Bin Laden is dead, official

[Armistead]

My wife just said Osama Ladin was dead, but didn't know how...

If so, let the debate begin...She just said it looks like we got him...Oh well, should be interesting. I'll look for it in the news tomorrow or better yet come here so I can get facts.

[UglyMowgli]

According CNN, Fox, CBC, etc.... OSB is deqd and his body is in the hand of the US.

In my opinion, nothing is going to change, except their is an another martyr.

[Stealhead]

I agree fully with you on this even if he is dead it changes little the ideology is not going to go away.Hitler has been dead for some time but his ides are still very much alive.

[Torplexed]

I agree fully with you on this even if he is dead it changes little the ideology is not going to go away.Hitler has been dead for some time but his ides are still very much alive.

Hitler's being dead didn't kill anti-Semitic stupidity which had been around for centuries but did a lot to dampen it. 10 years late, but praise be to Allah anyway. :D

[Armistead]

News said he was killed a week ago, just had to do DNA to prove it before it was released...

No, doubt it will change everything, may even get worse for awhile. Been much better to have captured him and let him rot in jail.

[TLAM Strike]

Tango Down... :salute:

[Torplexed]

He was in a comfy mansion in Islamabad? So much for the spartan warrior ascetic that has been projected on him rightly or wrongly all these years.

[TLAM Strike]

My wife just said Osama Ladin was dead, but didn't know how...

bullets would be a good guess... :03:

[Stealhead]

Hitler's being dead didn't kill anti-Semitic stupidity which had been around for centuries but did a lot to dampen it. 10 years late, but praise be to Allah anyway. :D

I am referring to neonazi type groups.And in any case killing one person rarely gets rid of a problem when it is on the global scale.

Dont get me wrong this is good news indeed but there is still much to be done and we dont yet know what effect Bin Laden having been killing is going to have on his followers it may only in courage them.

I have a very close friend who is an officer in military intelligence and is deployed in this region normally he is able to send me an e-mail every few weeks for the last month or so I have heard nothing from him which has made me wonder if something major was up operations wise.

[Factor]

I really hope they release photos of his dead body........We deserve it.

[Rilder]

Al Jazeera has a guy on who actually met him before. Very Interesting conversation.

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

[Madox58]

If he was zapped a week ago?
Why no stuff on the followers websites and such?
:hmmm:

I'd think they would have went Ape over this.

[darius359au]

someone got some very good intel or the price on his head was just too tempting :D
If it is true all his little minions are going to be worried ,if he can be found and killed then anyone of them can be!

[claybirdd]

Well I must say that this is great news. Good job to those who pulled this off. Let's just hope there is little to no counter attack by Al-queda.

[Torplexed]

Well, I'm glad it happened before the 10th anniversary of 9/11. It's also important to remember that Bin Laden was responsible for the Cole bombing and the destruction of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

However, by this time tomorrow Republicans and Democrats will probably be arguing over whether Obama gets credit or some other such nonsense.

[Madox58]

It's always been just a matter of time.
You can run.
But you can't hide for ever.

[Rilder]

Obama making his speech now.

[Garion]

It has just been confirmed that he is dead.

Cheers

Garion

[reignofdeath]

According CNN, Fox, CBC, etc.... OSB is deqd and his body is in the hand of the US.

In my opinion, nothing is going to change, except their is an another martyr.

But its the symbol to the people that counts. Because of him so much hurt and pain was caused, and its relieving to see that all brought back on him. Same with Hitler, I'm sure when Hitler died many people around the globe rejoiced that a tyrant was dead.

[mookiemookie]

:yeah:

[Torplexed]

:yeah:

I approve of this message. :D

[razark]

:salute: to the troops and others who made this happen.

[Rilder]

The Washington DC celebrators all look like Douchebags... :rotfl2:

[GoldenRivet]

http://www.empoweredtraditionalist.com/wp-content/uploads/kissing1.jpg


i instantly thought of these two :woot::woot::woot:

[TLAM Strike]

Just one question... who is this Ben Laden guy? Is he related to that terrorist?

[Onkel Neal]

Well, I'm glad it happened before the 10th anniversary of 9/11. It's also important to remember that Bin Laden was responsible for the Cole bombing and the destruction of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

However, by this time tomorrow Republicans and Democrats will probably be arguing over whether Obama gets credit or some other such nonsense.

Obama deserves some credit, I'll give it to him. Damn glad he followed through on the intel, and according to his speech, US Special Forces went in and got him, not some drone.


Total awesome. Yeah, the Islamists won't like this, he'll be a martyr, so what. If someone takes his place, kill him too. I don't subscribe to the creedo "this won't change anything, we can't stop them so let's give up." Screw that. Take the fight to them and crush them.

[Torplexed]

http://www.empoweredtraditionalist.com/wp-content/uploads/kissing1.jpg


i instantly thought of these two :woot::woot::woot:

Excellent sentiment. :cool:

[GoldenRivet]

I don't subscribe to the creedo "this won't change anything, we can't stop them so let's give up." Screw that. Take the fight to them and crush them.

this

:salute:

[TLAM Strike]

http://www.empoweredtraditionalist.com/wp-content/uploads/kissing1.jpg


i instantly thought of these two :woot::woot::woot:

I instantly thought of this guy...
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7680/30042006172.jpg
I wonder if OBL will be butt raped by him tonight...

[TorpX]

They are reporting on radio that he was killed today in ground attack. I am wondering if any attempt was made to capture him.
No matter, glad he's dead, but wish it had happened sooner. No doubt he had many friends in Pakistan.


:woot::woot::woot::woot::woot:

[Torplexed]

Total awesome. Yeah, the Islamists won't like this, he'll be a martyr, so what. If someone takes his place, kill him too. I don't subscribe to the creedo "this won't change anything, we can't stop them so let's give up." Screw that. Take the fight to them and crush them.

I still remember all the flags and "Never Forget" messages you had on the front page of SubSim back then in 2001, Neal. I bet it sure feels good to still be around when OBL isn't. :D

[Onkel Neal]

Yes sir, it does. This has been a long time coming, Mission accomplished, for real this time. :yep:

[Madox58]

A mission like that?
You don't go in holding fire.
You kill every SOB in the AO so you can go home alive.

[Stealhead]

"I don't subscribe to the creedo "this won't change anything, we can't stop them so let's give up." Screw that. Take the fight to them and crush them."

Just to clarify Neal in case you mis took the meaning my post such a thing is not what I meant.I have several very close friends who are in this fight and I myself was apart of it.I am saying that we will still have much do to complete our goals yet Bin Laden was but one of them.

The groups that are a threat to us are still out there and are very motivated Bin Laden is a set back indeed but this is not over until we destroy the abilities of AQ and affiliates completely and that will take time.Assuming that "we won" simply because Bin Laden is dead is a mistake my concern is that the powers that be make this mistake.AQ is more of a Hydra than a snake we must cut off every head and lance the neck to kill it.(I dont mean to say that you have the "we won" line of thinking Neal just using the example not trying say this your is feeling:salute:)

[Onkel Neal]

@Stealhead, I agree, this fight isn't over, but I am sure going to relish this victory. I hope they can determine which US soldier put the first bullet in that basstrd and that solider gets his picture on the $20 bill.

[TLAM Strike]

@Stealhead, I agree, this fight isn't over, but I am sure going to relish this victory. I hope they can determine which US soldier put the first bullet in that basstrd and that solider gets his picture on the $20 bill.

From what I've heard it was an operator from the Teams that got him. I doubt we will know who did it until that guy retires, security concerns for ongoing or past ops and all.

Suffice it to say there will be a lot of free rounds of drinks around Coronado and Little Creek tomorrow.

EDIT: Looks like the free drinks are going to be at Oceana NAS home of SEAL Team Six. Way to go ST6!

[Molon Labe]

"Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore."

[tater]

WTFG!

[NEON DEON]

The message was clear. If you seek to terrorize the world, the United States will seek to end your terror no matter how long it takes. Our resolve has been tested but not diminished.


In one dispatch I read, The line went this way:

Obama may have started the week by handing over a birth certificate but ended it with a death certificate.

Good bye Osama. May God have mercy on your soul.

[Torplexed]

Obama may have started the week by handing over a birth certificate but ended it with a death certificate.


Indeed. The weekend started with an awesome wedding in London, and ended with an awesome funeral in Islamabad.

I need more weekends like this one. :cool:

[Falkirion]

It took the US nearly 10 years to find and kill him but they can finally say they got the (insert explicitive here) that brought the country to a stand still on 9/11/01.

He played one heck of a game of hide and seek but now he can spend eternity rotting in every level of hell there is. No virgins for you!

[Rilder]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224051_10150183881421777_589666776_7363523_6154864 _n.jpg

[MH]

Good work.
:rock::rock::rock::rock::rock:

[Hottentot]

I'm sure someone will come along somewhere shortly to complain that he should have been captured and given a fair trial. In some other case I could even see myself doing so but here? Screw it. At least this way we were spared from the international media broadcasting his every word to the world, making him even greater martyr than he will now become.

I admit I didn't feel anything when reading this piece of news. So he is dead, hooray. Nevertheless I'm wishing the best to everyone who has been waiting for this moment for almost ten years. You deserve your party tonight :up:.

[GoldenRivet]

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/224051_10150183881421777_589666776_7363523_6154864 _n.jpg

Right... because the soldiers were all busy drinking cold beer and playing golf.

:doh:

[Rilder]

Right... because the soldiers were all busy drinking cold beer and playing golf.

:doh:

Oh Relax we just killed a mass murderer, have some fun.:O:

Edit: More fun.

http://i.imgur.com/IDsF2.gif

[magic452]

Very good news indeed. Wish it would have happened years ago but today is OK.

Magic

[Molon Labe]

I found the pic. It's not as gruesome as they're making it out to be, but I'll still link (http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/media/blogs/blog/9/osama_bin_laden_dead0001_66.jpg) it instead of putting it directly here.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

My conrats to the US Armed Forces on finally getting OBL:salute::salute::yeah:. You've killed the man but the ideas he spread are much harder to kill.

[claybirdd]

boom-headshot. personally i'm glad it was up close and by an american with a .25 cent piece of jacketed lead as opposed to a predator missle. TEAM AMERICA

[Fish In The Water]

Wow...

A long time comin' but well worth the wait. :yep:

[Betonov]

Now they should put his head on a spike and put him on ground zero. And throw the body to be eaten by pigs. Not just any animal, but pigs

[Tribesman]

This is the best news for a long long time:up:

[STEED]

America you have had your justified revenge, well done ridding the world of this evil pig dog forever.

The fight goes on....

[Molon Labe]

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

[EFileTahi-A]

For some, Bin Laden was the mind behind 9/11 attack, for others it was a mere puppet in a conspiracy plan.

Despite what you believe, his death won't change anything at all. Actually, I believe he would be far more useful if kepted prisoner for interrogation so people would learn more but Al-Qaeda (I suppose). But the US and A already know everything right? Though it could not forseen 9/11.

Anyway, America managed to achieve one of their many primary objectives. Congrats.

[Zedi]

For me this its feels weird. One the most powerful nation on earth that won ww2 and the cold war now being happy by killing a single dude in panties after 9 years of hunting him. Something is wrong.

