Community-based AddOn in coop with UBI - Enlist here!

[urfisch]

// EVERTHING IS POSSIBLE

No more hardcoded stuff, just possibilities! In cooperation with UBI Romania there would be no more limits to our needs. Access to all files, creating all the content we want.

// THE COMMUNITY BASED ADDON FOR SH5

So i got in contact with the Product Manager of UBI Romania. Now i want to know, which of all the skilled people here want to take part in this? It it is going to be serious work, consider this.

// HOW TO ENLIST?

Please PM me, i will publish a list with all interested captains.

// THINGS TO DO FIRST

Before a new uboat-crew can been formed, there are 2 things to do:

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1. Write a short profile about you, your experience in doing modding and your skills.

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2. Write your ideas of what the addon should consist of. Which points are still open? Please write them in short and explain the idea a bit.

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For example:

- We need wolfpacks, which you can interact with, shadowing convois for a combined attack, etc.

- We need a dynamic radio message system, which considers our boat

- We need many new animations for a fully involved, real behaving crew

- We need new ships

- We need more playable uboat types.

- We need historically correct harbours, with new buildings, ships, etc.

- We need the old crew management, access to all your crew members, to form special task forces for repairs, the possibility to decorate and promote all sailors, etc.

- We need an Enigma applet ingame to decypher messages manually

- We need an ingame library applet, to read books in the game, while sitting in the captains corner

- We need small ingame games, to play chess or cards with the crew, etc.

- We need the possibility of leaving the pier in bunker and go to our office, or barracks.

- We need the possibility to leave the bunker and visit the harbour club nearby, to talk to the community (online), or just play some roulette or read the latest newspapers.

etc...

// THE AIM

We create a community based AddOn for SH5, which contains all the stuff we still miss. The AddOn is going to be published via Ubisoft Romania and costs money. All involved people have to sign a "Non Disclosure Agreement" and a special contract. So everything is done right, you can get a share of the income and are credited by ubisoft.

// ENLIST NOW AND BECOME PART OF THE CREW!!!

:salute:

Please note: Everything is still pre-beta status. First i need an overview, which people want to take part - seriously. Afterwards i need profiles of these people, and we gonna vote a teamleader. And from this point on, we are sitting together and sort out the collected ideas from all of you! Then a "Game Design Document" is written. With this document, we get together with UBI and talk about the further steps.

:up:

[urfisch]

Enlisted sailors:

DrJones (Python, C+)

reaper7 (UI, 3D, texturing)

SteelViking (skills pending)

JU_88 (skills pending)

AOTD_MadMax (skills pending)

[Zedi]

Can a dev confirm this?

It would be enough if time by time the devs can give us some advices and more help when we asking! Working out the new campaign was already a pain and huge waste of time by learning all alone how to work with ME and stuff :/

[renthewog]

Wow..if this really ends up happening this would have to be the best thing that's happened to silent hunter 5..:D
Only wish I had good modding skills to put my hand up for it and join :wah:

[Xrundel]

For example:

- We need wolfpacks, which you can interact with, shadowing convois for a combined attack, etc.

- We need a dynamic radio message system, which considers our boat

- We need many new animations for a fully involved, real behaving crew

- We need new ships

- We need more playable uboat types.

- We need historically correct harbours, with new buildings, ships, etc.

- We need the old crew management, access to all your crew members, to form special task forces for repairs, the possibility to decorate and promote all sailors, etc.

- We need an Enigma applet ingame to decypher messages manually

- We need an ingame library applet, to read books in the game, while sitting in the captains corner

- We need small ingame games, to play chess or cards with the crew, etc.

- We need the possibility of leaving the pier in bunker and go to our office, or barracks.

- We need the possibility to leave the bunker and visit the harbour club nearby, to talk to the community (online), or just play some roulette or read the latest newspapers.

etc...

Do you know what I need???

I need to have game that I don't need to restart my computer in average 3-4 times during playing session. And countless time when I have to restart or reload game working on MODs.
All because stupid auto-saves that freeze the game and only Ctr-Alt_Del is the way out and lot of other bull.... that is a result of poor programming skills.
I would give up all "promised land" that you describing just for one thing - update for Ubisoft Game Launcher that would make it not loose connection every time or simply quit while SH5.exe still running.

Why don't you ask your big shot from Romania to concentrate on that and come up with real solution fo0r this never ending pain that everyone is enduring?

As for wolf packs and other stuff - I am more than sure we can manage it on our own. Just ask him to make this game actually playable. It's like 1996 - I never even shut my PC down in 18 months that I own it until I got this game.
Ridiculous!

[CCIP]

Do you know what I need???

I need to have game that I don't need to restart my computer in average 3-4 times during playing session. And countless time when I have to restart or reload game working on MODs.
All because stupid auto-saves that freeze the game and only Ctr-Alt_Del is the way out and lot of other bull.... that is a result of poor programming skills.
I would give up all "promised land" that you describing just for one thing - update for Ubisoft Game Launcher that would make it not loose connection every time or simply quit while SH5.exe still running.

Why don't you ask your big shot from Romania to concentrate on that and come up with real solution fo0r this never ending pain that everyone is enduring?

As for wolf packs and other stuff - I am more than sure we can manage it on our own. Just ask him to make this game actually playable. It's like 1996 - I never even shut my PC down in 18 months that I own it until I got this game.
Ridiculous!

In fairness, I don't think that has much to do with the topic at hand, or possibly even the game, since I don't think anyone else has reported this problem before. "Big problem everyone is enduring" is quite a hyperbole here! Sorry that you're having it, though. Neither modders nor Ubi Romania have anything to do with this, since neither of those has anything to do with the code of the Ubi launcher.

Anyway, I too would like to hear a word from Ubi Romania to make sure it's legit :hmmm:

[BigBANGtheory]

Interesting, very interesting.

I think the earlier posts are correct in that some legitimacy needs to be demonstrated. Shouldn't be too hard given some the forum members and their relationship with Ubisoft Romania.

...and btw well done to Urfisch for taking the initiative. :salute:

[TheBeast]

In fairness, I don't think that has much to do with the topic at hand, or possibly even the game, since I don't think anyone else has reported this problem before. "Big problem everyone is enduring" is quite a hyperbole here! Sorry that you're having it, though. Neither modders nor Ubi Romania have anything to do with this, since neither of those has anything to do with the code of the Ubi launcher.

Anyway, I too would like to hear a word from Ubi Romania to make sure it's legit :hmmm:

One would think that program stability would be very big concern. I think this is what Xrundel is driving at.

I know everyone is enduring CTD at some point. The cause(s) of these CTD must be resolved.
Example: Sinking friendly German Ship causes CTD. This should not happen.

[Xrundel]

In fairness, I don't think that has much to do with the topic at hand, or possibly even the game, since I don't think anyone else has reported this problem before. "Big problem everyone is enduring" is quite a hyperbole here! Sorry that you're having it, though. Neither modders nor Ubi Romania have anything to do with this, since neither of those has anything to do with the code of the Ubi launcher.

Anyway, I too would like to hear a word from Ubi Romania to make sure it's legit :hmmm:

Well.. I agree that devs from Romania probably have nothing to do with it... And I never mention modders. Working with game files I can tell that game was released for sale rather in the hurry. I can see lots of options and files that just was not finished.
Anyway.. I needed to yell a little :DL to let frustration out. You know what I am saying?
What's the point to install $6k stereo system in Dodge Neon that needs engine and transmission rebuild?

[Stormfly]

In fairness, I don't think that has much to do with the topic at hand, or possibly even the game, since I don't think anyone else has reported this problem before. "Big problem everyone is enduring" is quite a hyperbole here! Sorry that you're having it, though. Neither modders nor Ubi Romania have anything to do with this, since neither of those has anything to do with the code of the Ubi launcher.

Anyway, I too would like to hear a word from Ubi Romania to make sure it's legit :hmmm:

sorry CCIP... me and many friends have the same problems because of stupid immersion killing and ctd causing save games caused by DRM for housewifes and frinds or its cheap dump "services" which should support it... me and many other ppl postet allready about this issue but no help no support no nothing from them...

so i find the post above very welcome and also legit !

[SteelViking]

I don't care about getting money which is mentioned here, but as long as my name is at least mentioned in the credits sign me up.:up:

[stoianm]

The boss from uby Romania was putted on the ''witness protection program'' by the romania secret police after he released the DRM... how did you find him:o:DL

[Stormfly]

:o is he still allive ?

...but ithink he is not responsible, ithink he got forced to use us as some kind of experiment bunny`s

[Trevally.]

:har:

[reaper7]

This sounds Great - :arrgh!: This could be the SH we all dream about :sunny:
Would be glad to help where I can :up:

[Jaeger]

two thoughts: first, i also would like to see any verification by this ubi guy. perhaps urfish can show an email?

second, if this message is true, i would like to see in this group privateer and tdw :D this would be great...

[TheBeast]

two thoughts: first, i also would like to see any verification by this ubi guy. perhaps urfish can show an email?

second, if this message is true, i would like to see in this group privateer and tdw :D this would be great...
Because of real life commitments I do not think we will see much if anything coming from Privateer for some period of time other then to pop in and say hello once in a while.

I would also like to see that teamwork as well but it appears it may be like combining Liquid Ozygen and Liquid Hydrogen.:timeout: I don't think they get alone with one and other.:damn:

[Adriatico]

Does your first post means:

- Team will develop new (further) features that community is missing presently ?
or
- Team would also include accumulated mods range - that moders developed so far ?

It would be pitty if new "add on" would be in conflict with some of best 20-30 mods that we have now...

Most of SH fans would be happy to pay for "add on" that also contains compilation of present best mods... :up:

[marleymen]

Don´t want to be rowing against but, why now?

:down:

[Trevally.]

Does your first post means:

- Team will develop new (further) features that community is missing presently ?
or
- Team would also include accumulated mods range - that moders developed so far ?

It would be pitty if new "add on" would be in conflict with some of best 20-30 mods that we have now...

Most of SH fans would be happy to pay for "add on" that also contains compilation of present best mods... :up:

This is an important point:hmmm:

[Adriatico]

Don´t want to be rowing against but, why now?

:down:
Better late - than never!

Some of features will never be changed without support of Ubi Romania... it is important to preserve SH as respected brand.

