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marleymen
05-10-11, 01:33 AM
(I will give my opinion for somebody who want read it and reconsider)

Remember to credit and ask for permission for the ships you take from others. For the mods also.

Itīs very disgusting to read some messages that have been put in the forum in the last hours arguing because of this.

Subsim is a community and forum where should reign comradeship.

People should help others, talking and working for only one reason:
improve this SH5 game

Keep your ego, eagerness for notoriety, personal frustrations and all that other kind of bad things that create bad ambient out of this forum.

Remember this is not your farmhouse, in fact itīs a place where lot of people come to put his bit with kindness.

Is disappointing to see that these problems could close the door for much people enjoying what SH5 could be.

Reflect a little.

(Thanks for reading and sorry for my bad english)

PS.

"When the wise points at the moon the fool looks only at the finger"

This thread is about comradeship, the one I donīt see in this days.

Not about stealing mods or crediting. I havenīt seen yet in SH5 Modding.
What I saw made me to write for people to reconsider, not to continue arguing.

Now you can continue if you want. :nope:

(my last post in this thread and about this, please moderator close again before ...)

Zedi
05-10-11, 01:52 AM
Lets see what options we have with these new ships:

a. Starting a fishing company and get rich
b. Working countless hours/weeks/months for free like some moroons just to improve this game and give the community a better game experience.


I dunno whats with some of you guys, but here is what we have: So far we imported only 4 ships. All of them made by Ubisoft. Two of them imported by Urkel from the german forum, 1 by Rongel and 1 by TDW. Iambecomelife also imported a ship from SH3, but thats not used yet in any way. And thats it, nothing more.

So whats the problem? Because Im also tired being called thief and retarded by Privateer and I had just enough. If he wanna pick up a fight, Im all over for it as Im also a hot headed and I love to fight. I just hold back my horses because he is a gwx member, but thats not a reason to call names. Enough is enough.

Rongel
05-10-11, 02:22 AM
Remember to credit and ask for permission for the ships you take from others. For the mods also.I agree 100 %. It's stated clearly in the forum rules. It's okay also to remember people about it, maybe some members don't read them, because some crack/piratism messages also appear from time to time.

Still I have to say that I haven't seen here any case of thieving. Some people even offer their work to Sh 5, which is really nice. There is no import rush (I wish there were :DL) and the ships we have used are stock SH 4 like Zedi said. So there really shouldn't be any problem.

stoianm
05-10-11, 05:43 AM
Lets see what options we have with these new ships:

a. Starting a fishing company and get rich
b. Working countless hours/weeks/months for free like some moroons just to improve this game and give the community a better game experience.


I dunno whats with some of you guys, but here is what we have: So far we imported only 4 ships. All of them made by Ubisoft. Two of them imported by Urkel from the german forum, 1 by Rongel and 1 by TDW. Iambecomelife also imported a ship from SH3, but thats not used yet in any way. And thats it, nothing more.

So whats the problem? Because Im also tired being called thief and retarded by Privateer and I had just enough. If he wanna pick up a fight, Im all over for it as Im also a hot headed and I love to fight. I just hold back my horses because he is a gwx member, but thats not a reason to call names. Enough is enough.
This will never stop in my opinion... anyway.... you work on campaign now... so if you will make an acurate and realist campaign mod prepare to fight... will be me in this case that will call you tief... because you will copy the history:D

JU_88
05-10-11, 06:02 AM
(I will give my opinion for somebody who want read it and reconsider)

Remember to credit and ask for permission for the ships you take from others. For the mods also.

Itīs very disgusting to read some messages that have been put in the forum in the last hours arguing because of this.

Subsim is a community and forum where should reign comradeship.

People should help others, talking and working for only one reason:
improve this SH5 game

Keep your ego, eagerness for notoriety, personal frustrations and all that other kind of bad things that create bad ambient out of this forum.

Remember this is not your farmhouse, in fact itīs a place where lot of people come to put his bit with kindness.

Is disappointing to see that these problems could close the door for much people enjoying what SH5 could be.

