SH5 Historical Accuracy?

[darrincates]

I'm new at SH5, but I was aware enough to note that some of the radio messages I received were somewhat historically accurate in vessels sinking, the time and location of sinking as well.

Since I'm up to par on tonnage, and just waiting for my June 1st date to roll around, I figured I'd try and see if I could witness (or take part of) a historical sinking being recreated for the sake of the radio message I would receive.

I got information on the next historical sinking from here (http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/ships/48.html), and showed up at the right place three days early. the Radio message came in with slightly different coordinates and thus discovered that SH5 was a little off on the location compared to the page here (http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/ships/48.html), so I reloaded, and went to where SH5 said the sinking took place, but I saw & heard nothing at all except the radio message that did eventually come in stating that the historical sinking of the Jern took place right where I had been sitting for days and saw/heard nothing?: http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/Jern.jpg


I did this as a test in hoping that while I wait for June 1st, I could get in as many historricaly accurate battles before hand. I was really hoping to get over to Scapa Flow for the HMS Royal Oak on 10/14/1939 and actually witness or take part? ...

Is it possible to show up at the right place and time to take part in historically accurate engagements? Thanks! - darrin

[TheDarkWraith]

If the radio message doesn't show up in cyan color it's for immersion purposes only.

Maybe you can talk Trevally into scripting these events you are wanting to see into OHII :hmmm:

[darrincates]

right on, ... I'll keep an eye out for cyan ... Thanks ...

So as far as you know, I can't just simply show up at Scapa Flow on Oct 14th, 39 and witness the Oak engagement? .. That seems too bad since it seemed a HUGE event ... too bad to have to miss it! .... what, and I'l miss out on every other great historical engagement in the North Atlantic too? ... (unless I play the 'Historical Missions' ... which don't tie in with my campaign obviously .... ) - thanks again - Darrin

[Trevally.]

right on, ... I'll keep an eye out for cyan ... Thanks ...

So as far as you know, I can't just simply show up at Scapa Flow on Oct 14th, 39 and witness the Oak engagement? .. That seems too bad since it seemed a HUGE event ... too bad to have to miss it! .... what, and I'l miss out on every other great historical engagement in the North Atlantic too? ... (unless I play the 'Historical Missions' ... which don't tie in with my campaign obviously .... ) - thanks again - Darrin

If you install OHII - not only will you see the attack in Scapa flow, you will be expected to do it:up:

If you want any historical battle to be put into the campaign - just post a request in the OHII thread and I wil have a look:DL

[darrincates]

If you install OHII - not only will you see the attack in Scapa flow, you will be expected to do it:up:

What!?!? .... That sounds great! ... will OHII it work if enabled over/after these?:

http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/mods1.jpg

and will I need to start a new campaign?

If you want any historical battle to be put into the campaign - just post a request in the OHII thread and I wil have a look:DL

I just might! .. ... Thanks!

[Trevally.]

See here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=190656) for help with mods and what order to put them.
OHII will work with your list, but look at the install order against the example in the thread I posted.

Yes - you will need to start a new campaign:arrgh!:

[darrincates]

See here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=190656) for help ... will do ... I know my order is a little messed up, but it works, and they all go on or off w/o conflict .... but after looking at your mod page ... I think I might start with a fresh install ..... and use the mods you said you have in order as of 03/02/12 ..... You think I should do a clean re-install of SH5 , or simply diable all mods, then enable them all in the right order?

Yes - you will need to start a new campaign:arrgh!: DOH! ... i just KNEW you were gonna say that ... but I'm only at 09/28/39 so no bigdeal, ... it'll be WORTH it from what I read about OHII! - thanks again! - Darrin

[Trevally.]

You think I should do a clean re-install of SH5 , or simply diable all mods, then enable them all in the right order?

Imnot sure:hmmm:

You could just uninstall all mods - move the mod folder to your desktop.
Run JSGME so that it makes a new MODS folder in your SH5 dir.
Copy and paste you mods to the new MODS folder that jsgme has just made.
Run jsgme and install in suggested order.

Doing this will get rid of some issues you can get with jsgme if you change your mods a lot.

[darrincates]

... move the mod folder to ... .
Run JSGME so that it makes a new MODS folder in your SH5 dir.
Copy and paste your mods to the new MODS folder that jsgme has just made. Run jsgme and install in suggested order.

Excellent tip! ... I would not have thought of that, and SO glad you mentioned it ... I'll do it just as you suggested after work & supper, and let you know ... it'll probably work great using that process:


Launch JSGME, Disable all Mods
Close JSGME
Move SH5/MODS dir to temp location
Launch JSGME which will create create NEW (empty) SH5/MODS dir
Put all desired MODS (+ new OHII MOD) into NEW SH5/MODS dir
Launch JSGME
Enable desired MODS in order as specified here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=190656)
Thnkas! - Darrin

[darrincates]

Thanks for the push in the right direction! It looks like I'm all set up now with the latest OHII and patch!

I started a new campaign before activating any MODS, went through tutorial, got to Kiel and got the green tick, then closed, activated all mods, and started another new campaign, but it did not offer to skip tutorial, .... So I loaded up the auto save from getting the green tick at Kiel from before I activated the MODS, and now I do see different things on my map in upper left corner (plus new main menu top banner says OHII 1939 - 1945).
Does this mean I'm good to go with OHII working and in place? Even though I was not able to start a new campaign after activating the MODS (because it didn't offer to skip the Tutorial, and thats why I simply loaded the auto save after activating ALL the MODS).

Should I simply start a new campaign with all the MODS activated and go through the Tutorial again?, or am I good to go now? How can I tell for sure that my campaign is useing OHII?

I opened up my newest Campaign-2012-03-09_0102\Campaign.cfg and see this:

[Campaign]
NameId=TotalGermany39
Title=Campaign.Title
Description=Campaign.Description
StartDate=19390903
EndDate=19400601
IsStartingCampaign=true
RequiredSubTypes=SSTypeIIA,SSTypeVIIA,SSTypeVIIB,S STypeVIIC
RequiredProfileAchievements=
RequiredCareerAchievements=

[Campaign.CampObj]
Name=Campaign.CampObj.Name
ValuePointsRequired=8
ValuePointsMajorVictory=10
DateMajorVictory=19400601
DateHistoricalVictory=19400601
IsCompleted=false
IsFailed=false
DateOfCompletion=0

[Campaign.CampObj.MacroObj 1]
ObjectiveID=TG_Scapa_Flow
Name=Campaign.CampObj.MacroObj 1.Name
MapZone=Scapa_Raid
ValuePointsProvided=1
FurtherInfo=Campaign.CampObj.MacroObj 1.FurtherInfo
StartDate=19390910
EndDate=19391015
IsCompleted=false
IsFailed=false
IsUnlocked=true
AssocMissionsActive=
AssocMissionsCompleted=
ObjActivationAchievements=

[Campaign.CampObj.MacroObj 1.PersObj 1]
PersObjType=0
Name=Sink_1_capital_ship_in_Scapa_Flow
Description=Campaign.CampObj.MacroObj 1.PersObj 1.Description
RelatedMapLocations=
IsCompleted=false

and so on ....

It looks like there is new stuff in there, compared to older Campaign.cfg's I opened in other older folders .... Does this mean I'm now on my way utilizing OHII?


Here's my new map and the top left looks different now:

http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII_1st_start_sm.jpg

http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII_1st_start_sm.jpg



I hope I'm actually running the OHII even though I could not start a new campaign and skip the tutorial AFTER activating my MODS? ... It never offered to skip tutorial for some reason, and actually went right into the tutorial immediatly ... I tried to start a new campaign twice and it never offered to skip Tutorial. That's why I loaded the auto save reaching kiel from before I activated all the MODS, I hope it will still work, or is working now.

On a different note: I followed your suggested MOD soup order of activation, then, then added my other MODS that I like (that were not listed in your soup) at the end ...