And sadly, this will solve nothing.. more violence and hate will unleash as all this terrorist thingie is not something that was controlled by a single man, is not a war against an organized army that will loose power soon as the president/king/commander is killed. All I can hope is that the guys in panties will not start to target randomly every western nation, or even use unconventional weapons as it was stated in wikileaks. Because who will suffer are not the fat politicians, but us... the civilians.

[EFileTahi-A]

For me this its feels weird. One the most powerful nation on earth that won ww2 and the cold war now being happy by killing a single dude in panties after 9 years of hunting him. Something is wrong.

And sadly, this will solve nothing.. more violence and hate will unleash as all this terrorist thingie is not something that was controlled by a single man, is not a war against an organized army that will loose power soon as the president/king/commander is killed. All I can hope is that the guys in panties will not start to target randomly every western nation, or even use unconventional weapons as it was stated in wikileaks. Because who will suffer are not the fat politicians, but us... the civilians.

Subscribed.

[darius359au]

someone is useing their brains http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/9298382/bin-laden-body-buried-at-sea-us-official/ no tomb/grave = no pilgrimage to the "Matyrs" grave and then jihad kill spree!

[STEED]

http://i.imgur.com/IDsF2.gif

Obama ran out of cigarettes? :hmmm: :haha:

[Betonov]

I'm sure this is the real Bin Laden (considering the conpiracies), if it was just a fake showing to increase a presidents rating, this would be the eleventh time he got killed. Bush had a low rating period when he could have pulled a stunt like this. This is why I am convinced this is the real deal

[Myxale]

Kudos to all involved :salute:.
Was long overdue!

But still feel like this wont matter in the long run. The radical Islamics groups are not amused!

Now that the mission is accomplished, lets pack up the troops and get the hell outta dodge!

Best of wishes!:dead:

[Skybird]

The impact from this probably gets exaggerated, but nevertheless: congratulations, one explicitly announced war goal has been acchieved. :up:

Unfortunately, his ideological heritage remains and breeds new evil. But for this moment, let'S take a deep breath and enjoy the moment. One head of the enemy has been slain, and for itself that is a good news.

And then move on and multiply pressure on Pakistann. Luxus villa? Pakistani tourist aera? Just 100 km from the capital? This could not have happened without protection by major figures of the Pakistani government knowing about it.

[Capt. Morgan]

Fantastic news, and very well done.

I happen to think it changes a lot. While there's no shortage of hatred-fueled fanatics in this world, there are no leaders with anything close to Bin Laden's capabilities or vision (sick as it was). I think it's a great loss for the Jihadists.

For almost 10 years nobody could find him, now you can look at his compound on Google Earth
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/obl_compound_correct.jpg

[Dowly]

I found the pic. It's not as gruesome as they're making it out to be, but I'll still link (http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/media/blogs/blog/9/osama_bin_laden_dead0001_66.jpg) it instead of putting it directly here.

A rather bad photoshop I might say. :DL

The part from the eyes down is from this photo:
http://zoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/bin_laden_35744t.jpg

[Penguin]

Good job! :up: Finally they got him.
However Al-Qaeda is not an hierarchic organisation like the NSDAP was, where you kill the snake by cutting off its head, other morons will carry on... Glad that we also catched some guys in Germany last week, who planned an attack on the public transportation here. They were also linked to AQ, here's the story:
Al-Qaida suspects seized with explosives (http://www.thelocal.de/society/20110429-34713.html)

According to CNN, the body was already dumped into the sea:

Bin Laden's body was later buried at sea, an official said. Many Muslims adhere to the belief that bodies should be buried within one day
The official did not release additional details about the burial, but said it was handled in keeping with Muslim customs.
Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.dead/index.html?hpt=T1

I think they should have put his head on a stake, while his body gets raped by gay pigs - just to show the islamistic idiots: "See, Americans can be crazy mofos, too!" :D

[AngusJS]

Good riddance. :woot:

[Gerald]

Well,the CIA och "dragons"have received a boost

[Jimbuna]

Great news indeed....now we await the potential backlash but we've been there for nearly six years as it is.

Well done Navy Seal Team Six and a wise move burying the trash at sea...no shrine to look at now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676

[Biggles]

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/memes-you-rock-obama.jpg

It's okay mr. Obama, I forgive you! :salute: :haha:

:woot:

[Takeda Shingen]

Fantastic news! That's what you get when you mess with the US.

[Kapitän Schneider]

Isn't it ironic that he was OBL was killed on the same day Hitler committed suicide.

Amazing what Americans can do when the Playstation Network goes down.

[bookworm_020]

From what I've heard it was an operator from the Teams that got him. I doubt we will know who did it until that guy retires, security concerns for ongoing or past ops and all.

Suffice it to say there will be a lot of free rounds of drinks around Coronado and Little Creek tomorrow.

EDIT: Looks like the free drinks are going to be at Oceana NAS home of SEAL Team Six. Way to go ST6!

I don't think they'll be paying for drinks for a long, long time....

Isn't it ironic that he was OBL was killed on the same day Hitler committed suicide.

Amazing what Americans can do when the Playstation Network goes down.

Best conspiracy theory of the day goes to one bloke who reckoned that it was the CIA who hacked into the Playstation network to get Bin Laden's address, as he was a big player of Call of Duty: Black Ops!:doh:

[mookiemookie]

I need to see OBL's long form death certificate.
:03:

[HunterICX]

I need to see OBL's long form death certificate.
:03:

Ask Trump...

HunterICX

[Feuer Frei!]

Never thought i'd see the day.
So what now? This will not be the end of al-Qaeda. Unfortunately.

[Gerald]

No, it's just the beginning, these terrorist cells, growing up like mushrooms over empires, but this may change the political benefits for Obama

[Oberon]

Well bugger me. I didn't think I'd see this day. Well done America, good job!

There's going to be a lot of questions to ask after this, particularly after he was sitting in a nice house right next door to Pakistans Military Academy. There is also going to be a lot more attacks in Europe and the US over the coming months, so we'll have to hunker down and be ready for them. For now though, today is a good day. :yep:

[Armistead]

Osama is really not a tactical player anymore, just a figurehead. We may see a rise in terror, but the fact is the group is spread and multilayered now. Anytime you shut down the owner, all the managers go into business for themselves. They're always planning attacks, him dead doesn't change anything except they may try some sooner, but that will also expose other top leaders.

We should do like biblical days, cut his head off and run it up a flag pole at the World Trade Center site

[Torplexed]

Osama is really not a tactical player anymore, just a figurehead. We may see a rise in terror, but the fact is the group is spread and multilayered now. Anytime you shut down the owner, all the managers go into business for themselves. They're always planning attacks, him dead doesn't change anything except they may try some sooner, but that will also expose other top leaders.

We should do like biblical days, cut his head off and run it up a flag pole at the World Trade Center site


Indeed. Bin Laden's heir apparent, Ayman al-Zawahri, is a harsh, divisive figure who lacks the mystique that bin Laden used to hold together Al-Qaida's various factions. So, probably the greatest terrorist threat to the U.S. is now the newer and more energetic Al-Qaida franchise in Yemen, far from their current core in Pakistan. Like Hamas and Hezbollah they will keep morphing.

But I'll still enjoy the moment. :cool:

[Armistead]

The news just said Osama was buried at sea, not sure why and I have my doubts... Seems a lil early.

If so, guess fish gotta eat same as worms...:D Either way, fish shiat is as good as worm shiat...

[Feuer Frei!]

It was the strategic thinking and the organisational skills of his Egyptian right hand man, Ayman al-Zawahri, that kept the terror network together after the United States invaded Afghanistan in 2001 and pushed al-Qaeda out.With bin Laden killed, al-Zawahri becomes the top candidate for the world's top terror job.
It's too early to tell how exactly al-Qaeda would change with its founder and supreme mentor gone, but the group under al-Zawahri would likely be further radicalised, unleashing a new wave of attacks to avenge bin Laden's killing by US troops in Pakistan on Monday to send a message that it's business as usual.
Al-Zawahri's extremist views and his readiness to use deadly violence are beyond doubt.
In a 2001 treatise, Knights Under the Prophet's Banner, he set down the long term strategy for the jihadi movement - to inflict "as many casualties as possible" on the Americans, while trying to establish control in a nation as a base "to launch the battle to restore the holy caliphate" of Islamic rule across the Muslim world.
Unlike bin Laden who found his Jihadist calling as an adult, al-Zawahri's activism began when he was in his mid teens, establishing his first secret cell of high school students to oppose the Egyptian government of then President Anwar Sadat he viewed as infidel for not following the rule of God.
The doors of jihad opened for him when, as a young doctor, a visitor came to him with an offer to travel to Afghanistan to treat Islamic fighters battling Soviet forces. His 1980 trip to the Afghan war zone - only a few months long but the first of many - opened his eyes to a whole new world of possibilities.
What he saw there, he was to write 20 years later, was "the training course preparing Muslim mujahideen youth to launch their upcoming battle with the great power that would rule the world: America."
The bond between al-Zawahri and bin Laden began in the late 1980s, when al-Zawahri reportedly treated the Saudi millionaire-turned-jihadist in the caves of Afghanistan as Soviet bombardment shook the mountains around them. The friendship laid the foundation for the al-Qaeda terror network, which carried out the September 11, 2001 suicide airplane hijackings that sparked the US invasion of Afghanistan later that year.
The attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon made bin Laden Enemy No. 1 to the US. But he likely could never have carried it out without al-Zawahri. Bin Laden provided al-Qaeda with the charisma and money, but al-Zawahri brought the ideological fire, tactics and organisational skills needed to forge disparate militants into a network of cells in countries around the world.
"Al-Zawahri was always bin Laden's mentor, bin Laden always looked up to him," says terrorism expert Bruce Hoffman of Georgetown University.
While bin Laden came from a privileged background in a prominent Saudi family of Yemeni descent, al-Zawahri had the experience of a revolutionary in the trenches.
"He spent time in an Egyptian prison, he was tortured. He was a jihadi from the time he was a teenager, he has been fighting his whole life and that has shaped his world view," Hoffman says.
Perhaps even more significant than al-Zawahri's role before the 9/11 attacks was his task afterward, when the 2001 US invasion of Afghanistan demolished al-Qaeda's safe haven and scattered, killed and captured its fighters and leaders. The blow was personal as well - al-Zawahri's wife and at least two of their six children were killed in a US air strike in the southern Afghan city of Kandahar.


Sounds like life will go on for these characters.

[Gerald]

The news just said Osama was buried at sea, not sure why and I have my doubts... Seems a lil early.

If so, guess fish gotta eat same as worms...:D Either way, fish shiat is as good as worm shiat... Pisces is certainly blessed by the Al-Qaeda or any other religious sect pro ... It's best to strike while the iron is hot..

[Biggles]

Best conspiracy theory of the day goes to one bloke who reckoned that it was the CIA who hacked into the Playstation network to get Bin Laden's address, as he was a big player of Call of Duty: Black Ops!:doh:


:haha::haha::haha::har::har::har:

Best post of the day!

[Feuer Frei!]

So what about the conspiracy theories?
Are we to absolutely, undeniably believe the American Government on this?
Irrefutable proof? Facial recognition was done. An autopsy was conducted. Allegedly.
The body buried at sea. Very quickly. There seems to be some "pictures or it didn't happen" going on.
There are also reports that the picture officially posted is a fake.
So then...
are we to believe what we are told? Just putting it out there.
I for one don't believe everything i read.