I see it as chance.... not only to include new features - but also to change present ones that should be reworked ( example - we do have torp. splash but it needs serious cosmetics - impossible without Ubi )

Ubi guys are professionals, so it will be paid "add on" or you can forget their support... they do it for living, like we do our jobs.

[Stevepine]

for me the biggest thing that dissapointed me ( even pre launch ) about sh5 was the lack of other U boat types.

I really couldnt believe that.
Any add on HAS to address this.


2) We really need a FAR FAR FAR better way of managing the crew, letting them be killed and take casualties. (Would love to see a large recruitment pool of officers -- so you could open and read all their profiles and choose one or 2 of them to join your crew) even officers with higher skills and experience being unlocked from the recruitment pool ...when you complete enough campaign goals.

This sounds like it could be a really exciting chance to change the game in a deep way. I hope you talented modding guys get behind it. Good luck.

[Paco]

Better late - than never!

Some of features will never be changed without support of Ubi Romania... it is important to preserve SH as respected brand.

I see it as chance.... not only to include new features - but also to change present ones that should be reworked ( example - we do have torp. splash but it needs serious cosmetics - impossible without Ubi )

Ubi guys are professionals, so it will be paid "add on" or you can forget their support... they do it for living, like we do our jobs.


:rock:

That is a great chance....

[Stevepine]

LOVE these extra ideas... how much better would the atmosphere and game immersion be???!

I always have thought things like this have been sorely missing from the SH games. They really would give the game a deeper feeling


- We need the possibility of leaving the pier in bunker and go to our office, or barracks.

- We need the possibility to leave the bunker and visit the harbour club nearby, to talk to the community (online), or just play some roulette or read the latest newspapers.

[Stormfly]

- We need the possibility of leaving the pier in bunker and go to our office, or barracks.


ithink visiting the local catcasino would be more realistic :haha:

[THE_MASK]

Has this ever been done before ?

[ddrgn]

why not just the SDK? im sure they don't even care much for SH5 and are just humoring any contact........

[TheBeast]

ithink visiting the local catcasino would be more realistic :haha:
I was thinking same thing.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=345&pictureid=2342
What's wrong with some game porn.

[tonschk]

Most of SH fans would be happy to pay for "add on" that also contains compilation of present best mods... :up:

I have the normal Silent Hunter 5 DVD and also got the SH5 collector Edition from amazon.co.uk and of course I am ready to buy every add-on made for SH5 :up:

[jwilliams]

Would Ubi really give up the source code? Modders have been asking for this since SH3.

If this turns out to be the case, then the possibilities for SH5 are huge.


Paid addon. :hmmm:

I know I wouldn't be able to resist. Hope this turns into reality.

Only problem I foresee would be that some modders just don't get along with each other. So there may be a few conflicts here.:doh:

[Stormfly]

this is not part of this offer...

[jwilliams]

I read the " no more hardcoded stuff" part as meaning that the source code would be availible. Is this not the case??? Otherwise there is not much point in the modders doing this. As the un-hardcoded part is already being modded...
FOR FREE. :06:

[THE_MASK]

If i was putting my time and effort into it and rely on some pocket money from sales . The first thing i would ask is will the online requirement be dropped ?

[SteelViking]

If i was putting my time and effort into it and rely on some pocket money from sales . The first thing i would ask is will the online requirement be dropped ?

I would be willing to work with UBI in spite of the remaining internet check. No, I don't like DRM or want DRM, but I am afraid it is something we will have to live with, especially if we want their cooperation.

Though, they caved under pressure and removed constant DRM:hmmm:

[nozaurio]

:nope:This really worries me.

:yep:This forum is based on sharing ideas and work done by our great modders.

:hmmm:Now Ubisoft wants to recruit these modders? To benefit financially?.

My answer is Yes, if these aggregates and arrangements are free and I'd say No, if Ubisoft wants to benefit financially with this ...

Remember we pay for a product, which after two patch, still has many problems and I think Ubisoft owes us an answer on this deficiency...:rock:

[Adriatico]

I don't see this as any chance to get serious money... from any side.

It is just a fair common ground for cooperation between Ubi Romania and community moders.

- Ubi guys will be allowed to work only on paid effort
- They can not exclude "moders side" from sharing

It is just a fair principle... that should be determined in advance.

I am sure that Ubi guys have better ways to make money... and I am also sure that moders will do their part - as passion for this simulation, not as money expectations.

* * *
There is one main point here - do we want hard coded parts to be unlocked or not ? (are we true Silent Hunter fans ?)

If starting point is - what Ubi has done to us in a past ...or what Ubi deserves from clients... it is end of story.

Just hope that same "fresh winds" would blow from Ubi at Cliffs of Dover reparation and cosmetics...

[von faust]

// THE COMMUNITY BASED ADDON FOR SH5
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2. Write your ideas of what the addon should consist of. Which points are still open? Please write them in short and explain the idea a bit.
.....


Excuse me if I go off topic (and for my English :O:) but I have a dream....

- The chance to play in multystation like Dangerous Waters, two or more players in the same U-boot.

This will be impossible to do but this will be a new incredible option :yeah:

[TheDarkWraith]

As Martin Luther King said, "I have a dream...."....that's all this is, a dream. The hard reality is Ubi will never release source code to non-employees. Those that think they will need a reality check.
The game had a number of programmers that specialized in different areas. Those programmers are probably not available (or even employed) with Ubi anymore so the point is once again moot.
Turning mods into for profit is also a bad idea :nope: Nothing I've done will ever be made available in a paid for addition (or commercial application). They will always be free.

[sentenc3]

Nothing I've done will ever be made available in a paid for addition (or commercial application). They will always be free.

:rock:

[urfisch]

Nice discussion going on here. But let me first point out:

Calm down, its all PRE-BETA in progress, a contact has been established...but first its all about interest. And til now, NO one has enlisted him or herself for this project. So if there are not enough skilled people, who want to take part in the creation of the maybe "best uboat sim ever", there will not be such a project.

We need:
Project Managers, Software Engineers, Sound Engineers, Hobby Coders, 2D and 3D Artists, Testers

And i understand modders who say, their work will NEVER be available for commercial purpose. I thought in the end, its all about the game - no personal things. Maybe i overrated some modders here, maybe not.

Its one thing, to mod in the areas and limitations, the game gives us now and its another thing, to have access to code parts for general improvements. The cooperation idea is just, as some already mentioned, to let us create new content, we NEVER could create as to our possibilities now. And as the series is not to be continued and the genre is a niche, UBI would not earn a big bag full of money with that (same as we do, just pocket money), UBI would primarily gain a better image in listening to the players needs!

:know:

[Adriatico]

As Martin Luther King said, "I have a dream...."....that's all this is, a dream. The hard reality is Ubi will never release source code to non-employees. Those that think they will need a reality check.
The game had a number of programmers that specialized in different areas. Those programmers are probably not available (or even employed) with Ubi anymore so the point is once again moot.
Turning mods into for profit is also a bad idea :nope: Nothing I've done will ever be made available in a paid for addition (or commercial application). They will always be free.

Why don't you check out what is offered on the other side... before you "blow up the bridge" ?

If you can make a great new mods by "unlocked" codes... or get a "reworked SH5" - simply let the community decide paid or not...:hmmm:

[Pintea]

My 2c about the subject:
The way this proposal was made will never work...from what I have seen here, I doubt that any modder will work under Ubisoft's coordination (don't think for a second that you will have full freedom, this is not possible in a coordinated team).

Also, you will have to work together in a larger team, meaning that you will be tested for your competencies and be given tasks in the field you're most talented in. Judging by the variation of mods on the same subject do you think your egos will let you work consensually on a single variant of, say, GUI ?
Besides that, one of the purposes of mods is to fit more than one taste, do you think Ubi would release an add-on with 5 types of GUI inside ?


My proposal:
Push Ubi to release a SDK (Software Development Kit) of SH5 with only the non-executable parts of the code (.dll only) that contain game-logic code. Trust me, the game is designed to be able to do this...shouldn't take more than 1-2 man months to release a SDK for the game.
Also, they should release all the other tools that weren't released with the game (and there are some that would give you an almost unimaginable level of productivity when modding...just think if you weren't forced to restart the game when changing a single value in a .cfg, and there are tons of cfgs with thousands of values inside, and the game loads soooo slowly...).

[JU_88]

Well i guess its worth a shot.
Sure - count me in as a 3d Artist if you want one. I'll do what i can (for free) :yep:

For the record, Ubi has offered its hand in co-operation to SH modders before (on at least 2 occassions), so i wouldnt rule it out completely.
I know it would hypothetically end up as payware but to hell with politics, If this is what it takes to make SH5 an enjoyable game, then so be it.

[DrJones]

Well i guess its worth a shot.
Sure - count me in as a 3d Artist if you want one. I'll do what i can (for free) :yep:

That's also my opinion...i also raise up my hand...i'll take part...:up:

[The General]

1. Write a short profile about you, your experience in doing modding and your skills.Modders like TDW's work speaks for itself. They shouldn't have to 'apply' for anything. Elanaiba and others have spent enough time in this Forum to know where the talent lies. I appreciate your efforts Urfisch, but an 'Add-on' is not what I'm looking for. What I want to see is SH5 finished as was originally intended. The Dev team know perfectly well what they didn't have a chance to complete. They alone have the skills, the tools, the knowledge, the access and the resources to finish SH5. Looking through the SH5 files, it's clear to see, even for a novice like me, that there are alot of 'lose ends', unfinished elements. SH5 was a very ambitious project and I will always love The Devs for that.

If what you're actually asking, in a roundabout way, is for a donation so that we can hire some of the original development team to work (moonlight) on completing SH5, long after Ubisoft has abandoned the project, then I am absolutely game :DL I'd be happy to donate £20 to the cause, once I have confirmation that this is in fact a realistic possibility.

[stoianm]

My 2c about the subject:
The way this proposal was made will never work...from what I have seen here, I doubt that any modder will work under Ubisoft's coordination (don't think for a second that you will have full freedom, this is not possible in a coordinated team).

Also, you will have to work together in a larger team, meaning that you will be tested for your competencies and be given tasks in the field you're most talented in. Judging by the variation of mods on the same subject do you think your egos will let you work consensually on a single variant of, say, GUI ?
Besides that, one of the purposes of mods is to fit more than one taste, do you think Ubi would release an add-on with 5 types of GUI inside ?


My proposal:
Push Ubi to release a SDK (Software Development Kit) of SH5 with only the non-executable parts of the code (.dll only) that contain game-logic code. Trust me, the game is designed to be able to do this...shouldn't take more than 1-2 man months to release a SDK for the game.
Also, they should release all the other tools that weren't released with the game (and there are some that would give you an almost unimaginable level of productivity when modding...just think if you weren't forced to restart the game when changing a single value in a .cfg, and there are tons of cfgs with thousands of values inside, and the game loads soooo slowly...).

I subscribe what you propose here... how do you think we can make them to release this SDK... make a petition list and send to them?... what is your advice?

[JU_88]

My 2c about the subject:
The way this proposal was made will never work...from what I have seen here, I doubt that any modder will work under Ubisoft's coordination (don't think for a second that you will have full freedom, this is not possible in a coordinated team).


In practice I dont think it would be much of a 'team' at all
It would probably more like, Ubi saying to us, you do your thing and we will have a couple of spare hands to try help you compile it. or something like that ;)
They would not treat it even remotley like an in-house project where everything thing is locked down, because on the contrary, a forum full off Non-Ubi employees is 100% out of their control.


Push Ubi to release a SDK (Software Development Kit) of SH5 with only the non-executable parts of the code (.dll only) that contain game-logic code.
Also, they should release all the other tools that weren't released with the game (and there are some that would give you an almost unimaginable level of productivity when modding...

We can't 'push' Ubi to do anything since we dont actually have any leverage :D
So dont hold your breath for the SDK or any tools. for instance in SHV, they used Rads Granny 3d as their exporter which is a commercially licenced third party dev tool costing thousand's of dollars (so it is not Ubi's to distribute even if they wanted to)
The SDK is Ubi's interlectual property, which they may yet still be able to sell on to another developer.

I worry that Urfish's proposal (as good intentioned as it is) would likely end up getting shot down by Ubi's legal dept long before it can even ask for any resources.
Can you imagine if Ubi published say a 3d model of a new ship in the addon - which later transpires to be a mesh built by a published artist who did not authorise its use? (e.g pirated payware from an illegal download)
Im not saying this would happen or anyone here would do such a thing, but such a proposal would have to pass though someone at their end - who's job it is to factor in all these scenario's for them... So I dont know.

[Zedi]

My 2c about the subject:
The way this proposal was made will never work...from what I have seen here, I doubt that any modder will work under Ubisoft's coordination (don't think for a second that you will have full freedom, this is not possible in a coordinated team).
I have a big issue working under Ubi command, they suck! But no problem to work under another moder command. We know better what this game needs.


Also, you will have to work together in a larger team, meaning that you will be tested for your competencies and be given tasks in the field you're most talented in. Judging by the variation of mods on the same subject do you think your egos will let you work consensually on a single variant of, say, GUI ?
Besides that, one of the purposes of mods is to fit more than one taste, do you think Ubi would release an add-on with 5 types of GUI inside ?
[B]
I agree on this part. Old players will cry forever after the obsolete and ugly SH3 UI, while the younger ones like the new slim one. I would never ever play SH with a SH3-4 like UI. Actually I play without any UI, its hidden. But this part can be further addressed only by mods, no need to include it into an official addon.


Also, they should release all the other tools that weren't released with the game (and there are some that would give you an almost unimaginable level of productivity when modding...just think if you weren't forced to restart the game when changing a single value in a .cfg, and there are tons of cfgs with thousands of values inside, and the game loads soooo slowly...).
Now this would be a dream. For me working on the campaign, its a real horror to load the game million of times just to see every little changes I make. Is why many features will be released without proper testing, its just impossible to test a whole campaign in every little detail.

Speaking for myself, I would love to work in a strong and experienced moders team and work out a new and different campaign in every little details. And this would include the Pacific war too! So finally we could have a SH where the players can play on any side they want and anywhere they want. Its very doable, but would require a HUGE amount of work even for an experienced team. But I would love to be part of that team with only one condition.. no Ubi employee will interfere with us, should be only a moders team.


Regarding TDW opinion about his mods being commercial free.. thats an illusion. Your mods and every mod here that improve and fix the game make Ubi to earn more and more money by attracting more and more people who will buy the game. So yeah... your mods are for free, but also pours money in Ubi's pocket. To have the game open for moding was one of the best commercial decision taken by Ubi. Why spend time and money on making a good game when others can do it for us for free :/

[Sbygneus]

To the modders:
I am but ordinary private SH5 user and I ask you to agree UBI's proposal.
Just to save the subsim genre from slipping into oblivion. Thats all. Thank you.

[urfisch]

Just a short note:

Getting the SDK is a dream, that will never come true. Only way to get the file access we need for real improvements, is doing it together with UBI. UBI only cooperates, when they might get a benefit from this.

Otherwise: No chance. This is an old economy law, its all about money or benefit in the end.

So even if some do not like the firm itself (i sign on that!), the possibility of getting the game we ever wanted, is what it makes interesting. But this only will happen, if we do the concept and the work. So a cooperation is the only way.

[Pintea]

We can't 'push' Ubi to do anything since we dont actually have any leverage :D and petitions can easily be ignored.
Not really "push", just give them the idea to do so...the intention to make the game moddable is cleary there...do you know of any other Ubi game that is this moddable ?
They simply didn't have time to release a SDK, but considering the obvious advantages the modders bring to the game I am sure they will take this into consideration.


Dont hold your breath for the SDK or any tools. for instance in SHV, they used Ganny3d as their exporter which is a licenced third party tool costing thousand's of dollars (so it is not Ubi's to distribute even if they wanted to) They don't necessarily have to release it, but if we look at companies like Epic (Unreal Engine), they have done this with proprietary tools they're using, probably they release modified versions that only work with their engines...not hard to do.


The SDK is Ubi's interlectual property, which they may yet still be able to sell on to another developer (as its only a couple of years old), some how i dont think they are going to release it into the wild for free.

A SDK only includes certain sub-systems of the game, the building blocks and not the cement to hold it together, if you will. They can still sell it if they want, just see how the Quake or Unreal engines are doing it.

[oscar19681]

for me the biggest thing that dissapointed me ( even pre launch ) about sh5 was the lack of other U boat types.

I really couldnt believe that.
Any add on HAS to address this.


2) We really need a FAR FAR FAR better way of managing the crew, letting them be killed and take casualties. (Would love to see a large recruitment pool of officers -- so you could open and read all their profiles and choose one or 2 of them to join your crew) even officers with higher skills and experience being unlocked from the recruitment pool ...when you complete enough campaign goals.

This sounds like it could be a really exciting chance to change the game in a deep way. I hope you talented modding guys get behind it. Good luck.

I agree on this. The biggest let down in the game for me personally is the lacking " crew management ""

Also if this is for real i would also like to see a playable destroyer so we can duke it out in multiplayers against echt other .

[oscar19681]

// EVERTHING IS POSSIBLE

No more hardcoded stuff, just possibilities! In cooperation with UBI Romania there would be no more limits to our needs. Access to all files, creating all the content we want.

// THE COMMUNITY BASED ADDON FOR SH5

So i got in contact with the Product Manager of UBI Romania. Now i want to know, which of all the skilled people here want to take part in this? It it is going to be serious work, consider this. Please PM me, i will publish a list with all interested captains.

// THINGS TO DO FIRST

Before a new uboat-crew can been formed, there are 2 things to do:

---

1. Write a short profile about you, your experience in doing modding and your skills.

---

2. Write your ideas of what the addon should consist of. Which points are still open? Please write them in short and explain the idea a bit.

---

For example:

- We need wolfpacks, which you can interact with, shadowing convois for a combined attack, etc.

- We need a dynamic radio message system, which considers our boat

- We need many new animations for a fully involved, real behaving crew

- We need new ships

- We need more playable uboat types.

- We need historically correct harbours, with new buildings, ships, etc.

- We need the old crew management, access to all your crew members, to form special task forces for repairs, the possibility to decorate and promote all sailors, etc.

- We need an Enigma applet ingame to decypher messages manually

- We need an ingame library applet, to read books in the game, while sitting in the captains corner

- We need small ingame games, to play chess or cards with the crew, etc.

- We need the possibility of leaving the pier in bunker and go to our office, or barracks.

- We need the possibility to leave the bunker and visit the harbour club nearby, to talk to the community (online), or just play some roulette or read the latest newspapers.

etc...

// THE AIM

We create a community based AddOn for SH5, which contains all the stuff we still miss. The AddOn is going to be published via Ubisoft Romania and costs money. All involved people have to sign a "Non Disclosure Agreement" and a special contract. So everything is done right, you can get a share of the income and are credited by ubisoft.

// ENLIST NOW AND BECOME PART OF THE CREW!!!

:salute:

Please note: Everything is still pre-beta status. First i need an overview, which people want to take part - seriously. Afterwards i need profiles of these people, and we gonna vote a teamleader. And from this point on, we are sitting together and sort out the collected ideas from all of you! Then a "Game Design Document" is written. With this document, we get together with UBI and talk about the further steps.

:up:


I like the idea. But how offcial is this? I would love to see a combined modders team and take this sh-5 to the next level. I am allready impressed what is being done now by the community and i think together we could add the crusial missing thing to an addon and beyond. But i wouldnt cheer to soon . I would want to see an official statement first before getting involved.

[JU_88]

Regarding TDW opinion about his mods being commercial free.. thats an illusion. Your mods and every mod here that improve and fix the game make Ubi to earn more and more money by attracting more and more people who will buy the game. So yeah... your mods are for free, but also pours money in Ubi's pocket. To have the game open for moding was one of the best commercial decision taken by Ubi. Why spend time and money on making a good game when others can do it for us for free :/

Excellent point :yep:

[JU_88]

Not really "push", just give them the idea to do so...the intention to make the game moddable is cleary there...do you know of any other Ubi game that is this moddable ?
They simply didn't have time to release a SDK, but considering the obvious advantages the modders bring to the game I am sure they will take this into consideration..
Fair enough.

They don't necessarily have to release it, but if we look at companies like Epic (Unreal Engine), they have done this with proprietary tools they're using, probably they release modified versions that only work with their engines...not hard to do..

