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Hi All,
Would any Kaleuns like to experience the British side of the war, because I was thinking of a mod for a full British Campaign, including the T Class. Theaters could include Norway, Mediterranean and possibly South East Asia. If there is a lot of "yes, lets have it", I would be able to start work after U-Boot_HAHD is released.
igorlikespike
11-24-11, 05:35 AM
Hi All,
Would any Kaleuns like to experience the British side of the war, because I was thinking of a mod for a full British Campaign, including the T Class. Theaters could include Norway, Mediterranean and possibly South East Asia. If there is a lot of "yes, lets have it", I would be able to start work after U-Boot_HAHD is released.
That would be GREAT!!! I tried several mods from SH4 dealing with allied subs in general, but I never liked the game aspect of SH4 as much as I adore SH3. Wishing you all the best in modding.
U-boat99
11-24-11, 08:18 AM
This is a great idea it wiil be nice:rock:
@ U-boat99! Welcome to SubSim, :sunny:
Jimbuna
11-24-11, 12:22 PM
Hi All,
Would any Kaleuns like to experience the British side of the war, because I was thinking of a mod for a full British Campaign, including the T Class. Theaters could include Norway, Mediterranean and possibly South East Asia. If there is a lot of "yes, lets have it", I would be able to start work after U-Boot_HAHD is released.
Would be nice to have the S and U classes as well.
gmccabe01
11-24-11, 02:34 PM
Yup gets my vote, and many thanks for even thinking to take
the time
Would be nice to have the S and U classes as well.
I promise you, there will be as many subs as possible
Fish In The Water
11-24-11, 08:29 PM
This is a great idea it wiil be nice:rock:
Welcome aboard mate! :sunny:
All right, looks like people want this mod:woot:. I am thinking of having a wide variety of subs, from the Odin class, through to the V class, and of course U-570. That should keep the crowd happy through their British lifestyles, won't it chaps:O:. Also in the campaign will be Scandinavia, English Channel, Mediterranean and Malacca Straits.
Keep up the good work,:arrgh!:
Magic1111
11-25-11, 04:16 AM
This is a great idea it wiil be nice:rock:
:salute::salute::salute:Welcome aboard!!!:salute::salute::salute:
llamaman
11-27-11, 09:13 AM
This would be brilliant I play the British med campaign in SH4 but it just doesn't play like SH3 and is always disappointing.
Sepp von Ch.
11-27-11, 12:32 PM
British campaign for SHIII is good, but I prefer a italian campaign, because it does not exist (good britisih campaign is in SH4) and italian submarines were very active in WW2 - in Mediterranean, Atlantic, Indian Ocean etc.
U-boat99
12-01-11, 05:17 AM
when will be ready?
Secret, U-99 so secret even I don't know :wah::haha:
I know when I will start, after U-Boot_HAHD's first release. Anyway, its secret, we don't want BdU knowing this do we... :rotfl2:
Jimbuna
12-01-11, 06:42 PM
SINK EM ALL!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif
Schöneboom
12-01-11, 10:00 PM
Sounds brill to me -- will you be recording new voice tracks with a variety of authentic accents, too? You can probably find all the talent you need here!
Carry on,
Wayne
Yes, Schöneboom, there will be authentic voices, and just for character, maybe a few Scottish, Irish and Welsh thrown in there as well, just for the extra fun of trying to understand the crew... 'Ach Aiy, me matie. lettin' 'em loose to do them Jerries :haha:. Maybe for more entertainment have some Yorkies:06:
Jimbuna
12-02-11, 08:42 AM
Not forgetting the geordie accent I hope...there was a submarine base at Blyth.
JuergenSchT
12-02-11, 02:27 PM
Seems interesting.
Lord Justice
12-08-11, 10:27 AM
Sir, you have my attention, thank you. :yep:
Sounds interesting! Are there any good books available that deal with British submarines in WW2? I would like to read up on it a bit to start getting ready for the campaign/mod.
The only one I know of is The T-class submarine: the classic British design, smg13
thestoon
12-21-11, 05:50 AM
Sounds interesting! Are there any good books available that deal with British submarines in WW2? I would like to read up on it a bit to start getting ready for the campaign/mod.
Wow, with this I think SH3 would never die! :D
Anyway, i've just finished reading this..
Sea Wolves: The Extraordinary Story of Britain's WW2 Submarines
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Wolves-Extraordinary-Britains-Submarines/dp/1408702290
It doesn't provide much in they way of technical detail, but does give a fascinating insight into the types of missions they undertook, and the experiences of the crews. Well worth a read!