[Armistead]

It was the strategic thinking and the organisational skills of his Egyptian right hand man, Ayman al-Zawahri, that kept the terror network together after the United States invaded Afghanistan in 2001 and pushed al-Qaeda out.With bin Laden killed, al-Zawahri becomes the top candidate for the world's top terror job.
It's too early to tell how exactly al-Qaeda would change with its founder and supreme mentor gone, but the group under al-Zawahri would likely be further radicalised, unleashing a new wave of attacks to avenge bin Laden's killing by US troops in Pakistan on Monday to send a message that it's business as usual.
Al-Zawahri's extremist views and his readiness to use deadly violence are beyond doubt.
In a 2001 treatise, Knights Under the Prophet's Banner, he set down the long term strategy for the jihadi movement - to inflict "as many casualties as possible" on the Americans, while trying to establish control in a nation as a base "to launch the battle to restore the holy caliphate" of Islamic rule across the Muslim world.
Unlike bin Laden who found his Jihadist calling as an adult, al-Zawahri's activism began when he was in his mid teens, establishing his first secret cell of high school students to oppose the Egyptian government of then President Anwar Sadat he viewed as infidel for not following the rule of God.
The doors of jihad opened for him when, as a young doctor, a visitor came to him with an offer to travel to Afghanistan to treat Islamic fighters battling Soviet forces. His 1980 trip to the Afghan war zone - only a few months long but the first of many - opened his eyes to a whole new world of possibilities.
What he saw there, he was to write 20 years later, was "the training course preparing Muslim mujahideen youth to launch their upcoming battle with the great power that would rule the world: America."
The bond between al-Zawahri and bin Laden began in the late 1980s, when al-Zawahri reportedly treated the Saudi millionaire-turned-jihadist in the caves of Afghanistan as Soviet bombardment shook the mountains around them. The friendship laid the foundation for the al-Qaeda terror network, which carried out the September 11, 2001 suicide airplane hijackings that sparked the US invasion of Afghanistan later that year.
The attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon made bin Laden Enemy No. 1 to the US. But he likely could never have carried it out without al-Zawahri. Bin Laden provided al-Qaeda with the charisma and money, but al-Zawahri brought the ideological fire, tactics and organisational skills needed to forge disparate militants into a network of cells in countries around the world.
"Al-Zawahri was always bin Laden's mentor, bin Laden always looked up to him," says terrorism expert Bruce Hoffman of Georgetown University.
While bin Laden came from a privileged background in a prominent Saudi family of Yemeni descent, al-Zawahri had the experience of a revolutionary in the trenches.
"He spent time in an Egyptian prison, he was tortured. He was a jihadi from the time he was a teenager, he has been fighting his whole life and that has shaped his world view," Hoffman says.
Perhaps even more significant than al-Zawahri's role before the 9/11 attacks was his task afterward, when the 2001 US invasion of Afghanistan demolished al-Qaeda's safe haven and scattered, killed and captured its fighters and leaders. The blow was personal as well - al-Zawahri's wife and at least two of their six children were killed in a US air strike in the southern Afghan city of Kandahar.


Sounds like life will go on for these characters.

Sure it will, but we still kill them. My guess is they could pull of some bad stuff anytime they wanted, but timing is everything. With all the pressure on now, they're just sitting on the sidelines rebuilding and planning. If they go ahead and do some terror acts, it changes nothing.

We should be hunting these murderers like a southern hound, kill them anywhere and those that support them, with or without notice. I'm to the point with them let's get Old Testament on them, kill the men, women breeders and kids, make the land barren, it's just an indoctrinated generational cycle of terror, wipe it from the earth. Make it so bad for those that partake in it that they and their supporters would be afraid to even think it.

This is what we should do, not all these other stupid wars against those that didn't attack us.

I'm proud of Obama, he went and got him in another country and didn't ask their permission, wait for legal approval, etc.. Sad Clinton had him in the crosshairs and couldn't pull the trigger, Bush, too busy with starting another war...

Obama did what Bush could not.....He's a shoe in next election..

[Armistead]

So what about the conspiracy theories?
Are we to absolutely, undeniably believe the American Government on this?
Irrefutable proof? Facial recognition was done. An autopsy was conducted. Allegedly.
The body buried at sea. Very quickly. There seems to be some "pictures or it didn't happen" going on.
There are also reports that the picture officially posted is a fake.
So then...
are we to believe what we are told? Just putting it out there.
I for one don't believe everything i read.

You really think he is buried at sea, that's the only conspiracy theory.
He's being poked on in some lab as we speak..Probably hide him in area 51 with his twin brother.

[Rockstar]

The news just said Osama was buried at sea, not sure why and I have my doubts... Seems a lil early.

If so, guess fish gotta eat same as worms...:D Either way, fish shiat is as good as worm shiat...


I can think of two reasons. 1st people of his religion believe they should be returned to the earth when they die. Secondly nobody can dig him up.

Ding dong the witch is dead

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Without a doubt, there will be more brainwashed scum wanting to step into Bin Ladin's shoes, and more attacks by terrorists in days to come...

... and today's events will, without a doubt be debated until we all draw our last breath...

... and the tree of freedom will no doubt be further nourished with the blood of brave soldiers and citizens...

HOWEVER, Bin Ladin did not escape. Today, good prevailed over evil.

To all men and women who serve the cause of freedom, and their communities, THANK YOU!

TODAY... IS A GOOD DAY!!!:rock::rock::rock:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

There is no good and evil, if only things were that simple...

I'm not going to be sucked into a debate on morality with an anarchist.

Executing Bin Laden was the right thing to do... and even that doesn't BEGIN to make up for what he did.

You know right from wrong.

[mookiemookie]

http://i.imgur.com/1krKD.png

Glad his reign is over.

[Armistead]

There is no good and evil, if only things were that simple...

It's not a matter of good and evil, we have knowledge. Knowledge in itself isn't good or evil, but what we choose to do with it certainly can make it good or evil.

[Feuer Frei!]

So then, a tribute song will shortly be released by Elton John, called:
"Sandals in the bin"

[Armistead]

On sell today.
Place your orders at.

www. navyseals/fishfood.bin


http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/015905060295C.jpg

[Gerald]

I'm not an anarchist, i'm atheist. Yes it was right thing to do, but in the end it will not accomplish anything. Cycle of revenge will continue on and on :up:

What he did? killed few thousand americans, and how many civilians have died in iraq etc... because of american army? TENS OF THOUSANDS! and who remembers them? There is no good and evil just kill, kill, kill!! Over and over again. Wait,hold on now,Bin Laden was and will be an icon for all the terrorist groups that are, or call it the "cells" that are built up and out attacks around the world.Regarding what happened with Iraq, one can not blame neither the U.S. Army over what went on, or going on about it to be rhetorical really, now it's been well documented since long back on the withstand stress the country has suffered and which includes the days before Saddams time,and it is not about killing, in this case it was really a tactical move that has advantages and disadvantages like everything when it comes to what to do, and now they have succeeded in the primary, which is important, but the mix not enter the second piece of this, it has its own ongoing story, certainly not too distant but at the moment is not relevant in this context, let us distinguish it .. and see a world without B laden, and future triumphs of that is important.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

I'm sure you guys get my meaning.

Killing in the name of religion... ANY RELIGION... (and/or the idea of an athiest killing an individual because he or she chooses a religion) is in my opinion evil. To me the definitions of "crime" and "evil" are basically interchangeable.

What OBL did was wrong, was a crime, and and an act of the the darkest, most heinous evil.

However you want to cut it, I think most of us are on the same page. Knowing the difference between right and wrong isn't enough by itself.

Yes the killing will continue without an end in sight, because the concept of not opposing crimes (or evil acts... however you choose to label them) suggests anarchy as a solution.

The only solution (in my humble opinion) is to give up on the idea that hate will disolve within our lifetimes... and to recognize that freedom will never be free.

Eternal vigilance is a constant price that free peoples everywhere must pay to guard against crimes... and evil. At times, to ensure that consequences remain, we must go into harm's way to 'discourage' evil and criminal acts.

...and for anyone who doesn't believe that evil exists, you should sign up for a ride-out or two with your local emergency services. Maybe that blindfold will finally fall off.

[mookiemookie]

As a godless whiny liberal pansy, even I will admit that this whole idea that "oh every death is a tragedy, can't we all just get along" is crap.

There are some deaths that are very well deserved and make the world a better place. OBL was one of those.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

I'm sure you guys get my meaning.

Killing in the name of religion... ANY RELIGION... (and/or the idea of an athiest killing an individual because he or she chooses a religion) is in my opinion evil. To me the definitions of "crime" and "evil" are basically interchangeable.

What OBL did was wrong, was a crime, and and an act of the the darkest, most heinous evil.

However you want to cut it, I think most of us are on the same page. Knowing the difference between right and wrong isn't enough by itself.

Yes the killing will continue without an end in sight, because the concept of not opposing crimes (or evil acts... however you choose to label them) suggests anarchy as a solution.

The only solution (in my humble opinion) is to give up on the idea that hate will disolve within our lifetimes... and to recognize that freedom will never be free.

Eternal vigilance is a constant price that free peoples everywhere must pay to guard against crimes... and evil. At times, to ensure that consequences remain, we must go into harm's way to 'discourage' evil and criminal acts.

...and for anyone who doesn't believe that evil exists, you should sign up for a ride-out or two with your local emergency services. Maybe that blindfold will finally fall off.

[Pisces]

The news just said Osama was buried at sea, not sure why and I have my doubts... Seems a lil early.

If so, guess fish gotta eat same as worms...:D Either way, fish shiat is as good as worm shiat...

Pisces is certainly blessed by the Al-Qaeda or any other religious sect pro ... It's best to strike while the iron is hot..I couldn't care less to be honest. :hmph:

Some part of me feels he should have been on trial for what he did.

Another part of me is sad he won't get the chance to enjoy the 'room service' at Guantanamo Bay.

But both parts of me don't want to see him becomming a martyr because of it.

So for once, both of these fishes agree and are happy and with the Status Quo.

Salute to the forces involved! :salute:

[AVGWarhawk]

The news just said Osama was buried at sea, not sure why and I have my doubts... Seems a lil early.

If so, guess fish gotta eat same as worms...:D Either way, fish shiat is as good as worm shiat...


Kind of hard to visit a grave of a martyr when buried at sea.

[AVGWarhawk]

Some part of me feels he should have been on trial for what he did.



He was. The verdict was quick as I hear.

[Skybird]

I wonder about one thing. What credible authority that has no declared self-interest in the issue, has confirmed the identity of the dead body that was sunk at sea? Was it really Bin Laden who got killed in the raid? On the picture, nobody of us here would be able to identify, to recognise him - I did not. To me, that dead face is just the face of any dead man. Also, there are several doubles of Bin Laden - this we know for sure.

Don'T want to spread any conspiracy theories here - but I must conclude that the US has failed in delivering real evidence beyond doubt for Bin Laden'S killing so far. Just a claim, and that kind of picture on which you cannot clearly recoignise him, is not good enough. That they buried him at sea so fast, is suspicious. That they did it because they respected their worst enemie'S ideological convictions, is unreliable, considering the way Saddam was paraded and Guantanamo is being run.

A man got shot at it is claimed that it was Bin Laden. That is the status of knowledge so far. Sorry to somewhat spoil the party.

It is a welcomed success story for crisis-plagued Obama. Which may be coincidence. Or a suspiciuous detail in iself, too.

Henryk Broder has released a satire about it, saying much the same like I just did. But he meant it as a joke. I do not. I am indeed uncertain on whether or not to believe the story told so far.

No fight intended. If someopne has a link to undoubtable evidence, I would welcome it and would indeed appreciate to be shown wrong in my uncertainty. For I certainly do not hope that Bin Laden ever escapes, forever.

[Randomizer]

Congrats to the US Armed Forces, if nothing else it demonstrates that these crimnals can be caught and killed, eventually. No doubt others are waiting in the wings to replace OBL but perhaps they will have a little less trust in their followers and be a little more paranoid. I guess his god's protection couldn't stop a bullet after all.

I had thought him already dead, a made-to-order boogie man like the novel nineteen eighty-four's Emanual Goldstein or Keyser Soze from The Usual Suspects. Glad to be mistaken and that he's now shark bait.

Too bad that the partisan politics in the USA will probably sully the moment, already the anti Obama lobby is wieghing in to deny the Commander and Chief any credit although you know they would have been lined up to pile on the blame should anything have gone wrong. The hipocracy of the extremists on both ends of the political spectrum will in all likelyhood try and cast a shadow on this small military but huge morale success.

Wonder if Donald Trump will demand publication of the death certificate?

[AVGWarhawk]

I wonder about one thing. What credible authority that has no declared self-interest in the issue, has confirmed the identity of the dead body that was sunk at sea? Was it really Bin Laden who got killed in the raid? On the picture, nobody of us here would be able to identify, to recognise him - I did not. To me, that dead face is just the face of any dead man. Also, there are several doubles of Bin Laden - this we know for sure.




To what end and or use would it be to make such a story? We were always told if OBL was killed there would be consequences. I don't think we just wanted to 'try it out and see.':hmmm:

I understand the DNA was tested.

[Armistead]

I'm sure you guys get my meaning.

Killing in the name of religion... ANY RELIGION... (and/or the idea of an athiest killing an individual because he or she chooses a religion) is in my opinion evil. To me the definitions of "crime" and "evil" are basically interchangeable.

What OBL did was wrong, was a crime, and and an act of the the darkest, most heinous evil.

However you want to cut it, I think most of us are on the same page. Knowing the difference between right and wrong isn't enough by itself.

Yes the killing will continue without an end in sight, because the concept of not opposing crimes (or evil acts... however you choose to label them) suggests anarchy as a solution.

The only solution (in my humble opinion) is to give up on the idea that hate will disolve within our lifetimes... and to recognize that freedom will never be free.

Eternal vigilance is a constant price that free peoples everywhere must pay to guard against crimes... and evil. At times, to ensure that consequences remain, we must go into harm's way to 'discourage' evil and criminal acts.

...and for anyone who doesn't believe that evil exists, you should sign up for a ride-out or two with your local emergency services. Maybe that blindfold will finally fall off.

I agree, children are taught right from wrong. Doing wrong is rather pure for Osama, he's murdered just as many muslims. It was be rather pointless to say, "Osama shot for doing wrong" be the same as saying it was wrong of Hitler for killing 6 million Jews.

Most cultures say good or evil and right or wrong. They portray different meanings. Wrong implies a mistake was made, evil implies brutality.

Osama wasn't just wrong, he was evil.

[Skybird]

To what end and or use would it be to make such a story?
To porvoke Al Quaeda to give away hints by bringing a new video snippet. To give Obama a success story short before the 9/11 memorial this year. To distract5 from the fact how helpless the US is meeting the turmoil in Arab countries currently. To distract from the financial crisis and debt burden, the bad numbers from the employement market. To provoke any step by Al Quaeda that could be exploited or used in the propaganda war.

I hope the genetic test has been made not by the US military, but an independant source. Else it will be put into question in the Arab world, where they will prefer to show the photo of the dead face and sayiong "This man? It could be just anybody! How do you know this was OBL?"

If there was such genetic test, the uS would be well advised to publish it and make it as transparent and well-documented as possible. Else they will continue to fight against OBL - inside people'S head for whom he is still alive.

[joegrundman]

name fail, or is this wishful thinking by the daily telegraph?

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/315/oopsu.png

[tater]

They should have dumped him in the ATO, well after 24 hours had passed. This "muslim burial" crap is just that, crap. All the rhetoric from both Bush and Obama revolves around the nonsensical notion of "hijacked" Islam. If OBL was not a "real" muslim, but a "hijacker" no one should have expected a proper burial. They should have made a point of waiting over 24 hours, then unceremoniously dumped him at sea mixed with the other trash.

[Onkel Neal]

Without a doubt, there will be more brainwashed scum wanting to step into Bin Ladin's shoes, and more attacks by terrorists in days to come...

... and today's events will, without a doubt be debated until we all draw our last breath...

... and the tree of freedom will no doubt be further nourished with the blood of brave soldiers and citizens...

HOWEVER, Bin Ladin did not escape. Today, good prevailed over evil.

To all men and women who serve the cause of freedom, and their communities, THANK YOU!

TODAY... IS A GOOD DAY!!!:rock::rock::rock:

Well said, Todd. Well said.

And don't get sucked into a debate with some sour ass fools* who see so many shades of grey they're virtually blind to reality. :shucks:


*Not pointed at anyone in particular.

[mr chris]

Top target down.
Now lets be relentless on working are way down the hit list.

Hats off to the forces on the raid on a job well done.:salute:

[Gerald]

I couldn't care less to be honest. :hmph:

Some part of me feels he should have been on trial for what he did.

Another part of me is sad he won't get the chance to enjoy the 'room service' at Guantanamo Bay.

But both parts of me don't want to see him becomming a martyr because of it.

So for once, both of these fishes agree and are happy and with the Status Quo.

Salute to the forces involved! :salute: "Another part of me is sad he won't get the chance to enjoy the 'room service' at Guantanamo Bay" there had been a good idea.My previous post about the fish was a "joke" which I still think you understand, :yep:

[tater]

Yeah, the message is that we don't ever stop. You will be hunted as long as it takes to kill you. Next in line steps up... he's next.

They should put all their heads on spikes (near the low tide mark if it's the Navy again ;) )

[MH]

To porvoke Al Quaeda to give away hints by bringing a new video snippet. To give Obama a success story short before the 9/11 memorial this year. To distract5 from the fact how helpless the US is meeting the turmoil in Arab countries currently. To distract from the financial crisis and debt burden, the bad numbers from the employement market. To provoke any step by Al Quaeda that could be exploited or used in the propaganda war.

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So you believe that what ever is done in WH will aways stay in the house.
Regardless how many people where involved?

US government probably can and will realize confirmation but i don't think it will stop anyone from doubting the prof if they want so.
US is not Stalinist country that you can come up with such a bright idea and then have all involved shot.
I'm not saying that every thing is always spotless clean.

Well done US.
I hope the ****er died slowly and in pain.

[Catfish]

It is strange though, that a terrorist movement gives itself the name "database" :hmmm:


Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.
Wayne Madsen Report

"I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .
"Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students' punishment.
"For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: 'You'll be noted in 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' which meant 'You'll be logged in the information database.' Meaning 'You will receive a warning . . .' If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Meaning 'the decision database.' It meant 'you will be punished.' For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in 'Al Qaida.'
"In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs.
"It was decided to use a part of the system's memory to host the Islamic Conference's database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network.
"[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, 'Q eidat il-Maaloomaat' and 'Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.' Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic 'Q eidat ilmu'ti'aat' which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for "base." The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called 'q eidat 'riyadh al 'askariya.' Q eida means "a base" and "Al Qaida" means "the base."
"In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference's secretariat.
"In the early 1990s, I was a military intelligence officer in the Headquarters of the French Rapid Action Force. Because of my skills in Arabic my job was also to translate a lot of faxes and letters seized or intercepted by our intelligence services . . . We often got intercepted material sent by Islamic networks operating from the UK or from Belgium.
"These documents contained directions sent to Islamic armed groups in Algeria or in France. The messages quoted the sources of statements to be exploited in the redaction of the tracts or leaflets, or to be introduced in video or tapes to be sent to the media. The most commonly quoted sources were the United Nations, the non-aligned countries, the UNHCR and . . . Al Qaida.
"Al Qaida remained the data base of the Islamic Conference. Not all member countries of the Islamic Conference are 'rogue states' and many Islamic groups could pick up information from the databases. It was but natural for Osama Bin Laden to be connected to this network. He is a member of an important family in the banking and business world.
"Because of the presence of 'rogue states,' it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the 'rogue states' used to fight. And the 'rogue states' included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages.
Meet "Al Qaeda"
"Al Qaida was neither a terrorist group nor Osama bin Laden's personal property . . . The terrorist actions in Turkey in 2003 were carried out by Turks and the motives were local and not international, unified, or joint. These crimes put the Turkish government in a difficult position vis-a-vis the British and the Israelis. But the attacks certainly intended to 'punish' Prime Minister Erdogan for being a 'toot tepid' Islamic politician.
" . . . In the Third World the general opinion is that the countries using weapons of mass destruction for economic purposes in the service of imperialism are in fact 'rogue states," specially the US and other NATO countries.
" Some Islamic economic lobbies are conducting a war against the 'liberal" economic lobbies. They use local terrorist groups claiming to act on behalf of Al Qaida. On the other hand, national armies invade independent countries under the aegis of the UN Security Council and carry out pre-emptive wars. And the real sponsors of these wars are not governments but the lobbies concealed behind them.
"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."
In yet another example of what happens to those who challenge the system, in December 2001, Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel was convicted by a secret French military court of passing classified documents that identified potential NATO bombing targets in Serbia to a Serbian agent during the Kosovo war in 1998. Bunel's case was transferred from a civilian court to keep the details of the case classified. Bunel's character witnesses and psychologists notwithstanding, the system "got him" for telling the truth about Al Qaeda and who has actually been behind the terrorist attacks commonly blamed on that group. It is noteworthy that that Yugoslav government, the government with whom Bunel was asserted by the French government to have shared information, claimed that Albanian and Bosnian guerrillas in the Balkans were being backed by elements of "Al Qaeda." We now know that these guerrillas were being backed by money provided by the Bosnian Defense Fund, an entity established as a special fund at Bush-influenced Riggs Bank and directed by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.
French officer Maj. Pierre-Henri Bunel

[Skybird]

CNN, the LA Times and Der Spiegel report the photos of the dead Bin Laden are forged and infact date back to the years 1998 and 2009. People inside the Pentagon should have indicated that real photos of the dead body exist, but have not been published so far.

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,760104,00.html

[tater]

Hamas (aka the ruling party of "Palestine") condemns the killing of UBL.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/hamas-condemns-killing-holy-warrior-bin-laden-110039788.html

[MaddogK]

Pretty comical that OBL been dead for a week, but the white house decided to announce it just as Trump was about to fire someone on his show.

:har:

[AVGWarhawk]

To porvoke Al Quaeda to give away hints by bringing a new video snippet.

Really? Let's put peoples lives on the line to get a snippet? :timeout:

[tater]

Pretty comical that OBL been dead for a week, but the white house decided to announce it just as Trump was about to fire someone on his show.

