[TEC] How to see all available characters' animations (for char waypoints modding)

[Vanilla]

Nothing major, just the way you can check all the animations for characters available in the game if you don't know it already. It is quite simple. I know that there were quite a few questions if for example ladder climbing animation is available - it is, you can see it.

Here goes how:
1. Open Goblin, do: Tools->Show scene tree.
2. Do: File -> Open.. -> data(backup)/Characters -> just drag-select all three files there -> Open.
3. Click somewhere in the view and hit Ctrl+Q to center on the figure. You will see the generic figure in 'no-animation' posture.
4. If you want to change appereance of our sailor, right click on the Dummy01 in the Scene tree->Edit controllers->click on 'Sapiens' in the 2nd column. In the table on the right you will see options to select different head/torso/legs and two objects the sailor can have (check knife out! :arrgh!:).
5. Merge in the animation. Do: File -> Merge -> Animations folder -> select any animations file -> Merge.
6. Enjoy. Check out his dancing! :woot: Or make him take cover! :)

P.S. Don't you ever save into normal data folder. Make a backup!
P.P.S. All the ladder climbing and giving way are there, even running and dropping down (alle Mann voraus!). :)

[THE_MASK]

When will the mod be ready ?

[oscar19681]

You must first open the characterbodyparts gr-2 , then merge the characterbodyparts.chr and then merge with a animation.
Anyway when i want to change the the head of something i get a pull down menu from the editor in the left top when clicking on the current bodypart but it dissapears so quickly that i cant select anything

[Vanilla]

You must first open the characterbodyparts gr-2 , then merge the characterbodyparts.chr and then merge with a animation.
Anyway when i want to change the the head of something i get a pull down menu from the editor in the left top when clicking on the current bodypart but it dissapears so quickly that i cant select anything

In File->Open file-selection window you drag-select both GR2 and chr file - Goblin will merge them automatically for you. That is - instead of opening just GR2 select both GR2 and CHR and only then click open, they will both open merged. You can of course merge chr after opening gr2 (or vice versa if you happen to open chr first by mistake) but it is easier to open them already merged. It works with other mergeable files as well.

As for body features change - do this: in Project tree double-click on our sailor (Sapiens @ Dummy01 under CharacterBodyParts.chr). It will open Edit behaviour window. There click on 'Sapiens' under 'Render' - you will see and be able to change all the properties of our character there.

The main problem is that Goblin crashes every now and then for no apparent reason. I recon I do make some mistakes but it is hard to figure out what goes wrong.

[Vanilla]

When will the mod be ready ?

Sorry, absolutely no idea, I was just exploring animation engine to check if it is possible to make crew act more real-life like, not sure if I will be able to pull this off at all currently. But since there is no good description of how to use Goblin - I decided to post at least this little [tec] of what I've found so far- maybe some other wish-to-be modder as myself will find it useful.

[oscar19681]

In File->Open file-selection window you drag-select both GR2 and chr file - Goblin will merge them automatically for you. That is - instead of opening just GR2 select both GR2 and CHR and only then click open, they will both open merged. You can of course merge chr after opening gr2 (or vice versa if you happen to open chr first by mistake) but it is easier to open them already merged. It works with other mergeable files as well.

As for body features change - do this: in Project tree double-click on our sailor (Sapiens @ Dummy01 under CharacterBodyParts.chr). It will open Edit behaviour window. There click on 'Sapiens' under 'Render' - you will see and be able to change all the properties of our character there.

The main problem is that Goblin crashes every now and then for no apparent reason. I recon I do make some mistakes but it is hard to figure out what goes wrong.

Yes but when i click the bar that changes the for example the torso i get a split second pull down menu in the left upper corner which dissapears so fast that i cannot sellect anything.

[Vanilla]

Yes but when i click the bar that changes the for example the torso i get a split second pull down menu in the left upper corner which dissapears so fast that i cannot sellect anything.

Just checked - I don't have this problem. The drop down menu opens under the 'Torso' line (not in the left corner) and stays there. Oscar, what is your windows version?

