View Full Version : SH3 U.S. Pacific Sub or Surface Campaign ???
Finally I got a machine up and running sh3, ending a year of exile from 3 and 4 . I have seen some beautiful mods of Japanese surface ships and was wondering if anyone was working on a U.S. Pacific campaign like Pacific Aces for SH2....???? I got warship mod for SH3 up and running, I like, nice work guys.
Sailor Steve
06-06-11, 10:55 AM
No. That's what SH4 is for. Not much need to spend countless hours doing making something for SH3 when SH4 already looks and works better. :sunny:
yeah I, know but I haven't got a machine running too handle 4.
No. That's what SH4 is for. Not much need to spend countless hours doing making something for SH3 when SH4 already looks and works better. :sunny: "when SH4 already looks and works better".........Is it not admitted, for a matter of taste, and liking :hmmm:
Sailor Steve
06-06-11, 11:44 AM
yeah I, know but I haven't got a machine running too handle 4.
What are your specs? I'm running a six-year-old hunk of junk and get better results with SH4 than with 3.
I'm on an old gate way with pent 4 2gig , 512 ram with GeForce FX 5200 it runs sh3 very well after getting the drivers staighten out. Burn my Compac up 2 years ago, got 2 gigs of DRR2 on hand too through into a newer dell that I acquired awhile ago but can't get around Vista admin password, and to top it off I got a dell optiplex 740 that would run sh4, but is missing direct draw on the generic video card. I know download the stuff, not that easy my online acsess is on a community wireless set up so I can't hard wire into the net. What is a waste, is have-ing those great Japanese surface mods and, not be able to sink them.:O: And thanks for the timely responce
Sailor Steve
06-06-11, 01:53 PM
I'm also using an old Gateway P4. It originally only had 512mb RAM. I bumped it up to 2gb, then 4gb, and that's when I found out the 32-bit system could only use 2gb. :damn:
The best thing I did for this machine was to buy it an ATI 4650, 1gb graphics card. Where before I got maybe 10 fps with everything shut off, I now run it with all the graphics options maxed out, and it loves it. Funny thing is, it still has troubles with SH3 fully maxed. I would have gone with an even better card but my graphics slot is AGP, and the 4650 is the best I could by for that old slot.
I'm also using an old Gateway P4. It originally only had 512mb RAM. I bumped it up to 2gb, then 4gb, and that's when I found out the 32-bit system could only use 2gb. :damn:
The best thing I did for this machine was to buy it an ATI 4650, 1gb graphics card. Where before I got maybe 10 fps with everything shut off, I now run it with all the graphics options maxed out, and it loves it. Funny thing is, it still has troubles with SH3 fully maxed. I would have gone with an even better card but my graphics slot is AGP, and the 4650 is the best I could by for that old slot. But with that card, it is enough "pretty" far :yep:
I got 4 or 5 e series gateways in different states of running capabilities and a couple of dells.
danzig70
06-06-11, 03:40 PM
There are mods that add locationsfrom SH4 into SH3 in the download section. I cant remember the name offhand. Perhaps do an alternative history campaign.
Bakkels
06-06-11, 05:09 PM
I'm also using an old Gateway P4. It originally only had 512mb RAM. I bumped it up to 2gb, then 4gb, and that's when I found out the 32-bit system could only use 2gb. :damn:
:o Seriously??? I've been trying to add more RAM for some time now. Originally had 1Gig, and maybe a year ago bought another 2Gig in two parts, but never got it to work when putting in both extra mem blocks. I've been wondering what the hell was wrong with me or my pc, but now I finally know.... Thanks for that Steve, it was driving me crazy.
However, my system runs on an AMD 64 processor, so if I were to install a 64-bit Windows version I would be able to add more memory? Seems weird to me, because my pc is also about 6 years old. And it seems weird to me they were already making systems that were 64-bit ready back then. So if you could tell me anything about that I"d be very grateful. Sorry for dragging this thread slightly off-topic, but I really wanna find out about this..
However, my system runs on an AMD 64 processor, so if I were to install a 64-bit Windows version I would be able to add more memory? Seems weird to me, because my pc is also about 6 years old. And it seems weird to me they were already making systems that were 64-bit ready back then. So if you could tell me anything about that I"d be very grateful. Sorry for dragging this thread slightly off-topic, but I really wanna find out about this..[/QUOTE] Don't worry about it I might learn something too, I got a AMD 64 Dell but the on board video card is missing direct draw. any suggestions.