:har:

Huh? It was this weekend. The raid was ~1am May 1 local time.

[Gerald]

CNN, the LA Times and Der Spiegel report the photos of the dead Bin Laden are forged and infact date back to the years 1998 and 2009. People inside the Pentagon should have indicated that real photos of the dead body exist, but have not been published so far.

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0,1518,760104,00.html This type of damage that can see through them any "self-manipulating" images, clearly show a direct blast effect as well can each of the older character, and a indication of a strong external force

[Drebbel]

Congralutations to all ! ! ! !

but especially to Navy Seal Team Six !


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2287968/Forums/SubSim/NST6.jpg
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http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=140106994187
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[Armistead]

Pretty comical that OBL been dead for a week, but the white house decided to announce it just as Trump was about to fire someone on his show.

:har:

I keep hearing he's been dead for a week and others killed yesterday, which is it?

[flatsixes]

Congralutations to all ! ! ! !

but especially to Navy Seal Team Six !


http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2287968/Forums/SubSim/NST6.jpg

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=140106994187

There is no Team 6.
But if there were, they'd never have to buy another beer in Virginia.

[Gerald]

I could "guess" that he had been dead for months :hmmm:

[tater]

A neighbor of the compound tweeted about the noise from the raid. There is video that night of a fire at the compound from paki TV.

He was killed very early Sunday morning. Not a week ago.

[Jimbuna]

Apparently, Bin Laden had a 25 million dollar price tag on his head.

What kind of ridiculous, designer turban was he wearing?!

[mookiemookie]

I keep hearing he's been dead for a week and others killed yesterday, which is it?

Yesterday. This guy inadvertently live tweeted the whole thing:

http://i.imgur.com/3U5wc.png

link: http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual

[Kaye T. Bai]

Kind of fitting that the U.S.N. SEALs got the highest honor of dispatching of Osama bin Laden. I'm sure the friends and families of the sailors killed on board the U.S.S. Cole (DDG-67) are happy. :yeah:

[tater]

The op was in place to kill him from what I have read. Glad they decided to do that instead of a trial (also glad US troops were not placed at even greater risk by asking them to grab him up instead of a pure assault (and great that none of our guys was killed. WTFG.). Still, it makes the whining about trials for detainees pretty absurd when summary execution is on the plate for others.

Tough call though since some intel for this op came from detainee interrogations, so I guess taking prisoners is a good thing.

[MaddogK]

I keep hearing he's been dead for a week and others killed yesterday, which is it?

I've read a week, DNA testing and confirmation, and already buried at sea.

Gotta be a record if this only happened Sunday morning. We got Osamas son in the raid as well.

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222054_1338654882401_1712033351_580498_1144273_n.j pg

[Kaye T. Bai]

The op was in place to kill him from what I have read. Glad they decided to do that instead of a trial (also glad US troops were not placed at even greater risk by asking them to grab him up instead of a pure assault (and great that none of our guys was killed. WTFG.). Still, it makes the whining about trials for detainees pretty absurd when summary execution is on the plate for others. Tough call though since some intel for this op came from detainee interrogations, so I guess taking prisoners is a good thing.

To be clear, the operation's intent was never to capture him. The operation's focus has always been on killing him.

It sure saves all the hassle of trying him in a military or civilian court.

[Penguin]

What would the US gain to fake the death, if it would be so easy to disprove?
If the death was only staged, then Osama will surely send a new message to his followers... Or, my guess, many freeloaders will announce: "I'm Osama, and my wife is, too" :D


Hamas (aka the ruling party of "Palestine") condemns the killing of UBL.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/hamas-condemns-killing-holy-warrior-bin-laden-110039788.html

This was expectable...:nope:
To be balanced, the Palestinian Authorities of the West Bank approved the killing:

"Getting rid of Bin Laden is good for the cause of peace worldwide but what counts is to overcome the discourse and the methods -- the violent methods -- that were created and encouraged by Bin Laden and others in the world," PA spokesman Ghassan Khatib said.
Source: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/hamas-slams-killing-of-holy-warrior-osama-bin-laden-1.359416


Yesterday. This guy inadvertently live tweeted the whole thing:

link: http://twitter.com/#!/ReallyVirtual (http://twitter.com/#%21/ReallyVirtual)

Pretty funny guy:

Osama Bin Laden killed in Abbottabad, Pakistan.: ISI has confirmed it << Uh oh, there goes the neighborhood :-/
:D

I need to sleep, but Osama had to pick this day to die :-/
the last victim of him....;)

[tater]

I've read a week, DNA testing and confirmation, and already buried at sea.

Gotta be a record if this only happened Sunday morning.

They buried him within 24 hours to prevent muslims being butt-hurt.

They should have waited over 24 hours on purpose. AQ should know that they'll never get a proper burial, not that we'll bend over backwards to comply with islamic law. That part was a travesty, IMO. They didn't deserve proper burial (no one in that compound is innocent).

[Kaye T. Bai]

A fitting track dedicated to the late OBL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw-m4jEY-Ns

They buried him within 24 hours to prevent muslims being butt-hurt. They should have waited over 24 hours on purpose. AQ should know that they'll never get a proper burial, not that we'll bend over backwards to comply with islamic law. That part was a travesty, IMO. They didn't deserve proper burial (no one in that compound is innocent).

Strange thing is, if I recall correctly, Islam doesn't look too highly on burial at sea or cremation. Islamic law prefers burial on land from what I've heard.

[tater]

Strange thing is, if I recall correctly, Islam doesn't look too highly on burial at sea or cremation. Islamic law prefers burial on land.

Yeah. Apparently it's OK< but only if the person dies at sea and cannot be buried on land. So I'm glad it offends them. Hopefully the offense becomes widespread among terrorist sympathizers.

[AVGWarhawk]

A fitting track dedicated to the late OBL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw-m4jEY-Ns



Strange thing is, if I recall correctly, Islam doesn't look too highly on burial at sea or cremation. Islamic law prefers burial on land from what I've heard.

Great!!! Icing on the cake! :yeah:

[Kaye T. Bai]

Yeah. Apparently it's OK< but only if the person dies at sea and cannot be buried on land. So I'm glad it offends them. Hopefully the offense becomes widespread among terrorist sympathizers.

They should've cremated him and scattered his ashes over the ocean, but that's just me. Double the pleasure! :salute:

[Takeda Shingen]

TODAY... IS A GOOD DAY!!!:rock::rock::rock:

Quoted for truth. Trolls be damned.

[MaddogK]

LOL, this is gonna hurt:
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90851/7366885.html

I wonder who'se gonna get hit first, the Paki's or London.

[Kaye T. Bai]

TODAY IS A GOOD DAY!!!

Damn right; it is a good day. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWfbGGZE07M) :cool:

[Armistead]

Yeah. Apparently it's OK< but only if the person dies at sea and cannot be buried on land. So I'm glad it offends them. Hopefully the offense becomes widespread among terrorist sympathizers.


Hope they spread some shark food out before they threw him over, facing south. Should've strung him at at the trade center site for viewing.

[TLAM Strike]

Kind of fitting that the U.S.N. SEALs got the highest honor of dispatching of Osama bin Laden. I'm sure the friends and families of the sailors killed on board the U.S.S. Cole (DDG-67) are happy. :yeah:

No to mention that is was the Naval Command Center at the Pentagon that was hit on 9/11. :yep:

[Armistead]

The op was in place to kill him from what I have read. Glad they decided to do that instead of a trial (also glad US troops were not placed at even greater risk by asking them to grab him up instead of a pure assault (and great that none of our guys was killed. WTFG.). Still, it makes the whining about trials for detainees pretty absurd when summary execution is on the plate for others.

Tough call though since some intel for this op came from detainee interrogations, so I guess taking prisoners is a good thing.

Oh tater, even us that think detainees should have due process, we all know Laden is evil and guilty and enjoy the news of his death. It's when you keep unknowns without a trial it's an issue.

I would've had no problem keeping him in a prision for viewing if we could've gotten him, been good for the world to see. Course it would offend me that he would get better healthcare than millions of americans, so glad he's dead.:D

[Gerald]

i doubt al qaida was involved on this 911 secret secvire from many country like sweeden japan gemany and more think it was an inside job from american but this is another debate..also has someone else said ben laden become a martyr and al quaida has 10 yeares to prepare vengence of hes death . we can expect violence in the enxt month "my 2 cent" In my opinion there was no inside job, as I can in good conscience say .... but of course much violence is there but not "just" of this particular event

[tater]

Oh tater, even us that think detainees should have due process, we all know Laden is evil and guilty and enjoy the news of his death. It's when you keep unknowns without a trial it's an issue.

I would've had no problem keeping him in a prision for viewing if we could've gotten him, been good for the world to see. Course it would offend me that he would get better healthcare than millions of americans, so glad he's dead.:D

KSM was not "unknown." Nor are many of the "high value' detainees, at least no to the intel community.

Due process exists, or it doesn't. You can't say "well of course THIS guy doesn't deserve due process, after all we all know HE is guilty." Some CIA guy, or local commander can just as well "know for sure" that the guy they grabbed up is guilty, too. You cannot have an arbitrary standard.

I don't think any of them deserve due process as long as they violate the rules of war, myself. I think such rules, and the GC only really work under conditions of reciprocity.

Kill all of them.

[Ducimus]

I NEVER thought i'd seen the day. Although I don't think he deserved any burial at sea in "islamic tradition" though i understand why they're saying that. (To not piss anyone off needlessly). If i had my way, i'd toss his rotting carcass face down into a ditch, piss on it, toss in a bunch of pig entrails, throw some lime over it, and non ceremoniously fill it in with a backhoe, leaving no headstone, gravestone, or other marker. Then i'd televise it on national TV, with the bold headline, "This is what happens when you F _ _ _ with us."

(EDIT: Acutally, not that ive spent more time dwelling on it, id behead him, then toss his rotting carcass into a ditch front side down, piss on it, toss in a bunch of pig entrails, toss in some lime, non ceremoniously fill it in with a backhoe, then leave his head on a pike as the headstone, with a sign dangeling from his mouth that reads, "This is what happends when you F _ _ _ with the US". )


Yeah, the Islamists won't like this, he'll be a martyr, so what. If someone takes his place, kill him too. I don't subscribe to the creedo "this won't change anything, we can't stop them so let's give up." Screw that. Take the fight to them and crush them.

I do like the idea of Kill all they send until they stop sending. In the big picture, it won't end the Jihadist movement, but one very important thing it does prove, is you can't hide hide forever. We'll eventually get you. (and to that remark, i must admit, originally, i never thought wed get him. How happy i am to have been proved wrong)

[Biggles]

American newspapers shows little sympathy for the man:
http://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/12966398/488/normal/b6ce8ee0e99b9/usama.jpg

Not that he deserves any form of grief...but I am surprised that they aren't a bit more neutral...

[edit]

On second thoughts, I'm not surprised at all :haha:

[Dowly]

:O:

Bin Laden Dead: Video animation of terrorist leader's final moments

http://youtu.be/cw0AXjAaf3g

[Biggles]

:O:

Bin Laden Dead: Video animation of terrorist leader's final moments

http://youtu.be/cw0AXjAaf3g

Well OFCOURSE! Where else would he live than 911 Jihad Street?! :haha::har:

[Dowly]

Well OFCOURSE! Where else would he live than 911 Jihad Street?! :haha::har:

http://www.phon.ucl.ac.uk/home/wells/D_oh.jpg

[flatsixes]

American newspapers shows little sympathy for the man:
http://gfx.aftonbladet-cdn.se/image/12966398/488/normal/b6ce8ee0e99b9/usama.jpg

Not that he deserves any form of grief...but I am surprised that they aren't a bit more neutral...

Yeah, well, "neutral" may be a bit much to ask of the New York Daily News, don't you think? Only 10 years ago that rotten bastard killed 3,000 of its readers.

{Oops! Just saw your edits.}

[Biggles]

Yeah, well, "neutral" may be a bit much to ask of the New York Daily News, don't you think? Only 10 years ago that rotten bastard killed 3,000 of its readers.

True, see edit on above post (which I edited prior to your respone btw) :03:

[Tribesman]

KSM was not "unknown." Nor are many of the "high value' detainees, at least no to the intel community.


You are still avoiding the issue tater:yep:

[Jimbuna]

Dear make a wish foundation,

I have always wanted to swim with dolphins before I pass on.

Regards,

Osama

Dear Osama,

"Knock knock"

*splash*

Regards

US Navy Seals

[AVGWarhawk]

You are still avoiding the issue tater:yep:


I'm sure we will hear some words of wit from Tribesman..... :O:

[MaddogK]

Bin Ladens death photo fake ??
http://www.euronews.net/2011/05/02/dead-bin-laden-photo-is-a-fake/

A photo released on Monday purporting to show Osama bin Laden’s body is now reported to be a fake.
The image was carried by a number of international news agencies and broadcast by news channels around the world. It is thought to have originally been distributed by Pakistani media.
It is said to have been created using an earlier picture of bin Laden and another showing the bloodied face of an unidentified man.
The enhanced photo was reported to have been taken shortly after the al Qaeda’s leader’s body was recovered by US special forces.
It has now been withdrawn from all major media.



:har::har::har:

:wah:

[Biggles]

Oh come on, I've never touched photoshopped in my entire life, and even I could tell that was a fake!

[Dowly]

Guess we now see if the threats of a nuke weapon somewhere in Europe were true. :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Possibly a 'dirty' bomb in a prominent city.

[Armistead]

I NEVER thought i'd seen the day. Although I don't think he deserved any burial at sea in "islamic tradition" though i understand why they're saying that. (To not piss anyone off needlessly). If i had my way, i'd toss his rotting carcass face down into a ditch, piss on it, toss in a bunch of pig entrails, throw some lime over it, and non ceremoniously fill it in with a backhoe, leaving no headstone, gravestone, or other marker. Then i'd televise it on national TV, with the bold headline, "This is what happens when you F _ _ _ with us."

(EDIT: Acutally, not that ive spent more time dwelling on it, id behead him, then toss his rotting carcass into a ditch front side down, piss on it, toss in a bunch of pig entrails, toss in some lime, non ceremoniously fill it in with a backhoe, then leave his head on a pike as the headstone, with a sign dangeling from his mouth that reads, "This is what happends when you F _ _ _ with the US". )




I do like the idea of Kill all they send until they stop sending. In the big picture, it won't end the Jihadist movement, but one very important thing it does prove, is you can't hide hide forever. We'll eventually get you. (and to that remark, i must admit, originally, i never thought wed get him. How happy i am to have been proved wrong)


You left out letting a gay homosexual necrophiliac have his way, chopping off his member so it doesn't go to allah with him

[AVGWarhawk]

Possibly a 'dirty' bomb in a prominent city.


I would go with this line of thought as well. Given to what was done in the past....

[Jimbuna]

I would go with this line of thought as well. Given to what was done in the past....

Something small and quite easily concealed but detonated in a crowded/confined area for maximum effect....the bastids!!

[MaddogK]

Oh come on, I've never touched photoshopped in my entire life, and even I could tell that was a fake!

But it was quickly posted by all the major news services as 'real'. Could just as easily been a birth certificate.
;)

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1654911#post1654911)
Without a doubt, there will be more brainwashed scum wanting to step into Bin Ladin's shoes, and more attacks by terrorists in days to come...

So true few months back I was waiting for my connection at the airport and got into a conversation with a few Army soldiers who where headed home on their R&R from Afghanistan(and they had on fairly faded BDUs) a few of the older soldiers had been stationed in the KMC(German region) in the same time period that I was and we where talking about the bars that we used to visit and about Kosovo which was going on at that time as well as Iraq and Afghanistan.

Some man who said he was from Peru clearly some sort of ultra liberal professor comes over and starts telling us how immoral we where for being a willing part of "The War on Terror" one of the soldiers kindly reminded this Peruvian that under the UCMJ one must follow all lawful orders and no such unlawful orders have ever been given.

The Peruvian professor then warns us that one day the "World Court" will try the US government and all of us accountable.Well he must have been a pretty good reader of body language because after looking at all our faces he got up and left very quickly.What a fool.

[Randomizer]

Does anybody honestly believe that if islamist terrorists had the capability to detonate a nuke in the West, they would be saving it for OBL's death?

I suppose some might see it as necessary to create a new boogie man but killing bin Laden, as satisfactory and righteous as it might have been will have zero impact on global terror. Any near-term nuking is unlikey to be related to the subject of today's headlines.

Terrorists; political, religious or just plain whacko have been out there for centuries and the only successful solutions have been to render them irrelevant. Kill enough of them (even using extra-legal means) and they might eventually decide the cost is not worth their goals and remove the social and economic support that sustains them.

Every successful terror attack has stemmed from a failure of intelligence but so far it seems that this success was due to solid intelligence, patiance and a selected and precise application of firepower. You cannot beat terrorism with Mk82 laser guided bombs but a 5.56mm steel-jacketed bullet to the brain administered at close range in the dead of night can work wonders.

That works until the next fanatical ideology comes along, then you must count your losses and repeat as required.

[Stealhead]

If that is the case then it is better to use that 5.56mm and JDAM than to just allow them to do what they want 100% freely and unchallenged where they can hurt you even worse that is like saying there will always be crime so may as well just get rid of laws and police.

Sorry you post seems to sort of contradict itself.

[Onkel Neal]

Guess we now see if the threats of a nuke weapon somewhere in Europe were true. :hmmm:


Well, you don't think terrorists would be holding back if they had it, do you? Osama alive or dead.

Edit: Randomizer makes my point better than me.

And I think the GWOT is doing a pretty good job of rendering them null and void.

[Dowly]

Well, you don't think terrorists would be holding back if they had it, do you? Osama alive or dead.

That'd be a good point. :yep:

[Gerald]

Threats and terror reaches all corners of the world, regardless of whether Osama now sleeps with fishes

[Stealhead]

I think they are much more likely to attempt several much smaller scale attacks in reaction to Osmas death our troops in Afghanistan will see some serious attacks in the next few weeks from the fanatics.

Long term who knows it is going to have a huge effect on AQ and the like Bin Laden was more or less a living god to them this is the beginning of the end for AQ pretty much I doubt anyone else in their ranks can fill his leadership role they will still be a threat for some time though for sure.

I am sure some highly valuable intel was gathered during the raid so who knows what they will discover while analyzing it.

[Onkel Neal]

True, but I am sure a lot happier that he is sleeping with the fishes. :D

[Dowly]

Long term who knows it is going to have a huge effect on AQ and the like Bin Laden was more or less a living god to them this is the beginning of the end for AQ pretty much I doubt anyone else in their ranks can fill his leadership role they will still be a threat for some time though for sure.

It is my understanding that Osama hadn't been in any kind of leading role in AQ in years. More like a poster-boy.

Loss surely, but don't think it's nearly as big as everyone makes it look like. :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Threats and terror reaches all corners of the world, regardless of whether Osama now sleeps with fishes

True, but the team players are missing their coach and motivator. Perhaps they now realize they will be hunted down relentlessly. Sheds a different light on their endeavours.

[GoldenRivet]

the killing of OBL is not about ridding the world of evil.

its not about causing terror groups to crumble.

its not about putting an end to any and all forms of terrorism.

its simple really...

its about retribution.

we got him, he is dead, finding and capturing or killing him has been the central thesis of 10 years of American history - and world history - and that has been completed, that chapter can now be closed IMHO thats all that matters.

[Ducimus]

Threats and terror reaches all corners of the world, regardless of whether Osama now sleeps with fishes

I don't suppose it's lost on anyone why they shucked his carcass overboard. For one, they can make up any story they want (True or not) about treating it according to muslim tradition. But two, it ends that messy scenario of "what to do with the body?" when on dry land. Anywhere he gets buried is going to be venerated by muslim jihadits. Best to just chuck the animal overboard and be done with it. Not that, that gives the satisfaction that could have been had, if we had buried him the way I originally described. :O:

[seaniam81]

Amazing what Americans can do when the Playstation Network goes down.

:har: That just made my day!
Anyways congrats to the US Armed Forces, for taking down OBL.

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't suppose it's lost on anyone why they shucked his carcass overboard. For one, they can make up any story they want (True or not) about treating it according to muslim tradition. But two, it ends that messy scenario of "what to do with the body?" when on dry land. Anywhere he gets buried is going to be venerated by muslim jihadits. Best to just chuck the animal overboard and be done with it. Not that, that gives the satisfaction that could have been had, if we had buried him the way I originally described. :O:

It makes it a bit difficult to pay homage to a grave that is not there. :03:

[Randomizer]

If that is the case then it is better to use that 5.56mm and JDAM than to just allow them to do what they want 100% freely and unchallenged where they can hurt you even worse that is like saying there will always be crime so may as well just get rid of laws and police.

Sorry you post seems to sort of contradict itself.
No contradiction at all, I'm a fan of the state using extra-legal means to delete the terrorist leadership even if it means crossing international boundries to do so.

The problem with JDAM's and the like is that high explosives when used in quantity can have unfortunate side effects. These are usually political or moral but they can impede the main effort particularly when a (relatively) free press can trumpet for the other side.

There are no military solutions to international terrorism and limited scope for large scale military action in even regional insurrectionist situations.

Terrorists are essentially criminals regardless of their aims and goals. A blend of police style detective investigative procedures coupled with directed firepower delivered up close and personal by highly trained and motivated professionals will win out in the long run over the dedicated fanatic.

Every time a JDAM kills or injures a bystander it provides a poster child for terrorist recruiters. On the other hand, when the terrorist leadership starts to vanish, seemingly off the face of the earth or turn up some morning with a 9mm double-tap to the skull, without fanfare or show trials, over time followers might start to become difficult to find.

[Alex]

@ Dowly : Indeed.
Can't wait to hear about the retaliation way of Osama's troops. Taking in consideration the fact that aircraft crashing into some towers have been no more than the introduction to this war, I don't know what's going to happen next in the united states of America, but I expect Osama's troops to take some pretty drastic measures now.

[Armistead]

I see the Pakistani government has come out with complaints against us., and we increased our budget to them by 3 billion dollars.. Probably what paid for Osama's mansion

[Stealhead]

I dont agree with that the from of weapon ones uses varies on the situation at hand.If you are trying to destroy a large number of Taliban in an area then the JDAM is highly effective and in most cases the civilians are not anywhere near the target.

Other times the bullet to the head is best just depends on the given situation.And you can run a counterinsurgency with military and political means they are both useful if done right.

I recommend you read the book "The Accidental Guerrilla" this book is a case study on how one can use counterinsurgency effectively using multiple facets to counter AQ and jihadists.

[Gerald]

True, but the team players are missing their coach and motivator. Perhaps they now realize they will be hunted down relentlessly. Sheds a different light on their endeavours.Quite right, what you say is relevant, and give clear signals to all the network of so-called terrorist cells, and it is in this mode is extremely important to eliminate all potent "leaders" of global operations, so that they may be individually,that this was not a "one-night" stand operation,so that the knowledge held by them, the battle will always remain.

[AVGWarhawk]

@ Dowly : Indeed.
Can't wait to hear about the retaliation way of Osama's troops. Taking in consideration the fact that aircraft crashing into some towers have been no more than the introduction to this war, I don't know what's going to happen next in the united states of America, but I expect Osama's troops to take some pretty drastic measures now.


Old saying.."Don't count your chicken before they hatch." Honestly, if all these things they could had done would have been done already. I suspect a lot of fist pumping and shooting of AK47 in the air. Basically what we have seen since 9/11. Other than the crackpots who are acting alone.

[August]

I don't suppose it's lost on anyone why they shucked his carcass overboard. For one, they can make up any story they want (True or not) about treating it according to muslim tradition. But two, it ends that messy scenario of "what to do with the body?" when on dry land. Anywhere he gets buried is going to be venerated by muslim jihadits. Best to just chuck the animal overboard and be done with it. Not that, that gives the satisfaction that could have been had, if we had buried him the way I originally described. :O:

I don't doubt that they followed Muslim tradition. Look at the burial ceremony they held for the Soviet crewmen they found in that sub the Glomar Explorer raised back in 1975.

On the other hand good point about not giving the Jihadis a burial site to revere.

[Alex]

Old saying.."Don't count your chicken before they hatch." Honestly, if all these things they could had done would have been done already. I suspect a lot of fist pumping and shooting of AK47 in the air. Basically what we have seen since 9/11. Other than the crackpots who are acting alone.
I don't suspect anything at all, personally. I prefer not to. But, for the sake of the innocence of the united states's population, I honestly hope that's everything you'll have to handle in the future, hand on heart, Sir.

[GoldenRivet]

On the other hand good point about not giving the Jihadis a burial site to revere.

exactly.

every year there would be some pilgrimage to some massive shrine containing his martyred body.

for days on end these people would flock to the site and worship this criminal.

they were right to bury him at sea.

and they should have slaughtered two pigs and covered him in their blood.

those two pigs of course being Rosie O'donnell and Michael Moore

[mookiemookie]

those two pigs of course being Rosie O'donnell and Michael Moore

Classy.

[GoldenRivet]

Classy.

LOL

to quote the great Rilder

Oh Relax we just killed a mass murderer, have some fun.:O:

:yeah:

[TLAM Strike]

I don't doubt that they followed Muslim tradition. Look at the burial ceremony they held for the Soviet crewmen they found in that sub the Glomar Explorer raised back in 1975.

On the other hand good point about not giving the Jihadis a burial site to revere.

Those spooks and sailors aboard the Glomar Explorer no doubt respected those Soviet submariners and fellow servicemen albeit from the other side. I doubt any of the servicemen involved in OBL's burial at sea felt anything like that.

Terrorists are nothing more than common criminal thugs and should be treated as such, they deserve no respect from proper servicemen. I wish they brought him back to stand trial in NY (including an all expense paid stay with Riker's Island genpop) followed by a lifetime in whatever deep dark hole the Federal Prison system has for such people.

Death in battle is far too good for such a man...

[Jimbuna]

Pakistan is one of the poorest countries in the world but at least they have the courtesy to get rid of their bins on bank holiday monday.

[Ducimus]

:har:


http://www.cagle.com/news/OsamabinLadenDead/images/bi.jpg

[Armistead]

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/228025_10150177794536693_748336692_7031176_1296455 _s.jpg

[joea]

Good one Armistead, seen it before would love to have it in a bigger pic though. :haha:

[the_tyrant]

hmm, Osama's death actually negatively effected the stock market
:hmmm:

is it the fear of retaliation?

[tater]

The courier made a cell call and they found him.

They knew his name because a certain Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told us.

[August]

The courier made a cell call and they found him.

They knew his name because a certain Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told us.


Which means, dare I say it, Gitmo produced results.

[Rockstar]

I wonder if operations in Libya will suddenly cease and desist.

[tater]

Which means, dare I say it, Gitmo produced results.

KSM was not ever roughly treated at Gitmo... that was before :)

[Armistead]

KSM was not ever roughly treated at Gitmo... that was before :)


Yea, it was the free dental plan that turned him...

[gimpy117]

all the money wasted on 2 wars, and, all it took was a small party of Spec ops. operators to do it. :nope:

[Armistead]

Good one Armistead, seen it before would love to have it in a bigger pic though. :haha:

Yea, I'm selling Osama flavored bottom feeder fish food cheap. PM me if you want to buy some.

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/015905060295C.jpg

[Armistead]

all the money wasted on 2 wars, and, all it took was a small party of Spec ops. operators to do it. :nope:

Well, Bush dropped the ball in a legal war, so he could start another in Iraq. Facts are showing fairly clear Obama put much more effort into getting Osama, Bush sort of made him a non issue.

Thanks to Obama, at least that one mission is accomplished...

[heartc]

Congratulations, America.



http://webspace.webring.com/people/me/e5200/LetsRoll.jpg



http://radiopatriot.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/001us_navy_seals_insignia111-vi.png


What is really funny though is that today I told a friend of mine - who is an Afghani and damn happy that you got the **** - that in about a week's time from now there will be conspiracy theories rampant, on how you didn't really get him, or how you really got a scapegoat, because OBL himself never really existed, since he was only an invention of the CIA etc, especially since you just dumped him into the sea (WTF???? WHY??).

I was wrong on the timing though. Since already on this very day, today, I ran into 3 people afterwards who told me it was all a farce. One of them is a university student, and another one didn't even get the memo until I told him, yet he instantly concluded it was not for real.

Well, people will believe what they want to, especially if they have an agenda or an irrational hatred within themselves, facts be damned. I guess this is the price you pay for being "the superpower". What to say? I say **** them. You got the bitch, and that is what counts.

Bless you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZV2L0EM08I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecsmREJjhLA
Skip to around 1:30. <Salute>


http://www.pinscentral.com/images/pins/large/flg_germany_usa.gif

[Biggles]

Photo apparently taken during the raid. Obama and his company followed the attack through video-link.
http://www.dn.se/images/2011/05/02/operation6.jpg

[Gerald]

http://youtu.be/wYZkMcCOvlw

[TLAM Strike]

I was wrong on the timing though. Since already on this very day, today, I ran into 3 people afterwards who told me it was all a farce. One of them is a university student, and another one didn't even get the memo until I told him, yet he instantly concluded it was not for real.

I have to be around university students all day and if you want facts or rational discussion do not talk to them.

They are all idiots...

[Biggles]

http://youtu.be/wYZkMcCOvlw

This one is better! :O:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KP91c4V-i0

Also, The Onion finally gave us some news:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/osama-bin-laden-killed-while-sitting-on-toilet-nat,20302/

Osama bin Laden, 54-year-old leader of the international terrorist group al-Qaeda and mastermind of the 9/11 attacks that took nearly 3,000 American lives in 2001, was killed early Monday morning in Pakistan while sitting on the toilet, the U.S. populace took great pleasure in imagining today. “Just thinking about the stupid look on that evil bastard’s face when those Navy SEALs kicked in the bathroom door and started blasting away—it’s so totally priceless,” said Queens, NY resident Rachel Sumner, one of 311 million Americans who reveled in a fictional scenario in which bin Laden met his gruesome and humiliating end while sitting on the commode, humming to himself, and reading a newspaper.

:D

[kiwi_2005]

Bin Laden Dead: Video animation of terrorist leader's final moments

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ATo2NY13c

[Onkel Neal]

There is no Team 6.
But if there were, they'd never have to buy another beer in Virginia.


Maybe not officially, but that's what they are commonly referred to as.
The Naval Special Warfare Development Group -- long known as Seal Team Six -- was formed in 1980;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/secretive-virginia-seals-thrill-community-by-taking-down-bin-laden/2011/05/02/AFltT5bF_story.html

[tater]

I keep seeing press about his luxurious compound, and sometimes "mansion."

The place looked like a dump, and is considerably smaller than my house. A million doesn't get much in some crappy suburb if Islamabad, does it? Seriously, what's the per capita income there, a million should buy a frickin palace, not a 3000ft^2 dump (described in one report as "a sprawling 3000 ft^2 mansion." (the average US home is ~2400 ft^2 for comparison).

I don't start even thinking "mansion" til over 10,000 ft^2.

[darius359au]

I think it was a mansion because there was room for 2 goats instead of one!;)

[Bakkels]

I keep seeing press about his luxurious compound, and sometimes "mansion."

The place looked like a dump, and is considerably smaller than my house. A million doesn't get much in some crappy suburb if Islamabad, does it? Seriously, what's the per capita income there, a million should buy a frickin palace, not a 3000ft^2 dump (described in one report as "a sprawling 3000 ft^2 mansion." (the average US home is ~2400 ft^2 for comparison).

I don't start even thinking "mansion" til over 10,000 ft^2.

Well if you're trying to hide, building a beautiful, huge mansion in Pakistan wouldn't really be smart I guess.

btw, you can't relate average income directly to square feet of housing.
The average income in my country is slightly higher, but houses here are generally way smaller. That's just a matter of population density.

[August]

Security infrastructure don't come cheap. The place was built like a fort.

[tater]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fm43Gfq0mE

[WarlordATF]

<Emergency Surface>

I have not posted here in quite awhile, but this is amazing news. I was shocked early this morning when i read the headlines. I actually teared up a little. I know its far from over but today the world has one less monster in it and i am so proud of our military.

God Bless America!

<SALUTE!>

<Diving back to lurking depth>

[Torplexed]

Yea, I'm selling Osama flavored bottom feeder fish food cheap. PM me if you want to buy some.



Yeah...fish food jokes will be the rage for a while. :D Goodbye Bin Laden. Enjoy the 72 sturgeons feasting on your liver.

http://pyxis.homestead.com/Sharks.jpg

[Stealhead]

Seems the neighborhood was fairly well of mostly current and ex-high ranking Pakistani officers and doctor lawyer types living there but his compound was much more fortified than the norm in the town.

Interesting thing the Pakistani version of West Point is in the same town it seems.:hmmm: Clearly several factions in the Pakistan government not all of them trustworthy a very unstable place and with nuclear weapons.Hope the side that uh "likes" us keeps control over the side that hates us.

[TLAM Strike]

Security infrastructure don't come cheap. The place was built like a fort.
^
Thats is why August is our resident Para. :up:

Million $ home in USA = Pool, LCD Flat Screen TV and king sized water bed.
Million $ home is Pakistan = defended by 13 foot concrete walls and armed guards.

