Neutral ships

[Luken]

From what I found in SH3 you are losing your renown if you will sunk neutral ship (true?), how it works in SH5? I just had a situation where at night, with medium fog, I found a ship that was not illuminated and was traveling from British port. It was impossible to see a flag even from 500m, I though - he is in the war zone, not illuminated, so I should assume that it is an enemy (true?), after I shelled him, a fire on deck illuminated the flag - flag of Denmark. It looks like command is happy (I got a message with "Good work!" and completed mission), but is it true? That was a neutral ship :-? . Are there some precise guidelines of when attacking neutral ships is correct?


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Luken

[THE_MASK]

C:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\data\Scripts\AI\Events\GAMEPLAY_ShipSunk

[Luken]

Hmm, it means there is no difference between sinking enemy ships and neutral ships :hmmm: . A bit strange, but thanks.

[Rongel]

But I think you still get renown penalty for sinking neutral ships. This is from data/cfg/basic.cfg-file:

[RENOWN]
RenownReachGridObjCompleted=500
RenownPatrolGridObjCompleted=200
CompletedPatrol=100
NEUTRAL=-1
ALLIED=1
AXIS=-10
WrongShipSunk=-5000
FirstRankRenown=1000
SecondRankRenown=3500
EndCampaign=-5000

So if you sink a ship with 400 renown value and it's a neutral, I think you get -400 point. At least I hope it works that way.

[Luken]

http://i42.tinypic.com/1gocb6.jpg

Fishing trawler without a flag - I let him go, was it right?

[misha1967]

Not really worth sinking anyway, hardly any tonnage, so yes, I'd say it was the right thing to do.

Also, I'm not really into sinking fishermen. It's not like they contribute all that much to the enemy's war effort. :)

[Maki4444]

Well I think you can leave things up to your imagination. If you read the campaign messages from the BdU they often change the rules of engagement. Secondly thje ships that are true neutral in mtns mod are actualy lighted up at night, cool right ;) So if you come across a neutral ship in 1939 and the ROE don't specify sinking neutral ships, just let the ship go no matter what the game says about renown. I once found an Icelandic ship in 1940, it was dark and Iceland was marked red like an enemy country, however I found out on the Net that Before and during the early stages of the war Germany wanted to maintain very friendly relations with Iceland, but then in 1940 I think Britain invaded Iceland as a preemtive measure....so I was thinking we Germans like the poor Icelandics......we will win the war and liberate them in a few months....I don't want any bad blood.....so I let him go :D

Make up your own realism :D The German captains also had a hard time making field decisions weather to sink a non British ship ;)

[Luken]

Thanks, I also made a decision only by "role-playing" my captain :D . Poor fisherman, but If I could I would warn him, that he should install some lights or next time he may not be able to go back home ;) .

[Maki4444]

Thanks, I also made a decision only by "role-playing" my captain :D . Poor fisherman, but If I could I would warn him, that he should install some lights or next time he may not be able to go back home ;) .

You can try the more traffic nations and ships mod or known as mtns http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=183101&page=49

Here you can find neutrals which have lights on at night and distingush them from the ones that are dark and trying to sneak contraband around ;)

[Luken]

You can try the more traffic nations and ships mod or known as mtns http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=183101&page=49

Here you can find neutrals which have lights on at night and distingush them from the ones that are dark and trying to sneak contraband around ;)

I'm using it, and that Danish neutral ship from first post wasn't illuminated at night :hmmm: .

[Maki4444]

I'm using it, and that Danish neutral ship from first post wasn't illuminated at night :hmmm: .

There you go then. Don't worry he was off to Denmark for more supplies, when he comes back filled with material for the British, you get him :D

[Luken]

There you go then. Don't worry he was off to Denmark for more supplies, when he comes back filled with material for the British, you get him :D

Actually I sunk him, and he can't go for war supplies :/ , so supplies needs to go to him ;) .

[Maki4444]

Actually I sunk him, and he can't go for war supplies :/ , so supplies needs to go to him ;) .

Great job Herr Kaeleun :D

BdU will be most pleased with your edeavours :yeah:

[Raven_2012]

About neutral ships, I just ran into two of them. I have them in my sites and I ask hydro man to follow nearest sound contact, but he says there isn't any.

Is this because ships are neutral? I can hear them when I go to hydro station.

The ships are, Rongel Small Old Split Freighter and N3SA1 Small Merchant. I believe they were added from OHII Full.

Also I am using GHG hydrophone equipment and contact is 1250m away.

[Tolkemec]

From the other thread, it seems you already have your game patched with TDW SH5Patcher... the sonarguy still cannot hear a ship at 1.250? Is it out of the deaf zone (I think 20º bow and 40º stern)? Even if you can hear them, the sonarguy will usually lose their track.

(if not using the patch: http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radioroom/showthread.php?t=181433)

[Raven_2012]

From the other thread, it seems you already have your game patched with TDW SH5Patcher... the sonarguy still cannot hear a ship at 1.250? Is it out of the deaf zone (I think 20º bow and 40º stern)? Even if you can hear them, the sonarguy will usually lose their track.

(if not using the patch: http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radioroom/showthread.php?t=181433)

I won't be able to patch the game, I have the steam version of the game. My hydrophone guy can give me report nearest sound contact and follow nearest sound contact with stock ships. I notice it's with these two ships that i came in contact with, that are added from OHII.

My hydrophone guy can tell me in message box when I ask report nearest sound contact. I get the norm, but when I have him follow nearest sound contact he tells me there is no sound contact.

If this is all from my game needing patch by the UI patcher, then i should consider getting a hard copy of the game.

[Tolkemec]

Wll, I don,t know. I also sometimes have this bug, even with sh5patch. Yesterday I clearly was able to hear a merchant 11 km away, but the sonarguy couldn't even though he was able to give me correct reports. Afterwards, when an airplane make me go underwater, at 7 km from the same merchant, the sonarguy worked correctly. Oh well... I think I can live with that, if not, I would always be chasing for mods and never playing! (Its the first time ina like two weeks of trying it to work).

[Rongel]

I won't be able to patch the game, I have the steam version of the game. My hydrophone guy can give me report nearest sound contact and follow nearest sound contact with stock ships. I notice it's with these two ships that i came in contact with, that are added from OHII.

My hydrophone guy can tell me in message box when I ask report nearest sound contact. I get the norm, but when I have him follow nearest sound contact he tells me there is no sound contact.

If this is all from my game needing patch by the UI patcher, then i should consider getting a hard copy of the game.

Hi!

What version of OH II do you have? In previous version there were problems with some of the ships hydro sounds but they should have been fixed by now. And remember that when the ships go really slow (5 knots or so) they don't appear in hydro.

[Raven_2012]

Hi!

What version of OH II do you have? In previous version there were problems with some of the ships hydro sounds but they should have been fixed by now. And remember that when the ships go really slow (5 knots or so) they don't appear in hydro.

I am using the latest version 1.6 and now 1.7. I hear them when in hydro station just my hydro guy cant track them, he gives me sound contact report.

[Raven_2012]

From the other thread, it seems you already have your game patched with TDW SH5Patcher... the sonarguy still cannot hear a ship at 1.250? Is it out of the deaf zone (I think 20º bow and 40º stern)? Even if you can hear them, the sonarguy will usually lose their track.

(if not using the patch: http://174.123.69.202/~subsimc/radioroom/showthread.php?t=181433)

I can't use the patcher, I have Steam version of the game. When I passed under them and they were behind the U-boat the hydro guy was tracking them. I guess the GHG picks things up sometimes and doesn't, and is limit to certain angles.

[misha1967]

Wll, I don,t know. I also sometimes have this bug, even with sh5patch. Yesterday I clearly was able to hear a merchant 11 km away, but the sonarguy couldn't even though he was able to give me correct reports. Afterwards, when an airplane make me go underwater, at 7 km from the same merchant, the sonarguy worked correctly. Oh well... I think I can live with that, if not, I would always be chasing for mods and never playing! (Its the first time ina like two weeks of trying it to work).

Well, you have to keep in mind also that your hydrophone guy's ability to pick up contacts depends on his skill level, so even though you can hear it, he may not have developed his skills to the point where he can as well.