Sailor Steve
06-06-11, 10:16 PM
I'm not sure exactly how the 4gig patch works, but apparently it's needed to make the computer use 4 gigs at the same time. I actually had it at one point, but was told that it doesn't work with 32 bit systems. I'm still waiting to get a new computer (too much other stuff to buy at the moment) so I can't help other than to mention what I've read here. I'm sure someone will see this who actually knows how to install it and make it work.
frau kaleun
06-07-11, 08:24 AM
Yubba, first off your hardware has to be compatible with the 64-bit OS, as I understand it most recent CPUs can handle either 32- or 64-bit but not sure about older ones.
Windows 64-bit will recognize and use more than 4 gigs of RAM, the 32-bit OS will not; so adding more and more RAM to a 32-bit system doesn't get you anywhere after you pass the point where Windows simply can't "see" any more of it. With the 64-bit OS you can add far more RAM (provided your motherboard supports it, another possible limitation to be aware of) and Windows will see it and use it.
The 4GB patch for the game's SH3.exe file will allow the game to use up to 4 gigs of RAM when it is running, provided you have that much on board and available. Without the patch the game will only use a maximum of 2 gigs of memory, no matter how much you have available and how much Windows recognizes.
Best case scenario is: Windows 64-bit (allows for more usable memory overall), the 4GB patch for the game (allows the game to use more of your usable memory) and enough RAM onboard to give the game a full 4 gigs of it to use when running.
However if you have 4 gigs or less on board, with either 64-bit or 32-bit Windows, you may still benefit from patching the game file since if there IS more than 2 gigs available to the game at any given time the game will be able to make use of it.
Here are some answers to FAQ re 32-bit vs. 64-bit:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-vista/32-bit-and-64-bit-Windows-frequently-asked-questions
There is a way to see if your current system can run the 64-bit OS, I think it's covered in one of those FAQ answers. There's a little app that looks at your current hardware and tells you whether or not it's compatible.
Also be aware that you can't just "upgrade" from a 32-bit version of Windows to a 64-bit version, in order to make the switch you have to uninstall Windows or reformat the drive, whatever, and then do a full new "from scratch" install of the new 64-bit OS. You can't just use an "upgrade to Windows 7" package, for instance, and upgrade WinXP 32-bit to Win7 64-bit.
Edit: Also it's important not to confuse limitations on the game's use of memory with limitations on how much memory Windows can see and use.
Unpatched, the game will never use more than 2 gigs of memory no matter what OS you have, how much RAM it will recognize and use, or how much of it is actually plugged into your mobo.
If you apply the 4GB patch to the game's .exe file, it will use up to 4 gigs of memory, provided that much is available. If less is available, it will use less - but the maximum amount it can and will make use of has been doubled. If you have 64-bit Windows and enough RAM on board to leave 4 gigs available to the game when it's running, then the game will use the entire 4 gigs.
With 32-bit Windows, OTOH, your entire system is limited to 4 gigs of RAM, because that's the maximum your operating system will recognize and make use of.
In that situation, use of the 4GB patch for the game may be of some value if you have 4 gigs of RAM on board. The game will not be limited to 2 gigs (because it is patched), but it will be limited to however much of that 4 gig system total is left over after all other needs for memory are met.
Bakkels
06-07-11, 08:56 AM
Thanks Steve & Frau. Yubba was quoting me (made a typo I guess) but he probably wanted to know the same thing.
Well it seems I can run WIndows 64... But I need to get my hands on it first. And I'll have to re-install everything I have + different drivers. Well I knew that already of course, but it's a hell of a lot of work. Still, then I caN install my extra Gig of RAM and it would probably allow me to play the merchant fleet mod, FM interior... Guess I'll give it a go when I have a free weekend.
With 32-bit Windows, OTOH, your entire system is limited to 4 gigs of RAM, because that's the maximum your operating system will recognize and make use of.
Que? I thought Steve said Windows 32bit was limited to 2 Gigs?
Thanks Steve & Frau. Yubba was quoting me (made a typo I guess) but he probably wanted to know the same thing.
Well it seems I can run WIndows 64... But I need to get my hands on it first. And I'll have to re-install everything I have + different drivers. Well I knew that already of course, but it's a hell of a lot of work. Still, then I caN install my extra Gig of RAM and it would probably allow me to play the merchant fleet mod, FM interior... Guess I'll give it a go when I have a free weekend.
Que? I thought Steve said Windows 32bit was limited to 2 Gigs? No, 3072 MB,with 32-bit
Bakkels
06-07-11, 09:03 AM
Oh I thought that would explain my problems with adding the 3rd gig to my RAM but I guess its just a bad memory block then...
Well thanks anyway.
My bad, fat fingers small keyboard, but info helpful.
Oh I thought that would explain my problems with adding the 3rd gig to my RAM but I guess its just a bad memory block then...
Well thanks anyway. I say only the limit of 32-bit capable of,not what Steve have in his PC :yep:
frau kaleun
06-07-11, 09:17 AM
Que? I thought Steve said Windows 32bit was limited to 2 Gigs?
He may have been talking about the game itself, I don't know.
Which is why I said it's important not to confuse memory limitations imposed by the OS and/or amount of RAM on board, with the limitations imposed by an unpatched SH3.exe file.
The game is limited to using 2 gigs, regardless of the OS and amount of RAM available, unless you apply the 4GB patch to it.
Windows 32-bit is limited to using 4 gigs overall, so patching the game to use 4 gigs even with 4 gigs on board is of limited value as there will never be a full 4 gigs available for it. It may still be of some value if you have enough RAM to give the game more than 2 gigs to play with.
But it is possible if you have the skills to get more of an 3072 mb,if you go into your OS, and makes some changes,however,I use W7 64-bit likely that most of us now more have and then you will experience no problems ... rather how many GIG you want in your memory, if your motherboard supports that type of upgrade.
Sailor Steve
06-07-11, 06:21 PM
Que? I thought Steve said Windows 32bit was limited to 2 Gigs?
I did say that in my first post, or that I "found out" that was the case. I tried to clarify that that was what I thought someone else had said. You have to understand that I can only go by what I've read here, because I don't know anything. I'm trying to learn though. Currently rebuilding a guitar. :D
Bakkels
06-07-11, 06:33 PM
I did say that in my first post, or that I "found out" that was the case. I tried to clarify that that was what I thought someone else had said. You have to understand that I can only go by what I've read here, because I don't know anything. I'm trying to learn though. Currently rebuilding a guitar. :D
Ah ok, I'll do some more research of my own then ;)
Oh and @Frau, I know sh3 won't be able to use more than 2Gigs without the patch. But first I've got to get my PC to accept that third Gig in the frst place..
btw Steve, electric or accoustic? I've been thinking on buying some Warmoth parts and putting together my own dream-strat. :rock:
Bakkels! How many frame slots available on motherboards, and how many gigs can you get in,:hmmm:
Bakkels
06-07-11, 06:47 PM
There are four slots:
Slot 1: original 512 MB
Slot 2: original 512 MB
Slot 3: 1 Gig -> one from the two pieces I bought some time ago
Slot 4: nothing
So I've got a 1 Gig piece that it won't take. It's the same brand and type as the other one. I'm starting to think this one is just broken, because it's not the slot. I switched the one in slot 3 to slot 4 and it still works.
Only when I put in the other 1 Gig my pc won't boot...
It may be a conflict if you have problems, try re-packaging of RAM,How much support motherboard?
Bakkels
06-07-11, 06:59 PM
What do you mean exactly by 're-packaging'?
And you mean if my motherboard doesn't support any more RAM? Well I know that it should, at least that's what it says in the manual that came with it...
Re-packaging, meant that you could trade places with them memories that are.Ok then you have the opportunity to see how much you can get in, but most likely is 4 GIG or 8 at best, however you can take home a small program , which is simple and does not interfere in any way and you will see the relevant information,can be useful,link
http://download.cnet.com/CPU-Z/3000-2086_4-10050423.html
frau kaleun
06-07-11, 07:16 PM
If the mobo is set up for dual-channel memory, it may require that you use RAM sticks in sets of two. Or it may accept just one stick in one of a pair of slots, but only if it's in a particular slot (not sure about this but I think sometimes that's the case). Consult your mobo documentation, it should have that information. If you don't have the documentation, see if you can find out what make/model your mobo is and go to the manufacturer's site and into the support section and see if you can find it listed there. (If it's an older model, it may be archived under discontinued products or something to that effect). If they still have info on it, they may very well have the online manual and you can pull it up or download it.
Or you can try putting that one stick in a different slot and see if you can get Windows to recognize it.
Fish In The Water
06-08-11, 12:36 PM
If the mobo is set up for dual-channel memory, it may require that you use RAM sticks in sets of two.
Another possibility is your motherboard may only recognize sticks in multiples of two of the same size. While not as prevalent as before, this used to be a fairly common configuration. As FK recommended, I'd check my documentation and/or do a web search. :sunny:
?????????????????????????????? or any other U.S sub or surface vessels playable of course.
No, I don't think you'll have much luck with this unfortunately. No mods like that were ever made and the only additional US units you'll find are non-playable. As others have said, there's not really a point for putting in the rather long and complex development time when there's already another game that can do it all at close to the same specs. You're in a very small minority of people who are unlucky with this, unfortunately, but it'd be much more efficient for you to upgrade your PC at this point.
yeah figured that, I know years back they toyed with it, I guess nothing came of it. Sh4 is a great sim, just got to get a box to run it.
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