Ok, but either they have already made such modified tools which they never released? - (seems strange if they wanted to encourage moddablity)
Dan and co were well aware of the problems we faced with GR2 and have already been good enough to try to help out where they could.
-Or Ubi still need to create these modified tools? which means plugging some limited resources back in to SHV.... when there have been stong indictions that they have washed their hands and moved on - though I hope I am wrong.

A SDK only includes certain sub-systems of the game, the building blocks and not the cement to hold it together, if you will. They can still sell it if they want, just see how the Quake or Unreal engines are doing it.

That may be, but I do belive Ubi were begged for a non-commercial SDK release for Sh3 and 4 - all to no avail, I don't really see what is so different this time around?

[Pintea]

Ok thats true, but I belive they were begged for a non commercial SDK release for Sh3 and 4 - all to no avail, what is so different this time around?

Didn't know that...the only things keeping them from releasing a SDK are insufficient resources (it still requires 1-2 programmers to work on it for a while) or insufficient understanding of the technology involved, after all you'll be talking to the suits and not the devs...you should make contact with an influential dev from the inside, that could maybe help...

[JU_88]

you should make contact with an influential dev from the inside, that could maybe help...

Already in contact with one of them, but he's a good guy and I dont really wanna hassle him :DL

[Txema]

Regarding TDW opinion about his mods being commercial free.. thats an illusion. Your mods and every mod here that improve and fix the game make Ubi to earn more and more money by attracting more and more people who will buy the game. So yeah... your mods are for free, but also pours money in Ubi's pocket. To have the game open for moding was one of the best commercial decision taken by Ubi. Why spend time and money on making a good game when others can do it for us for free :/

That is not really true. Ubi is not making money with SH5 any more.

It is sold for just $4.60 in Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Hunter-Battle-Atlantic-Pc/dp/B002PAIPQO/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1306324422&sr=1-1

Or for £4.67 in Amazon.co.uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silent-Hunter-5-PC-DVD/dp/B002U0KBT8/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1306324366&sr=1-1

No money for Ubi from SH5 these days....

[Alex]

Is that light I see at the end of the tunnel ? http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/Panzer_Kamerad/smileys/Mrglasses.png

If you can bring this project to life, I'll do what I can modeling wise.

[JU_88]

That is not really true. Ubi is not making money with SH5 any more.

It is sold for just $4.60 in Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Hunter-Battle-Atlantic-Pc/dp/B002PAIPQO/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1306324422&sr=1-1

Or for £4.67 in Amazon.co.uk

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silent-Hunter-5-PC-DVD/dp/B002U0KBT8/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1306324366&sr=1-1

No money for Ubi from SH5 these days....

Thats not quite true either, there is a big difference between 'some money' and 'no money'.
SHV is still £19.99 on Steam (who dont release sales figures) though its currently on offer at £13.49 for this week only along with abunch of other Ubi titles.

A Ubi dev once mentioned that Simulators tend to sell quite steadily over a long time period compared to other genres. - So maybe budget buy's is where they make up a reasonable amount of sales on the SH franchise? (especially now the DRM choke hold has been 'loosened up' a abit)
Just saying that id imagine SHV sales - along with its predecessors still continue to trickle in for Ubi.

[SteelViking]

Nice discussion going on here. But let me first point out:

Calm down, its all PRE-BETA in progress, a contact has been established...but first its all about interest. And til now, NO one has enlisted him or herself for this project. So if there are not enough skilled people, who want to take part in the creation of the maybe "best uboat sim ever", there will not be such a project.

We need:
Project Managers, Software Engineers, Sound Engineers, Hobby Coders, 2D and 3D Artists, Testers

And i understand modders who say, their work will NEVER be available for commercial purpose. I thought in the end, its all about the game - no personal things. Maybe i overrated some modders here, maybe not.

Its one thing, to mod in the areas and limitations, the game gives us now and its another thing, to have access to code parts for general improvements. The cooperation idea is just, as some already mentioned, to let us create new content, we NEVER could create as to our possibilities now. And as the series is not to be continued and the genre is a niche, UBI would not earn a big bag full of money with that (same as we do, just pocket money), UBI would primarily gain a better image in listening to the players needs!

:know:

Hmmm, I seem to remember both myself and Reaper7 offering our support quite explicitly. Perhaps our help is not wanted?

[BigBANGtheory]

What is Ubisofts angle here?

I don't think players should be asked to play for fixes and content that blatently should have been included, as for additional content well there I think there is a case for some profitability.

I can't see Ubisoft sharing the complete source code, some 'bits' or 'snipets' maybe...

One thing is for sure Ubisoft has suffered reputation and brand damage on account of SH5 and its DRM policy. I certainly have avoided other Ubisoft titles like SplinterCell:Conviction and Asscreed plus I also own an Xbox360 and no Ubisoft titles in that collection either. This is not because of some boycott or protest I just don't trust them to release a good quality game anymore my business goes elsewhere. I can't be the only one who thinks this... Could Ubisoft be finally seeing sense and trying to repair some damage and reputation? Sceptical as I am it would help them and their business long term. Gamers aren't all teenagers many people are in it for the long haul.

Probably worth asking TDW privately what he would consider a working compromise given his contributions to SH5 to date.

[JU_88]

Hmmm, I seem to remember both myself and Reaper7 offering our support quite explicitly. Perhaps our help is not wanted?

This ^^ Likewise me and Alex both volunteered as 3d artists... thats 5 including yourself Urfisch.
Then there are half a dozen or more who have expressed intreast but want some offical word before they agree to anything (which is perfectly reasonable i might add)
Id say you got a decent turn out already in the making.
For what its worth, If you do PM TDW, maybe PM Hansolo and IamBecomeLife also, they might be interested....

[Targor Avelany]

Good day all,
I'm no more than a semi-regular subsim forum's reader and SH3-5 player that enjoys very good mods (tip-hat to all modders).

Not to be rude to the op, but it is pointless and nearly harmful to offer support from UBI without actual disclosure of what will exactly happen. You are expecting modders to sign up for an unknown, with no semi-solid picture of how theoretically it would work.

You second post, specifying that Project Managers, Artists, etc are required - only shows (at least to me) that it will be a very structured and controlled environment, which a) I don't believe fair to the modders; b) will not work without some very strict official legal paperwork signed by all involved...

that is just how this looks to me so far, my 2c. Take it or leave it.

[FIREWALL]

:hmmm:

[JU_88]

Not to be rude to the op, but it is pointless and nearly harmful to offer support from UBI without actual disclosure of what will exactly happen. You are expecting modders to sign up for an unknown, with no semi-solid picture of how theoretically it would work.

You mean the part where I replied with 'sure count me in' to a thread on an internet forum under an anonymous alias? - You kinda make it sound like I signed a legally binding contract in my own blood. :hmmm:
I agree that its all a bit vague and sketchy at the moment, but to be fair to Urfisch he did say it was still a proposal, so it could be a chicken and egg scenario where he or the mystery Ubi employee, needs to get an idea of numbers and who can offer what, before they can try to form something with more clarity.

[THE_MASK]

I think Pintea has the best idea . Release some more tools for modders to use .

[ddrgn]

I know UBI will never release the SDK for any game to a non-employee, and that is the exact reason why they will never compare to a company like Valve........ Valve is what a true publisher/developer should be and it shows in their quarterly earning reports..... so sad UBI made these games......

[Targor Avelany]

You mean the part where I replied with 'sure count me in' to a thread on an internet forum under an anonymous alias? - You kinda make it sound like I signed a legally binding contract in my own blood. :hmmm:
I agree that its all a bit vague and sketchy at the moment, but to be fair to Urfisch he did say it was still a proposal, so it could be a chicken and egg scenario where he or the mystery Ubi employee, needs to get an idea of numbers and who can offer what, before they can try to form something with more clarity.

also true. I just look from the perspective of an observer and I see a lot of modders making great mods, figuring out how and what needs to be done even without SDK and nice modding tools. The work and interest is obvious. The wish for better ability to do this - obvious from the work these people do.

So I am not sure if figuring out the interest is required.

[nozaurio]

Turning mods into for profit is also a bad idea :nope: Nothing I've done will ever be made available in a paid for addition (or commercial application). They will always be free.

:yeah:Thank God you TheDarkWraith thinks that way and :yep: I hope many of the great modders of this forum think the same.

[Adriatico]

I appreciate your right to oppose... but please be aware:

In a years to come 2012/13/14... the only thing that matters will be:

Do we have systematically reworked modern sub-simulation to enjoy for a yers... or we do not have!

(for 90% of players)

Who will care in 2014 what Ubi has done or hasn't done to this community in a spring 2010... ?
:zzz:

[TheDarkWraith]

You don't need Ubi or their support. What you need is time/skills. With those two 'tools' you can make the game (.exe and supporting .act files) do anything you want it to do :yep: You have the source code, allbeit in machine (hex) code but it IS decodable. Many people working on mapping out the functions/variables/global variables and decoding them will get more done than anything Ubi or it's employees could ever offer :smug:

So start reading up on machine op codes, how to use debuggers, reverse engineering, and assembly and start decoding. I know the above but one person can't move a mountain.

[stoianm]

You don't need Ubi or their support. What you need is time/skills. With those two 'tools' you can make the game (.exe and supporting .act files) do anything you want it to do :yep: You have the source code, allbeit in machine (hex) code but it IS decodable. Many people working on mapping out the functions/variables/global variables and decoding them will get more done than anything Ubi or it's employees could ever offer :smug:
I was thinking about a tool you know... when you change a line in a cfg file to not load the game... when i made the env mod i loaded the game hundred times... a tool like this will be very useful to save a lot a time

[urfisch]

Hmmm, I seem to remember both myself and Reaper7 offering our support quite explicitly. Perhaps our help is not wanted?

Of course it is. But i wrote, interested people should PM me and leave some profile infos, of what these people offer.

We cant do it on our own

Regarding the mentioned strategy of TDW, with "just have to know, reverse engineering, coding, etc...and all this stuff", so we could do it on our own.

JUST?! Dude, this is the problem. Nearly nobody has the time and the skills you have. If so, we could do it the way you mentioned, without any help of UBI, right. But as we dont, we need the help of them. The game is now 15 month in "reverse engineering progress", as we might call the modding. And we managed to change the UI (simple), add some more crew and use given animations for own purposes, import ships (without shadows, etc.) and stuff like that. BUT what overall and deeply improvement have we reached? We still have NO ACCESS to the main core game content to change the gameplay and add or remove things from the game, like ai-acting wolfpacks, interaction with bdu, etc.