Good luck with this!
Jimbuna
12-21-11, 09:01 AM
Sounds interesting! Are there any good books available that deal with British submarines in WW2? I would like to read up on it a bit to start getting ready for the campaign/mod.
There are a great many if you look on sites such as amazon.
Here's a quick reference link to some online info:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/index.htm
There is already a british campaign mod for SH4. You could contact the authors and get permissions to port lots of stuff to Sh3, would save you a lot of trouble. A voicepack was also underway :up:
roger wilco, hitman. I've started looking at how to make the campaign layer, and after I did that I found this (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=83129&highlight=U570), which is basically what I've tried and succeeded. 3D work will start after U-Boot HAHD is released, and that should keep almost every SH3 Kaleun occupied long enough for me to work (and use HAHD as well :smug: )
Johnny Topside
01-05-12, 08:27 AM
Sounds good! Any chance you could include the Thames class?
Magic1111
01-05-12, 08:48 AM
Sounds good! Any chance you could include the Thames class?
:salute::salute::salute:Welcome aboard!!!:salute::salute::salute:
Jimbuna
01-05-12, 10:12 AM
Sounds good! Any chance you could include the Thames class?
Welcome Johnny :sunny:
Yes Johnny, the Thames class will be included. everything that operated between 1936-1945 will be included
Jimbuna
01-06-12, 05:17 PM
Yes Johnny, the Thames class will be included. everything that operated between 1936-1945 will be included
Looking forward to the end result http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif
BossMark
01-07-12, 04:05 AM
Sounds a great idea, the very best of luck with your modding.
Thank you BossMark, I think I will need it, and maybe (obviously) some help.
u35_captain
03-06-12, 04:16 PM
Wow, this project sounds bloody marvelous!
No possible way you'd be willing to cheat a little and toss the Surcouf in? :P
Frenchy849
03-06-12, 05:05 PM
Heh,the Surcouf?
It was our biggest submarine,even carried a recon plane,but I think it's a bit too French to serve under the British flag.
Also,for this mod,Jawo-euh,Aye-aye!
I always thinked about the T-class' bow as a really big nose,and the tubes on each side of the boat as...uh,well,whatever.
brett25
03-06-12, 05:40 PM
:yeah:
I could add on to this project later on, and make it a whole Allied Atlantic and Baltic Fleet? Maybe expand this into a whole new mod: AABF (Allied Atlantic and Baltic Fleet)
Jimbuna
03-07-12, 07:37 AM
I could add on to this project later on, and make it a whole Allied Atlantic and Baltic Fleet? Maybe expand this into a whole new mod: AABF (Allied Atlantic and Baltic Fleet)
I'd keep posting until that avatar changes if I were you :DL
Missing Name
03-07-12, 12:05 PM
This promises to be a fascinating idea!
I'd keep posting until that avatar changes if I were you :DL
Thank god it did:D
Jimbuna
03-07-12, 06:50 PM
LOL :DL
Hi all, work on this campaign has started again, and I'm just wondering, can anyone get information on the 10 British submarine flotilla/squadrons? I have scoured the web, and found nothing much.
Thanks in advance
Jimbuna
06-02-12, 06:28 AM
http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/
The quickest way is to look up the depot ships:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/depot.html
A British Campaign is a Great Idea, can't wait
http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/ (http://home.cogeco.ca/%7Egchalcraft/sm/)
The quickest way is to look up the depot ships:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/depot.html (http://home.cogeco.ca/%7Egchalcraft/sm/depot.html)
thank you Jimbuna, I was thinking about this, but it seemed most of them didn't serve in WW2, and I assumed:oops:.
Also do you know how to find which submarines served with which Depot Ships?
I want British campaign,thx. :cool:
Jimbuna
06-03-12, 12:50 PM
thank you Jimbuna, I was thinking about this, but it seemed most of them didn't serve in WW2, and I assumed:oops:.
Also do you know how to find which submarines served with which Depot Ships?
I'd look at the depot ship and find out what flotilla/squadron it served then look up the squadron for what vessels were in it.