Reflect a little.

(Thanks for reading and sorry for my bad english)

+1
You put it better than I ever could.
Thanks Marleyman :up:

Im not a true modder but I have dont a fair bit of 3d work for the SH series, I know what its like spend hours or even weeks creating somthing only to see the model pop up in some one else mod and not even get the tiniest mention for it :( Its not the end of the world, but its not very nice either.

Usually it just a case that files pass so many hands, these things sometimes get lost in translation, but it really doesnt take all that much effort to find out where a file came from orginally.

Its not about egos or power games or anything else- its genuinley nice to have that little acknowlegement in the credits, Since that little 'thanks' is all any modder gets in return for their work.
(And its even nicer if people ask first)

Thankfully only A VERY small handful of subsimnmers have ever had the audacity to pass off others work of as their own, and they all ended up in the brig for it..
More commonly is just a case of negligance or 'not bothering'.

The good folks here are always the ones have that little bit of extra consideration for others work they recycle or modify.

And if someone dont wanna do credits? - well, they can aways make their own :up:

JU_88
05-10-11, 06:18 AM
Lets see what options we have with these new ships:

a. Starting a fishing company and get rich
b. Working countless hours/weeks/months for free like some moroons just to improve this game and give the community a better game experience.


I dunno whats with some of you guys, but here is what we have: So far we imported only 4 ships. All of them made by Ubisoft. Two of them imported by Urkel from the german forum, 1 by Rongel and 1 by TDW. Iambecomelife also imported a ship from SH3, but thats not used yet in any way. And thats it, nothing more.

So whats the problem? Because Im also tired being called thief and retarded by Privateer and I had just enough. If he wanna pick up a fight, Im all over for it as Im also a hot headed and I love to fight. I just hold back my horses because he is a gwx member, but thats not a reason to call names. Enough is enough.

Personally I dont think there is a problem.
I orginally brought this up pre-emtively since if Sh4 is anything to go by, once unit export/imports become possible, there is sometimes abit of feeding frenzy of a minority just ripping whatever they can grab.

I only wanted to remind people to think of the orginal creator first.
Then accusations started flying and a war ensued, meh. :nope:

To clarify I wasnt trying to tell anyone what to do and Im sorry if it came accross that way.
I just wanted to remind people to stay cool, thats all.

stoianm
05-10-11, 06:25 AM
Personally I dont think there is a problem.
I orginally brought this up pre-emtively since if Sh4 is anything to go by, once unit export/imports become possible, there is sometimes abit of feeding frenzy of a minority just ripping whatever they can grab.

I only wanted to remind people to think of the orginal creator first.
Then accusations started flying and a war ensued, meh. :nope:

To clarify I wasnt trying to tell anyone what to do and Im sorry if it came accross that way.
I just wanted to remind people to stay cool, thats all.
I will never belive this... you made this by purpouse... and your intention had the result that had... you say you are not a true moder... i dunno but i see you are from gwx team and i supouse you have good modding skills... the problem (in my opinion of cource) is that you lose to much time hunting ungived credits... if you will spend the same amount of time in modding i am very sure you will make nice mods

JU_88
05-10-11, 06:30 AM
I will never belive this... you made this by purpouse... and your intention had the result that had... you say you are not a modder... i dunno but i see you are from gwx team and i supouse you have modding skills... the problem is that you lose to much time hunting ungived credits... if you will spend the same amount of time in modding i am very sure you will make nice mods

Well what can I say, why? why would I want to create this on purpose?
I have no intreast in making trouble.
ultimatley its up to you what you are gonna belive or not, not much I can do there - maybe have a look a post history if you have the time? I can sure you I am not a trouble maker here. Ive never even been brigged once in 6 years ive been around on these forums.
Yes I am ex-GWX but is that any reason brand me?
Come on man, Ive apologised for my wrongs in this drama, help me out here!
Do you really think what im saying is so unreasonable? I dont understand.....