Important knowledge for all of us

If you have the skills (which i believe you do have), please release all your knowledge in a sorted database with tutorials and tools, so we all can learn from you. But as long, as you just hassle against a coop with the "magic key guys", accept the facts.

Real improvements = real danger?

Let me just point out the case "privateer". In cases of real steps forward, all modders came to the border of "illegal" code change. So as long, as this border exists and modders are in fear of law suits, only cause of their achievements, we will NOT make any real improvement to this game. This is a fact.

[Zedi]

Now that you mentioned te crew.. joining ubi would mean that they can provide new animations?

Anyway, I still dont uderstand what you wanna do. We have no official word from a dev or someone from ubi to confirm any interest in doing anything about what you propose here. If this is serious, they should step forward and make it official, otherwise is just a talk in a park.

[tonyj]

@urfisch, can you give us some facts about what Ubisoft have agreed pls? I guess i mean, can we have more detail.

[urfisch]

Now that you mentioned te crew.. joining ubi would mean that they can provide new animations?

Anyway, I still dont uderstand what you wanna do. We have no official word from a dev or someone from ubi to confirm any interest in doing anything about what you propose here. If this is serious, they should step forward and make it official, otherwise is just a talk in a park.

I know, everyone want to know if this is official. No, it is inofficial. As i said, its all about interest first. After we know, if and which of the people here are willed to join such a project, another inofficial step will take place. And some will follow. Expect official words concerning this in a few weeks, if there will be such a project.

So, no official confirmation. I even wait for another answer of the pm from ubi. Everythings still "incognito", in slow progress, expect no wonders. But keep the good faith.

[Zedi]

Well, if you manage to make this official and make Ubi interested in such an action, then come back and post a list of open spots for what job is needed, Im sure you will get all spots filled in no time. To make a "just in case" list and give false hopes is kinda pointless imo.

But I wish you good luck with your plan, even if I have serious doubts that companies like Ubi or EA will ever respond to their customers, no matter if that is about improving their products or just simply requesting help.

[Sbygneus]

Guys, Urfisch is right. This is not the war to save the world. We can play finished SH5 sooner in coop with UBI men. I aslo invested money in buying a copy of this unfinished game because I like submarine simulations. But I want to play it at full ASAP. Just give up this holy crusade and sign up for goodness sake! :doh:

[Stevepine]

I think people are far too sceptical about this and its easy to see that some are letting their ubi-rage make them overly negative.

If we can get anything more from Ubi (anything at all) then we should give it a go. Sign up guys ..whats the harm? None of us have anything to lose by just giving a theoretical "yes"

No one is going to exploit you.... or your mods. Chill out.:DL

[BigBANGtheory]

I know, everyone want to know if this is official. No, it is inofficial. As i said, its all about interest first.

I think its safe to say there is significant interest dude.

[JU_88]

I think people are far too sceptical about this and its easy to see that some are letting their ubi-rage make them overly negative.

If we can get anything more from Ubi (anything at all) then we should give it a go. Sign up guys ..whats the harm? None of us have anything to lose by just giving a theoretical "yes"

No one is going to exploit you.... or your mods. Chill out.:DL

+1, Good post Steve :up:

[tonschk]

I think people are far too sceptical about this and its easy to see that some are letting their ubi-rage make them overly negative.

If we can get anything more from Ubi (anything at all) then we should give it a go. Sign up guys ..whats the harm? None of us have anything to lose by just giving a theoretical "yes"

No one is going to exploit you.... or your mods. Chill out.:DL

I Agree :rock:

[Myxale]

I' am a bit skeptical 'bout the whole deal...but I would love to see something good happen to SH5.

I personally think, thart UBI doesn't care, and won't.
SH is a niche and there's money to be made elsewhere.

[reaper7]

Sign up guys ..whats the harm? None of us have anything to lose by just giving a theoretical "yes"

Well said Mate :up:, Well I'm onboard and have signed up (the more onboard the more likely UBI will get onboard too) - If this goes ahead then I'll do what I can to get what I originally paid and dreamt of.
If not I'll just keep modding it to get closer to that dream :sunny:

[TheBeast]

Sign up guys ..whats the harm? None of us have anything to lose by just giving a theoretical "yes"

Agreed, I think most are interested or they would not bother to reply.

Sign me up.

:salute:

[nozaurio]

Agreed, I think most are interested or they would not bother to reply.

Sign me up.

:salute:

:yep:

:salute:

[Silent Ace]

For example:

- We need wolfpacks, which you can interact with, shadowing convois for a combined attack, etc.

- We need a dynamic radio message system, which considers our boat

- We need many new animations for a fully involved, real behaving crew

- We need new ships

- We need more playable uboat types.

- We need historically correct harbours, with new buildings, ships, etc.

- We need the old crew management, access to all your crew members, to form special task forces for repairs, the possibility to decorate and promote all sailors, etc.

- We need an Enigma applet ingame to decypher messages manually

- We need an ingame library applet, to read books in the game, while sitting in the captains corner

- We need small ingame games, to play chess or cards with the crew, etc.

- We need the possibility of leaving the pier in bunker and go to our office, or barracks.

- We need the possibility to leave the bunker and visit the harbour club nearby, to talk to the community (online), or just play some roulette or read the latest newspapers.

etc...


I would also like to see in this a possible addition for SH5 following:

-Separate controls for left and right engine as the Ship simulator 2008.

-The ability for those who want to play with the torpedo tube procedures (flooding / drainage torpedo tubes, equalizing the pressure in them, manually opening / closing the torpedo doors) on a separate panel like this in Dangerous Waters.
http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/940/unledqz.jpg

[The General]

Last year we had some Turkey on here claiming to be a liason between this Forum and The Devs. He promised allsorts and then promptly disappeared. Forgive our lack of faith Urfisch, but we know that Ubisoft have abandoned this franchise due to poor sales and that the Romaina Dev Team have families to support, and are hard at work on some other project. I actually wrote to Akella (creators of PT Boats) last year and suggested they buy the franchise off Ubisoft. Needless to say I heard nothing back, but who knows? Maybe one day we'll see a Silent Hunter 6.

[Zedi]

Agree The General. Actually my imagine about Ubi's ceo reading this is something like "omg.. look at these losers, they think we could pay them to improve our products.. rofl".

No game on earth was so fast ditched than sh5, which is fueling my anger. These fat dudes from Ubi or EA cant take criticism, cant take anything than our money. This is word from somebody who paid 50 euros for SH5. Maybe the only one. So my trust in Ubi is -1. Same with EA.

[THE_MASK]

$89au , had more fun than you could with 89 bucks worth of grog .

[The General]

@Zedi, I too paid full retail price (£35) for SH5, SH4, SH3 & SH2. I love the series. I think SH5 would've been a masterpiece if the Devs had been allowed to fully realise their ambition. Sadly Ubisoft had to pull the plug, but they are in business and the sales just weren't there. Thank god for this modding community and skills of gentleman like your good self :DL You guys are helping to bring SH5 as close to what it could've been as is humanly possible, given the limited access.

[oscar19681]

I agree that this project should be given a chance. I like the big boys like privateer and TDW and other ground breaking modders to join the team so it has the biggest chance of succeeding. I really would love to see an official statement some day anouncing that this project is a go ahead. However something tells me the it will never see the light of day esspecially if you want ubi to pay the modders even when its not a lot of money. But we wil never know if we at least havent tried to get this of the ground. Therefore i say everybody sign up and see what its going to bring us. It wont hurt and if it wont happen , then we will continue modding. But just imagine , more u-boat types and sh-4 style crew managment. just those 2 things allready make me drool like a baby.
So everybody unite and see where this ship will take us!!

[oscar19681]

Already in contact with one of them, but he's a good guy and I dont really wanna hassle him :DL

everybody will gonna have to make sacrafises.

[urfisch]

Agree The General. Actually my imagine about Ubi's ceo reading this is something like "omg.. look at these losers, they think we could pay them to improve our products.. rofl".

No game on earth was so fast ditched than sh5, which is fueling my anger. These fat dudes from Ubi or EA cant take criticism, cant take anything than our money. This is word from somebody who paid 50 euros for SH5. Maybe the only one. So my trust in Ubi is -1. Same with EA.

i know, what you mean. and its not only the buggy unfinished game for a full price...before release they announced the legendary comdev, who should have listened to our needs and make the game as nice as it might get. but nothing ever happened. i hate this kind of policy...i dont like ubi and these big firms at all.

but we need these guys to give us access to the code parts. so only in a coop such a game, as we all want, is possible. the way tdw proclaimed, we should read about software engineering and such stuff to to it on our own, is a way it might work, if it wont be so unrealistic. we will see. in the end we might be forced to do it this way...but first i hope to get these guys convinced, to give us the chance.

:hmmm:

[JU_88]

everybody will gonna have to make sacrafises.

I happen to know he is going though a lot right now in RL. gotta respect that, to put it in perspective, this is still.... just a game.

[ddrgn]

I agree that this project should be given a chance. I like the big boys like privateer and TDW and other ground breaking modders to join the team so it has the biggest chance of succeeding. I really would love to see an official statement some day anouncing that this project is a go ahead. However something tells me the it will never see the light of day esspecially if you want ubi to pay the modders even when its not a lot of money. But we wil never know if we at least havent tried to get this of the ground. Therefore i say everybody sign up and see what its going to bring us. It wont hurt and if it wont happen , then we will continue modding. But just imagine , more u-boat types and sh-4 style crew managment. just those 2 things allready make me drool like a baby.
So everybody unite and see where this ship will take us!!


Where have you been? Maybe get caught up on the goings on eh? :-?

And I'm with TDW on this one, UBI could never offer a more refined project than the modders who have been involved in 5 so far, and never gave up on it. And who knows what future talent that we will see modding the game. The next coder to watch and love Das Boot, come on down!

I look forward to the new talent, a modder that see's that the bar has been set high and goes for it. I am all about the new and out with the old carrot danglers.........

[JU_88]

Where have you been? Maybe get caught up on the goings on eh? :-?

Chill out.

And I'm with TDW on this one, UBI could never offer a more refined project than the modders who have been involved in 5 so far, and never gave up on it. And who knows what future talent that we will see modding the game. The next coder to watch and love Das Boot, come on down!

I look forward to the new talent, a modder that see's that the bar has been set high and goes for it. I am all about the new and out with the old carrot danglers.........

While I agree with the bulk of what you say - who says we can't have both?

[Alex]

I wonder what's ddrgn's goal actually, apart from looking like the local segregationist nihilist annoying people in general, and most importantly moderators who wish to maintain order, peace and good humour at Subsim.

[oscar19681]

Where have you been? Maybe get caught up on the goings on eh? :-?

And I'm with TDW on this one, UBI could never offer a more refined project than the modders who have been involved in 5 so far, and never gave up on it. And who knows what future talent that we will see modding the game. The next coder to watch and love Das Boot, come on down!

I look forward to the new talent, a modder that see's that the bar has been set high and goes for it. I am all about the new and out with the old carrot danglers.........

what do you mean by "Where have you been? Maybe get caught up on the goings on eh""?

[ddrgn]

what do you mean by "Where have you been? Maybe get caught up on the goings on eh""?

Sorry, not my fault your not aware......

I wonder what's ddrgn's goal actually, apart from looking like the local segregationist nihilist annoying people in general, and most importantly moderators who wish to maintain order, peace and good humour at Subsim.

Your just mad because I wouldnt read your bible long PM's.... EDIT: and show some respect son, you just showed up on the 5 forums and believe your opinion counts, what have you done for 5? ......

Chill out.



While I agree with the bulk of what you say - who says we can't have both?


Because its a pipe dream...........

[Sammi79]

and show some respect son, you just showed up on the 5 forums and believe your opinion counts, what have you done for 5? ......

:shifty:

Statements like that clearly show you are lacking in 'respect' yourself, ddrgn. Pray tell, why exactly would your opinion be more important than anyone elses? because you tweak some game files? get over yourself. All these folks are asking is that if there is any chance of working with support from the devs that you and other modders would support this. If for whatever reasons you won't, what are you doing in this thread?

to the OP, it sounds like a great opportunity, I hope it becomes manifest.

[Webster]

this is all pure fantasy like dreaming of a supermodel jumping in your beds

there are no more devs for sh5, the devs who did work on it have new things to do and some love this genre so purely as independent members of this forum they help with advice and tips and just "maybe" a secret tip just between friends if they can.

as for the ad-on concept IMO i highly overpaid for what i got already so why ASK/BEG to pay ubi more $$$ so i can get what i already have free from all the great modders we have

ubi did their part and has moved on, the devs gave us what we needed to finish the game, its just going to take time to work it all out.

its now 100% up to us and us alone to finish this game and work out all the bugs. deal with it, accept it, and move forward

[stoianm]

He he... good point... it is pure truth... there are only dreams on this thread

this is all pure fantasy like dreaming of a supermodel jumping in your beds

there are no more devs for sh5, the devs who did work on it have new things to do and some love this genre so purely as independent members of this forum they help with advice and tips and just "maybe" a secret tip just between friends if they can.

as for the ad-on concept IMO i highly overpaid for what i got already so why ASK/BEG to pay ubi more $$$ so i can get what i already have free from all the great modders we have

ubi did their part and has moved on, the devs gave us what we needed to finish the game, its just going to take time to work it all out.

its now 100% up to us and us alone to finish this game and work out all the bugs. deal with it, accept it, and move forward

[JU_88]

Sorry, not my fault your not aware......



Your just mad because I wouldnt read your bible long PM's.... EDIT: and show some respect son, you just showed up on the 5 forums and believe your opinion counts, what have you done for 5? ......




Because its a pipe dream...........

I can understand why you would be angry at what Alex said, but regardless -you might wanna re-read the above statment and have a serious think about how it portrays you to all subsim members.

[Trevally.]

:shifty:

Statements like that clearly show you are lacking in 'respect' yourself, ddrgn. Pray tell, why exactly would your opinion be more important than anyone elses? because you tweak some game files? get over yourself. All these folks are asking is that if there is any chance of working with support from the devs that you and other modders would support this. If for whatever reasons you won't, what are you doing in this thread?

to the OP, it sounds like a great opportunity, I hope it becomes manifest.

Hi Sammi, its good to see you back:salute:

I hope you are playing SH5 again:yep:
If you feel like helping out - there are some beta campaigns needing testing and some feedback. See this thread (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=182964) . The more people that come back to help the better:yeah:

EDIT: That is unless you are just back to post more negitive threads.:hmmm:

[marleymen]

The more arguing here ...
the less working in SH5 Mods. :nope:

I recommend make a list of joiners to the cause, what are his skills and put it in 1st post. And close the thread until contacts with Ubi are made and successfully. :yeah:

This thread is only working to argue again. :down:

PD: ... And the Forum was having a peak with lot of SUPERB mods incoming.

[ddrgn]

I can understand why you would be angry at what Alex said, but regardless -you might wanna re-read the above statment and have a serious think about how it portrays you to all subsim members.

Check all my posts and ask yourself if in any of those whether its sounds like I actually care about what people think of me? Any respect I have gained here it should be regarding my work and not my personality, if I have gained none, than so be it....

The problem I have with you and Alex is quite simple.... You are merely here now that 5 is getting some notoriety through the hard work of others and your trying to ride the coat tails in to gain the spotlight you lost a long time ago.... I know this because you were not posting here at all until the ship model import fiasco.....

My original comment that you guys have taken so seriously, which I think is funny, only talks about my feelings for the future and the true reality of working with UBI or any of the devs. In regards to Oscar, I think he missed a few pages of reading and is not fully informed on the goings on lately, that is all I meant by that.....

[SteelViking]

:shifty:

Statements like that clearly show you are lacking in 'respect' yourself, ddrgn. Pray tell, why exactly would your opinion be more important than anyone elses? because you tweak some game files? get over yourself. All these folks are asking is that if there is any chance of working with support from the devs that you and other modders would support this. If for whatever reasons you won't, what are you doing in this thread?

to the OP, it sounds like a great opportunity, I hope it becomes manifest.

You just told a rather major modder, the ones fighting to save this game to get over himself, and belittled his work saying it is tweaking a few files.:nope: Choose your words more carefully next time please.

Sorry, not my fault your not aware......



Your just mad because I wouldnt read your bible long PM's.... EDIT: and show some respect son, you just showed up on the 5 forums and believe your opinion counts, what have you done for 5? ......




Because its a pipe dream...........

Yes it is a pipe dream. Let this fight go comrade.

this is all pure fantasy like dreaming of a supermodel jumping in your beds

there are no more devs for sh5, the devs who did work on it have new things to do and some love this genre so purely as independent members of this forum they help with advice and tips and just "maybe" a secret tip just between friends if they can.

as for the ad-on concept IMO i highly overpaid for what i got already so why ASK/BEG to pay ubi more $$$ so i can get what i already have free from all the great modders we have

ubi did their part and has moved on, the devs gave us what we needed to finish the game, its just going to take time to work it all out.

its now 100% up to us and us alone to finish this game and work out all the bugs. deal with it, accept it, and move forward

Agreed 100% I am not sure why we keep needing to make threads like this. I offered my help to begin with as a show of good faith, but the more I think about it the sillier this notion seems.

[JU_88]

The problem I have with you and Alex is quite simple.... You are merely here now that 5 is getting some notoriety through the hard work of others and your trying to ride the coat tails in to gain the spotlight you lost a long time ago.... I know this because you were not posting here at all until the ship model import fiasco.....


Yes me and Alex are the evil nasty bitter ex-GWX guys who are on a covert mission to stir up the pot amongst SH5 modders out of jealousy and rage, because our lives are so utterly empty and meaningless that we have to come on here and somehow!? magically steal the lime light, presumabaly using our top secret forum mind control device? (you tell me)
Oh and this all despite the fact that neither of us have actually ever modded anything in the past, we are both 3d artists and were a very, VERY small part of what was GWX.)

Seriously?
Im afraid your problems are imaginary, but its a highly ammusing conspiricy theory none the less :woot:
P.S I wasn't here for year because I have 1 year old son, go figure, you dont know a single thing about me at all - you just assume.
Now I'm done with this childish BS, its a complete waste of time.

[TheBeast]

O M F G

All this contempt does not represent a MOD'ing Community.

If you want to flame each other please do it in a PM and not in public forum.

Everyone has a opinion. Opinion's are neither right or wrong. It is just how that individual feels about a subject. They have the right to post thier opinion about the subject without becoming the subject focus.

[DrJones]

O M F G

All this contempt does not represent a MOD'ing Community.

If you want to flame each other please do it in a PM and not in public forum.

Everyone has a opinion. Opinion's are neither right or wrong. It is just how that individual feels about a subject. They have the right to post

thier opinion about the subject without becoming the subject focus.

I am entirely of your opinion:up:

[Alex]

Everyone has a opinion. Opinion's are neither right or wrong. It is just how that individual feels about a subject. They have the right to post thier opinion about the subject without becoming the subject focus.
In other words : everyone's free, so let these crappy childish fights take place here, eh. For some reason I'm sure the forum's moderation disagrees with your statement. ;)

But when the anxiety of an individual (who's afraid to see the ohhttp://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/712570bowdown.gif-so-mighty-GWX-team popping up and getting all attention to themselves once again) is polluting the forum, I just say he needs to get his mind cleared up.

Take care, ddrgn, and don't worry so much any more, please : I know you're worthy of praises, and sincerely will do my best not to bother you any more. :up:
But, well... How did I get to bother you, other than by posting a few random messages that were not even directed at you in the SH5 forums ? :o

Relax mate ! :yeah:

[Trevally.]

I hope for the sake of the modders wanting this add on to work, that the "Product Manager of UBI Romania" is not following this thread.

[Sammi79]

@ Trevally, Steel Viking & ddrgn

Yeah I guess my statements were overly negative and ddrgn I apologise, I just feel that some here seem rather quick to shoot down an idea that may well come to nothing, but it's an idea, what is there to lose? Is it not at least worth a try? how about say 'good luck with that' rather than 'dream on it'll never happen' No I'm not playing SH5 atm, can't bring myself to go through that whole process again yet. Like I said I will be on the forums to watch the progress, this thread in particular gave me some hope.

[Stevepine]

Yeah a lot of the modders here seem to need to bolster / boost their seemingly fragile egos by arguing about who has done the most... and who's right on this point or that point.