It said there were conflicts as I activated, but I went with through with it it anyways ... I hope I didn't mess it all up:

http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/activated_mods.jpg

http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/activated_mods.jpg

Is this overwriting and warnings OK? Just go through with it anyways?

All seems to be ok with the gameplay itself, and all seems to be working as I want it to as long as I'm actually utilizing OHII with the exception of one thing ..... the wake looks different now ... never saw it like this:



http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII_Water2.jpg

Is this normal? It used to look very realistic before this massive MOD upgrade ... now it looks like someone took a big paintbrush across the foam ....

If I can verify I am on my way with OHII working correctly, I won't care about this wierd looking trail ..... unless someone knows what is causing it or if it is suppossed to look like that now .... or If I can fix it manually?

Thanks again SO much, I just want to get back to late Sept 39 again so I can look forward to actually having a role in Scapa in Oct, as well as other historical events! - Thank you! - Darrin Cates

[Trevally.]

Hi darrincates:salute:

It looks like the campaign has loaded ok:up:

If you want to be sure, follow this guide for starting OHII:-
Starting New Career
Just click "New Campaign" - enter your name and select the first campaign "Coastal Waters". Skip the tutorial.

UPDATE: The tutorial is now working (from v1.7) so you can install your mods and OHII to play the tutorial. If you use TDWs UI, you need to enable the strategic marker on the TIA. You can do this with the options button at the base of the TAI (small target shap button).

If you do have problems with the tutorial - use the info below to start your career.

When starting a new campaign using OHII - DO NOT PLAY THE TUTORIAL - you will get a ctd when returing to Kiel at the end of the tut. Select "Skip Tutorial" when starting.
If you are not getting an option to skip the tutorial when starting a new career, go to Documents\SH5\data\cfg\CareerHistory.cfg and edit the file with Notepad. Change the following line:

HasCompletedTutorial=false
with
HasCompletedTutorial=true

[darrincates]

Hi darrincates:salute:
It looks like the campaign has loaded ok:up:

PHEW! ... PHEW! ... I will verify strategic marker is enabled ... What would be the first 'event' (radio message from BDU?) that would verify that OHII is running the campaign vs the stock SH5 campaign?

ie: Is there a particular date/mission/radio message, that will verify I can be SURE I'm running the OHII campaign?

I do apologize as I have OCD, and need to be sure before I'll be able to relax & enjoy ....

Also, any idea about the water in my wake? ... Is it suppossed to look like that? Or is one of my MODS clashing with enviroment MOD?

http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII_Water2.jpg

It kinda looks like someone used a big paintbrush across it ....

Thanks again for helping me verify OH II is in control of my campaign, and lemme know what you think about my wake as well! // TTYL! - Darrin

PS I have a GIG of authentic radio programs/news broadcasts, variety shows, etc, from Britain & Germany for Sept - Dec of 1939 and some spring/summer of 1940. 40+ radio stations if you ever need anything like that. (I'll dig for more as I get to the dates in campaign. Some are hours long .. great listening and brings a little extra authentic real feel when on the surface. One is a full day broadcast all day long.

[Captain_AJ]

Haze grey and under the water !! would love to hear about your campaign ! as it progresses

:salute: Kauleun

[Trevally.]

The fact that the first campaign is called Coastal Waters rathen than Total germany, shows the campaign files have loaded:up:

To ensure the extras have loaded - you should see buoys as you leave and enter bases:DL

Re: wake - sorry, I have not seen that before

[Trevally.]

http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII_1st_start_sm.jpg


You should try Harbour Pilot - it will save you having to plot through the canal:up:

[darrincates]

Haze grey and under the water !! would love to hear about your campaign ! as it progresses:salute: Kauleun
I wish you could be in the sub with me! .... like a multiplayer sub .. where everyones role in the sub was relative and had bearing ... and we talked using teamspeak, ... I could do sonar ALL day/night EZ and let someone else navigate ... I should keep a screenshot journal since I'm at the very start ... I'm aiming to take my time, and make the most of it as accurate as possible ... Using this as a sort of guide: http://worldatwartimeline.com/battleattlantic/ba1939/ba091939.htm

I have never been past Spet 28th 1939 .... Thanks to you guys and all the MODS and OHII, I am really anxiuos to see what happens at Scapa on 10/14/39!

The fact that the first campaign is called Coastal Waters rathen than Total germany, shows the campaign files have loaded:up:

Good! - I saw that and wondered if that was verification enough of OHII in control .... I'm a pretty typical guy, and guys typically need verification from another guy to believe it could be true. .... Too good to be true!

To ensure the extras have loaded - you should see buoys as you leave and enter bases:DL

NICE! - Thats the exact verification I'll look for!, I'm 1/2 way down river now, but I'll fly the camera back to take a look. If I see bouys, I can relax knowing I'm in for the great OHII ride! I'm anxious like a kid in candy store comapred to Stock SH5 ...

Re: wake - sorry, I have not seen that before

Pretty strange, I don't like it at all .... but I'll ride it out for now ...

You should try Harbour Pilot - it will save you having to plot through the canal:up:

What!?!? There's an autopilot for SH5? .... - Thanks again to modders and helpful people ... new but starting to get the hang of it.

[darrincates]

... To ensure the extras have loaded - you should see buoys as you leave and enter bases:DL

Now, I'm not sure if I'm running OHII correctly ... I haven't spotted any bouys at all as I left Kiel for 1st time on fresh new campaign that I added the mods too after I did the tutorial, tried to start a new campaign, but it didn't offer me to skip the tutorial and went right to loading ... I even went out flying around the whole area looking

http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/no_bouys.jpg

and am now headed downriver and don't see any ... do you think I don't have it installed correctly? or something isn't working right? ... or maybe you have a MOD activated that I do not? ... thanks for checking! ...

Do you happen to know of any other 'clues' (in game or out) that would prove I'm running the OHII modified campaign?
I think I read about whales in OHII and want to be sure to see them too!

Thanks again! - darrin

[Trevally.]

Hi Darren

Yes - from you picture it does not look correct. Here is a picture showing where the buoys are in Kiel. The green boxes are buoys

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/962/73928539.jpg

I think you should start a new career:yep:
Before you do goto -
C:\Users\Owner\Documents\SH5\data\cfg\CareerHistor y.CFG
open this file with notepad.
Look for this at the top of the file -

[CareerProgress]
ProgressID=Campaign-2012-03-09_2207
ProgressDate=19430317
CampaignID=TurningPoint43
HasCompletedTutorial=true

Make sure "HasCompletedTutorial" is set to true.
Start new career and skip tutorial:up:

[darrincates]

First off, thank you ... :up: I really appreciate you helpin' me out like this ... really ...

I did as you said, and changed "HasCompletedTutorial=true"

http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII/OHII_05.jpg



Launch a New career and see this:
http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII/OHII_01.jpg
:o
I thought that was wierd, rebooted, same thing when in base! .... so I started a new campaign, and this time it looked like this, but I did speak to admiral who basically said I have to do the tutorial?

http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII/OHII_02.jpg


So I went along with it, and started out.

As soon as I hit escape and the camera left the building it cleared up and I noticed the list off missions incomplete ... looks like more than stock SH5?:
http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII/OHII_03.jpg


I checked CareerHistory.cfg and it was still set to Tutorial as true ..... went back in ....

Leaving harbor (headed for tutorial ground ... wierd but kewl), I did see and hear bouys! (and they have great bell sounds!) ... I don't remember seeing them or not before, .... but maybe because it was day when I was here last .... I checked on map but I do not see them, no big deal to me on map (would be nice, but I'm more concerened with making sure I'm running OHII campaign or not ...
http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII/OHII_11.jpg


Not on Map:
http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII/OHII_10.jpg




My map Settings:
http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII/OHII_09.jpg


So I read the post that said OHII can handle the Tutorial now, so I started new camp and I did do tutorial. ... and I see all the failed objectives ...


Are there objectives in there that you see, that verify I'm running OHII?:


Also, I have not installed "Trevally Harbour & Kiel Canal Pilot v2.9.7z" yet, as I want to make sure this is working first .... I don't run any real nav stuff at all ... yet ...

Thanks again for helping me figure this out ... maybe I'll learn more after returning to Keil? Is there something there will happen that can clue me in? ... or am I lost cause:wah: .. or worrying too much? I should just get into it a bit and see how it goes ..... I'd hate to get too far, and realize I have to start over, ...

The Tutorial mission objectives as the only option when I skip the tutorial? ...

Does the screen above prove I have OHII in control, and does it show that it will be in control for the whole deal?

Should I start a fresh camp, and DO the tutorial because I read this:

"The tutorial is now working (from v1.7) so you can install your mods and OHII to play the tutorial. If you use TDWs UI, you need to enable the strategic marker on the TIA. You can do this with the options button at the base of the TAI (small target shap button).
[ http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=189818&page=55 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=189818&page=55) ]"

Or should I do this further down tha page?:
"When starting a new campaign using OHII - DO NOT PLAY THE TUTORIAL - you will get a ctd when returing to Kiel at the end of the tut. Select "Skip Tutorial" when starting.
If you are not getting an option to skip the tutorial when starting a new career, go to Documents\SH5\data\cfg\CareerHistory.cfg and edit the file with Notepad. Change the following line:

HasCompletedTutorial=false
with
HasCompletedTutorial=true"

So if I don't see the bouys in the map like yor screen than, I'm NOT running OHII for sure?

I read this:
"Mines, nets, icebergs, dolphins, buoys, whales. *"

Can you tell me where the nets are? So I can check for them? And If I do see them, does that mean OHII is in control for sure?
I do see bouys ... Again, I do apologize for my OCD ... and thank you for helping me get under way .. you rock! -

Thanks again Trevally ... I played last night and it feels different for sure ... more boats in Harbor, Bouys are in there (but not on map) ... and there seemed to be a few more historical radio messages ... On my way to Tutorial grounds, the usual tutorial 'sitting Ducks' were'nt there, but other merchants are around an in transit ... I'll get my four and head back to Keil ... and see what happens! - Thanks! Darrin

[Trevally.]

Hi Darrin,

I cant see any pictures, but it sounds like everything is ok with the campaign:up:

The buoys are not set to be on the map - so that is ok
You will find nets when you goto scapa in one of the missions:DL

[darrincates]

Pic linkage got wiped last edit ... I'll re do them just so you can see .... but ... I now believe OHII is in control too! ... I see and hear bouys, (awseome) and am now looking forward to seeing Nets & Mines! ....

Thanks again for everything ... I think I'm on my way now ... and you need a break from Mr. OCD! ....

As I read through all the subsim forums & posts I see that you truly ROCK on many levels, and help many, many people along the way .... I hope it comes back to you, because I now have the greatest, most awesome, SH5 ever ... better than I thought it could ever be! - Darrin

[Trevally.]

Thanks Darrin:salute:

Sink em all:arrgh!:

[darrincates]

Sink em all:arrgh!: .. right to the bottom ... in historically accurate chronological order ... :rock:

[darrincates]

I'm into it now .... NOW I see Breaking the Fortress!!! ... Oct 15th ... Scapa ....

Also, the dates for Eastern Waters are now 12/01 instead of 06/01/40 ...

More shipping, more boats, lively harbors, Aircraft overhead, smarter AI, you've improved SO much .... love the harbor bouys .... I think I even saw Thompson waving to me in Keil .....

OH II is going to be SO much better than stock SH5 campaign, and it gives me the historical accuracy that I had originally posted about! .. It was worth the set up, and thanks for the guidance ..... As I do a few days per night .. I see this will take a LONG time to play out and get to the end .... And I love it!

http://www.mainecustomdesign.com/SH5/OHII/0015_sm.jpg