EG...HMS Forth...served 2nd submarine flotilla 39-41...and the vessels were:
2nd Submarine Flotilla (Capt W D Stephens on FORTH) - depot ship (http://www.naval-history.net/xDKWW2-3908-01RNships.htm#) FORTH (comp 14 May 39), destroyer MACKAY (19 May 19), submarines CACHALOT (7 May 38), NARWHAL (11 Mar 36), PORPOISE (15 Jan 33), SEAHORSE (26 Jul 33), STARFISH (27 Oct 33)
http://www.naval-history.net/xDKWW2-3908-01RNships.htm
Thank you jimbuna you are a hero. :salute:
sidslotm
06-05-12, 01:58 AM
This is a great idea, a Brit campaign for SH3, can't wait to put to sea again. :yeah:
It's gonna be build on top of any megamod avaible today?
@utops, no, it will not. By the time I finish, it might end up as it's own mega mod, or at least on par with RUb1.45.
I have made a list of things I would like to include in this mod;
British Submarines (Duh:88))
British Campaign (Another Duh)
Reworked GUI
British Minefields
New crash dive ballast tank water streams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z25klruxpoA#t=42s)
Anyone have anything to add to the list?
mikey117us
06-05-12, 12:46 PM
U-Boat traps i.e. decoy buoys derelict ships and british submarines listening and surface vessels waiting to pounce the u-boat. These would be in the eastern minefields protecting the coast u-boats fall for the buoy cavitating and emitting screw noises like a merchant, false radio traffic would ensue also trapping the u-boat into overhauling the target for a shot and BAM! torpedo from a submerged british sub! This was a very dynamic aspect of the u-boat war left out of the game as well as SOFAR Bombs and Sonar Buoys dropped by aircraft which could result in absolute death. ( the faroes was a major british sub base? )
Jimbuna
06-05-12, 03:16 PM
@utops, no, it will not. By the time I finish, it might end up as it's own mega mod, or at least on par with RUb1.45.
I have made a list of things I would like to include in this mod;
British Submarines (Duh:88))
British Campaign (Another Duh)
Reworked GUI
British Minefields
New crash dive ballast tank water streams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z25klruxpoA#t=42s)
Anyone have anything to add to the list?
A 'dynamic' campaign.
U-Boat traps i.e. decoy buoys derelict ships and british submarines listening and surface vessels waiting to pounce the u-boat. These would be in the eastern minefields protecting the coast u-boats fall for the buoy cavitating and emitting screw noises like a merchant, false radio traffic would ensue also trapping the u-boat into overhauling the target for a shot and BAM! torpedo from a submerged british sub! This was a very dynamic aspect of the u-boat war left out of the game as well as SOFAR Bombs and Sonar Buoys dropped by aircraft which could result in absolute death. ( the faroes was a major british sub base? )
That sounds like an awful amount of work, but none the less, I will at least add the derelict ships, and U-boats. I am not sure how to add new bombs for aircraft, that is the only reason I will probably not be able to do it.
A 'dynamic' campaign.
I will try, jim, I will try so hard to make it dynamic.
Jimbuna
06-05-12, 05:32 PM
I will try, jim, I will try so hard to make it dynamic.
Nice one :cool:
Does anyone know how to edit the scene.dat file? I have tried with S3D, but it doesn't seem to change anything ingame.
@U570.
I would love to see a british campaign for SH3, ive tried the med campaign for SH4 but tbh, i wasnt all that impressed, i think its because i'm a lover of GWX and SH3. So i'd be eternally grateful to see a full RN campaign, as im a brit and i feel real guilty for sinking my own, lol.
Also, can anyone tell me what tools i'm going to need to get modding myself, as i have a fair few idea's i'd like to implement myself, and maybe, if i get 'upto scratch' you may be able to use my idea's and work for this well antisipated project :)
@U570.
I would love to see a british campaign for SH3, ive tried the med campaign for SH4 but tbh, i wasnt all that impressed, i think its because i'm a lover of GWX and SH3. So i'd be eternally grateful to see a full RN campaign, as im a brit and i feel real guilty for sinking my own, lol.
Also, can anyone tell me what tools i'm going to need to get modding myself, as i have a fair few idea's i'd like to implement myself, and maybe, if i get 'upto scratch' you may be able to use my idea's and work for this well antisipated project :)
Thank you, and that is the same reason why I am trying to complete this.
The tools you would need are:
Silent 3Ditor (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=119571)
A 3D modeling program (I use 3ds Max, but you can use Gmax (http://www.turbosquid.com/gmax))
Photoshop or Gimp (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=1356)
7-zip
JSGME
Thank you for the info. I already have S3D and am getting used to it, although i want to learn ship design and campaign structuring as i have a few idea's on using historical battles i.e the Hoods sinking by The bismark and the naval bombardment of the normandy beaches to spice up a campaign, though im unsure if thats a possibility or not, as i dont know the games paramenters or limits. Also, i'd like to see if i could replace the renown system, like for instance, instead of improvements to ships you could earn a commission to a larger ship, so you'd start the war in a destroyer, and through good performance work through the ranks from light cruisers to BB's. The improvements to surface vessels and sub's would be 'free' as the navy has always fitted its ships to a high standard to keep our isle's safe. All this with your blessing of cause, and after ive learnt how. To that point, i dont suppose there are any kind of tutorials on using these modding tools and how you go about modding are there? if somebody could give me a quick 'walkthrough' of how, im sure to pick it up quickly.im a quick study and a brilliant artist, ship design should come easy to me and i'd like to be able to contribute to this community as i use other peoples mods and feel i should offer something back.
Thanks in advance to anybody willing to help and thank you U-570 for your reply. :D
A pic of the 'New Career' screen
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=658&pictureid=5766
This is not the final product, however it will be very similar.
This map is not correct for WW2 period!
Here you can see some new, independent countries from 1992. and later....
sonicninja
09-17-12, 09:52 AM
is this project still alive, sounds like a fantastic idea and i would gladly offer my services if you need any historical data as i have a library of WWII maritime warfare books in my garage.
Yes it is still alive, however it has slowed to a crawl, thanks to real life. I would love to see your documents. :salute:
Also if your are interested in helping out on it, it would be much appreciated.
Can somebody tell me what is diving time for British ww2 subs?
I found that class S diving time was, 70 seconds from full surfaced to periscope depth...
Does somebody know for other classes?
Lindley
09-20-12, 02:09 PM
Hello,
From the book :Osprey New Vanguard 129 British Submarines 1939-45. -Innes McCartney.
S-Class from Fully buoyant to submerged 95 seconds.
This could be trimmed to 50 seconds if the boat was at low buoyancy.
I could not find any information on the T or U Class.
Good luck with this.
I was hoping someone would develop an Italian Submarine career for the Mediterranean.
Hello,
From the book :Osprey New Vanguard 129 British Submarines 1939-45. -Innes McCartney.
S-Class from Fully buoyant to submerged 95 seconds.
This could be trimmed to 50 seconds if the boat was at low buoyancy.
I could not find any information on the T or U Class.
Good luck with this.
I was hoping someone would develop an Italian Submarine career for the Mediterranean.
Yes, from same source I also found just for S Class. I just made mistake it's correct 95 seconds, not 70...
Anywhere on the internet I can not find this information! This is very important thinks...
Probably British subs take a long time to submerge so they hide this data! :D :D :D
Lindley
09-20-12, 02:52 PM
Yes, from same source I also found just for S Class. I just made mistake it's correct 95 seconds, not 70...
Anywhere on the internet I can not find this information! This is very important thinks...
Probably British subs take a long time to submerge so they hide this data! :D :D :D
Ha Ha true ! Only one sunk by an Italian submarine the T- Class HMS Triad by the
Balilla-Class Enrico Toti .
Looks interesting...good luck. :up:
@sonicninja (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=213014) do you have some data about British ww2 subs diving time from your garage's library? :D
JapLance
09-21-12, 01:16 PM
From "Unbroken, the true history of a submarine" by Alastair Mars:
There were only three of us in the bridge-myself and the two lookouts- and with good reason. In a crash-dive you start to go down immediately the klaxon sounds, and you permit yourself only fifteen seconds in which to submerge. These fifteen seconds allow just enough time for three men on the bridge to get below and close the hatches above them before the boat goes under [...]
(There were times when the Unbroken completed the operation in twelve seconds!)
Applicable to a U-Class boat.
From "Unbroken, the true history of a submarine" by Alastair Mars:
Applicable to a U-Class boat.
Thanks. Interesting...
Faster than type VII... :hmm2:
Seeing as we are now starting a bank of information, would anyone be able to put up blueprints of the L, Odin, Parthian, Rainbow, S, River, Grampus, U, and V class submarines? Preferably some of the earlier ones first.
Thanks.
Sailor Steve
09-21-12, 06:50 PM
Yes, from same source I also found just for S Class. I just made mistake it's correct 95 seconds, not 70...
Keep in mind that if it does say that's the time to get to periscope depth then that's a normal dive, not a crash dive. Crash dive time is probably about half that, or 50 seconds or so.
Sailor Steve
09-21-12, 06:53 PM
From "Unbroken, the true history of a submarine" by Alastair Mars:
Applicable to a U-Class boat.
Sounds like bragging to me. Every procedural I've ever read requires that flooding doesn't start until the board (the "Christmas Tree" to us Yanks) is all green; that is, the vents aren't opened until all hatches and engine intake vents are closed. Do it the way he says and you risk diving a lot faster and farther than anticipated...:dead:
Class T
http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19600.0;attach=446 013;image
http://www.paluba.info/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=19600.0;attach=446 015;image
Wow :o
How to decrease this photos?
Do not worry about T class blueprints, I already have some, including cross sections of the hull. But interior arrangements (if anyone can find them) would be beyond brilliant :D
Ok...
Also, I steel need data about diving time, so if anybody know I would be happy to tell me! :D
JapLance
09-22-12, 02:48 AM
Sounds like bragging to me. Every procedural I've ever read requires that flooding doesn't start until the board (the "Christmas Tree" to us Yanks) is all green; that is, the vents aren't opened until all hatches and engine intake vents are closed. Do it the way he says and you risk diving a lot faster and farther than anticipated...:dead:
British tactical doctrine was different from the US subs. They spent most of the time underwater, and only surfaced a few hours at night to recharge batteries. At this moment they were extremely vulnerable due to lack of radars up to 1943 (basically the whole duration of the Mediterranean Campaign).
I cannot provide the data right now, but if I remember it right, I read somewhere that they didn't wait to have all hatches closed to start flooding tanks. As soon as the alarm was sounded, the officer on duty started the immersion procedure. That's why they had to be very fast in the bridge.
British tactical doctrine was different from the US subs. They spent most of the time underwater, and only surfaced a few hours at night to recharge batteries. At this moment they were extremely vulnerable due to lack of radars up to 1943 (basically the whole duration of the Mediterranean Campaign).
I cannot provide the data right now, but if I remember it right, I read somewhere that they didn't wait to have all hatches closed to start flooding tanks. As soon as the alarm was sounded, the officer on duty started the immersion procedure. That's why they had to be very fast in the bridge.
In that case, with same procedure, I guess that German type VII need 10 seconds! :arrgh!:
Sailor Steve
09-22-12, 09:27 AM
I read somewhere that they didn't wait to have all hatches closed to start flooding tanks.
So, how many were lost because they dove with the engine intake vents still open?
JapLance
09-23-12, 04:47 AM
Well, I'm not very well versed in the technical aspects. I can't remember where did I get that explanation.
I've found another reference to the diving time of the U-Class. In "War beneath the sea - Submarine conflict 1939-1945", Peter Padfield writes:
[...]and they were by far the slowest boats, apart from midgets, used by any navy in the war. They could get under the surface in under 20 seconds, however, faster than any other submarine, and in the war they proved well suited to the confined waters of the Mediterranean.
Sailor Steve
09-23-12, 11:06 AM
Well, if Padfield says it, I'm done arguing. He is simply the foremost naval historian anywhere. :sunny:
Karl Heinrich
02-20-13, 10:27 PM
How's the progress going on this? Would love to see this.
Currently working on a British voice pack for SH4, but if this goes ahead will have to make and SH3 version (still my preferred iteration),
Details for recruitment for the mod here (we need as many aspiring voice actors as possible ;) - http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=202396
Incidentally I'm a graphic artist type chap lol, so if you want assistance doing textures, front/menu screens and whatnot I'd be more than happy to help
Well so far progress has grinded to an almost halt, thanks to RL. However I have managed to make the player British and not be shot at or shoot at other British ships, which was my problem earlier on.
A graphical designer would be brilliant, as I am honestly horrible with photoshop :oops:. If you PM me your email, then I can send the pictures I've been using for the 'Flotilla' screen where you choose which flotilla you wish to be in.
Cheerio lads :arrgh!:
Karl Heinrich
02-21-13, 07:43 AM
Great stuff, check your inbox :)
Karl Heinrich
02-23-13, 10:27 AM
Work continues on the British voices mod. It will be realistic and representative, for starters I'm from Nottinghamshire, with Irish family and living in Yokshire... It will be humourous but not cartoonish - all regions of the UK will be represented without being parodies. There will be Bristolians but no "ooh arr my luvver" - you get the drift :P)
However, until then, the first of my sound packs is ready. Whilst it is for SH4 at the moment, it wouldn't take any time to put into SH3.
Here is the British Dive Klaxon Pack
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=202459
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