[Bakkels]

Today I saw a journalist that was born just a two miles from the place they found Osama, but she moved to the Netherlands when she was just three or something. She returns there on a regular basis as she still has relatives there.
She said that that particular neighborhood is quite new (they started building there in 2005 or thereabout) and that for the larger part it consists of 'holiday homes'. Don't know how else to call them exactly, but for the most part, those houses are for the richer Pakistani's that only go there on vacation. So nobody really knows each other there. Actually not so bad of a place to hide out when you think about it.

[tater]

13' tall walls are not that expensive. 13' THICK walls, maybe.

I fully expect a fortified place (course I do see windows in the pics) to cost more, but this is not a Saddam Hussein underground bunker. IT's a slightly beefy house. Also, it's built in a country with a per capita income of ~$1050. That's like 36 times lower than the US. I'd expect costs to be lower than $333/ft^2 in a place where the labor costs (compared to the US) are effectively zero.

[Stealhead]

It was pretty effective for the expected threat though.I highly doubt they expected Navy SEALs to pay a visit maybe unfriendly but poorly equipped Pakistanis which the fortifications would have sufficed.

It also seems clear that an assault like the one that occurred did not seem to expected seems he felt pretty darn safe in there.

[Armistead]

13' tall walls are not that expensive. 13' THICK walls, maybe.

I fully expect a fortified place (course I do see windows in the pics) to cost more, but this is not a Saddam Hussein underground bunker. IT's a slightly beefy house. Also, it's built in a country with a per capita income of ~$1050. That's like 36 times lower than the US. I'd expect costs to be lower than $333/ft^2 in a place where the labor costs (compared to the US) are effectively zero.


Just think, our tax dollars could've helped pay for it. Can't believe we give billions to a government where elements support terror.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Here's the soundtrack for him for a while:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8

[TLAM Strike]

Bin Laden Dead: Video animation of terrorist leader's final moments

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ATo2NY13c

This one is a bit more accurate... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVUIPu3XLG0&feature=related#t=5m50s)
(it should jump to 5:50)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVUIPu3XLG0&feature=related#t=5m50s)

[Ducimus]

13' tall walls are not that expensive. 13' THICK walls, maybe.

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In our country maybe. In other countries, it can be expensive. As an example, i spent some time in central america. You can always tell the folks who have money from the folks that don't. The folks that didn't have money, made their houses (more like huts) out of wooden materials. The folks that did have money, made their houses out of cinderblock. You may not think a 12 by 10 foot cinderblock house to be expensive, but for that area... it was.

[tater]

In our country maybe. In other countries, it can be expensive. As an example, i spent some time in central america. You can always tell the folks who have money from the folks that don't. The folks that didn't have money, made their houses (more like huts) out of wooden materials. The folks that did have money, made their houses out of cinderblock. You may not think a 12 by 10 foot cinderblock house to be expensive, but for that area... it was.

I totally agree. But his place was expensive for HERE. It said a million dollars, not a million durka jihads (or whatever paki money is ;) ).

a 12 ft wall, 100 ft long, and a foot thick is ~44 yards of concrete. That's ~$4500 here in the US. The whole thing could be poured and we'd be talking well under 100 grand. I just checked and a bag of cement (not sure the weight) is $3.80 in Islamabad. Even if not an 80# bag, that's cheap. Labor costs are on the order of a couple bucks a day per person.

Dunno where the million buck went, but it ain't visible :)

[TLAM Strike]

Dunno where the million buck went, but it ain't visible :)

Visible, that's the point. OBL probably spent a million a year on bribes to the local ISI branch to STFU when the boys from Langley came around.

[Jimbuna]

16 foot high, barbed-wired outer perimeter wall, 7ft high-walled balcony, 24/7 armed guards, all so he could go outside and not be seen. How pi$$ed off must Osama have been, when Google Earth began?

[Blood_splat]

The birthers want Bin Ladens death certificate.

[Gerald]

Ask Obama about it, :O:

[Alex]

I wonder about one thing. What credible authority that has no declared self-interest in the issue, has confirmed the identity of the dead body that was sunk at sea? Was it really Bin Laden who got killed in the raid? On the picture, nobody of us here would be able to identify, to recognise him - I did not. To me, that dead face is just the face of any dead man.
especially as this muhammad servant has been declared the worst enemy of the united states for so long, here's me wondering who on Earth thinks he got the sufficient authority to throw this pile of flesh overboard instead of bringing it into some fridge back to New York on ground zero, or just to take a lot of pics of that dead guy with mr Obama playing the poseur in front of the white house showing his 32 teeth smile next to Usama or something.

In other words. Whereas politics in the united states of America always take every opportunity to make it all look like everyone lives in an Hollywood movie, this time someone (that no one knows or will ever hear of once again) thinks it's better to throw the corpse of the united states's #1 enemy overboard, instead of bringing it back to the US and then to decide there what to do with Usama's body. Just as if setting it on fire wasn't possible on your soil, lol !

It doesn't look like a movie enough, me thinks. United states's propaganda can't take any advantage of the situation actually - or does showing your president pacing up and down a corridor for 10 meters and saying a few words is sufficient for the united states's people to go shouting "USA - USA - USA - USA - USA - USA - USA - USA - USA" in the streets for one whole night ?

It just looked so caricatural overall that it made me think about independence day (the movie).

[Torplexed]

You'll never win with the conspiracy theory crowd. If you have the body it's a fake, a body double. I can't see it publicly so automatically all pictures are Photoshop. Either that you're a latter day Imperial Rome for parading the body around like a war prize, and offending all Islam for delaying a proper burial. If you bury it, it's a cover-up, of course.

There's a point where pleasing the tinfoil hat brigade is not a priority. I'm glad they handled the way they did.

[Alex]

Do you mean Photoshop is responsible for the throwing of Usama overboard ?

LOL.

I agree with you in some way : it happened that we got to hear about body doubles and all that. But going back to your country with NO PROOF of what you've done, is that better than bringing the supposed body of Usama back home ?

Now YOU're getting caricatural, Torplexed (with all due respect of course). :O:

[August]

I totally agree. But his place was expensive for HERE. It said a million dollars, not a million durka jihads (or whatever paki money is ;) ).

a 12 ft wall, 100 ft long, and a foot thick is ~44 yards of concrete. That's ~$4500 here in the US. The whole thing could be poured and we'd be talking well under 100 grand. I just checked and a bag of cement (not sure the weight) is $3.80 in Islamabad. Even if not an 80# bag, that's cheap. Labor costs are on the order of a couple bucks a day per person.

Dunno where the million buck went, but it ain't visible :)


Sounds like Osama should have hired you as his general contractor Tater! Maybe you could start a business. "Cheap Lairs for Frugal Fugitives (CLFF). :DL

[Armistead]

I totally agree. But his place was expensive for HERE. It said a million dollars, not a million durka jihads (or whatever paki money is ;) ).

a 12 ft wall, 100 ft long, and a foot thick is ~44 yards of concrete. That's ~$4500 here in the US. The whole thing could be poured and we'd be talking well under 100 grand. I just checked and a bag of cement (not sure the weight) is $3.80 in Islamabad. Even if not an 80# bag, that's cheap. Labor costs are on the order of a couple bucks a day per person.

Dunno where the million buck went, but it ain't visible :)

Well, is in an expensive hood for many past government and military officials. I'm sure many other items were worked into the cost of the house, playstation, large screen TV's, services by ho's, probably a few cars,...you know how they have to play with the money.

[tater]

I'm just surprised real estate is so expensive someplace I consider to be a sh*thole. :)

Regardless, the house was neither a mansion, nor "luxurious."

Maybe land is really expensive 800 yards from their military academy.

[Armistead]

I finally just looked at it.. Damn, must be New York land prices there. I could build that here in America for less than a mil.

[Biggles]

So a real estate ripped Osama off, serves him right!

[August]

Who came up with the 1 million figure? Is it based at all on actual cost or is it more like a "million dollar haircut"?

[TLAM Strike]

Who came up with the 1 million figure?

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7523/drevil1amatesgot10ipads.png

[MH]

Do you mean Photoshop is responsible for the throwing of Usama overboard ?

LOL.

I agree with you in some way : it happened that we got to hear about body doubles and all that. But going back to your country with NO PROOF of what you've done, is that better than bringing the supposed body of Usama back home ?

Now YOU're getting caricatural, Torplexed (with all due respect of course). :O:

So you want to put his body in a museum?
Or throw it central square for every body to take souvenirs?:D

[MaddogK]

Ahh, a new day and a new game.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/inside-sources-bin-ladens-corpse-has-been-on-ice-for-nearly-a-decade.html

Here's your free power-up, now lets have some fun.
:cool:

[Skybird]

Pakistani secret service ISI says it is embarassed that it did not find out about Bin Laden hiding in that villa.

Translates into: they are embarassed that the US intel found out where the ISI was hiding Bin Laden. :03:

[Skybird]

So you want to put his body in a museum?
Or throw it central square for every body to take souvenirs?:D
"Pig food" is all I say. Just keep the eyes.

[MH]

Ahh, a new day and a new game.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/inside-sources-bin-ladens-corpse-has-been-on-ice-for-nearly-a-decade.html

Here's your free power-up, now lets have some fun.
:cool:

So secret is so outrageous and monstrous that neither republicans or democrats have nerve to expose it.
Then Obama just buries the secret and gains the points while every body keeps mouth shot?

[MaddogK]

So secret is so outrageous and monstrous that neither republicans or democrats have nerve to expose it.
Then Obama just buries the secret and gains the points while every body keeps mouth shot?

Sure, it's only the second day the story was released and already the WH is changing the story.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54162.html

[Onkel Neal]

You'll never win with the conspiracy theory crowd. If you have the body it's a fake, a body double. I can't see it publicly so automatically all pictures are Photoshop. Either that you're a latter day Imperial Rome for parading the body around like a war prize, and offending all Islam for delaying a proper burial. If you bury it, it's a cover-up, of course.

There's a point where pleasing the tinfoil hat brigade is not a priority. I'm glad they handled the way they did.


Agreed. It would be pretty nasty to see what's left on display. And I am so glad he was shot on the spot, instead of taken alive. No way they should give him a forum to speak from.

[Skybird]

As I said yesterday, I am still not certain that it indeed was Bin Laden who got killed yesterday. The evidence is still lacking. The pictures of the body and head that got released so far are known to be forged since long time.

To 70% I tend to think he got killed, for 20% I think he already was dead since long before, and for 10% I think that it was just somebody else whom they killed yesterday, with Bin Laden's real fate unknown but him still being alive.

I am however certain that the ISI is key.

[Skybird]

Agreed. It would be pretty nasty to see what's left on display. And I am so glad he was shot on the spot, instead of taken alive. No way they should give him a forum to speak from.
It's about evidence, Neal. Just about evidence. So far, there is NONE. Just rumours, claims and hear-say. No evidence. And an insightful mastermind of the operation would have forseen the need for evidence and made sure that the objective of getting undeniable evidence gets acchieved at all cost. In the propaganda war, this evidence is more important than the real fate of Bin Laden itself.

[August]

It's about evidence, Neal. Just about evidence. So far, there is NONE. Just rumours, claims and hear-say. No evidence. And an insightful mastermind of the operation would have forseen the need for evidence and made sure that the objective of getting undeniable evidence gets acchieved at all cost. In the propaganda war, this evidence is more important than the real fate of Bin Laden itself.

So what would it take for you to be satisfied? Is there any evidence that would satisfy you?