Im so fed up with reading things like:

"Im not going to share my work"

"You stole my code"
"No I didnt"
"Yes, you did"

"Your comment is disrespectful because I have done more for SH5 than you"

"Look at how many programming languages I know and I can use"

GROW UP

lets work together, help each other and drop the ego.

[Stevepine]

I hope for the sake of the modders wanting this add on to work, that the "Product Manager of UBI Romania" is not following this thread.

Absolutely..

[Zedi]

Maybe Im wrong, but some of the gwx guys hit us first by calling the whole SH5 moders a bunch of thiefs and so on. Why? Because some moders "imported" stuff from SH3-4 and made it available for SH5. For free. So when pointing out egos, look in to your own yard first.

Anyway, its sad to see this "cold war" between the most experienced moders because the only one who will loose is the community. We cant expect anything from Ubi, but this "war" between the moders its a total disaster.

[TBear]

this entire thread shows werry well why a thing like this never would work.....the answer is in all the posts.....

No one is building a wall, it was there from the beginning and no one have any interest in taking it down......just like any other mod forum for any other game.....

The only ones who have createt something like this with any sort of succes are those who have kept silent about it, those who have worked away from the masses....

I have great respect for any modder got no favorites, each are creating there piece of the puzzle all i hope is that they all will keep up the great work they do and dont let this thread under there skin. We might not be able to tear down the wall, but we might be able to create a few boarders and check points so we can visit the other side....

:salute:

[PL_Andrev]

My proposal is work at SH5 partially open code with UBI copy rights.
Moders can do everything but game still needs original SH5 as base (Ubisoft tribute) - something like "Wolves ot the Pacific add-on for SH4".

[Stevepine]

Maybe Im wrong, but some of the gwx guys hit us first by calling the whole SH5 moders a bunch of thiefs and so on. Why? Because some moders "imported" stuff from SH3-4 and made it available for SH5. For free. So when pointing out egos, look in to your own yard first.

Anyway, its sad to see this "cold war" between the most experienced moders because the only one who will loose is the community. We cant expect anything from Ubi, but this "war" between the moders its a total disaster.

I pointed out the egotistical nature of a several modders but I would like to say Im not part of the GWX team. lol I couldn't mod a game if it was written in BBC basic!

Im just a player who thinks squabbling like this is pathetic and petty but youre right...it just shows the community to not really be a community at all. More like a bunch of different individuals and little factions who happen to have a common goal so they post on the same forum.

[TheBeast]

Maybe Im wrong, but some of the gwx guys hit us first by calling the whole SH5 moders a bunch of thiefs and so on. Why? Because some moders "imported" stuff from SH3-4 and made it available for SH5. For free. So when pointing out egos, look in to your own yard first.

Anyway, its sad to see this "cold war" between the most experienced moders because the only one who will loose is the community. We cant expect anything from Ubi, but this "war" between the moders its a total disaster.

I am just throwing this out there. I do not know if this is true process of happenings.

Maybe the GWX guys saying SH5 MOD'rs are thiefs were the original authors of some of these merchant ships being imported into SH5.
Maybe, no one bothered to ask permission to use their works.
Maybe these GWX guys made new or reworked models for both SHIII and SHIV.

Many if not most of the ships in SHIII and SHIV are not stock in game boats. Some are made by scratch boats by MOD'rs. Others boats are reworked by MOD'rs to be more accurate.

If the models being used are made by them and no permissions were given for use in SH5 and propper credits not given. Just be happy they did not pursue issue and get some MOD's banned.

[Trevally.]

I am just throwing this out there. I do not know if this is true process of happenings.

Maybe the GWX guys saying SH5 MOD'rs are thiefs were the original authors of some of these merchant ships being imported into SH5.
Maybe, no one bothered to ask permission to use their works.
Maybe these GWX guys made new or reworked models for both SHIII and SHIV.

Many if not most of the ships in SHIII and SHIV are not stock in game boats. Some are made by scratch boats by MOD'rs. Others boats are reworked by MOD'rs to be more accurate.

If the models being used are made by them and no permissions were given for use in SH5 and propper credits not given. Just be happy they did not pursue issue and get some MOD's banned.

Why dont you post this "I am just throwing this out there." in this thread (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=183904) where you may get some answers?

[JU_88]

I'd say for the sake of everyone's sanity, it's best well drop this and get back to the original topic, I already regret my own part of this mess.

[Zedi]

I am just throwing this out there. I do not know if this is true process of happenings.

Maybe the GWX guys saying SH5 MOD'rs are thiefs were the original authors of some of these merchant ships being imported into SH5.
Maybe, no one bothered to ask permission to use their works.
Maybe these GWX guys made new or reworked models for both SHIII and SHIV.

Many if not most of the ships in SHIII and SHIV are not stock in game boats. Some are made by scratch boats by MOD'rs. Others boats are reworked by MOD'rs to be more accurate.

If the models being used are made by them and no permissions were given for use in SH5 and propper credits not given. Just be happy they did not pursue issue and get some MOD's banned.

Point me out 1 (ONE) ship that you think is not from stock SH4. One! If not, maybe is time for apologies.

I dont have SH4, but Ive had a look here (http://silenthunter4.uk.ubi.com/ships.php) and all imported ships are from the stock roster. More than that, some of the ships are from a SH4 imported ships mod made by Uekel from the german forum and he gave permission to use his work. So again, why we are called thiefs?!?

[stoianm]

:sunny:...why you are supousing all of those things my friend?... they are not true

I am just throwing this out there. I do not know if this is true process of happenings.

Maybe the GWX guys saying SH5 MOD'rs are thiefs were the original authors of some of these merchant ships being imported into SH5.
Maybe, no one bothered to ask permission to use their works.
Maybe these GWX guys made new or reworked models for both SHIII and SHIV.

Many if not most of the ships in SHIII and SHIV are not stock in game boats. Some are made by scratch boats by MOD'rs. Others boats are reworked by MOD'rs to be more accurate.

If the models being used are made by them and no permissions were given for use in SH5 and propper credits not given. Just be happy they did not pursue issue and get some MOD's banned.

[Trevally.]

I am just throwing this out there.
:nope::nope::nope:

Point me out 1 (ONE) ship that you think is not from stock SH4. One! If not, maybe is time for apologies.

I dont have SH4, but Ive had a look here (http://silenthunter4.uk.ubi.com/ships.php) and all imported ships are from the stock roster. More than that, some of the ships are from a SH4 imported ships mod made by Uekel from the german forum and he gave permission to use his work. So again, why we are called thiefs?!?

Here is your answer Beast.

[DrJones]

What's going up here. :nope:

I thought this thread is for those who is interessted in improving SH5 and not to blame each other.:down:

Can we please come back to the topic of this thread???

When i read what is written here i'm curious about what some people might say or ask me about the MaGui Interface wich i think i will release at the end of the next month.

I hope i don't have to justify each line of code i've written to anybody:yawn:

But i think, if there is anybody who will accuse me that i have stollen anything from someone i will retire instantly from this forum.:yep:

I'm not in the mood spending so much time in coding, design and documentation for an open mod for the community while the half of the community mauls each other.

Regrads

DrJones

[longam]

This thread is a perfect example why its so hard for Mods these days to work together. You would think that our lives were in jeopardy if something happened to what I made for a game that most don't even play anymore.

[Pablo]

Hi!

Folks might want to review what Paradox is doing withe the Hearts of Iron-family of games, and compare that to this hypothetical alliance between Ubisoft and the modding community.

I have a few observations: 1. You need only review the posts to get an understanding of how inflated egos and the nursing of old grudges are going to have to be subordinated to team goals in order for anything like this project to succeed. Thus far, I'd say the odds of this happening appear low.

2. You should have a thorough understanding of your rights, responsibilities, and obligations before embarking on such a project. If you're serious about this, consult an attorney. For example, could you be sued by Ubisoft for breach of contract if you failed to perform any of the tasks you'd been assigned or had agreed to perform?

3. I would start by consulting a knowledgeable attorney and providing them a copy of the SH5 EULA you agreed to, and then ask their advice before before you go about reverse engineering the software on your own or trying to stop Ubisoft from using material you've created in one of your mods.

My guess is that Ubisoft won't care as long as they're getting all the money, but if they get even a whiff that someone else is making money on their product as a result of your "hacks" (or whatever) that the game will soon be over.
Anyways, just my $0.02!

Pablo

[JU_88]

Hey Pablo, good to see your still around,
I think its fair to say that consulting an attourney is not a step that any one indervidual will be prepared to take, you know how much they charge per hour?
If taking legal advice was advised for this hypothetical project, then i don't think anyone will want to be getting involved. I certainly wouldn't.
Ubisoft themselves would run a mile from this at the first sign of even a 'potential' legal problem.

whatever we get from UBI (if anything at all) I doubt it will alot and Im pretty certain that no-one is going to get paid and no one is going to get sued.

[Alex]

I concur, it's nice to see you Pablo ! :|\\

[/off-topic]

[anzacmick]

huh :yawn:

[oscar19681]

In regards to Oscar, I think he missed a few pages of reading and is not fully informed on the goings on lately, that is all I meant by that.....

What makes you think i,m not up to date. I check this thread and the forums on a regulare basis. there is a reason why i have 2471 posts so far.
And saying things like "Sorry, not my fault your not aware......" is uncalled for. Anyway like some others said here on this forum i to find it hard to understand
that people throw the idea out of the window without even giving it a fair chance.

[Zedi]

...
Anyway like some others said here on this forum i to find it hard to understand
that people throw the idea out of the window without even giving it a fair chance.

I think it would be polite if Ubi will contact us and make this proposal. Day by day moders are spending huge amount of time from their personal life to improve a game owned by Ubi. That way Ubi earn more money day by day doing absolutely nothing. We are also the best support for this game as everybody who got some problems will always get help here, none on those so called official support websites where is impossible to get any help.

What we get back from Ubi? A middle finger in the face. I think the moding community have already an important share on this game intellectual property as what the players need in order to be able to play the game is already 90% moded.

[sentenc3]

That way Ubi earn more money day by day doing absolutely nothing.


A true great:|\\

[TheBeast]

We are also the best support for this game as everybody who got some problems will always get help here, none on those so called official support websites where is impossible to get any help.

This is so true...:nope:

I have asked questions about Snorkel @ UbiSoft Website in thier "Technical" forum.
I was told they do not answer Technical questions about the game.
I thought maybe this reply was in error, so I asked again.
Again I received same reply.
:damn:Why does "Technical" forum even exist there.:har:

[LtzS_Petersen]

Mmh, im not a Modder, but i would like to drive my favorite IX D2 around the World, test the Meal of the Cook, plot the Course by myself with compass (interesting, same Name for different Things) and Pencil in nautical Miles, would like to mooring in Ports and donate some Beer for the Crew after reaching the Homeport. After that i will go in the Casino, receive my Iron Cross and drink Campagner with Thomsen cause of his new Oak Leaves. :()1:

The Modders did a great Job, i have bought SH5 only for the Navigation Buoys. :D Without Mods it was unplayable, imho. But i think it is the Best Base for a Marine Sim we can get, so wouldnt it interesting to hear what UBI offer?

SSI and Microprose, R.I.P.

[mookiemookie]

One may dream...

[TheBeast]

SSI and Microprose, R.I.P.

At least Microprose release Falcon source code. Now there is freeware Falcon 5.0
This, imo, is best flight sim ever because they released source code.

[marleymen]

So, my opinion is the best option and faster is UBI releasing an SDK and let us modify some aspects in the game that we can´t.

Count with my vote, firm or whatever. :yeah:

(I know what they will do with our list :nope::nope:)

But if collaboration goes ahead i will be pleased of paying a non high price for it. (I payed 45 € for a game that had plenty of bugs, some of them that made me store the game in a board for months, and call him UNPLAYABLE)

[garren]

Release of the SDK?

Yeah, I think we've got a better chance of someone on this site winning the lottery and using all their winnings to fund the development of a better u-boat simulator and giving us all a free copy.

In other words, I don't see this happening. But it's always nice to dream.

Edit: And what's up with all the nasty comments in this thread? I think it should be locked IMO - it's just a tar baby at this point and now I'm unfortunately stuck in it too having innocently wasted my time stumbling upon a thread that seems to have lost it's original purpose (that was fine) and has somehow transformed into a thread of slanderous name calling and finger pointing (not so fine).

[JU_88]

Release of the SDK?
Edit: And what's up with all the nasty comments in this thread? I think it should be locked IMO - it's just a tar baby at this point and now I'm unfortunately stuck in it too having innocently wasted my time stumbling upon a thread that seems to have lost it's original purpose (that was fine) and has somehow transformed into a thread of slanderous name calling and finger pointing (not so fine).

I for one am sorry that you and everyone else had to read though our crap, but thankfully it has already been steered back to the original topic.

[AOTD_MadMax]

Hi,

that sounds great !

I wanne help by creating new Units and other stuff.
My reputation :

- SH4 Bigmod "Fall of the rising sun"
- Many new Vessel ( new SH4 Units like the brand new DD-Pack released today )
- Big german community "Aces of the Deep" with financial background

So do you need me for your projekt ?

Regards

Maddy

[mookiemookie]

So, my opinion is the best option and faster is UBI releasing an SDK and let us modify some aspects in the game that we can´t.

A SDK won't do much good for you unless you have access to the source code itself.

[Obelix]

What's going up here. :nope:

I thought this thread is for those who is interessted in improving SH5 and not to blame each other.:down:
So I ask - why all this unnecessary controversy? Is it not better with the same enthusiasm to roll up their sleeves and continue to work on the game?

Anyway, its sad to see this "cold war" between the most experienced moders because the only one who will loose is the community. We cant expect anything from Ubi, but this "war" between the moders its a total disaster.
I agree! I am always surprised that people are tending to one common goal suddenly begin to quarrel among themselves.
...Day by day moders are spending huge amount of time from their personal life to improve a game owned by Ubi. That way Ubi earn more money day by day doing absolutely nothing. We are also the best support for this game as everybody who got some problems will always get help here, none on those so called official support websites where is impossible to get any help.
Maybe it's time to sue Ubisoft?:know::har: In the same way as ubisoft suing all those who in the slightest degree of advantage of their ideas for commercial purposes.:D
But it's lyrical digressions and jokes, now on the topic:
There are many "yes" and "Against", and each side I can understand. I do not trust to ubisoft, and nothing good from them, do not wait. modders are struggling to improve the game on their own but have to admit that not everything they do - some of the problems without the interference of producers is not resolved. Therefore, the remnants of hope tells me - if there is the slightest chance, even a ghost - it is necessary to drop the pride and enjoy it!
Also very interesting to me than it will end.
Simply my $0.02

EDIT:
Oh, I forgot the most important - what I would like to fix:
to begin with - system damage / repair and torpedoes from SH3
management system by a crew of SH4
separate chassis control machines
Manual control interior lighting boats
discharge batteries with "Full speed ahead", or any other course designed to mimic the course on diesel and electric motors to achieve maximum surface speed.
and of course the additional types of boats.
If this is done - the game can be regarded as perfect, the other missing pieces screw modders.

[AOTD_MadMax]

Some news here ?

Regards

Maddy

[Beltza]

Enlisted sailors:

DrJones (Python, C+)

reaper7 (UI, 3D, texturing)

SteelViking (skills pending)

JU_88 (skills pending)

AOTD_MadMax (skills pending)


Those are our heroes :rock::up:.

[JU_88]

Those are our heroes :rock::up:.

Im no hero, So far I've done nothing for SHV.

As for the (skills pending), I can only offer assticance with 3d models and textures. (I can't mod for crap.)

some examples of ex-gwx4 stuff i have laying around.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll118/v11cu96/ju88dam.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll118/v11cu96/merchents.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll118/v11cu96/Mas21.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll118/v11cu96/tclass-1.jpg

I have a bunch of new stuff we could use in SHV, but i need some time to try and fugure out importing, even with TDWs break though and the excellent tutorials provided here, I am still bound to struggle : Plus some of it is unfinished - or not quite game ready yet.
My biggest problem these days is finding the time and energy for it. :(

[Zedi]

Great stuff JU, that italian PTB would be a great addition to the axis port defense. When stuck with the importing, ask around.. there are few guys here who already have a great xp with importing stuff and can help.

[JU_88]

Great stuff JU, that italian PTB would be a great addition to the axis port defense. When stuck with the importing, ask around.. there are few guys here who already have a great xp with importing stuff and can help.

Hi Zedi, thanks and I certainly will :up:
Hey since your one of the clever modding folks around here :), do you know if surface ships can launch torpedos in 5?
Im pretty sure either TDW or SV imported the Elco MTB from SHIV - And in 5 there is a torpedo controller for the AI submarines, I wondered if any one of you guys has tried attaching to a surface vessel? or maybe that is a bridge you havent come to crossing yet?
I know TDW dabbled with AI torpedos in SH3 and he did make some progess, despite the lack of a controller.
I guess I was kinda hoping that it would be a less troublesome affair this time around.... another little thing that might worth looking at later down the line are 'rockets' for aircraft attacks. Not sure if Sergbutos old but superb Sh3 rocket mod can be ported (assuming he is ok with it)

[Zedi]

..do you know if surface ships can launch torpedos in 5? ..
No. There is no animation for such a thing either. But there is always a beginning ... :)

[JU_88]

No. There is no animation for such a thing either. But there is always a beginning ... :)


Yeah, TDW is possibly the man for the job, (if he wanted to do it) no doubt he is busy with other projects at the moment.

Oh and if you want the MAS you are welcome to it, its already been imported to SH4 courtousey of Japlance
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1671261&postcount=98
You can maybe drop him a PM and ask for the DATs he made, but if he doesnt want to release it yet for any reason - Im quite happy send you the 3d so you can make your own version.
Up to you of course - no preassure or anything. :)
I guess have it shoot torpedos isnt that important since it will never be attacking your U-boat. I guess I was thinking more of Allied MTBs.

[Zedi]

I cant do anything else now, much too busy with the campaign :nope: Maybe somebody else wanna try and then I can place it in the campaign.

[urfisch]

further information is still pending...

[AOTD_MadMax]

Hi,

any news here ore should we reanimate the GWX crew for finishing GWX 4.0 ?

Regards

Maddy

[cothyso]

I might participate (and allocate some of my free time) to this too (please do note that I am located in Bucharest, even though I am not working for Ubisoft Romania, but to some other game development company as lead game designer/senior producer), what's the current status of it? :)

[urfisch]

bad news. the responsible guy is no longer reachable. not via phone and not via email. i exspected that...

:shifty:

[BigBANGtheory]

Rather like finding a representative on the official Ubisoft forum then... :shifty:

[Obelix]

bad news. the responsible guy is no longer reachable. not via phone and not via email. i exspected that...

:shifty:
Alas, this is what most expected:cry:. It is a pity that the worst fears begin to make excuses:nope:.
urfisch, you are not guilty. You cheated more than others.

[Obelix]

Rather like finding a representative on the official Ubisoft forum then... :shifty:
On the official forum of developers are silent as partisans! They are impossible to achieve an elementary answer - they did not even say "Yes" or "no."

[Barso]

This is a real shame.
You should buy iL2-cliffs of dover!!!!
I blame ubisoft 100% as it seems they just pluck games from the devs unfinished.
They need to understand that these type of games need longer dev times than the kinect/wii rubbish.
They must be the worst publishers on the market at the moment.

[Stormfly]

This is a real shame.
You should buy iL2-cliffs of dover!!!!
I blame ubisoft 100% as it seems they just pluck games from the devs unfinished.
They need to understand that these type of games need longer dev times than the kinect/wii rubbish.
They must be the worst publishers on the market at the moment.

thats the "problem" with simulations and the reason that normaly no big hungry publisher want them any more (longer dev time = higher production cost`s together with a relative small marked) :dead:

[urfisch]

yes, but as to the will of many simmers to pay more, when getting a really good sim, compared with konsole/mainstream games...the publishers would earn their money.

so, there is no reason for these shameful strategy in releasing unfinished sim-games. ubisoft is one of the really bad guys in publishing politics.

[BigBANGtheory]

I'm in no way an expert in modding but it strikes me that a community project using a free to license game engine (such as UDK or CryEngine3) and a design brief to aim for realism would answer many unsolved problems.

You wouldn't strip the game assets out of SH you would use them as a platform to improve, better materials, higher polys, DX11 water effects, advanced lighting. Hell with an MS Kinect you can even make motion tracking for the animation!