Found another strange thing: I try to change the bosun's 'strategy' in qr2 room (crew_idle_actions_qr2.aix) but Goblin does not seem to recognize any changes I make, I even tried renaming the file to no effect. I know that I edit it correctly since I test everything on the small_boat in the Sea folder first... Another issue I am having is that I don't know what methods a Waypoints object has, I wonder if I can generate a Random number somehow or get current time or at least check if it is night or day in aix script for crew.

[oscar19681]

I have windows vista 32 bit

[Zedi]

Same here. Also w7/32.

I was always convinced that all the animations are done, but they never got time to pull them together. The trailer is a ingame footage, is what made me to buy the game on day 1... was hoping that the crew behavior is really the same as it was in the trailer. But this looks too complicated, I dont think that any moder ever will manage to cook this up.

[Vanilla]

My guess the problem with disappearing drop-downs has something to do with Windows version, Goblin was obviously used only on Windows XP by devs and it is not a very stable and thoroughly tested software either. Try running Goblin in XP compatibility mode.

There can be another, although more complicated, workaround: AFAIR you can change body- and other parts directly from aix script. This way you can change the appearance in the script to check if it is the one you want and then hex-edit chr file.

[Vanilla]

I was always convinced that all the animations are done, but they never got time to pull them together. The trailer is a ingame footage, is what made me to buy the game on day 1... was hoping that the crew behavior is really the same as it was in the trailer. But this looks too complicated, I dont think that any moder ever will manage to cook this up.

Well, not really, many useful and not-used animations are there (like 'alarm-jump' off the bed), while other aren't. Last night I discovered that there is no 'Walk through hatch' animation that can be used. Although it is obvious that the devs has planned to create this animation (you see references to Walk_hatch and Walk_hatch_reverse in many waypoints_files) it is simple not there - when you try to use unedited waypoints created by devs there are glitches due to the lack of those animations.
That is a grave problem for me. I was hoping to animate crew in more sensible way, to make them act according to their duties on the boat and the environment. I started with the Bosun - he should supervise the crew so I hoped to make him walk up and down the boat occasionaly and 'supervise' what crew is doing. It is relatively easy except that I cannot make him walk through any hatches since there is no animation for that. I can only make him walk or run through the wall, or teleport him. There is an animation of a sailor going through the hatch that is used in tutorial mission, but it applicable to only one situation when the character is already in front of the hatch and this animation makes it look like he just walked through it, and works only if he is 'walking' from the bow to heck of the boat. I was even thinking of hex-editing, but then I realised that creating a complete animations by hex-editing is way beyond my skills and is hardly possible at all.
So now I think I just teleport them from one compartment to another and wait for privateer to finish his epic quest agains granny so I can create the animations needed (after learning how to create them).

[Zedi]

And is not possible to mix animations and way points? Using them like some tracks in a railway station? Meaning.. when a char is in front of the hatch, he use the go_through_hatch anime then use another track according to his "mission". There are also many animations used in the bunker, like climb ladder, carry &repair stuff etc.

I agree and I can imagine how hard is to put all this together.. is hard even as a paid job, not to mention the time required. But would be nice to have at least those lazy bummers in beds to stand up when the boat is in battle state.

[Vanilla]

Some more tec information on how the crew is animated I discovered so far:

The crew animation consists of six parts each represented by a file (or set of files that must be merged):


Waypoints set. Those can either be defined in a separate GR2-file, as in the case with U-boats, or directly on the model file, like in Small_boat in the Sea folder. As of now we cannot edit GR2 files, so addition, deletion or direct editing of the waypoints location is not possible. On the other hand waypoints locations can be tweaked through waypoints_info files (see below). Besides Paris_England claims that it is possible to add waypoints by creating a new waypoints 'layer' by copying the original GR2 and adding the copy to the model so you have two sets of the same waypoints. That is how I understood it, he doesn't give a lot of details on how to do it. Those waypoints can then be moved through info file. Notice, that for some models there are several files that need to be merged, for example every submarine have several 'common' rooms and its own specific heck torpedo room, that is defined in 'TRA' file, the same is true for conning tower.
Characters set. It is a CHR file. These files define what characters will be there in animation, how they will look (leg, torso, head, cap, objects they will hold), what scripts and files define their actions and interactions with the player. If you need to add, delete or tweak a character - that is this file you should be editing. I don't know yet to what extent they can be edited in Goblin. Apparently to add or remove crew you need to be hex-editing those (that is what Paris_England has skillfully done, as I guess). There can be several CHR files for a model. For example submarine has quite a few - one for each room.
Scripts. Those are:

'Strategies' definitions. AIX-files in Scripts/AI/Crew folder. A 'strategy' is a animations' sequence of a particular character for a particular situation. They can be attached to a particular condition either directly in the AIX-file or through crew_commands file. So for example if an order to dive is given or a proximity explosion just happened - what the character should do. All the usual bed lying behaviours (idle strategies) are there as well. You can make the character change appearance from the script: make objects appear and disappear in his hands, etc. There is a short help-doc on how to write the scripts in the folder with them. The problem with them is that there is no list of methods (functions) that can be used in the script.
Crew commands. Crew_commands*.txt files that establish a correspondence between a command given (for all commands see Commands.cfg file) and strategies of the crew. Commands priority and min and max number of people that should participate in the action can be set there as well. There is a help comments in each of those files on how to edit them.
Dialog scripts. I haven't looked into those yet. Apparently they define animations played when interacting with the player. There are also dialog files.


Waypoints tweaking. Waipoints_info*.txt files - they hold information about each waypoint's offset: three floating point digits that define offset on X, Z, Y axes (in this sequence!), you can move a waypoint this way to wherever you want. NB: try decimals first - offsetting is very sensitive, often whole numbers move the point way too much. Next thing these files hold is the default strategy for a waypoint - if a character is on this particular point it will start this particular strategy if no other orders are given.
Waypoints transition. Waypoints_edges*.txt files - define what 'neighbouring' waypoints a waypoint has and animation that should be played when transiting between them. That is if a character comes to waypoint C, to which points he can go from there and what animations should be played when he moves between them. Notice, that the 'neighbours' should be defined both ways: one entry for A to B and a separate one for B to A. You should also remember that you can define it only once in one place - for example transitions between compartments should be defined in only one of them or in a separate 'whole submarine' file (as devs have done it). Only special 'transition' animations can be used for the transitions for them to happen seamlessly. They are characteristic in the sense that they animate 'moving' without the actual movement, they are then given 'speed' in animations_info.txt file (in Characters/Animation folder) and so it creates the actual movement. This is done so that the character can move any distance (waypoints can be close or far or whatever from each other), while other specifically tailored animations move him only a set distance from the initial point. So far I know that only four animations can be used seamlessly for transitions: teleport (that is not an animation but rather a command in aix-file, so you cannot assign it in the edge file), walk, run and climb ladders.
Animation tweaking. Animation_info*.txt defines how a particular animation used should be played. You can define initial angle the character should face (from 0 to 180/-180). That is if you set it 0, -90 the character will first turn to face the bow of the sub, then play animation (he will snap-turn to the animation preset if it is not the same as facing angle), then turn 90 to the right. If the angles are equal - he will first turn to the first angle heading, then play animation and stop, 2nd angle is ignored. Notice that you cannot turn the actual animation, it will be always played at the same angle no matter what. If, say, some cook_walk_to_commander animation is created so that it is played from heck to bow direction you have no ability to turn it. Notice also that strangely enough some animations (like walk or run) are turned, but they are turned by the engine without your input. I recon to make other animations turn GR2 files should be edited. Or there can be another possibilty or tool that I have overlooked. In the animation files you can also specify speed, head movement (yes or no) and other applicable options. Notice, that those have no effect on most of the animations. There is also 'transition XY' option, I am not sure what it does, but I recon it has something to do for transition between sitting, laying down, standing up etc.



Most of the interconnections between files can be determined in Goblin either by looking at Project tree or through opening 'Sapiens_manager' controller of the model.
Note as well that you cannot edit waypoints behaviours in Goblin. Although there is a waypoint editor you most obviously will open when modding animations and you can edit waypoints animation there - the 'save' option is always greyed-out. The only way to edit those are through txt and aix files.

NB: to see the effects of waypoints_info.txt and waypoints_edge.txt editing (notepad or whatever) just hit F9 (refresh) in Goblin. Changes in animation_info.txt files require you to re-open the files for the model to see the effects of the edit. And if you change any of the AIX files you will have to close and re-open Goblin. It appears it loads the scripts only once as it opens.

