in the episode I just saw because they're reluctant to let a spoiler slip and I can't talk to anyone further back in the series for the same reason. It stifles conversation.

After all what am i gonna say if someone who just watched season 1 episode 9 comes in here and starts talking about Ned Stark being freed to join the Black Watch? "Just wait and see" is all I could possibly reply to such a post.

Better just to can the whole spoiler tag idea and keep the discussion to where the series is currently at. That way folks can freely talk about what might happen the next episode and the ones after that.

[Oberon]

Mein Gott

That was one of the best medieval-esque depictions of a battle I've seen in a long long time, the cavalry vs cavalry charge was brutal, as it would have been, although I really wouldn't fancy Jons chances of not getting Snow-plowed in between those two cavalry forces. The sheer muddy, bloody confusion of battle leading up to the shield wall-pike encirclement (clever little tactic that, I presume it was a real life tactic although not one that I've encountered before...although I don't think I've got to that episode of the British History Podcast yet) and the rout in which Jon nearly gets crushed. Rarely has there been such a brilliant visceral view on such a battle. The cinematography reminded me a bit of Passchendaele or Band of Brothers but without the firearms. Sure, Jon pulled a dumb move, and played straight into Ramsays ploy, but then how often has Jon commanded a large scale army? He doesn't strike me as the strategic or tactical thinker, he's more Titus Pullo than Gaius Julius...ok, maybe not so much Titus Pullo, but the point is, despite being a Commander of the Nights Watch, he's not lead an offensive force in a traditional battle, so he's going to want to Leeroy Jenkins and kill the bad guys. I look forward to Sansa taking over the role of commanding the army in the future, she's clearly got more savvy.
Sure, we all knew Littlefinger was going to save the day, and I suspect that he might now try to put the creep on Sansa, but that's going to backfire hard in his face, but since the Tully forces are going to be about the only thing projecting Stark power in the north after Jons army got badly mauled, she's not going to have the lee-way she hopes she has. And eventually, but probably not until next season or the season after, the Lannisters are going to realise that there are Starks in the north again, and that's not something that can stay unanswered...although I imagine by then Daenarys will be landing her forces and at some point the Sand Sisters are going to stop holding the idiot ball and start avenging.
At this point, the militant faith are the least of the problems for the Lannisters, but I don't think that Cersei and Jaime quite realise that yet, Kevan probably does since he's pretty much the one running the show, and yet gets so little air time. :shifty:
Yeah, the scene with Daenarys was a bit cringey, although I did like her and Yara bonding, that did make me grin. I can't see the Ironborn giving up their raping and pillaging ways though, but I suspect that storyline might suffer a fair bit of handwavium since by then other more prominant stories will be taking place.
Meanwhile, I imagine Euron has managed to construct a small rowing boat using the twigs he has gathered from the Iron islands, a series of islands well known for their forests capable of manufacturing a thousand ships, and he is probably rowing to meet Varys. :yeah:

So yeah, damn fine episode I think, and unless the next episode pulls a direwolf out of the hat I think it's going to be overshadowed significantly by this one.

Oh...and Ramsays demise...brilliant, although personally I'd have dropped him in an oubliette so that he had plenty of time to reflect on his mistakes before he died of dehydration or starvation, or blood loss from clawing at the walls trying to get out. Seriously, oubliette...I'd probably take the dogs, a great deal of pain and then it's over, a matter of five-ten minutes.
Probably a good thing I was never a medieval lord... :dead:

[Dowly]

I doubt we will see another war between the Starks and the Lannisters. The Lion has lost its teeth with Cersei being pretty much the only one who might want another war.

Oh...and Ramsays demise...brilliant, although personally I'd have dropped him in an oubliette so that he had plenty of time to reflect on his mistakes before he died of dehydration or starvation, or blood loss from clawing at the walls trying to get out.
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[Betonov]

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[Oberon]

I doubt we will see another war between the Starks and the Lannisters. The Lion has lost its teeth with Cersei being pretty much the only one who might want another war.


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Indeed, it depends if Cersei can scheme her way back into control of the direction of House Lannister, at the moment she's fallen a long way since Season One, but she's a strong willed and devious character, if there's a way for her to climb back to the top she will.

Also, I'd say I'm more:

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Also:

http://imgur.com/gallery/AQQN9X6

[Onkel Neal]

Scheming: complete!

Now that was an episode with really good writing! :rock:

Now we know
Ned Stark had a nephew as well as a bastard! Wow.

[Nippelspanner]

Scheming: complete!

Now that was an episode with really good writing! :rock:

Now we know
Ned Stark had a nephew as well as a bastard! Wow.
Huh? A Nephew, yes... but how does he have a bastard when he isn't the father?
However, perfect episode, nothing to complain about. They really... cleaned out the cast a little, didn't they? I mean what's this episode's kill list? Phew! Now it will be a gruesome long winter until season 7 - which obviously will be very... very interesting. I wish there would be cryochambers already, I'd take a nap till April!

[Jimbuna]

No complaints with the ending or the previous two episodes but boy, it took some time for the season to get started.

Hopefully the next season will have a more interesting start/beginning.

[Onkel Neal]

I listened to the whispers between Lyanna and Ned Stark several times, could not really hear it. I found on the web that the exchange went like this, which makes sense
As Lyanna dies, she whispers this to Ned: "If Robert finds out, he'll kill him, you know he will. You have to protect him. Promise me, Ned. Promise me." The "Robert" she speaks of, presumably, is Robert Baratheon, her betrothed and the future king of Westeros. Rhaegar stole her from Robert, thus setting off the uprising known as Robert's Rebellion and leading to the events of A Game of Thrones.

Does that sounds right, was anyone able to actually hear these words in the show?

[Jimbuna]

I listened to the whispers between Lyanna and Ned Stark several times, could not really hear it. I found on the web that the exchange went like this, which makes sense

Does that sounds right, was anyone able to actually hear these words in the show?

That is 100% correct Onkel :yep:

[Nippelspanner]

Does that sounds right, was anyone able to actually hear these words in the show?
No one was able to hear the whole thing - that was the point.
Just like the "Lost in Translation" ending.

Not sure why they still make a mystery out of the obvious, though.

[Dowly]

Not sure why they still make a mystery out of the obvious, though.

They didn't want to give away Jon's real name. Lyanna says it, but you can't make it out.

[Onkel Neal]

It's George

[Oberon]

Well, well, well, well...

Cersei, you magnificent bar-steward, I did not read your book!
I did wonder if they had any more wildfire left over after the battle of Blackwater bay, I believe Cersei uses some in the books around the time that Tyrion is leaving town but as soon as it became obvious that Tommen wasn't going to be allowed to go to the trial I realised what was going on, I didn't expect Pycelle to bite the dust though, but nothing of value was lost there.
Tommen deciding to discover gravity was a surprise though, and a nice way for the writers to make Cerseis gains cost her dearly. Expect her to go into full manical queen in the next season.
Which brings us to Mary S-err-Daenarys and her ships...and boy that's a lot of ships, and she has the loyalty of Dorne, and the Reach which means she can cross the Narrow Sea and land unmolested then strike north up the Rose road straight to Kings Landing. Quite frankly with the North back under Stark(ish) control, and most of the south soon to be under Targaryen control, Cerseis position will not be tenable for very long...I expect she'll make her last stand at Casterly Rock, the landscape around there is better for that kind of thing...although there's still the dragon problem. I expect her forces will take at least one down (rule of drama) but the others, especially Drogon, are going to be a tough thing to beat.
Which brings me to Jon Snow...or Jon Targaryen to give him half of his name. Rhaegars boy, who I'd wager perhaps was called Jaehaerys, and heir to the throne, it'll be interesting to see if Brans knowledge gets out into the wider world, certainly I could see a future Jon/Daenarys alliance and perhaps wedding...let's face it, the Targaryens weren't shy of keeping it in the family, and it'd be easier for Daenarys to marry Jon than try and invade the North in winter with troops acclimatised to desert warfare.
And then there's little Ayra, who I suspect won't head north to Winterfell after hearing of the great Stark reunion, but will probably head towards Kings Landing to scratch off some more names on her list, since Melisandre is one of them, I imagine that the two will cross paths soon.

But yes, it took a while for this season to get going, but the last two episodes more than made up for it. :yeah:

[Dowly]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Jaime's the one to kill Cersei.

Cersei has pretty much killed off all their kids, Jaime'll put a sword through his back like he did with the Mad King.

It is the only proper way to end her arc.

[Nippelspanner]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Jaime's the one to kill Cersei.

Cersei has pretty much killed off all their kids, Jaime'll put a sword through his back like he did with the Mad King.

It is the only proper way to end her arc.
It seems obvious and I'd like it... but for some reason I am not that certain, still remembering the prophecy she was given as a kid - that so far was spot on.

[HunterICX]

Game of Thrones Beginner’s Guide
By Samuel L. Jackson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N4gEJ_ED98

Warning: Language & Spoilers

[Jimbuna]

Game of Thrones - the record-breaking fantasy drama TV series - will end after its eighth season, American broadcaster HBO has confirmed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36934888

[Onkel Neal]

Alas

[Nippelspanner]

Alas
:hmmm:

[Skybird]

The ominous 8th season. Well, it is often said that a TV series' fate is sealed after 8 seasons at the latest.

Maybe not bad at all. All things can become worn out and tired. What is needed is to bring it all to a consistent end - and that can be an art.

[Oberon]

I agree, it's good to have something to work towards rather than it just getting the news of being axed mid season and having to scramble to find an ending, or worse yet, ending on a cliffhanger that's never resolved.
It also ends before it goes stale, which there have been some danger signals which have briefly flashed in the past two seasons.
And who knows...by 2018 George might have finished 'The Winds of Winter', or at least the first chapter...

[Jimbuna]

Just had a call from the boy and he informs me he was in Dubrovnik the other day and enjoyed a pleasant lunch ashore in a restaurant at 'Kings Landing' at the foot of the steps where Cersei commenced her 'walk of shame'.

[Jimbuna]

Season 7 has been delayed...

Season 7 will premiere simultaneously on Sunday night, July 16 on at 9pm ET on HBO in the US and at 2am on Monday, July 17 on Sky Atlantic in the UK.

[August]

Any reason given for the delay?

[Dowly]

Not a delay, just later premiere date due to the filming schedule.

[August]

The first trailer is out. It's just a collection of sound clips from previous episodes. disappointing.

[Jimbuna]

Any reason given for the delay?

HBO has made a habit of debuting new GoT episodes in the spring – ordinarily in early April. But this year, it'll launch a little later, in the summer months.

"We're starting a bit later because at the end of this season, 'Winter is here' – and that means that sunny weather doesn't really serve our purposes any more," showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss previously confirmed.

"So we kind of pushed everything down the line, so we could get some grim grey weather even in the sunnier places that we shoot."

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/game-of-thrones/feature/a793488/game-of-thrones-season-7-release-date-spoilers-cast-and-everything-you-need-to-know/

[Skybird]

6th seasons starts in Germany today for the first time in free TV.

[Jimbuna]

6th seasons starts in Germany today for the first time in free TV.

Don't watch it matey, they all die in the end :O:

[Nippelspanner]

6th seasons starts in Germany today for the first time in free TV.

I sometimes watch an episode or two if I got nothing better to do. It is mind blowing how dull, soulless and cringeworthy this great series is... In German.
I can't take it seriously at all.

That also underlines how tremendously skilled the actors in that show are, their original accents, how they can deliver simple lines that still make your neck hairs rise.
Love it.

In German?
Trololol Roflcopter.

[August]

I sometimes watch an episode or two if I got nothing better to do. It is mind blowing how dull, soulless and cringeworthy this great series is... In German.
I can't take it seriously at all.

That also underlines how tremendously skilled the actors in that show are, their original accents, how they can deliver simple lines that still make your neck hairs rise.
Love it.

In German?
Trololol Roflcopter.


Dubbing in general has never appealed to me. I'd much rather see a movie in the original language and read subtitles.

[Dowly]

I rather read subtitles, dubs just take away from the actual actor.

PS. Proper subs, down to the screen, not the ones that go all over the screen.

[Skybird]

I saw one episode in English I think two years ago. I had no difficulty to understand it of course, but it was distracting. The big advantage that Nippelspanner described, I cannot see here, the German textings are not bad, and I am by now too used to the sound of the German voice actors.

I have heard much worse translations in German dubs. Blade Runner directors cut is an offence and a showcase of incompetence. Alien also stood out to be a very bad exmaple. But usually, generally, the German industry does dubbing very well. This series does fine in this regard.

And in the end it is all fictional anyway, or does anyone think that Terran English would be the official office language of Westeros, if it would exist?

[Nippelspanner]

Fictional or not, the actors, most of them, speak English and most importantly, so does the man who built this whole world, I think that's authority enough to claim that English is *the* GOT language.

That you can't see what I talked about probably goes back to you not being able to know better. If you've just seen one episode in English, I'm not surprised and naturally you being used to the dubbed version NY now adds to the confusion.
I agree that German translations are often very high quality, maybe they are even the best compared to other countries but in the end, nothing can top a movies or series original language, it's just not possible, except the initial product is garbage to begin with.

I mean, if that's your opinion, so be it, but it's quite weird honestly.

[Skybird]

The German texts of Star Trek Classic are much better than the English original, since the Germans did not stick slavishly to the original text, but added - surprise - much more word gaming and humour to it, adding a relaxed, laid back attitude to the feeling of the show that in the original had a way more "militaristic", or material kind of language. The german version simply is better, more adequate fior the absurd settings, the English takes it all way too serious.

But an even better exmaple is "Die 2" (The Persuaders) with Roger Moore and Tony Curtis. A British series that was a flop in Britain, then came to Germany, and the Germans ripped out the complete text script and completely replaced it with what since then became known as "Schnodder-Snychro" - grotesque, humourous, often very funny wordings and even ryhmes that became such a successful phenomenon that it was copied in other countries. The French bought the German version, and dubbed/translated it into French - from the German, not the English. Later, the British bought back the rights for the German versions, and reworkd the original English text, replacing it with a translation from the German into the English. :) The show then was broadcasted again and was signficantly more successful in britain, canada, and even the US. I once saw a program on this, where they broadcasted one episode three times after a brief docu: the German, the original English and the translated English version. The second english version was way better than the first one, the original was - boring.

To say original langauge is always the best for a film, is nonsense. Sometimes it has more relevance, sometimes less. The artistic aim plays a role, Rambo does not suffer from being translated into another language, while Shakespeare may make language more relevant... I fail to see GoT being that much depending on the English original. Fawlty'S Towers, however, needs the Egnlish version indeed, the German one did nt make me laugh (I admit the English did not make me laugh either, I just dont like this show).

I only say it is stupid to make a festish of something that last but not least to such a big ammount is a question of subjective taste.

Personally, I do not like subtitles, I find them extremely annoying, since it distracts me.

The key to good dubbing is to find a well-matching voice for the physical appearance of the film actor, and to not try to slavishly stick to the original text and then linearly translating it word by word. The rythm of what is beign spoken, sometimes even the ryhming, is as important, if not more. I am ften surprised and dissapointed when hearing for exmaple some Hollywood actor speaking with his own voice. The German voices often fit so much better: the actor and the characters he plays as well. Sean Connery. Robert de Niro. Al Pacino. Harrison Ford. I am still shocked when I hear them in their own voices, its as if they have breathed helium.

Finally, listening to a foreign language sooner or later brings most people to the limits of what they can do and understand in that foreign language. Usually passive vocabulary is bigger than active vocabulary - me is a good exmaple :) My limits were for example met when I tried to read the Gormenghast novels by Mervyn Peake in English - the first volume at least. I did, most of it, but it was a terrible battle, and I missed much of the pleasure and fun due to the extremely formidable language that Peake used in these books, and conctsntly needing to nterrupt and search things in the dictionary. I could not enjoy the beauty and humour in it because I could not grab it. Thankfully, contemporary ordinary English is not as artistic as the language in these books. By comparison, reading Dune and Lord of the Rings in English, was a breeze.

[Jimbuna]

WINTER IS COMING...
http://i.imgur.com/3vjB76D.jpg

*Watch for the cameo role by Ed Sheeran*

[Sailor Steve]

No, winter is HERE!

*Watch for the cameo role by Ed Sheeran*
Had no idea who he is. Watched it with the band after rehearsal yesterday. They all knew who he is, and made sure I did too.

Killer opening, and no, I'm not being punny. One of my friends said "But isn't he...?"

You'll have to watch it to get the reference. No spoilers here.

[August]

No spoilers here

Can we have another GoT thread were we can post spoilers? It's kind of useless to have a thread where we can't discuss the show except in general terms.

[Jimbuna]

Can we have another GoT thread were we can post spoilers? It's kind of useless to have a thread where we can't discuss the show except in general terms.

I'd have thought if there was a secondary thread (we tend not to repeat thread themes wherever possible for the obvious reason of forum clutter) the temptation would be too hard for people to resist and content would almost inevitably spread to the other thread.

Neal may disagree but I'd prefer it if we kept to one topic, one thread.

[August]

I'd have thought if there was a secondary thread (we tend not to repeat thread themes wherever possible for the obvious reason of forum clutter) the temptation would be too hard for people to resist and content would almost inevitably spread to the other thread.

Neal may disagree but I'd prefer it if we kept to one topic, one thread.

But if we can't discuss spoilers then what is the point of having a thread about the show at all?

[Jimbuna]

But if we can't discuss spoilers then what is the point of having a thread about the show at all?

You could always use the spoiler tag facility and leave to thread readers whether they choose to have a look or not I suppose.

[August]

You could always use the spoiler tag facility and leave to thread readers whether they choose to have a look or not I suppose.

Scuse me I read too much into Steves "no spoilers" comment and thought there had been an adjustment of policy.

[Onkel Neal]

I'm open to ideas, I agree it is hard to discuss a show because people will have different levels of being caught up with it. There are guys who just watched the latest episode and want to discuss it; guys who may be a season behind. Then (until recently) there were those pesky book fans who knew more or less everything, man they are hard to avoid.

I say just use the spoiler tag for anything that involves a really big plot point or reveal. And like Steve said, then the individual viewer can decide.

And so we begin.

The Unsettling Thing You Missed In The ‘Game Of Thrones’ Premiere
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-unsettling-thing-you-missed-in-the-game-of-thrones-premiere_us_596cbd06e4b03389bb18e4e2



and

Man, Arya had really bumped up her body count.

[Jimbuna]

Scuse me I read too much into Steves "no spoilers" comment and thought there had been an adjustment of policy.

No problem matey, one of the potential problems with written comms as opposed to voice comms I reckon :salute:

[Jimbuna]

You could always use the spoiler tag facility and leave to thread readers whether they choose to have a look or not I suppose.



I say just use the spoiler tag for anything that involves a really big plot point or reveal. And like Steve said, then the individual viewer can decide.



Excuse me :hmmm:

:O:

[Sailor Steve]

Scuse me I read too much into Steves "no spoilers" comment and thought there had been an adjustment of policy.
It would seem so. All I meant was that I wasn't giving any spoilers away with my comments. It was just me.

[August]

Well technically any mention or picture of characters or scenes at all could be a spoiler for someone depending on where they are in the series and that constitutes something like 90% or more of the (on topic) discussion. If we spoiler tag all of it then it's going to be pretty difficult to read.

Thing is you can't just put spoiler tags around your post you have to preface every one with a description of what the tags are hiding, at very least one should note the season and episode you're talking about, so that readers will know what they should avoid and what they are "leveled up" to see.

It just becomes too much work at least for me which is too bad because i'm sure there would be some interesting opinions here, which is why I wish we could turn off the spoiler effect as a user option.

[Onkel Neal]

All right, spoilers added to the title.

[Onkel Neal]

Holy hell that was good! :o

[razark]

Holy hell that was good! :o
And that was a rather short episode.

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, it did seem to go by fast.

One would think after this that Daenerys will use a different tactic than low level strafing....:doh:

[Jimbuna]

Short season and so much to fit in I fear for an anti-climatic ending.

[razark]

One would think after this that Daenerys will use a different tactic than low level strafing....
Well, obviously the solution is to use an Iron Hand and send in a group of Untamed Ferrets to get rid of any ballistae ahead of time.

That was an impressive battle, though. I hate they cut the episode where they did.

[u crank]

That was an impressive battle, though.

Yep. That was some first class action. :yep:

[Sailor Steve]

Here is a fascinating mini-documentary on the making of the battle scene. CGI/Green Screen coupled with a lot of real pyrotechnics and a record number of stunt men set on fire at the same time.

Cool stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJAlI4HDK7s

[Moonlight]

^If I hadn't already seen that episode I would have been pretty pissed off with that video, it should be removed as you're spoiling everything for those who haven't.

[razark]

^If I hadn't already seen that episode I would have been pretty pissed off with that video, it should be removed as you're spoiling everything for those who haven't.
You're seeing it in a thread named "HBO's Game of Thrones (Lots of spoilers)".

[Moonlight]

That above is a spoiler isn't it, if that's the case then bloody use it, if it isn't a spoiler then don't use it, is that simple enough for everyone to understand. :O:
edit
Bloody hell I can't even do a bloody spoiler thingie, I give up. :o

[Sailor Steve]

Let's see...

it explains the different techniques they used in filming the scenes. It doesn't tell what's going on, it doesn't tell how the scene ends. I guess it does tell people who haven't seen it that there's a big battle, and a little of who's involved. Even then, the battle has already been talked about.

I don't see what the spoiler is.

[Onkel Neal]

This thread has become a spoilers allowed thread, I can try to add something to the title to make that more clear if necessary.

Anyway, so, about Jamie falling in that lake....wasn't he about 5 feet from the bank? It sure got really deep, really fast. :o

[Sailor Steve]

Good point. Maybe it was just his perception.

<looks around for more feeble excuses> :shifty:

[Jimbuna]

Best episode yet action-wise.

[Onkel Neal]

https://forum-cdn.quartertothree.com/uploads/default/optimized/2X/d/df3c75424b8b0b048020a78623575e0b7b271abc_1_612x500 .jpg

[Jimbuna]

Last night Spanish tv mistakenly aired episode 6 instead of episode 5 :oops:

[August]

So name three people who can pet a dragon without getting immolated.

Dany
Jon
and...

Three dragons, three riders.

[razark]

So name three people who can pet a dragon without getting immolated.
...
Three dragons, three riders.
Well, since all three are related, it makes sense.

[Onkel Neal]

Oh no, not anymore :o

Better change the math :wah::wah:

[August]

Just when you think you got it figured out they throw a curve ball!

[Jimbuna]

You know something, I came across a site purely by accident about a week ago in which a certain individual has detailed the contents of each episode up to the end of the season and has each post backed up with camera shots obviously taken with a zoom lens.

Further investigation led me to the realisation that even the posts relating to the early episodes were released to said site three to four weeks in advance.

There must be an insider leaking this stuff for financial gain I reckon and imho HBO could well do without said individual/s :nope:

[Onkel Neal]

One thing for sure, people of Westeros are really good at holding their breath underwater.

[Jimbuna]

One thing for sure, people of Westeros are really good at holding their breath underwater.

Yeah and I could do with some of that stuff the Night King uses to put a glow in my eyes first thing in the morning :)

[August]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIVhSOYWsAALD-o.jpg:large

[Sailor Steve]

I don't know about anyone else, but I found the season finale to be quite satisfying. Things are tied together. Bad characters are still their same old selves. Others finally outthink themselves, and get hustled by the ones they've been hustling all along Some old differences are resolved amicably. Some loyalties change, and for believable reasons. The great war has finally begun.

Things bode well for the final season. It's just too bad it's a season away.

[August]

Yeah and I could do with some of that stuff the Night King uses to put a glow in my eyes first thing in the morning :)

I'm afraid that becoming a Wight will not improve your looks at all. :)

[Jimbuna]

I'm afraid that becoming a Wight will not improve your looks at all. :)

I don't think the wife would be all that bothered just so long as I had the strength and stamina of Vesirion :03:

[Onkel Neal]

Overall I give this season an A. From the uncharacteristic cold open of Ep1 to the 80 minute finale, almost everything was superb. I can see how the last season will be a nonstop sprint to the finish, Queen against Queen, dragon against dragon, aunt against nephew... it should be a great closing.

[Jimbuna]

It has been reported that the final season will be six episodes (all feature length) long.

[Jimbuna]

Game of Thrones could be getting a prequel series, HBO has announced, one of five potential spinoffs of the series.

Book author George RR Martin created the new series alongside British screenwriter Jane Goldman.

HBO has ordered a pilot episode for the show, set thousands of years before the battles over the Iron Throne.

Executives say any spinoff will not be broadcast until after Game of Thrones' final season in 2019.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44423040

Great news :yeah:

[Dowly]

And thus HBO went from a company producing quality shows to the TV equal of Electronic Arts. Gotta milk the cow as much as possible.

They're already half-assing the rest of the primary series' end, and their writing's been rather bad since they ran out of source material to draw from.

[Jimbuna]

Well I've enjoyed every episode thus far so only time will tell.

[Jimbuna]

Here are the runtimes for Season 8

Episode one: 54 mins

Episode two: 58 mins

Episode three: 1 hr

Episode four: 1 hr 18 mins

Episode five 1 hr 20 mins

Episode six: 1 hr 20 mins

[August]

Well the speculation for the upcoming season is certainly ramping up.

Some of the more intriguing theories is that the Night King is actually an ancient Stark who was condemned to his icy kingdom courtesy of the Children of the Forest many years ago with a piece of dragon glass in the heart. Curiously the same thing done by the same people to another Stark, Benjen who seems to have remained "human" although we haven't seen him since the super friends expedition in order to save his life.

[Onkel Neal]

Boom! Off to a fast start. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

[Skybird]

Boom! Off to a fast start. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
Boom like in "Boom - another chopped-off head dropping onto the ground" ? :D



(I hope I have not given a spoiler unintentionally, I have not watched the new season and will need to wait until it reaches our free TV here.)

[Jimbuna]

Not a bad episode to commence with. Looking forward to the rest but in particular the third one.

[August]

Poor Samwell Tarly finding out about his Father and Brother like that. Although that certainly advances him in the House Tarly line of succession now don't it?

[Onkel Neal]

Boom like in "Boom - another chopped-off head dropping onto the ground" ? :D



(I hope I have not given a spoiler unintentionally, I have not watched the new season and will need to wait until it reaches our free TV here.)

I don't want to spoil anything for you, buddy. Let's just say boom as in the show is moving forward at a brisk pace. Stuff is happening, stuff that usually gets saved for endings on most series.

Jon Snow, once again he finds himself signed up for a job he didn't apply for.

[August]

Jon Snow, once again he finds himself signed up for a job he didn't apply for.


The fan base called every one of last nights plot revelations. Thing is most of this has all been laid out in the book series.

[Onkel Neal]

Have not read the books.

[Jimbuna]

After watching the episode, one thought immediately sprang to mind....'I want to be a pirate' :O:

[u crank]

This was pretty cool I thought.

Arya: How did you survive a knife through the heart?

Jon: I didn't.

:yep:

[August]

Have not read the books.


Me either but the you tube speculation is pretty interesting.

[Dowly]

Leaked scene of Jaime & Bran from the next episode:
http://i.imgur.com/JbRCz.gif

[Skybird]

I like the series but do not ride on the fan train, so I have seen every episode just once in the past years. In a yera or so, after the German verison was not just on Sky but also on free TV, they will have a DVD box with all seasons ionbclude.d That one I will get then and watch it again and see how the early episodes appear to be with my today's and quite some years older eyes. :up:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I found the premiere a bit underwhelming. I don't see how they can resolve all the plotlines in a satisfying manner in only six more episodes.

[Dowly]

I found the premiere a bit underwhelming. I don't see how they can resolve all the plotlines in a satisfying manner in only six more episodes.That's been the worry with me and others since season 4(?). They rush it. Not typical HBO quality.

And those not familiar with HBO quality, watch shows like Oz, Sopranos, etc.

[Jimbuna]

The second episode put a bit more flesh on the bone and ends at a most interesting time in the story.

[Onkel Neal]

Wait, what was that at the end?

It looked like the Night King made a lot of clones? Is that something he can do? If so, I guess his strategy is right out of Naruto

[August]

The general fandom consensus is that for all the subplots to be tied up in the remaining episodes there are going to have to be a lot of characters killed off in the next one.

[Jimbuna]

Wait, what was that at the end?

It looked like the Night King made a lot of clones? Is that something he can do? If so, I guess his strategy is right out of Naruto

I think we saw were his Leaders/Generals.

[Dowly]

Yup, we've seen them before.

[Jimbuna]

Yup, we've seen them before.

He killed one in Season 5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o2ZlJP9K3o

[Dowly]

Yep, and Samwell sees one up close in Season 2 leading one of the undead armies. We've seen them plenty. :yep:

[Onkel Neal]

I think we saw were his Leaders/Generals.

I dunno, in the previous encounters there were 3 or 4 generals and they all looked different from one another. This time they looked like mirror images....

[Jimbuna]

I dunno, in the previous encounters there were 3 or 4 generals and they all looked different from one another. This time they looked like mirror images....

You're a hard bugga to convince but all will be revealed soon :)

[Dowly]

I dunno, in the previous encounters there were 3 or 4 generals and they all looked different from one another. This time they looked like mirror images....One of them's got a beard, the rest don't. There. Not clones! :O:

[Onkel Neal]

Ok, if you say so :)

[August]

Yep, and Samwell sees one up close in Season 2 leading one of the undead armies. We've seen them plenty. :yep:


I remember that scene and it's made me wonder if it had a deeper meaning than was apparent. He saw the White Walker and the White Walker saw him but he was ignored. I would have expected him to be attacked and I wonder why he wasn't.

[Dowly]

In my opinion, he simply didn't see Sam as any kind of threat, seeing how they were in the middle of nowhere beyond the Wall. Sam would die either way. (but plot armor protects!)


Or, he simply let him live so Sam could tell others about what he saw, to spread fear. We see this in the first episode of the show where a White Walker leaves one of the three Night's Watch alive in the forest so he could go back and tell what he saw.

[Onkel Neal]

Okay, I re-watch the ending and yes I see the one with the beard. Still, looked kind of strange

[August]

Okay, I re-watch the ending and yes I see the one with the beard. Still, looked kind of strange


Those Generals are the male babies that they got from Crasters Keep. You can see one them turned into a White Walker by the Night King at the end of episode four of season four.

[August]

In my opinion, he simply didn't see Sam as any kind of threat, seeing how they were in the middle of nowhere beyond the Wall. Sam would die either way. (but plot armor protects!)

Or, he simply let him live so Sam could tell others about what he saw, to spread fear. We see this in the first episode of the show where a White Walker leaves one of the three Night's Watch alive in the forest so he could go back and tell what he saw.
I suppose it could be either of those things or something else completely different, but I figure that they wouldn't have added the scene without a good reason. At first I thought it was a way of making Sam an eye witness but we get that just an episode later when he kills one. Using the dragon glass he had just found before the first encounter btw.

I just think the first scene was more than just for a little eye candy.

[Jimbuna]

Okay, I re-watch the ending and yes I see the one with the beard. Still, looked kind of strange

Don't get me wrong, I can see and understand the similarities in them but they are definitely not clones.

https://i.imgur.com/wmT4eEE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/c44IIWZ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fUK7uLq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vL8HC74.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

Nice pics, Jim.

[August]

Not impressed by the London WW's i'm afraid. Not a blue eye among them.

[Jimbuna]

Nice pics, Jim.

Straight out of the family archives :)

[Catfish]

^ :rotfl2:

[Jimbuna]

Tonight we will be treated to episode 3 portraying the Battle of Winterfell, the anticipated faceoff between the living and the dead, which will reportedly be not only the biggest fight in the history of the show, but the longest battle sequence ever filmed.

This episode will be a bloodbath and I expect more than one of the main characters will meet their demise.

It looks like the battle is filmed in a night setting so I'm hoping it won't be so dark as to mask some of the important details.

Can't wait.

[Sailor Steve]

...
Sounds like you're writing a sales pitch for an advert.




Anyway, I just saw it, and all I can say is

https://i.imgur.com/RQ0QN5F.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Definitely the best episode yet and hopefully the remaining three will maintain the standard.

[Onkel Neal]

So, I just came across a very interesting analysis, about the climax of episode three. Super spoiler, don't read this until you have seen the episode.



When I watched the ending where Jon Snow was "frustrated" and stood and screamed at the bad dragon, I assumed he was just ready to go out in a blaze of blue glory. I did catch what he was saying, and it didn't click with me at the time. But a lot of people did figure it out:

An eagle-eyed Game of Thrones fan rewatched the scene with headphones and realized that Jon isn’t actually screaming at the dragon. He’s screaming “GOOO, GOOOO, GOOOOO”—presumably at his little sister, who passed him on the way to killing the Night King. To quote u/Applesoapp:

“Jon screamed at the undead dragon to distract it so Arya can run past and kill the Night King. The undead dragon was protecting the entrance to the Godswood. Watch it again, you can actually hear him scream ‘GOOOOO - GO - GO.’ Ten seconds later...you can see the hair of a White Walker flying up when Arya sprints past the group of White Walkers. Jon once again was ready to sacrifice himself to kill the Night King.”

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/a27326341/game-of-thrones-proof-jon-snow-helped-arya-kill-the-night-king/

So, yeah, that made perfect sense, subtle but really impactful storytelling!

[Sailor Steve]

It does make sense. I'm not totally convinced, but it beats thinking that Jon was just sitting there being useless the whole time.

[Dowly]

@Neal, that's just people trying to make sense of the episode. Similarly as after the episode where Arya gets stabbed. People cling to the hope that maybe there's something more to come, some big twist that explains it all. I think we've seen enough from D&D to know that's not the case.


As for the last episode, this guy sums it up very nicely. Especially towards the end he makes a damn good case against the current state of GoT.
(strong language)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI7zy1PTMp0

[August]

This is hilarious. NSFW bad subtitle language.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1123703400351313920

[Sailor Steve]

Yeah that was pretty funny, as was Dowly's link. It all leaves me of two minds, as it seems to with everybody on the internet.

All that is left now is for GRRM to (hopefully) finish his books and we can see his real vision of what he's doing.

[Onkel Neal]

@Neal, that's just people trying to make sense of the episode. Similarly as after the episode where Arya gets stabbed. People cling to the hope that maybe there's something more to come, some big twist that explains it all. I think we've seen enough from D&D to know that's not the case.


As for the last episode, this guy sums it up very nicely. Especially towards the end he makes a damn good case against the current state of GoT.
(strong language)


I made it through 4 minutes of this, good analysis but he sounds like a total retard, I couldn't take any more :haha:

Who is D&D?

[Onkel Neal]

Oh, and where Arya got stabbed over and over, that was ridiculous. No one survives that type of traumatic injury, without some kind of magic and that was never mentioned, right?

[Dowly]

I made it through 4 minutes of this, good analysis but he sounds like a total retard, I couldn't take any more :haha:
If anything, watch it from 25min forwards. He really makes a good point of how the last 7 seasons don't matter now.

Who is D&D?
The two writers, David Benioff and Daniel Weiss.

[Onkel Neal]

If anything, watch it from 25min forwards. He really makes a good point of how the last 7 seasons don't matter now.


The two writers, David Benioff and Daniel Weiss.

Ah, yes, ok thanks.

I mean, he's right about a lot of stuff. It's pretty bad, the placement and tactics of the Winterfell defense. The Dothraki charge. Dany sitting around waiting for her dragon to get covered by swarms of zombies. Especially the "that's it they are dead! -- Camera cut -- they are still fighting!" that was silly TV. So many times they set up a scene where the odds were overwhelming and that's the impression they want the audience to have, only to yank it back away.

I can only excuse it by acknowledging that the audience has made its stamp on the writing and direction of the show. Lots of fan service.

The zombie dragon, ok, he did have super fire power but they had Jon's dragon damage his neck, lots of leaks so fire power downgraded lol. But I still think they managed to salvage the show with Jon distracting the dragon and Arya using Faceless Men ninja stuff to jump the NK. I guess. I still liked it!!!




This reminds me of when I was 6 and made my dad take me to the Batman movie with Adam West. When Batman was hanging from the Batcopter on the rope ladder and the shark was hanging on one leg, my dad laughed! Come on, Dad, he used his Bat Anti-Shark spray, it makes sense! Why are you laughing?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn-ZXgXQeGY

[August]

I made it through 4 minutes of this, good analysis but he sounds like a total retard, I couldn't take any more :haha:

Who is D&D?


Dungeons and Dragons?

[Onkel Neal]

Man, Daenerys is one dragon away from being just another hot chick with frustrated power demands.

[ikalugin]

Well it shows the importance of sending a forward detachment to secure the key terrain, then to provide forward recon and security from said key terrain.



And the importance of airborne force recon.


And the importance of a HUMINT intel gathering network.

[Jimbuna]

Man, Daenerys is one dragon away from being just another hot chick with frustrated power demands.

LOL, the plot thickens, or thins :)

[Onkel Neal]

Well it shows the importance of sending a forward detachment to secure the key terrain, then to provide forward recon and security from said key terrain.



And the importance of airborne force recon.


And the importance of a HUMINT intel gathering network.

Yeah, military tactics are important! I guess when you have dragons one gets lazy.

Missandei , poor Missandei, she was only 2 episodes from that beach on Naath.

[Dowly]

Ooh boy.

So, their idea to level the playing field was, for the 3rd (or is it now 4th?) time, to use Euron's invisible, teleporting fleet. Nice. :haha:

Oh and Cersei simply not killing Dany and Tyrion outside generic set King's Landing makes zero sense. She has wanted Tyrion dead since at least season 4. :doh:

These two twonks constantly have to use all sorts of BS to get around situations they've written themselves in.

Lazy, lazy, lazy. :stare:


EDIT: Forgot, but why on earth did they cut away just as Bran was about tell Sansa & Arya who Jon really is?! I mean, it's not like it's important or anything...

[Onkel Neal]

Ooh boy.



EDIT: Forgot, but why on earth did they cut away just as Bran was about tell Sansa & Arya who Jon really is?! I mean, it's not like it's important or anything...

Yeah, that would have been interesting to watch, more than the Jamie and Brienne sad sex show.

[Sailor Steve]

Well, so much for spoilers.:dead:

[Dowly]

As the title reads: (Lots of spoilers-stay out if you don't want to know all)

[August]

As the title reads: (Lots of spoilers-stay out if you don't want to know all)


Agree 100%. It's silly to hide our posts behind spoiler tags when the whole thread itself is a giant spoiler.
Even those who are using the spoiler tags still leave bits of information that defeat their purpose.

For example a quick perusal of this page lets everyone know that Missandrei, Danierys, Jamie Lannister, Arya Stark and Brienne Man-Hands are still alive into season 8.

[Sailor Steve]

As usual, the best parts of the show take place in the quiet conversations. The way people talk to each other is what drives the plot.

As for spoilers, on the one had I was just teasing Neal since he was the one who requested the use of the Spoiler Tags in the first place. On the other hand, it's not a matter of giving things away, it's a matter of respect for other people. Make excuses all you want, but if you can't be bothered to show any then don't expect any in return.

[Onkel Neal]

Lets stay on topic.

[August]

Make excuses all you want, but if you can't be bothered to show any then don't expect any in return.


Excuses? Sounds like you're saying that if we don't use spoiler tags we're being disrespectful to those who did not respect the thread title that says to "stay out if you don't want to know all"? :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Excuses? Sounds like you're saying that if we don't use spoiler tags we're being disrespectful to those who did not respect the thread title that says to "stay out if you don't want to know all"? :hmmm:
Basically, yeah. I'm not a gang-banger. I don't use "Respect" in the sense of "don't dis me!" I use it in the sense of showing a little care for other people's feelings.

And don't forget: I did say I was just teasing Neal.

[Onkel Neal]

So, how about that radar-controlled scorpion battery?

[Torvald Von Mansee]

The show completely jumped the shark after s8 e3. I don't think there's any real reason to continue watching it. Everything about this season feels like a rush job, like some verbose essay writer who notices he's reaching the word limit of his assignment and tries to abruptly wrap things up.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

So, how about that radar-controlled scorpion battery?

BS. Just a macguffin to even the odds to make the last combat more even. Of course, there's a possibility Rhaegon will return, being not really dead.

[Jimbuna]

The show completely jumped the shark after s8 e3. I don't think there's any real reason to continue watching it. Everything about this season feels like a rush job, like some verbose essay writer who notices he's reaching the word limit of his assignment and tries to abruptly wrap things up.

Other than "I don't think there's any real reason to continue watching it" I'd tend to agree.

It would appear now that the odds are so heavily stacked in favour of one side that it will take one helluva fantastic script turnaround to convince me the year plus wait for season 8 was worth it.

My curiosity will as usual get the better of me and I'll watch to the end even if just for the fact I've not missed any previous episodes.

Here's to a fitting/believeable finale :Kaleun_Cheers:

[iagocor]

Well it shows the importance of sending a forward detachment to secure the key terrain, then to provide forward recon and security from said key terrain.



And the importance of airborne force recon.


And the importance of a HUMINT intel gathering network.

That moment john said "no, he would need to recover from his wounds" you could tell the dragon was gonna get hitted hard. I mean, pretty convenient... the one time they set up a narrative/foreshadowing they do follow. (sorry my english)

I am the only one pissed of about the ""battle"? I mean, the last episode was a 5 minuts quickdraw extended for ever, 1 hour of stupid battle recreation... (it shouldn't last that long, wtf, and it served nothing (that episode was only the last 15 minuts)

And now they put the whole euron fleet coming out of a rock to scare the hell out of dany and then SHOCK! 5 people on a beach screaming "they jailed missandrey"... WHAT THE ****?

[Dowly]

https://i.redd.it/s493lbviluw21.png
:)

[Jimbuna]

https://i.imgur.com/tYuUAHQ.jpg

[Deepseadiver]

Is there a spy among them? How else did Euron know where and when to be?

I noticed Euron grin turns to flabbergasted in the new trailer..is there something other than Drogon in the sky?

My favourite for the crown is Gendry. He has Baratheon blood and Targaryen blood.

Danny will turn mad like her father. Jaime will kill her and Jon him. Arya to kill Cersei.

Jon to refuse the throne and Gendry is next in line.

[Sailor Steve]

My favourite for the crown is Gendry. He has Baratheon blood and Targaryen blood.
Gendry has Targaryen blood? From where?

Personally, I never make predictions, mainly because I'm always wrong. :dead:

[Onkel Neal]

I have a prediction but it's such a sure thing I don't want to post it, it would spoil the ending.

[Deepseadiver]

Gendry has Targaryen blood? From where?

Personally, I never make predictions, mainly because I'm always wrong. :dead:

Yes, the Baratheons and Tartargaryens have inter married. King Robert and his brothers had a grand mother or great mother who was a Targaryen.

Robert and Dany are 2nd cousins iirc.

Even the Golden company has Targaryen links ;)

Martin's back histories are very interesting.

[Sailor Steve]

Thanks for the reminder. I remember that now that you spelled it out for me. I was thinking on more recent bloodlines, but you're absolutely right.

[Onkel Neal]

I think there's a phenomenon where once a new series gets going and proves to be very good, people sign on to it and support it enthusiastically. But when it gets down to the last few episodes people tend to want to write the ending themselves and their expectations veer into the ditch.

I say the show is still great. I agree there are some moments where I think it could be better but overall, greatest series ever.

[August]

I have a prediction but it's such a sure thing I don't want to post it, it would spoil the ending.


PM it to me and i will leave it unread until the season ends.

[Sailor Steve]

A lot of people have said these last two seasons feel rushed. I think this is brought about by the fact that for six years we had multiple characters, each with his/her own storyline, and a lot of attention was paid to those stories. Now all the various characters have come together and their stories are still there, but tied together they take up a lot less space and time.

People also like to dump on the writers for various reasons. I keep saying that for me the best parts of the show are the quiet conversations, and the four episodes so far this season show that that hasn't changed. As far as I'm concerned that part of the writing at least is still top-notch.

Also, one other thing hasn't changed. They're still willing to rip our hearts out without mercy, and no one is safe.

[Sailor Steve]

PM it to me and i will leave it unread until the season ends.
Good idea. I can't wait to find out what it was.

[Dowly]

The big problem with the writing is imho that it isn't action->consequence anymore, but instead set-up->pay off.

Ned Stark got his head chopped off because he went to King's Landing, in the midst of his enemies, and ruffled some feathers. He paid the price for it. That in turn led to the war between North and South, the Red Wedding and so on.

What were the consequences of Arya foolishly prancing about when she knew she was being hunted by the faceless girl? She got stabbed. Ok, did the stabbing have any consequences? No. She was just fine shortly after. It was a set-up for the Arya v faceless girl chase and the pay off of Arya killing her. That's just one of many examples of the changed way of writing.

Heck, sometimes there isn't even a pay off. Making what happens completely pointless. Good example was when the Unsullied took Casterly Rock and then watched Euron's Deus Ex Machina fleet destroy theirs. Next we see the Unsullied back with Dany. Umm... great, what was the point of that? I believe it is the same episode where someone says to Dany that Euron has destroyed 'most of their fleet already'. How many ships does Dany have? Her fleet keeps getting destroyed yet it means nothing because she's always got more ships.

What about Tyrion getting smacked in the head by a ship's mast in the last episode? Scene cuts and literally in the very next scene we saw he is fine, not a scratch. What was the point?

What about Jon gathering his remaining 'family' to tell them who he really is? No pay off whatsoever. I just don't understand what they are trying to do anymore.

As for people being angry that their expectations aren't met, sure absolutely. Most expected the Night King to be an actual threat. Of course people are angry that what has been touted as the biggest threat against all things living for the past seven seasons ended up being a dud.


I still like the show as a whole, just finished rewatching seasons 1-4 and it was great, but I have no illusions for any great ending after what I've seen so far with this episode. And it sucks.


To not be all negative, let us appreciate the best (imho) battle scene in the show; The Massacre at Hardhome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7S9DMGYRAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K34lCM-PxQI

[Sailor Steve]

Good points, Dowly.

[Jimbuna]

I've two questions I'm looking forward to the answer to.

1) Is cersie going to resort to using wildfire again?

2) Who is the shrouded figure seen following the troops of the Golden Company out of the gates of Kings Landing?

Don't be overly surprised if dragon babies make an appearance and I expect Bran to play a prominent role in fact, he could yet turn out to be the Night King or at least a controlling factor.

Did I mention I'm related to the script writers :03:

:O:

[Sailor Steve]

Did I mention I'm related to the script writers
Some folks might see that as not such a good thing. :O:

[Jimbuna]

Some folks might see that as not such a good thing. :O:

True but there are a few spoiler sites out there and this is the first season I've been able to resist visiting them.

[Onkel Neal]

I've two questions I'm looking forward to the answer to.


Did I mention I'm related to the script writers :03:

:O:

Sounds like you've read a lot of online predictions :)

[Catfish]

It's his white walkers looks.. :O:

[Jimbuna]

It's his white walkers looks.. :O:

I resemble that remark!! https://i.imgur.com/q7pO1Y9.gif

[Onkel Neal]

Hmmm. Well, I guess that ruins the whole series for repeat watching now that Daenerys is the bad guy. :nope:

[Deepseadiver]

Hmmm. Well, I guess that ruins the whole series for repeat watching now that Daenerys is the bad guy. :nope:

What a crazy ep5.
It won't go down well.

[Jimbuna]

I've two questions I'm looking forward to the answer to.

1) Is cersie going to resort to using wildfire again?

2) Who is the shrouded figure seen following the troops of the Golden Company out of the gates of Kings Landing?

Don't be overly surprised if dragon babies make an appearance and I expect Bran to play a prominent role in fact, he could yet turn out to be the Night King or at least a controlling factor.

Did I mention I'm related to the script writers :03:

:O:

Well, this episode certainly answered all the above.

[Dowly]

Oh, now the scorpions/Iron fleet are useless when they've served their purpose (leveling the playing field which didn't matter, because one dragon is still enough). :haha:

Jaime's 7 season long character development was seemingly for nothing too. :doh:

Dany's mood swings would have worked better had they actually killed someone dear to him this episode which then would have sparked her madness, but of course we can't have nice things.

[u crank]

Dany's mood swings would have worked better had they actually killed someone dear to him this episode which then would have sparked her madness, but of course we can't have nice things.

Of course this sets up a final power struggle for the Iron Throne.

Also ... keep an eye on that little girl with the knife. :O:

[Jimbuna]

Of course this sets up a final power struggle for the Iron Throne.

Also ... keep an eye on that little girl with the knife. :O:

All will be revealed in the remaining eighty minutes but I believe you may be pretty close with your final comment.

[Dowly]

Also ... keep an eye on that little girl with the knife. :O:What? Arya? I really hope they don't use her again to kill Dany, that should really go to Jon if anyone.

[u crank]

What? Arya? I really hope they don't use her again to kill Dany, that should really go to Jon if anyone.

Hey I don't write em I just calls em.:D

After Dany went against the advice of her lover and her Hand I would say that things won't be as they were. Also I saw no reason for what Dany did except to have a dramatic and bloodthirsty scene. I would have thought she would have wanted her revenge face to face.

[Dowly]

Hey I don't write em I just calls em.:D
Hah, aye. It's hard to predict what happens. The predictable would be Jon killing Dany since he was robbed of NK kill, but who knows anymore with these two idiots. Maybe Wun Wun comes back and stomps her. *throws hands in air*

Would be nice to know about Bran's role too, but I guess that all goes to the 'The Long Night' spinoff they're planning.

Damn good example of how bad the writing is in season 8 is that the two battle episodes have been directed by the same guy who directed 'The Massacre at Hardhome'. :/\\!!

[Onkel Neal]

Well, I was moderately happy with the writing, won't deny that it wasn't great, but it was acceptable. But now I cannot rewatch the series and root for the brave, resourceful young girl all alone in the world as she made her way to the top by being a champion of the oppressed... just to see her transform into a genocidal maniac in the end. Now it would be like Adolph Hitler, the Early Years. All they were missing was to have had her land and boot stomp a couple dozen kitties. What a messed show, the burned the whole series to the ground.

[Deepseadiver]

She has been killing people all along. Starting with her brother. This isn't that much of shock.

She has carried out Missandeis last request and her father's also.

Jon or Tyrionn will kill her and Gendry (Baratheon/Targaryen) will be King.

[Dowly]

She has been killing people all along. Starting with her brother. This isn't that much of shock.
How many of those were innocent people? This is the same woman who took a city for no other reason than to free the slaves there, the same woman who adopted how ever many women it was as her daughters so the dothraki couldn't rape them etc.

But you're right, it wasn't a shock. It was a disappointment. Everyone expected this to happen. It's the way it was done that basically assassinated her entire 7 season long character. There was no trigger. Had they killed Misandei in this episode, it would have made sense. Hell, even killing whatshisface dragon in this episode instead of the previous would have made sense for Dany to snap, that would have also fixed the plot device scorpions that were suddenly useless in this episode. But no, of course that's too clever writing for the Dumb & Dumber.

[Jimbuna]

Another 'coffee cup' blooper that was spotted before the show was aired: Jamie grew a new hand :)

https://i.imgur.com/KxOpl5B.jpg

Another point, remember the Dothraki being annihilated and the Unsullied being almost wiped out at Winterfell?

Look at how many of the buggas were fighting at Kings Landing.

Dany must have identical powers to that of the Night King :O:

[Jimbuna]

It is being reported that the Game Of Thrones prequel has a working title Bloodmoon and filming of the new series has already commenced.

[Catfish]

Meet Denise in the Medieval fun-time world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=96&v=5Krz-dyD-UQ

[Deepseadiver]

How many of those were innocent people? This is the same woman who took a city for no other reason than to free the slaves there, the same woman who adopted how ever many women it was as her daughters so the dothraki couldn't rape them etc.

But you're right, it wasn't a shock. It was a disappointment. Everyone expected this to happen. It's the way it was done that basically assassinated her entire 7 season long character. There was no trigger. Had they killed Misandei in this episode, it would have made sense. Hell, even killing whatshisface dragon in this episode instead of the previous would have made sense for Dany to snap, that would have also fixed the plot device scorpions that were suddenly useless in this episode. But no, of course that's too clever writing for the Dumb & Dumber.


I agree they could of had her dragon and Missadei both die in this episode to send her over the edge.


But like i said she has been killing all the way through the series. innocent or not she likes to do it in gruesome ways too..beheadings, incineration both by her and her dragons,mass crucifictions,suffication to name a few.

[Dowly]

But like i said she has been killing all the way through the series. innocent or not she likes to do it in gruesome ways too..beheadings, incineration both by her and her dragons,mass crucifictions,suffication to name a few.She never killed anyone for the sake of killing someone, it was always a punishment for something. Like the crucifixion of the slave owners was because they had done the same to their slaves, or Tarlys being killed because they refused to bend the knee to her, or letting her brother be killed by Khal Drogo because he threatened her. Remember what she did when an actual innocent person got killed by one of her dragons? She locked them away. She's always been portrayed as a liberator, not a tyrant.

[Deepseadiver]

She never killed anyone for the sake of killing someone, it was always a punishment for something. Like the crucifixion of the slave owners was because they had done the same to their slaves, or Tarlys being killed because they refused to bend the knee to her, or letting her brother be killed by Khal Drogo because he threatened her. Remember what she did when an actual innocent person got killed by one of her dragons? She locked them away. She's always been portrayed as a liberator, not a tyrant.

Every crime has a death sentence. She is judge, jury and executioner.

[August]

Every crime has a death sentence. She is judge, jury and executioner.


That's how that type of society is set up.

[Dowly]

That's how that type of society is set up.
Exactly.


Dany's not the only one whose character they butchered in a single episode. Look at both Jaime and Arya!

Arya's done some horrible things throughout the series for revenge and has shown no remorse. Now, at the eve of getting his ultimate revenge, she just turns back. This wouldn't irk me so much had they actually shown her thinking it over across multiple episodes, but no, she goes all the way to KL, reaches the Red Keep and just turns away because Clegane says she's going to end up like him. At that point, Arya is already like him. She is a cold-blooded killer.

Jaime's 180 is no better. His character has grown from the cocky Lannisters4ever dude to actually understand how screwed up his family is. And his switch happens within two episodes, with very little dialogue. Best part is when he tells Tyrion that he has never cared about the people, innocent or otherwise. That's directly at odds with him telling Brienne why he killed the Mad King back in season 3 or 4; to save not only Tywin, but also the people of KL.

It's all so very rushed. :nope:

[Catfish]

So is it a problem with George Martin's writing and storytelling, or does HBO bend it to some incongruous outcome?

I read one of Martin's SciFi stories some years ago, and i have to say i was less than delighted by his "Tuf" character and story telling. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Fans of Game of Thrones have been desperate to find out what happens in season eight, but were left highly disappointed by the episode entitled The Bells.

They were so disappointed, especially by Cersei Lannister's (played by Lena Headey) death, that they have gone and scored the HBO show’s lowest ever rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1127281/Game-of-Thrones-season-8-episode-5-worst-episode-Cersei-Lannister-The-Bells-HBO-video

Hardly surprising really.

[Jimbuna]

So is it a problem with George Martin's writing and storytelling, or does HBO bend it to some incongruous outcome?

I read one of Martin's SciFi stories some years ago, and i have to say i was less than delighted by his "Tuf" character and story telling. :hmmm:

I don’t blame the writers entirely, they are working with what they've got. I blame the person who decided ending this epic series in six episodes was a good idea.

[Dowly]

So is it a problem with George Martin's writing and storytelling, or does HBO bend it to some incongruous outcome?

I read one of Martin's SciFi stories some years ago, and i have to say i was less than delighted by his "Tuf" character and story telling. :hmmm:
GRRM told them how the story ends and gave some pointers as to what happens along the way. That's what D&D had to work with. Now, they aren't wholly bad at writing, there are a lot of stuff in the show that isn't in the books; off the top of my head, the Arya & Tywin scenes at Harrenhall are show only. It's just that they really seem to want to end the show quickly.


I don’t blame the writers entirely, they are working with what they've got. I blame the person who decided ending this epic series in six episodes was a good idea.I've heard HBO offered to fund a 10 episode last season, but it was D&D who turned it down. Not sure if that's confirmed, but it would makes sense from business perspective to keep the show going for a little longer. :hmmm:

[Dowly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpTZ-tC81yA
:haha:

[August]

Exactly.


Dany's not the only one whose character they butchered in a single episode. Look at both Jaime and Arya!

Arya's done some horrible things throughout the series for revenge and has shown no remorse. Now, at the eve of getting his ultimate revenge, she just turns back. This wouldn't irk me so much had they actually shown her thinking it over across multiple episodes, but no, she goes all the way to KL, reaches the Red Keep and just turns away because Clegane says she's going to end up like him. At that point, Arya is already like him. She is a cold-blooded killer.

Jaime's 180 is no better. His character has grown from the cocky Lannisters4ever dude to actually understand how screwed up his family is. And his switch happens within two episodes, with very little dialogue. Best part is when he tells Tyrion that he has never cared about the people, innocent or otherwise. That's directly at odds with him telling Brienne why he killed the Mad King back in season 3 or 4; to save not only Tywin, but also the people of KL.
Yeah they're all pretty much the same in that regard. Even the sainted Eddard Stark lopped off some poor sods head in the first episode.




It's all so very rushed. :nope:

That's the feeling I get as well.

[fireftr18]

Dowly,
:k_rofl: :Kaleun_Salute::Kaleun_Salute: :Kaleun_Cheers::Kaleun_Cheers:

[Jimbuna]

I think ity pretty much obvious by now there is one more major player to be taken care of.

Without naming names I'm wondering which of the three usual suspects will carry out the deed :hmmm:

[Dowly]

Everyone's expecting it to be a certain character who otherwise will have been pointless pretty much the entire series.
Therefore, Dany slips on a banana peel instead and breaks her neck.


*cue 'inside the episode' where they gloat how clever they were*

[Jimbuna]

Only one of said three characters was last seen not to be exiting KL so I'll go for them.

[u crank]

Had to happen. :D

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

[Dowly]

Had to happen. :D

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers
Nearly 550k already. :haha:

[Jimbuna]

Had to happen. :D

https://www.change.org/p/hbo-remake-game-of-thrones-season-8-with-competent-writers

I reckon we've more chance of getting bitten on the bum by a cabbage than seeing that happen.

On cost grounds alone even.

[Dowly]

It's more about showing how displeased people are than actually getting the season remade.

[Jimbuna]

It's more about showing how displeased people are than actually getting the season remade.

Oh I do realise and agree but lets face it.....how could it be remade now when most of the buggas are gone :03:

[Deepseadiver]

The plot for the final episode of GOT has leaked online. If it's really the actual plot..it's horrendous.

[Jimbuna]

The plot for the final episode of GOT has leaked online. If it's really the actual plot..it's horrendous.

A simple Google search will lead you to a few sites that have proven to be quite accurate so far and three of those are now predicting differing outcomes.

I'll be making my mind up after I've seen Sundays final episode.

[Dowly]

The plot for the final episode of GOT has leaked online. If it's really the actual plot..it's horrendous.Yup... :-?

I do appreciate all the memes this season has given us, so it's not all bad. :)

This had me laughing for a good while:
https://files.catbox.moe/7120hq.mp4

[Sailor Steve]

I find it funny that D&D are accused of "bad writing". Even in this last season there are many scenes that carry forward the tradition they've established of having plot lines carried forward by the quiet conversations in the corners. Some of those scenes are amazingly terrific.

What they seem to bad at is the overall storytelling. If they really were offered funding for 10 episodes they should have taken it. Even the most hated plot points could have been justified with more time spent on it. It seems to me that where they fell down was not bad writing, but bad plotting. I hope Martin gets it together and finishes the last two books. I want to find out what his true vision is.

I also hope that this last episode may pull the fat out of the fire, but I'm not counting on it.

[Jimbuna]

Well, that's it. Watched the final episode this morning and the predictable outcome as per most of the final few episodes turned into reality.

Overall I'd say the whole series has been entertaining and enjoyable, definitely better than most series I've seen.

Please bear in mind the episode won't be aired in the UK until 21:00 GMT this evening for example.

[Sailor Steve]

I just finished watching it, and I must say that I'm not disappointed. I found it much more satisfying than I expected. I'm happy with the outcome for most of the characters, with a couple of exceptions, but those aren't a letdown nor do I think they were wrong, I was just hoping for something different.

Overall, I'm glad I watched it and I will watch it again.

[Red October1984]

'twas a victory for breakfast cereal everywhere

[Jimbuna]

https://i.postimg.cc/fLs3m1Zz/sv4bY7O.jpg (https://postimg.cc/sBnDR6vq)

[Dowly]

When I saw Tyrion throw away the Hand pin and realized the leaks were true, I just kinda turned my brain off. What a nonsensical Disney ending. :down:

[Deepseadiver]

If that wasn't bad enough..Jon is banished to the Knights Watch..what they watching for?

Greyworm decides to take his army to Naath. A country so toxic to outsiders you can only spend a couple of hours there before coming down with butterfly fever.

[u crank]

When I saw Tyrion throw away the Hand pin and realized the leaks were true, I just kinda turned my brain off. What a nonsensical Disney ending. :down:

Agreed. Somewhat disappointing. What was required was not a predictable ending. It should have been something no one would have imagined. Given the number of characters and story lines that should have been possible.

The most unbelievable part was that Drogon didn't vaporize Jon.

[Dowly]

The small council scene was so idiotic. The jokes were stupid and none of them really made sense. Bronn has no qualitifications to be the Master of Coin, there's no reason the... sigh... A Song of Fire and Ice would not include Tyrion in it and that debate about brothels was just cringy. Not to mention Bran just coming in for a fart and leaving to do what he always does, be somewhere else (nice choice for a King:doh:).

[Jimbuna]

Not to mention Bran just coming in for a fart and leaving to do what he always does, be somewhere else (nice choice for a King:doh:).

Agreed and what an 'inspirational' name (Bran the Broken) to be known as....not.

I was also surprised to see Jon left the knife in Dany after the stabbing, so much for emotional attachment.

First a coffee cup, now the bottle of water.

https://i.imgur.com/YnFDWyr.jpg

[Dowly]

^There are two scenes from that meeting where you can see a water bottle, and they're two different bottles. :)

[Jimbuna]

Obviously needed for washing the coffee cup previously seen :)

[Onkel Neal]

Daenerys will be back. Dragon was taking her to one of those Red Witch chicks for the Jon Snow Lord of Light treatments.

[Jimbuna]

:haha:

[August]

^There are two scenes from that meeting where you can see a water bottle, and they're two different bottles. :)


The first time was curious, the second kinda suspicious, but a third tells me it was deliberate, at least on somebodies part. I wonder what will be next, "spot the Taco Bell logo in the cannibalism scene and win a free burrito"?

[Platapus]

So is it all over now? Or is there still more to the final season?:

[August]

So is it all over now? Or is there still more to the final season?:


Get ready for spin offs.

[Patboot]

I still don't quite get the thing. Never seen one show, don't want to.
But, then, never been into the D&D thing myself.

[Jimbuna]

Get ready for spin offs.

Game of Thrones prequel starts filming, and its location is familiar.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/game-of-thrones-prequel-starts-filming-and-its-location-is-familiar/ar-AAD4IVW?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

The HBO's spin-off, which is currently untitled, has started filming its pilot on location (reported by Entertainment Weekly) and the location is very familiar to fans of the original series.

The place is Northern Ireland, which was the main location for shooting all of Game of Thrones' eight seasons. There are no further details of whether the new series will shoot in other countries too.

[Dowly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QvZSeOEkrs
(Yes, I'm still bitter.)