TheDarkWraith
05-10-11, 06:38 AM
Sometimes it's best to say nothing than to say something and stir up the beehive :yep:

mookiemookie
05-10-11, 06:38 AM
Hey look, it's this fight again!

History may not repeat itself, but it sure rhymes. :rotfl2:

stoianm
05-10-11, 06:41 AM
Well what can I say, why? why would I want to create this on purpose?
I have no intreast in making trouble.
ultimatley its up to you what you are gonna belive or not, not much I can do there - maybe have a look a post history if have time? I can sure you I am not a trouble maker here.
Yes I am ex-GWX but is that any reason brand me?
Come on man, Ive apologised for my wrongs in this drama, help me out here!
No.. because you are a GWX member team i respect you... i wanted to say that this thing about giving credits it is logical (not need to be told... it is like my mother tell me every day to not forget to eat my lunch or to pay attention when i will cross the street)... if you tell somebody.. ''hey pay attention what are you doing... but annyway i wil keep an eye on you'' ... this is very clear for me that a clever person know that saying this to somebody will provoc him... that is all about i am saing

JU_88
05-10-11, 06:50 AM
No.. because you are a GWX member team i respect you... i wanted to say that this thing about giving credits it is logical (not need to be told... it is like my mother tell me every day to not forget to eat my lunch or to pay attention when i will cross the street)... if you tell somebody.. ''hey pay attention what are you doing... but annyway i wil keep an eye on you'' ... this is very clear for me that a clever person know that saying this to somebody will provoc him... that is all about i am saing

Ok I know its logical to most of us, to some it aint, Im only posting it for those people.
@TDW your right on the one hand, on the other hand, if no one says anything nothing ever changes either.
But the hornets nest is not nessicary.

Trevally.
05-10-11, 09:17 AM
This is all very sad to read.:nope:

I thought this forum was very good, lots of people making mods and helping others with mods or to get the most out of thier SH5 experience.

But this last week something not nice has emerged.
A witch hunt? Something else?

Im not sure why any of this has started. If someone has stolen someones work, then lets name and shame.
If not - then what reason is there for all this "Im watching you ALL" posts.
Is the whole SH5 modding forum under this suspicion:06:

ddrgn
05-10-11, 09:56 AM
(I will give my opinion for somebody who want read it and reconsider)

Remember to credit and ask for permission for the ships you take from others. For the mods also.

Itīs very disgusting to read some messages that have been put in the forum in the last hours arguing because of this.

Subsim is a community and forum where should reign comradeship.

People should help others, talking and working for only one reason:
improve this SH5 game

Keep your ego, eagerness for notoriety, personal frustrations and all that other kind of bad things that create bad ambient out of this forum.

Remember this is not your farmhouse, in fact itīs a place where lot of people come to put his bit with kindness.

Is disappointing to see that these problems could close the door for much people enjoying what SH5 could be.

Reflect a little.

(Thanks for reading and sorry for my bad english)

Listen here, read between the lines......... This has nothing to do with credit for mods, ships or skins, its a bout a group of modders that gave up on SH5 and decided to rip on anyone playing 5 or modding it....

Zedi
05-10-11, 10:19 AM
Listen here, read between the lines......... This has nothing to do with credit for mods, ships or skins, its a bout a group of modders that gave up on SH5 and decided to rip on anyone playing 5 or modding it....

Its not a group of modders, its only Privateer. Dont buy everything he sells, it stinks. Calling people morons, retards and all sh5 moding community a bunch of thief's.. he must be on heavy drugs.

marleymen
05-10-11, 10:48 AM
"When the wise points at the moon the fool looks only at the finger"

This thread is about comradeship, the one I donīt see in this days.

Not about only stealing mods or crediting.
What I saw made me to write for people to reconsider, not to continue arguing.

Now you can continue if you want. :nope:

(my last post in this thread and about this, please moderator close again before ...)

Alex
05-10-11, 10:50 AM
(I will give my opinion for somebody who want read it and reconsider)

Remember to credit and ask for permission for the ships you take from others. For the mods also.

Itīs very disgusting to read some messages that have been put in the forum in the last hours arguing because of this.

Subsim is a community and forum where should reign comradeship.

People should help others, talking and working for only one reason:
improve this SH5 game

Keep your ego, eagerness for notoriety, personal frustrations and all that other kind of bad things that create bad ambient out of this forum.

Remember this is not your farmhouse, in fact itīs a place where lot of people come to put his bit with kindness.

Is disappointing to see that these problems could close the door for much people enjoying what SH5 could be.

Reflect a little.

(Thanks for reading and sorry for my bad english)
@ Marleymen : Very well said, Sir. I completely agree with you.

I've been a GWX guy, so I'll not dare to take a stand against anyone actually - what I'd like to say goes well beyond the
rules of polite society anyway.

But I'm sure there would be some improvements around if you - or anyone else being a neutral and respected member of
this community - dare to give the name of the people whose autocratic behaviour force him to show some rejection in the
presence of others, and who basically need to relax in order for everyone to fulfill their potential. :|\\

As Marleymen just said : Subsim's supposed to be a friendly community, hold back your oversized ego if you have one, and
everything will be fine ! :smug:

JU_88
05-10-11, 11:01 AM
Hey look, it's this fight again!

History may not repeat itself, but it sure rhymes. :rotfl2:

Both :cry: and :haha:

stoianm
05-10-11, 11:27 AM
Honest i still not get it... so if i am going now in the SH4 forum (i am not mean that i have something against SH4- it is just an example)... and i will open a post.. please SH4 moders.. when you release mods be sure that you not steal something from SH3... or if you take something give credits... and anyway i will keep an eye on you guys... @ Alex and JU 88 ... what do you think... they will be happy and they will thank me that i was so polite and tryied to remember them how they should behave in society... and maybe they will invite me to drink a beer with them?... i do not think so.. so i perfect agree with Trevally... if you see something that you can prove that a moder from here stoled from SH3 or SH4 or from another moder then just tell us pls... but to writte things in the manner like you guys did.... honestly this is only to provoc people... i am very sory... i have a big respect for GWX team... but this is to weird and a lot far from logical things.. i was never belived that you guys can spoke things like these... btw.. read careful marleymen post.. maybe this time you will understan what he meant: '' PS.

"When the wise points at the moon the fool looks only at the finger"

This thread is about comradeship, the one I donīt see in this days.

Not about stealing mods or crediting. I havenīt seen yet in SH5 Modding.
What I saw made me to write for people to reconsider, not to continue arguing.

Now you can continue if you want. :nope:'' -

He wanted to say here a total diferent thing and not at all what you try to turn his words (only my opinion of cource)

best regards

ddrgn
05-10-11, 11:51 AM
Sorry, but this is all just crap..... This divide between the forums has been around for awhile now. It's nothing new and it certainly did not start in the last few days like some seem to think. But it was all brought to the forefront when a respected member took a **** on 5 modders a few days ago. What was written last night was disgusting to read, be it written in a drunken state or not, I do think true colors were shown... As for the guys coming out of the woodwork and showing up on the 5 forums to remind us how to give credit, they are simply jealous of the progress we have made here and are missing the spotlight they had a few years ago.... Respect can be lost as fast as it is gained......

Alex
05-10-11, 11:57 AM
The spotlight can be lost as fast as it is gained, not the respect, mate. ;)

ddrgn
05-10-11, 12:05 PM
Speaking only for myself Alex, here is my story:

I started with SH3 loved what GWX team did for the game, so I in turn had a lot of respect for you guys.... Now things have changed. You don't see me or any 5 players or modders going in to the SH3 forums and accuse people of stealing, call them names, and belittle the work of others, this is your team doing that on this forum.... You guys have done little or nothing for 5, you guys gave up and only show up here when issues like this arise to remind us to give you credit and try and act the holier than thou bit. The respect I had for you guys has been lost, just as quick as it was gained. And you will not get the it back anytime soon with your comments, documents and general bs. You get my respect for modding and/or being a productive member of this community....

JU_88
05-10-11, 02:01 PM
Look this has gotten way is out of hand.

@ Stoniumn, Yes I see your point, and perhaps my choice of words were not best in my orginal post.
The point is my post was only aimed at those who take and dont give credits, are you one of those people?

If not then you can safely ignore everything Ive said.
If yes then do think its unreasonable to give credit where its due?

Its something that has been in practice on subsim years before the GWX saga before you and I even registered here, it just a case of having good manners and practice.

Maybe 'stealing' is a bit stong since all mods are free anyway- but it certainly is disrespectful.
how hard is it to write a subsim user name in notepad? because that is all the effort it bloody well takes.

Did some one say this is out of 'jealousy?' From what I remember thats exactly how many of the GWX team felt when they were leading the charge modding SH3, some 5 years ago.... many of the GWX haters were supected as being jealous.
Could it be you are falling in to the same trap now that you guys are pioneers of modding this game? quite possibly, it can happen to anyone.

Trust me Im happy for what you guys have done so far and are doing but I wouldn't wanna trade places with you, its hard work and very time consuming (which brings us back to why we should credit each other). I was there once before and I have no wish to go back.

JU_88
05-10-11, 02:09 PM
Speaking only for myself Alex, here is my story:

I started with SH3 loved what GWX team did for the game, so I in turn had a lot of respect for you guys.... Now things have changed. You don't see me or any 5 players or modders going in to the SH3 forums and accuse people of stealing, call them names, and belittle the work of others, this is your team doing that on this forum.... You guys have done little or nothing for 5, you guys gave up and only show up here when issues like this arise to remind us to give you credit and try and act the holier than thou bit. The respect I had for you guys has been lost, just as quick as it was gained. And you will not get the it back anytime soon with your comments, documents and general bs. You get my respect for modding and/or being a productive member of this community....

GWX GWX GWX...
Seriously put the GWX card away! We really dont care what you think of GWX!
We are not GWX as it no longer exsists, we are just subsimmers like you and everyone else.
Please move on.
Im gonna change my damn sig pretty soon :P

Zedi
05-10-11, 02:10 PM
..
The point is my post was only aimed at those who take and dont give credits, are you one of those people?
...

I always give credit, still I was called retard and thief by Privateer few times. Not to mention the very strong words used by him last night calling TDW a moron, a nice fuk off link for ddrgn and calling the whole sh5 moding community a bunch of thief's.

I had enough. If he is on drugs when posting here, then he need some urgent medical care before turning into a junkie.

ddrgn
05-10-11, 02:11 PM
Look this has gotten way is out of hand.

@ Stoniumn, Yes I see your point, and perhaps my choice of words were not best in my orginal post.
The point is my post was only aimed at those who take and dont give credits, are you one of those people?

If not then you can safely ignore everything Ive said.
If yes then do think its unreasonable to give credit where its due?

Its something that has been in practice on subsim years before the GWX saga before you and I even registered here, it just a case of having good manners and practice.

Maybe 'stealing' is a bit stong since all mods are free anyway- but it certainly is disrespectful.
how hard is it to write a subsim user name in notepad? because that is all the effort it bloody well takes.

Did some one say this is out of 'jealousy?' From what I remember thats exactly how many of the GWX team felt when they were leading the charge modding SH3, some 5 years ago.... many of the GWX haters were supected as being jealous.
Could it be you are falling in to the same trap now that you guys are pioneers of modding this game? quite possibly, it can happen to anyone.

Trust me Im happy for what you guys have done so far and are doing but I wouldn't wanna trade places with you, its hard work and very time consuming (which brings us back to why we should credit each other). I was there once before and I have no wish to go back.

Not sure why you are here posting any of this, that is my problem I guess. You assumed 5 modders would steal 3 and 4 work and decided to preach your silly rules and regulations from a lost time...... I want to be done here in this thread, because I have made my point clear above... I can't but help posting when its just more bs after more bs.

stoianm
05-10-11, 02:13 PM
Look this has gotten way is out of hand.

@ Stoniumn, Yes I see your point, and perhaps my choice of words were not best in my orginal post.
The point is my post was only aimed at those who take and dont give credits, are you one of those people?

If not then you can safely ignore everything Ive said.
If yes then do think its unreasonable to give credit where its due?

Its something that has been in practice on subsim years before the GWX saga before you and I even registered here, it just a case of having good manners and practice.

Maybe 'stealing' is a bit stong since all mods are free anyway- but it certainly is disrespectful.
how hard is it to write a subsim user name in notepad? because that is all the effort it bloody well takes.

Did some one say this is out of 'jealousy?' From what I remember thats exactly how many of the GWX team felt when they were leading the charge modding SH3, some 5 years ago.... many of the GWX haters were supected as being jealous.
Could it be you are falling in to the same trap now that you guys are pioneers of modding this game? quite possibly, it can happen to anyone.

Trust me Im happy for what you guys have done so far and are doing but I wouldn't wanna trade places with you, its hard work and very time consuming (which brings us back to why we should credit each other). I was there once before and I have no wish to go back.
Lol... my nick is stoianm... no... i do not have problems with giving credits... i personal... i do not care about credits... and i do not have the impresion that i invented the wheel or the warm water... i am not a moder.. i am a mod twiker... so i am happy to give credits all the people that i was inspired from their work or i used their work... watch my env mod and you will easy see on the credits... i did not spoked about the jalous here... i just not liked how you spoked... i like to help people... i spend manny hours to help people and i will spend in the future also.. and this is not because i want credits... just because make me feel better when i help people fix their problems

And the modding part i spend time on it because i like this game and i want to help to improuve at maximum.. for instance were very nice that you have teach me things from your experience... and maybe with your help to improuve old things... that were much better than we argue for nothing... as zedi said we not make money from this... we are doing this from pasion


regards

JU_88
05-10-11, 02:17 PM
Lol... my nick is stoianm... no... i do not have problems with giving credits... i personal... i do not care about credits... and i do not have the impresion that i invented the wheel or the warm water... i am not a moder.. i am a mod twiker... so i am happy to give credits all the people that i was inspired from their work or i used their work... watch my env mod and you will easy see on the credits... i did not spoked about the jalous here... i just not liked how you spoked... i like to help people... i spend manny hours to help people and i will spend in the future also.. and this is not because i want credits... just because make me feel better when i help people fix their problems

And the modding part i spend time on it because i like this game and i want to help to improuve at maximum.. for instance were very nice that you have teach me things from your experience... and maybe with your help to improuve old things... that were much better than we argue for nothing... as zedi said we not make money from this... we are doing this from pasion


regards

thats cool mate :) I have no quarrel with you whatsoever. (And Sorry for getting your name wrong)

JU_88
05-10-11, 02:21 PM
Not sure why you are here posting any of this, that is my problem I guess. You assumed 5 modders would steal 3 and 4 work and decided to preach your silly rules and regulations from a lost time...... I want to be done here in this thread, because I have made my point clear above... I can't but help posting when its just more bs after more bs.

Well ive already explained it crystal clear and im not going to bore you or myself with it again.
I assumed nothing about 5 modders. and it not silly rules and regulations, since no one is or can enforce anything anyway, its just common courtesy and manners.
But yeah I agree I think we've think we've all made our selves clear.

stoianm
05-10-11, 02:21 PM
then its totally cool mate :) I have not quarrel with you whatsoever. (Sorry for getting your name wrong)
:up::sunny:

Trevally.
05-10-11, 02:50 PM
I remain shocked by this whole thread.:nope:
I had no idea subsim could be like this.
I truly believed this was a honest forum where mature people work together and discuss sub topics.

This whole "who did it" - "did what" - "nobody knows" thread is very disappointing as there seems to be no substance to these suggestions of wrong doing.

Why do we need reminded of the rules when nobody has broken them:06:

Alex
05-10-11, 05:49 PM
I'm very glad to see the matter is solved now. I'll go the PM way with you now, ddrgn. :yeah: