Ship Names April 2011

[Sailor Steve]

Added 167 new names, for a total of 11,774.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=3124

[frau kaleun]

And I was only 30 minutes away from finishing up all the stuff I was doing with the existing list... :wah:







Just kill me now, please? :O:



Kidding, thanks again Steve for all your work on this.

[HW3]

Thanks again Steve!:yeah:

[Sailor Steve]

Just kill me now, please? :O:
Nein! Ve haf osser plans for you.

[frau kaleun]

Nein! Ve haf osser plans for you.

I'll have you know I have already used WinMerge (which is awesome) to extract the new names from the April file so I can add them with ease to my personal little "project."

It should only take me about 30 minutes' work to get them into the mix before I can move on to another one of the three million things I'm working on, so:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll308/smoochieslillyfairy/neener.gif




At this rate I should be ready to hit the high seas again by... uh... fourth of July maybe? :D

[drakkhen20]

sssswwwweeeettttttt. great work sailor.:yeah:

[STEED]

Ta. :up:

[NoGoodLandLubber]

Thanks Steve!

:salute:

[Borgneface]

Hello Steve,

Thank you for that list....Been looking for your new list so often.....
But One thing is sort of puzzling me!

What does "Frau Kaleun" means with ....All the stuff she was doing with the existing list..." ?
I know you will all burst out laughing :cry: when reading this question, but I just thought you replace the old ships names list with this one :damn:

So any info will be very very welcome!! Yes yes
Amicalement

[frau kaleun]

I know you will all burst out laughing :cry: when reading this question, but I just thought you replace the old ships names list with this one :damn:


You do, just replace the old .cfg file with the new one.

I have been playing around with making customized versions of it for my own use, that's all, not doing anything with it that needs to be done for it to work properly. :DL

[Jimbuna]

I know you will all burst out laughing :cry: when reading this question, but I just thought you replace the old ships names list with this one :damn:



The list is cumulative...nice one Steve http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Fish In The Water]

Added 167 new names, for a total of 11,774.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=3124

Just wanted to express my appreciation for your effort...

It might not be the 'sexiest' mod, but it's still a valuable service to the community. Thanks Steve! :salute:

[Tweety]

Thank you Sailor Steve for the hard work you :yeah:

Tweety

[Wreford-Brown]

Do you ever sleep, Steve?
Another great update to your mod - thank you.

[Sailor Steve]

Do you ever sleep, Steve?

All the time. That's why there's only 167 new ships after two months, when there should have been 600. :dead:

[Mouftic]

Great job!

Really adds to the realism of the game.

One quick question, if I sink a British flower escort, is the game going to pick any flower excorts for names or just the British ones.

thanks

[frau kaleun]

It's actually Commander that will add the name to your logs... and it will pick a name at random from all the names listed for a particular class. Unfortunately there's no way to make it distinguish between ships of different nations in the same class. The game doesn't keep a record of which nation spawned a ship, so even if there were a way to filter the choices by nation within a particular class, Commander wouldn't have the info necessary to do that. The class designation [COFlower] is all it has to work with.

One "solution" would be to create a duplicate ship class of a different name in data\Sea for US Flower class ships only, then have that class spawn from the American roster and let the original one spawn from the British roster only. But that adds another ship that the game has to load and if you did it for every ship class that includes more than one nation... BIG extra drain on your system.

The other workaround is to keep two different ShipNames.cfg files, one for the early part of the war and one for after the US enters the fray. "USS" ships can be removed from the mixed-nation classes in the first list and left in the second list. That way they would never show up in your logs until you switched the files after Dec 1941.

Edit: I should add that doing this can end up being a LOT of work. Depending on how Steve has the ships sorted in the original list, it can involve a lot of renumbering, because they have to be listed as 0001, 0002, 0003 and so on without skipping a number otherwise it fouls things up.

[Mouftic]

:doh:

Ok, i'll pass on the renaming and all...

Thanks for that indepth answer.

[Sailor Steve]

:yep: Life would be so much easier if there was a Commander for SH4. There only needs to be one folder for each ship, and it can be applied to any nation without creating new folders.

[fitzcarraldo]

Many thanks! :yeah::woot::yeah::woot::yeah:

Can you add the names for the ships in the MIS files of WB? :06:

Best regards.

Fitzcarraldo :salute:

[frau kaleun]

Can you add the names for the ships in the MIS files of WB?

You can add them yourself if they're not already there.

Just use the ship's class as shown in the EnglishNames.cfg file and create an entry for it and add the name(s) for it in a numbered list below, following the example of the lists already in the file. :up:

[Sailor Steve]

Here's another change that could be made at the personal level: With the exception of the ships Empire Merchant, Empire Song, Empire Star and Empire Trader there should be no ships with 'Empire' in the name prior to June 30, 1941, when the MoWT was formed.

[frau kaleun]

Here's another change that could be made at the personal level: With the exception of the ships Empire Merchant, Empire Song, Empire Star and Empire Trader there should be no ships with 'Empire' in the name prior to June 30, 1941, when the MoWT was formed.

NOW you mention this? :stare:

If that's one of those lists with, like, 3 bazillion ships in it that I'm gonna have to renumber AGAIN because I can not un-know this information... :wah:

And I was *this* close to being done!

C'est la vie. Or la guerre. Whatever. :doh: :O: :D

[fitzcarraldo]

You can add them yourself if they're not already there.

Just use the ship's class as shown in the EnglishNames.cfg file and create an entry for it and add the name(s) for it in a numbered list below, following the example of the lists already in the file. :up:

Thanks Frau Kaleun :yeah:

For instance: I have the Titanic and the MIS file for this ship. I want to add the "Titanic" and the "Olympic". Sihp class is "Olympic". How to add the "Titanic" name?

Best regards.

Fitzcarraldo :salute:

[Sailor Steve]

C'est la vie. Or la guerre. Whatever. :doh: :O: :D

C'est Lautrec!

[frau kaleun]

Thanks Frau Kaleun :yeah:

For instance: I have the Titanic and the MIS file for this ship. I want to add the "Titanic" and the "Olympic". Sihp class is "Olympic". How to add the "Titanic" name?

Best regards.

Fitzcarraldo :salute:

First of all, the "ship class" you need to use is the one that designates that ship in the game - the ClassName - not the class to which it belonged in real life.

The ClassName for a ship can be found in the .cfg file inside its data\Sea folder. For VonDos' RMS Titanic as provided in WB's mod, the .cfg file looks like this:

[Unit]
ClassName=TIT
UnitType=103
MaxSpeed=23
Length=269
Width=28
Mast=52
Draft=15
Displacement=46328
RenownAwarded=890

[2DCompartments]
UnitPos=50,0,416,28
NbOfComp=4
Name1=Propulsion
Area1=52,0,23,26
Name2=Keel
Area2=150,0,237,7
Name3=Engines Room
Area3=193,9,45,17
Name4=Fuel Bunkers
Area4=163,9,28,17

That first line after [Unit] is what you need to look at with regard to adding the ship to your Ship Names .cfg file. So the ClassName for this ship is TIT. (You would pick that one. :O:)

What you want to add to Ship Names is:

[TIT]
0001=RMS Titanic
0002=RMS Olympic

If you like you could also add the lines needed to generate cargo and crew info:

[TIT]
CargoTyp=29
CrewRange=850|870
0001=RMS Titanic
0002=RMS Olympic

The '29' indicates a 'cargo' of passengers; Wikipedia shows a crew of 860 for both the Titanic and a third Olympic-class ship, the Britannic, so that's where I got the crew range. Someone who knows better may have a different suggestion for that, I don't know.

You could in theory also add the Britannic to the list but apparently she never sailed as a passenger liner and went straight into service as a hospital ship in WWI, then was sunk by a mine in 1916. As a hospital ship she wouldn't fit the model for this ship in the game, but in a make-believe world where the Titanic is still available to be sunk by a u-boat in WWII - well, it's up to you. If it were me I'd just list her in a third line as

0003=HMS Britannic

rather than using the more historically accurate 'HMHS' as you wouldn't want to sink an ocean liner and then have it turn up in your logs with a hospital ship designation.

I don't know what display name you've added for the ship in your EnglishNames.cfg, but if you're going to let Commander choose from names other than 'RMS Titanic' for her I would suggest just using

TIT=Olympic class liner

in EnglishNames.cfg, that way you won't have a ship positively IDed by name in the game and then (maybe) given a different name in your patrol log.

[fitzcarraldo]

First of all, the "ship class" you need to use is the one that designates that ship in the game - the ClassName - not the class to which it belonged in real life.

The ClassName for a ship can be found in the .cfg file inside its data\Sea folder. For VonDos' RMS Titanic as provided in WB's mod, the .cfg file looks like this:

[Unit]
ClassName=TIT
UnitType=103
MaxSpeed=23
Length=269
Width=28
Mast=52
Draft=15
Displacement=46328
RenownAwarded=890

[2DCompartments]
UnitPos=50,0,416,28
NbOfComp=4
Name1=Propulsion
Area1=52,0,23,26
Name2=Keel
Area2=150,0,237,7
Name3=Engines Room
Area3=193,9,45,17
Name4=Fuel Bunkers
Area4=163,9,28,17

That first line after [Unit] is what you need to look at with regard to adding the ship to your Ship Names .cfg file. So the ClassName for this ship is TIT. (You would pick that one. :O:)

What you want to add to Ship Names is:

[TIT]
0001=RMS Titanic
0002=RMS Olympic

If you like you could also add the lines needed to generate cargo and crew info:

[TIT]
CargoTyp=29
CrewRange=850|870
0001=RMS Titanic
0002=RMS Olympic

The '29' indicates a 'cargo' of passengers; Wikipedia shows a crew of 860 for both the Titanic and a third Olympic-class ship, the Britannic, so that's where I got the crew range. Someone who knows better may have a different suggestion for that, I don't know.

You could in theory also add the Britannic to the list but apparently she never sailed as a passenger liner and went straight into service as a hospital ship in WWI, then was sunk by a mine in 1916. As a hospital ship she wouldn't fit the model for this ship in the game, but in a make-believe world where the Titanic is still available to be sunk by a u-boat in WWII - well, it's up to you. If it were me I'd just list her in a third line as

0003=HMS Britannic

rather than using the more historically accurate 'HMHS' as you wouldn't want to sink an ocean liner and then have it turn up in your logs with a hospital ship designation.

I don't know what display name you've added for the ship in your EnglishNames.cfg, but if you're going to let Commander choose from names other than 'RMS Titanic' for her I would suggest just using

TIT=Olympic class liner

in EnglishNames.cfg, that way you won't have a ship positively IDed by name in the game and then (maybe) given a different name in your patrol log.

Very clear, Frau Kaleun. I think Doenitz would win the war with conosseurs as you.

Really, I don´t know why WB select that "TIT" name for the class. :O:

After the Cameron´s movie, I like to sink the Titanic...

Many thanks and best regards.

Fitzcarraldo :salute:

[Sailor Steve]

Great explanation, Frau K! Clear and concise. I would recommend a Cargo of 30, though, as if such ships were in service in WW2 they'd probably be carrying troops. You can also use both (29,30), or juggle the chance of which type by using more of one than the other (29,29,30,30,30).

In the other liners I use a multiple of those plus on chance of 'Mail/Packages' being listed: 23,29,29,29,30,30,30,30,30.

[frau kaleun]

Great explanation, Frau K! Clear and concise. I would recommend a Cargo of 30, though, as if such ships were in service in WW2 they'd probably be carrying troops. You can also use both (29,30), or juggle the chance of which type by using more of one than the other (29,29,30,30,30).

In the other liners I use a multiple of those plus on chance of 'Mail/Packages' being listed: 23,29,29,29,30,30,30,30,30.


Excellent point about the troops, I kind of debated whether or not to stick a '30' on there. For some reason it just seemed odd to me to think of the Titanic that way, but if you're going to have her sailing around during WWII anyway it's all up for grabs and no doubt she would've been put into service as something other than a passenger liner. And I suppose Mail is always an acceptable option for any 'RMS' ship.

Except rereading that, it should probably be RMS Britannic if he's gonna add that name. Unfortunate typo on my part.

[Wreford-Brown]

Really, I don´t know why WB select that "TIT" name for the class. :O:

Blame VonDos!

[fitzcarraldo]

Blame VonDos!

I´m sorry, WB. I believed that names were between your obsessions...:O:

Thanks, Sailor Steve, for the tip of troop transport. I´ll make the Titanic and Olympic as liners in 1939 and troop transport from 1940 to 1945, via Commander.

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo :salute:

[Wreford-Brown]

I´m sorry, WB. I believed that names were between your obsessions...:O:

It is the easiest of the lot to remember and still makes me giggle occasionally - I guess it hits the right spot in my puerile sense of humour...

[Sailor Steve]

Can you add the names for the ships in the MIS files of WB? :06:
I haven't added most of the big liners simply because there were only one or two in any given class, and if there was only one the name is included anyway.

Or at least that was my thinking before. Now I realize that putting them in is the only way they'll get the cargo and crew listings.

If anyone wants to make a quick list of ones that aren't there I'll be glad to put them into the next official release.

[frau kaleun]

I haven't added most of the big liners simply because there were only one or two in any given class, and if there was only one the name is included anyway.

Or at least that was my thinking before. Now I realize that putting them in is the only way they'll get the cargo and crew listings.

If anyone wants to make a quick list of ones that aren't there I'll be glad to put them into the next official release.

I'm actually including an entry for everything in my data\Sea folder that I might encounter as a hostile contact, partly for that reason and partly because I've edited EnglishNames.cfg to take actual ship names out of the display names for enemy craft. So all King George V class ships, for instance, are IDed by class only in EnglishNames.cfg and that's what would display in the game... in ShipNames I've mapped all the individual ClassNames for those ships to one entry that contains all the different ships' names.

It's not a perfect system, obviously, since I know some of the warships in particular are scripted into their historic positions and I might sink what is definitely supposed to be the Warspite in the game and be credited with a different QE class BB in my logs.

OTOH, if I manage to sink it twice in the same career, I won't be credited with sinking it twice in my logs since Commander will use a different name from that list the second time around.

Also there are some ships that were the only ship in their class, like the Hood, but I did the same with them as well so that if sunk they would still show up in the logs as 'HMS Hood (Admiral class)' rather than 'HMS Hood (HMS Hood)' since IIRC Commander that's how Commander lists sunk ships in the log.

A couple times I had to (gasp!) come up with a CrewRange based on guess-timating by looking at what the complement was on similar size/type ships, so some of them might be way off. I think that was mostly for smaller craft that I'd be unlikely to attack anyway, so it's no biggie. If they ever show up in an official release I'll just revise what I have to match it.

I can email you the ShipNames files I have now - only two, one for 1939-41 and one for 1942-45 if you want to see the ones I added (and inform me of any egregious errors I've made in doing so :O:).

[Sailor Steve]

Okay. :yep:

[frau kaleun]

Okay. :yep:

Actually I think only the second one would be necessary, it's got everything in it that I've added including the Italian warships in case they show up as enemy vessels after 9/43.

You can PM me an email address or else point me at some place where I can just upload the file without too much hassle. I'm not familiar with setting up anything like that at any of the file-sharing sites.

Won't be done 'til this evening at the earliest provided we don't have another power outage here. It was out for almost 10 hours yesterday. :stare:

(And y'all thought I just ran out of stuff to say... :O:)

[Gerald]

Actually I think only the second one would be necessary, it's got everything in it that I've added including the Italian warships in case they show up as enemy vessels after 9/43.

You can PM me an email address or else point me at some place where I can just upload the file without too much hassle. I'm not familiar with setting up anything like that at any of the file-sharing sites.

Won't be done 'til this evening at the earliest provided we don't have another power outage here. It was out for almost 10 hours yesterday. :stare:

(And y'all thought I just ran out of stuff to say... :O:) But a little technical knowledge, and possible simultaneous ... it can not be that much to ask :O: