[REL] British standard destroyers [Archive]

the_frog

03-18-12, 04:37 PM

Hello!

Tried to create models of the British 1930s standard destroyers more realistic than those originally in SH3 (NDE_River, NDD_C&D). The models represent A, B, C (= Canadian River), D, E&F, G&H, I, and Havant classes:

http://www.mediafire.com/conv/b0a5a8b9635eeaa6e8a0249886ee0c6ffb0174917df626541a 819a2a2a9b30c36g.jpg

Originally fleet destroyers, they were gradually replaced by more modern types, and transformed into escorts. The C/River and Havant classes represent the transformation; all other models sport the fleet destroyer outfit.

The package includes new 4.7 inch guns and torpedo launchers.

Download: http://www.mediafire.com/file/rs169dgnuuau797/A_to_I_class_mod.7z

:ping:

the Frog

bigboywooly

03-18-12, 04:56 PM

Nice one the_frog :yeah:
Downloading now

Sailor Steve

03-18-12, 07:51 PM

Looks good! :rock:

BossMark

03-19-12, 02:15 AM

Nice gunna download it now :salute::yeah:

coronas

03-19-12, 05:42 AM

Excellent work!

:salute:

JapLance

03-19-12, 07:10 AM

Excellent work, the_frog

Lovely ships, and they look great in SH4 as well :up:.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/AClass_TheFrog.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/DClass_TheFrog.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/CRiverClass_TheFrog.jpg
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/BClass_TheFrog.jpg

Missing Name

03-19-12, 09:26 AM

I will be taking a look at this! They look great so far.

the_frog

03-20-12, 03:21 PM

@japlance: nice images, especially the one of the River class (sadly, the maple leaf's not visible)

Sailor Steve

03-20-12, 05:52 PM

That's the RN flag. The Maple Leaf wouldn't be there anyway, as they didn't use it until 1957. This is the WW2 Canadian flag.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/800px-Flag_of_Canada_1921_svg-1.jpg

Magic1111

03-21-12, 06:14 AM

Tried to create models of the British 1930s standard destroyers more realistic than those originally in SH3 (NDE_River, NDD_C&D). The models represent A, B, C (= Canadian River), D, E&F, G&H, I, and Havant classes:
...

Excellent work! :yeah:

jaxa

03-24-12, 02:26 PM

What about GWX campaign? Will these new destroyers be properly scripted into GWX campaign after I enable them?

bigboywooly

03-24-12, 02:53 PM

What about GWX campaign? Will these new destroyers be properly scripted into GWX campaign after I enable them?

They will show ingame as the RND does call for generic type=4 ( destroyer ) entries

If you fancy a challange you can open the SCR in note pad and in the find function type in
HMS E and hit find

After a couple of HMS Eskimo ( Tribal class ) you will come across HMS Esk which by looking thru the roster cfgs of this mod you will find was an E class destroyer

[Group 26.Unit 2]
Name=HMS Esk
Class=DDV&W
Type=4
Origin=British

Change to

[Group 26.Unit 2]
Name=HMS Esk
Class=DDE&F
Type=4
Origin=British

There are many instances such as that in the SCR - when I added any new scripting I always tried to use the real ships names just incase that model came available at a later date
As in this case

Hit find again and next one in the list is

[Group 43.Unit 28]
Name=HMS Escapade
Class=DDCClass
Type=4
Origin=British

again HMS Escapade was an E class destroyer

Further 21 records of an E class after that one

Similary searching for HMS F will bring up 4 F class DDs that can be reclassed

HMS G will yield 5 replacements and so on

Always remember to cross check with the roster cfg for the actual ship names of that class as many destroyers names may begin with letters but not of that class ie Eskimo (tribal not E class ) Ghurka ( Tribal not G class )

:salute:

the_frog

03-24-12, 03:22 PM

Hello,

bringing the destroyer into the game is kind of a nightmare. As BBW stated, the scripted layer can be edited but most of the destroyers appear within convoys or battlegroups. It requires editing of all the respectives entries.

An alternative could be to replace NDD_C&D and NDE_River by some of the new models.

@sailor steve:
Right, the maple leaf flag was introduced later and RCN ships were flying the White Ensign during the war. However, towards the end of the war, RCN ships sported a maple leaf painted on the sides of the (aft) funnel, usually in greyish blue. I made the River Class ships having the funnel mark from the start.

Cheers

bigboywooly

03-24-12, 04:18 PM

NDE_River not in GWX
Was replaced by the River class frigate :yeah:

Sailor Steve

03-24-12, 04:54 PM

@sailor steve:
Right, the maple leaf flag was introduced later and RCN ships were flying the White Ensign during the war. However, towards the end of the war, RCN ships sported a maple leaf painted on the sides of the (aft) funnel, usually in greyish blue. I made the River Class ships having the funnel mark from the start.
Ah, gotcha! Actually that's pretty cool! :rock:

Alex

03-25-12, 08:13 AM

Hey frog, that's a lot of nice-looking ships you've got there. Congratulations. :yeah:

the_frog

04-09-12, 03:50 PM

Missing Name

04-09-12, 08:22 PM

Nice! Loving the last batch of destroyers, and I'll try this one out!

Sailor Steve

04-09-12, 10:00 PM

I've just noticed that in the Ship Names files the E&F and G&M listings are identical. Both have the G&M names only.

bigboywooly

04-10-12, 08:12 AM

I've just noticed that in the Ship Names files the E&F and G&M listings are identical. Both have the G&M names only.

Odd

Mine has

[UnitClass]
ClassName=DDE&F
UnitType=4
AppearanceDate=19340830
DisappearanceDate=19451231
DisplayName=BR DD E&F Class

[Unit 1]
Name=HMS Echo
DOC=19341022
DOD=19440404

[Unit 2]
Name=HMS Eclipse
DOC=19341129
DOD=19431024

[Unit 3]
Name=HMS Electra
DOC=19340913
DOD=19420227

[Unit 4]
Name=HMS Encounter
DOC=19341102
DOD=19420301

[Unit 5]
Name=HMS Escapade
DOC=19340830
DOD=19461126

[Unit 6]
Name=HMS Escort
DOC=19341030
DOD=19400711

[Unit 7]
Name=HMS Esk
DOC=19340928
DOD=19400831

[Unit 8]
Name=HMS Express
DOC=19341102
DOD=19430531

[Unit 9]
Name=HMS Fame
DOC=19350426
DOD=19471231

[Unit 10]
Name=HMS Fearless
DOC=19341222
DOD=19420723

[Unit 11]
Name=HMS Firedrake
DOC=19350530
DOD=19421216

[Unit 12]
Name=HMS Foresight
DOC=19350515
DOD=19420812

[Unit 13]
Name=HMS Forester
DOC=19350329
DOD=19460122

[Unit 14]
Name=HMS Fortune
DOC=19350427
DOD=19430531

[Unit 15]
Name=HMS Foxhound
DOC=19350606
DOD=19440208

[Unit 16]
Name=HMS Fury
DOC=19350518
DOD=19440621

Sailor Steve

04-10-12, 10:58 AM

That's the in-game Roster list. Ship names aren't generated from there, but from the SH3 Commander Ship Names list. The Frog provided individual lists for insertion to that master list so Commander can provide names. That is the one which has the wrong names in it.

Of course I will use the Roster list to change mine, and the next update of Ship Names will have all these destroyers included. :sunny:

[edit] Fixed. The May Ship Names update will definitely have all of the new destroyer types on it, so the player only has to install the mod to SH3 and not worry about Commander.

the_frog

04-10-12, 02:00 PM

Right, I managed to mess up the Ship names cfg files ... :yep:

Sailor Steve solved the problem already (by copying the content of the roster files, I guess ...)

Anyway, here's the correct content of Ship names_DDE&F.cfg:

[DDE&F]
CrewRange=145|165
0001=HMS Echo
0002=HMS Eclipse
0003=HMS Electra
0004=HMS Encounter
0005=HMS Escapade
0006=HMS Escort
0007=HMS Esk
0008=HMS Express
0009=HMS Fame
0010=HMS Fearless
0011=HMS Firedrake
0012=HMS Foresight
0013=HMS Forester
0014=HMS Fortune
0015=HMS Foxhound
0016=HMS Fury
0017=HMCS Gatineau
0018=HMCS Saskatchewan
0019=HMCS Qu'Appelle
0020=RHS Navarinon

Sailor Steve

04-10-12, 06:20 PM

Cool! I didn't have those last four, but now I do. :D

JapLance

06-12-12, 09:46 AM

Hello!

Instead of littering the forum with another thread, I just use the existing one ...

... so, here's an add-on to the destroyer package:

The Vasilefs Georgios class destroyers of the Royal Hellenic Navy, built in the UK on base of the G class, were armed with German guns, making them uniques crossovers.
I produced a model representing them. It comes with several library files, including the gun_SB files created by Sergbuto (the big mods have them already). The 12.7 cm gun has been converted from SOM group's SH4 mod "Battle for the Baltic". For details, please read the documentation file.

http://www.mediafire.com/conv/0192d5d2ebfd0538bae330a1bd0f25f0b18ffd45c8da4cb33c 65e0d007b7855e6g.jpg

Download here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/74nuors1gg5j9ei/NDD_Vasilefs_Georgios_mod.7z

Cheers -- the Frog

Hi, the Frog

As you may know, I usually take any newly released SH3 ships into SH4 for my own use, and this one is no exception. But I'm stuck with the Greek destroyer.

In nod X01 of the Vassileff Giorgios there should be a 3inch_platform, but none of the libraries included with the download have this object. Is it part of an original SH3 library?

Thanks for your help :up:

EDIT: Just found the object in the Guns_UK.dat. Now I need to discover why it doesn't show up in SH4. Apologies for the stupid question.

the_frog

06-12-12, 05:04 PM

May sound silly but did you check for the platform to show up after June 41? Before, there should be the aft torpedo bank.

JapLance

06-13-12, 01:26 AM

May sound silly but did you check for the platform to show up after June 41? Before, there should be the aft torpedo bank.

Yes, I know that the 3in gun substitutes one of the torpedo tube sets. The thing is that the 3in gun was hanging in the air :damn:.

After some thinking, now I know what happened. Adding an extra blank line at the end of the .eqp file did the trick.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/VassileffGiorgios_TheFrog.jpg

Thank you again for another wonderful ship!

the_frog

06-13-12, 04:27 PM

Did I forget/remove the end mark?

JapLance

06-14-12, 01:22 AM

Yes, the empty end line is missing in the original .eqp file (I had to check it).

the_frog

06-14-12, 03:28 PM

Very interesting, the "missing" empty end line has no effect in SH3 but in SH4 ... :hmmm:

the_frog

06-14-12, 03:35 PM

Very interesting, the "missing" empty end line has no effect in SH3 but in SH4 ... :hmmm:

JapLance

06-15-12, 02:06 PM

I don't know about SH3, but indeed in SH4 there has to be an empty line at the end of the file, or the last equipment is somehow not read. I already got the habit of leaving that extra line from editing other games that seems to suffer the same problem.

I see in your blog that you keep creating new ships :rock:. Is that the whole line of J-class destroyers and derivatives?. While setting up your line of 30's destroyers for my SH4 I did some reading on the rest of classes, and it was really messy: different guns in ships of the same class, different mounts... It must be a nightmare to model.

Anyway, excellent work. I can't wait to have them :arrgh!:.

the_frog

06-15-12, 05:59 PM

The principal aim is creating a replacement of the ugly stock SH3 J class; for the rest, let's see.
And yes, the J, K, N class follow-ups were rather different ...

Vince82

06-16-12, 03:53 PM

I get this message when I try to enable using JSGME. It's conflicting with the Frog's(/your) new NMS Algerine mod.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9838/modconflict.jpg

the_frog

06-16-12, 06:57 PM

... the destroyers have an older version of the guns_UK.* files. So, install the destroyers first, then the Algerine, or only install the files in the roster and sea subfolders. Otherwise, the Algerines will have not all weapons.

Vince82

06-16-12, 08:34 PM

Vielen dank.

Niume

03-16-20, 05:11 AM

Why do these destroyers don't have sonar? Is there a fix?

Ktl_KUrtz

03-16-20, 08:10 AM

I am running the latest version of NYGM.
Do I need to download these ships?
Many thanks if you can help.

KUrtz

John Pancoast

03-16-20, 01:15 PM

I am running the latest version of NYGM.
Do I need to download these ships?
Many thanks if you can help.

KUrtz

It shouldn't matter if you use them or not. If you do, might want to check their sonar/hydrophone settings and match them with NYGM's.

Ktl_KUrtz

03-16-20, 02:45 PM

It shouldn't matter if you use them or not. If you do, might want to check their sonar/hydrophone settings and match them with NYGM's.
Thanks John,
Will do!

KUrtz

John Pancoast

03-16-20, 02:50 PM

Thanks John,
Will do!

KUrtz

No problem. Me, I don't care how they look; I don't want to see them that close anyway ! <g>.

JapLance

07-13-20, 01:11 PM

I know this ships are relatively old and the_frog seems to have vanished, but with the SH4 release of a revamp of Operation Monsoon mod by Fifi I decided to port these (and the rest of the_frog magnificent ships) to my SH4 once and for all (lost my previous work a while ago).

I wondered if someone with naval WW2 expertise could help me with the ID of the skins that came with this pack, as I'm struggling with some of the textures.

For every class I create a text file with the info I can get, that looks like this

A-Class:

T01=Prewar 1939
T02=1939-40
T03=1940
T04=1941-42
T05=1942
T06=Acasta 1940
T07=Ardent 1940
T08=WA 1941
T09=WA 1941-42
T10=1942-43
T11=HMS Anthony 1941-42?
T12=HMS Achates 1943-44?
T13=1944
T14=1945
T15=1944-45
T16=1945

Where known, I enter the ship and the approximate time the pattern was worn. It's a very tedious task, and in many cases I haven't found evidences or can't find the date for a pic so I have to guess (the ? marks).

Anyone here that could help?

Anvar1061

07-13-20, 01:24 PM

Anyone here that could help?
https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/Kaleun_Wink.gif

https://uboat.net/allies/warships/class/9.html

blackswan40

07-13-20, 06:34 PM

I did some digging on British WWII Escort Camouflarge and found this

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=World+War+II+Destroyer+Classes&form=IDINTS&first=1&scenario=ImageBasicHover

https://brexitmodeller.com/forums/topic/2245-royal-navy-ww2-camouflage-designs/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_World_War_II_destroyers#A_and_B

British and Commonwealth Warship Camouflage of WWII: Destroyers, Frigates, Escorts, by (Malcolm George Wright) you can look in the book lots on colour diagrams ect

https://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Commonwealth-Warship-Camouflage-Minesweepers/dp/1848322054/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/262-6574501-0714306?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1848322054&pd_rd_r=8dd63300-2ad8-460e-baf7-9d50da385dae&pd_rd_w=qE8r3&pd_rd_wg=nv21V&pf_rd_p=2773aa8e-42c5-4dbe-bda8-5cdf226aa078&pf_rd_r=NBN0T5QDACEKT62XSQQR&psc=1&refRID=NBN0T5QDACEKT62XSQQR#reader_B00WQ4QV3S

JapLance

07-14-20, 12:10 PM

Thank you guys, but maybe I didn't explain the problem clearly.

I don't need sites with pictures. One main problem is dating the images I can get in Google or Bing. I need to know if a camo was on a certain ship in 1942, or 1943 or whenever. The more accurate, the better.

Then there are some of the textures which I can't find a ship to match. For instance, this one:

https://i.imgur.com/kwxYcVf.png

It's supposed to be a G&H destroyer, but I never found a pic with a similar camo in any of the ships of the class.

blackswan40

07-14-20, 05:06 PM

Hi JapLance the last link i posted was for a book theres only a few escort images because you cant look through the full book but heres a sample of the source data there in
The Kindle version is £9.99 or £30.00 for the hard cover version

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1230&pictureid=11179

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1230&pictureid=11180

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=1230&pictureid=11181