NBB: Don't forget to make back-ups and experiment first with small_boat in the Sea folder. And if Goblin crashes - it's its way to tell you you have made a mistake somewhere (most often, only rarely it can crash for other reasons).

[Vanilla]

I would greatly appreciate if anyone has ideas on what methods (functions) are available in AI scripts.
I also wonder if all the classes and objects have the same set of methods available. I see there is, for example, a Random(a,b) method used by TDW in his AI script files and as far as I understand they are members of Ship class. It would be of great help if anyone can clarify whether the same can be used on Waypoints objects as well.

[oscar19681]

Well, not really, many useful and not-used animations are there (like 'alarm-jump' off the bed), while other aren't. Last night I discovered that there is no 'Walk through hatch' animation that can be used. Although it is obvious that the devs has planned to create this animation (you see references to Walk_hatch and Walk_hatch_reverse in many waypoints_files) it is simple not there - when you try to use unedited waypoints created by devs there are glitches due to the lack of those animations.
That is a grave problem for me. I was hoping to animate crew in more sensible way, to make them act according to their duties on the boat and the environment. I started with the Bosun - he should supervise the crew so I hoped to make him walk up and down the boat occasionaly and 'supervise' what crew is doing. It is relatively easy except that I cannot make him walk through any hatches since there is no animation for that. I can only make him walk or run through the wall, or teleport him. There is an animation of a sailor going through the hatch that is used in tutorial mission, but it applicable to only one situation when the character is already in front of the hatch and this animation makes it look like he just walked through it, and works only if he is 'walking' from the bow to heck of the boat. I was even thinking of hex-editing, but then I realised that creating a complete animations by hex-editing is way beyond my skills and is hardly possible at all.
So now I think I just teleport them from one compartment to another and wait for privateer to finish his epic quest agains granny so I can create the animations needed (after learning how to create them).

The might fine crew mod has an animation for dieter depp comming down the conning tower and walking throught the hatch near the sound man and it is used in game when have dived the sub. Why would this not be applicabe to the bosun?

[Vanilla]

The might fine crew mod has an animation for dieter depp comming down the conning tower and walking throught the hatch near the sound man and it is used in game when have dived the sub. Why would this not be applicabe to the bosun?

I have a look, thanks for the lead!

[urfisch]

interesting topic!:rock:

[oscar19681]

Yes maybe this should be merged with Paris his extra crew thread..

[Vanilla]

The might fine crew mod has an animation for dieter depp comming down the conning tower and walking throught the hatch near the sound man and it is used in game when have dived the sub. Why would this not be applicabe to the bosun?

Ok, I looked through the script. When diving - he just snaps through the hatch, walking through hatch happens only when surfacing. And unfortunately it is done as I thought - the char is teleported into the middle of the Control room and immediately plays the infamous SAILOR01_Go_through_hatch animation. The animation is so made that it immediately 'teleports' the char back almost to the original compartment and then he makes a move that appears as he just 'walked through the hatch', then make few steps forward and turns left - this is all one animation. While this animation is fine for going from bow to heck directions it does not work the other way round. It is impossible to make a char walk from control room through the hatch and to the captains cabin compartment. The other problem with it is that you need to teleport char to a waypoint at a predetermined dictance from the hatch.


But it can be used anyway in some cases like this one. Thanks!

[Vanilla]

Just noticed that I've made a mistake: unfortunately there is no climb ladders transition animation, only walk and run or teleport from the script.

[Vanilla]

It appears that it is way easier to check animations in Granny Viewer. It is simple to install and you can batch-load many animation files in one go then selecting them one by one to display by just clicking on them. I'll write a short manual a bit later.

[Vanilla]

Anybody has any ideas on how .chr file references waypoints in .gr2 file?

[oscar19681]

Ok, I looked through the script. When diving - he just snaps through the hatch, walking through hatch happens only when surfacing. And unfortunately it is done as I thought - the char is teleported into the middle of the Control room and immediately plays the infamous SAILOR01_Go_through_hatch animation. The animation is so made that it immediately 'teleports' the char back almost to the original compartment and then he makes a move that appears as he just 'walked through the hatch', then make few steps forward and turns left - this is all one animation. While this animation is fine for going from bow to heck directions it does not work the other way round. It is impossible to make a char walk from control room through the hatch and to the captains cabin compartment. The other problem with it is that you need to teleport char to a waypoint at a predetermined dictance from the hatch.


But it can be used anyway in some cases like this one. Thanks!

I,m could swear i see him walking from the captains bunk to the ladder in the conning tower when i surface and back when i dive. Ill check this for you to make sure today.

[Vanilla]

I,m could swear i see him walking from the captains bunk to the ladder in the conning tower when i surface and back when i dive. Ill check this for you to make sure today.

That's what I meant. Sorry for not explaining it properly. When surfacing - he runs from the captains quarters to the hatch, 'walks the hatch', walks slightly past the stairs turns left aprox 120 degrees, take the stairs and 'climbs' (kinda). The problem now is when diving, just look at him, he gets down the ladder, walks to the hatch and teleports through it. That's because there is no animation for walking the hatch in the bow direction, only for heck-ward walk, that's why sobers made him teleport when diving. And even the existing animation doesn't exactly suit our needs because the sailor in it is not exactly walking the hatch - just look from the captain's quarters - and moreover after walking through the hatch he goes forward pre-determined distance no matter what and then turns left, so you should always adjust for this.
I have a couple of ideas how to mitigate this however there is hardly any probability they will work.

[Vanilla]

Ok, here is the instruction on how to use Granny Viewer to see all the available animations:
First thing you need to do is to download and install the GV. Installation is very simple and you can download the GV here (http://www.radgametools.com/down/Granny/gr2_viewer_setup.exe).

Once installing is finished open the GV and do this:

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Enjoy.

[oscar19681]

thanks for that very interessting.

[oscar19681]

What i would like to know is to be able to place certain characters outside of the u-boat pens to create more life in the harbours.

[Vanilla]

What i would like to know is to be able to place certain characters outside of the u-boat pens to create more life in the harbours.

For this you will need three things:
1. GR2 file with waypoints
2. CHR file with all the characters
3. Set of waypoints' behaviour files: waypoints_info*.txt, waypoints_edges*.txt, animations_info*.txt, bunker_crew.aix

First thing is to determine what is already there, I suggest you try to find GR2 files for the bunker and harbours first. Using GV you can see if and what waypoints already exist.

If there is no GR2 with waypoints for outside the bunker - we will have to create a new GR2 file with all the waypoints through hex-editing (unless privateer finally finishes his epic quest and comes up with an easier way to export into GR2) and I don't know yet if hex-creating a new file is possible at all since they are quite complicated, but I guess it can be done although it surely will not be easy thing to do. If there are some waypoints - we can try to use Paris_england method of copying the same set of waypoints (copying a existing GR2 file) and moving them through waypoints_info file.
Next thing is the CHR file with characters. If it doesn't exist - we can create one by hex-editing, it is not overly complicated and terrible, but I've had only very quick glance at it and I don't know its structure yet, we will have to work out how to do it first. I think Paris_england already knows how to work with this CHR files but I am not sure if he will give the information since he's away now so we have to do it ourselves.
Creation/editing of the behaviours files should be easy - there are quite a few suitable animations and you are not very much limited by cramped and complicated U-boat inner-structure which limits the animations that can be used.

NB: All the files that reference bunker often have BK letters somewhere in their name.
NBB: Look at the harbour expansion mod - I guess they use GR2 files we are looking for.

I am ready to help you in anyway I can.

[Vanilla]

A little tutorial how to delete and add characters to the boat or other places:

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I've forgotten to tell that you can leave most of the options as they are, you need to change only head, torso, legs, since if you don't choose all of them you will not see the character and if you choose just head - you will see only his head.

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Don't forget to back up old files and save the changes if you want to keep them!

What you are changing by doing this is the CHR file associated with GR2 which holds the actual model, hence you'll have to have a GR2 of the place and its waypoints if you want to have extra characters somewhere.

Enjoy!

[Vanilla]

I'll focus on adding new waypoints now.

[PL_Andrev]

Amazing work!
:salute: