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JapLance

03-25-11, 04:44 PM

Hi SH4ers,

A few weeks ago I contacted sidslotm about our interest for the British campaign that lurker created with WDAD.

Unfortunately, seems like lurker has given up SH4 modding, and the WDAD project was left unfinished, so after sidslotm created a couple of Singleplayer missions set in the Med, I had the idea of somehow build campaign layers to play a sub out of Malta. A lot of work was already there thanks to what lurker did in the first part of WDAD, but also a lot had to be added. I've sent a PM to lurker to get permission to use his layers, but I'm afraid there's no answer by now. In case he doesn't say a word, I'll have to make from scratch some of them myself (with a loss in quality I'm afraid, but there's no other option). The mod will run in SH4 1.5, on top of the original WDAD mod.

Little by little, reading a lot around the forums here, learning my way in the files of SH4, the Campaign is shaping up. At the start it was a 1941 campaign for a U-class sub out of Malta. By now it lets you use a U or a T-Class starting in Malta, Gibraltar or Alexandria from 1940 to 1943, with patrol zones all around the Mediterranean (from Sardinia up to Syria), and also Flying Carpet missions to bring supplies to Malta or landing Commandos in different spots of the enemy coast. You could even be ordered to transport Chariots to the surroundings of an Italian base.

I got permission from a few SH3 modders to build up the Italian Fleet, which until now had only in WDAD the Soldati Class Destroyers.

VonDos gave me permission to use his ships, which include the Duilio Battleship, and the Trento, Montecuccoli and Barbiano cruisers, as well as the San Giorgio Armoured cruiser and the Gradisca Hospital Ship.

While not 100% secure, because he has dissapeared from SH modding scene, Gerome_73 lends his Littorio-class Battleship Roma. I contacted the person who uploaded that ship to SubSim, and also someone who had recently asked him for a similar thing for one of his works. I'm confident that, as long as proper credit is given, there would be no problem in using it.

Then I've used a couple of ships already in WDAD to act as Italians. That includes a German TB to act as the Italian Torpedinieri, which are roughly similar to an allied DE, and also a Japanese Subchaser, for the Gabbiano class of corvettes. Also added to the Italian roster a few different merchant ships, to have variety.

Right now I'm also trying to contact the creators of the Baltic Mod to get permission to use the nice Zara class cruiser they did. In case that is not possible, the German Hipper is in WDAD and can be quite convincing as a Zara.

Of the main ships, the only class really lacking is proper fleet destroyers, which by now are only represented by the Soldati. If anyone is interested in doing extra DD classes, that would be very welcome.

I'd like to hear your opinions, comments and ideas, and when I have a Beta version, a few volunteers to test would be great. I will also probably ask you for help when I meet unknown stuff.

A few pics:

The Italian fleet at sea:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/Imagen4.jpg

T-Class boat setting sail from Alexandria:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/05LeavingAlexandriaBase.jpg

Patrol zones. The green lines separate the patrol areas for Gibraltar (Left), Malta (Center) and Alexandria (Center and Right)
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/PatrolZones.jpg

A Duilio-class battleship about to get into trouble:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/BBDuilio.jpg

Stormy weather off the Tunisian coast. That destroyer foundered two minutes after taking this screenshot.
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/TunisiancoastMarch1941.jpg

A Condottieri I-Class cruiser:
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/CLDaBarbiano.jpg

UPDATE: 29/7/2011 v2.5 released

Mirror 2: https://mega.nz/#!R0ogVKJL!oJ1ZSTko__M0Rqe3szrrXJAOyfT9UXRit1a2NsQ _h6E

Link to WDAD (mandatory download): http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170639

etheberge

03-25-11, 05:03 PM

Wow, looks very nice, looking forward to it.

jakla1027

03-25-11, 06:26 PM

Man oh man cant wait, sounds great! It'd be nice to try hunting Italian subs along with the rest of the Italian Fleet. Also it'd be interesting to be able to transfer to the Indian/Pacific Ocean later on in the campaign we things slowed down in the Mediterranian, like when Italy surrenders.

Nonetheless great start to a wonderful sounding campaign MOD please keep up the great work!!!:yeah:

sidslotm

03-26-11, 02:48 PM

Yeah, JapLance man on fire, excellent work, don't know how you do it, but keep it up.

sid

JapLance

03-27-11, 12:52 PM

Thanks for the comments, guys. I was going to do all this for me anyway, but knowing that someone else wants it as well is quite rewarding :yeah:.

Man oh man cant wait, sounds great! It'd be nice to try hunting Italian subs along with the rest of the Italian Fleet. Also it'd be interesting to be able to transfer to the Indian/Pacific Ocean later on in the campaign we things slowed down in the Mediterranian, like when Italy surrenders.

The plan is to add a few German and Italian subs on patrol and in and out of harbours randomly. I still would need to check how they are implemented in the original game or one of the big mods, but I think its doable, as German subs are already in WDAD, and Keltos did a nice Italian AI submarine that could be used. Anyway, it would be at a later stage. I've stopped work for a while, to see if Lurker says something about the PM I sent him.

The transfer to the IO is more problematic. There is a gap of about three-four months between the finishing of the Med campaign and the start of Lurker's WDAD, and I'm not sure on how to do it. Perhaps later on, but for now the idea is to focus on the Mediterranean, which I think is more intense.

JapLance

03-27-11, 01:00 PM

Another think I'd like to say is don't expect the level of excellence that other great campaigns offer. I'm a rookie in this, and learn as I'm writing here :DL

keltos01

03-28-11, 03:30 AM

The plan is to add a few German and Italian subs on patrol and in and out of harbours randomly. I still would need to check how they are implemented in the original game or one of the big mods, but I think its doable, as German subs are already in WDAD, and Keltos did a nice Italian AI submarine that could be used.

you are more than welcome to use it, as it was intended for Sidslotm and a med campaign for the U/T class boat.

regards

keltos

JapLance

03-28-11, 06:55 AM

you are more than welcome to use it, as it was intended for Sidslotm and a med campaign for the U/T class boat.

regards

keltos

Thank you Keltos, that's great news :up:.

I've just made a quick layer with a few submarines, both German and Italian, mainly for testing purposes. Anyway, they are hard to meet in that big sea, but at least gives you another thing to worry about (and also another target :D).

Krauter

03-28-11, 12:06 PM

Another possibility is to use some of the Italian models from sh5

JapLance

03-29-11, 02:42 AM

Another possibility is to use some of the Italian models from sh5

Hi Krauter,

some of VonDos models for SH3 are actually SH5 models converted. I'm sure the Trento, Barbiano and Montecuccoli cruisers come from SH5. Don't know if there are any other Italian models in SH5 that could be ported to SH3/4.

HMCS

03-30-11, 04:41 PM

THIS is one of the mods I've been waiting for....

JapLance

04-02-11, 06:06 AM

Any suggestions for a cool name for the campaign :arrgh!:?

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/Splash.jpg

Kaleun

04-02-11, 11:27 AM

As the RN is known as the silent service why not;

"The Silent Wolves" or "The Silent Service"

or as the submarines that were based at Malta were part of the 10th flotilla why not

"The Mighty 10th" or "The Fighting Tenth" or

The Royal Navy's motto : "Si vis pacem, para bellum" - "If you wish for peace, prepare for war"

Kaleun

Egan

04-02-11, 11:39 AM

I've been thinking about digging SH4 back out again recently - this might well sway me! looks great!

HMCS

04-02-11, 03:02 PM

Any suggestions for a cool name for the campaign :arrgh!:?

"Above Us, The Waves".

rein1705

04-02-11, 11:15 PM

"the Med campaign" a bit dull...
"Tea is fot torpedos" ?
"adu you ladies of Greece? too long...
"The Itilian job" XD

sidslotm

04-04-11, 02:18 PM

"the Italian Job":rotfl2: I love this one.

Sledgehammer427

04-04-11, 02:35 PM

I vote for The Italian Job!

YOU'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BLOW THE BLOODY DOORS OFF!

rein1705

04-04-11, 03:18 PM

The Itilian Job!
That has a great ring to it :arrgh!:

sidslotm

04-06-11, 01:27 AM

Yeah, if only we could get Michael Cain to do some voice overs, lol. The Italian job does have a ring to, like it.

YOU'RE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BLOW THE BLOODY DOORS OFF!

keltos01

04-06-11, 02:56 AM

Historically :

The Battle of the Mediterranean was the name given to the naval campaign fought in the Mediterranean Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea) during World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), from 10 June 1940-2 May 1945.
For the most part, the campaign was fought between the Italian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Italy_%281861-1946%29) Royal Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regia_Marina) (Regia Marina (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regia_Marina)), supported by other Axis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_Powers) naval and air forces, and the British (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) Royal Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy), supported by other Allied (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies) naval forces, such as Australia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia), Netherlands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands), Poland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland) and Greece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece). U.S. naval and air units joined the Allied side in 1942.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Mediterranean

Even thought it sounds more dull than "the Italian Job" ;)

keltos

MGR1

04-06-11, 08:33 AM

How about "One of our Submarines"? - http://www.amazon.co.uk/One-Submarines-Sword-Military-Classics/dp/1844151069

Has a nice ring to it, and still applies if the campaign expands to other theatres.

Mike.:)

joegrundman

04-06-11, 09:20 AM

yes, i like "one of our submarines"

but i also thought "the knights of malta" has a cinematic ring to it

Karle94

04-06-11, 10:16 AM

What about Mare Nostrum?

JapLance

04-06-11, 10:37 AM

What about Mare Nostrum?

The ones around my head are along this line: Prowling Mare Nostrum or Strangling Mare Nostrum :arrgh!:.

Jan Kyster

04-07-11, 03:23 AM

We strive for historical accuracy, right? :D

Then I'm with Keltos and would like to add another vote for: Battle of the Mediterranean
Historically :

The Battle of the Mediterranean was the name given to the naval campaign fought in the Mediterranean Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea) during World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), from 10 June 1940-2 May 1945.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Mediterranean

But you guys rule! :up: And rocks!! :rock:

JapLance

04-08-11, 03:45 AM

In order to solve the lack of Italian escorts, I've added the Turbine Class Destroyers with my meager S3D skills (starting from a V-W Class DD).

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/TurbineClassDD.jpg

Also deleted one stack from the German Torpedoboat to resemble a Spica Class TB, and gave her a more Italian look:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/SpicaClassTB.jpg

Affront7

04-08-11, 10:04 AM

Really looking forward to this, The DD and TB look fantastic, especially the camouflage scheme on the Spica.

Cheers for all the work put into this Japlance

Kaleun

04-08-11, 03:00 PM

naval porn! (Sorry, stuff for me to sink!)

JapLance

04-11-11, 03:47 AM

:rock: SOM Group agreed to let me use their Zara Class Cruiser and Dunkerque Battlecruiser from the Battle for the Baltic Mod

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/Zaraclass-01.jpg

The bad news is that, after three weeks, I got no reply from Lurker, so that means that I will have to create new layers for Italian and neutral shipping and the docked ships, and remake some of the convoys to North Africa.

A Beta version will have to wait a bit longer.

JapLance

04-12-11, 04:08 AM

The bad news is that, after three weeks, I got no reply from Lurker, so that means that I will have to create new layers for Italian and neutral shipping and the docked ships, and remake some of the convoys to North Africa.

A Beta version will have to wait a bit longer.

Well, there's good news again :yeah:.

Kaleun contacted Lurker through another forum, and he gave permission to use his original work in WDAD.

Thanks to both of you :salute:.

I also got a copy of One of our submarines from the mail this morning (and a DRM-free SH3 copy), so I have some reading to do now :ping:.

JapLance

04-20-11, 04:55 AM

While I'm right now in the middle of enjoying One of our Submarines, I've found this for possible purchase:

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/d0/8a/4334c0a398a0e1ff04fbf110.L._SL500_AA240_.jpg
Submarine Torbay

Since Torbay spent a great part of her career in the Mediterranean, I thought it could be an interesting read. Has anybody here read it?

I've just found out that in www.uboat.net there are patrol reports of UK submarines as well (sadly, the only ones I've found online), so I'm making a few additions to the patrol areas and target selection, as well as some more convoy routes.

I've also found, after adding a number of messages to messages.txt and deleting most of the Pacific ones, that now it doesn't work properly. Probably a format problem. Has anybody more info about this file?.

Then I have a question for keltos01. You did a version of the T-Class with the three rear firing tubes (the Dutch Zwaardvisch), but I think it is not compatible with the 10-forward tubes version. Is it possible to have it reworked so they can both be eligible in the campaign?.

Jan Kyster

04-20-11, 06:51 AM

I've just found out that in www.uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net) there are patrol reports of UK submarines as well...http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/smilies/spike.gif what?! where more precisely? I'm going blind here...

Messages.txt I've always found easiest to work with in a spreadsheet, like Excel. Import textfile and once finished, just export as tab-formatted text.

If you want me to look at your messages.txt, please upload somewhere.

Don't know that specific book, but thanks for the heads-up :up:

You may also enjoy "Unbroken" by Mars and "The History of the British U-Class Submarine" by Walters...

markdenny

04-20-11, 07:49 AM

You could also try CRASH DIVE in action with H.M.S.SAFARI :D

JapLance

04-20-11, 08:31 AM

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/smilies/spike.gif what?! where more precisely? I'm going blind here...

Try here: http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/types.html?navy=HMS&type=Submarine

There are snippets, not close to all of them, but something at least. Some T-Class boats also have a nice Googlemap thing with some of their positions during patrols. Check HMS Torbay (http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/3498.html), here is where I found the reference to that book.

Messages.txt I've always found easiest to work with in a spreadsheet, like Excel. Import textfile and once finished, just export as tab-formatted text.

If you want me to look at your messages.txt, please upload somewhere.

This is what I did, but then they don't show up ingame. I'll try to upload the file later and send you a PM with the link, thanks for the offer :up:.

Don't know that specific book, but thanks for the heads-up :up:

You may also enjoy "Unbroken" by Mars and "The History of the British U-Class Submarine" by Walters...

:yeah: I'll keep those names for later on.

You could also try CRASH DIVE in action with H.M.S.SAFARI

And that one too. Thanks

keltos01

04-20-11, 09:27 AM

While I'm right now in the middle of enjoying One of our Submarines, I've found this for possible purchase:

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/d0/8a/4334c0a398a0e1ff04fbf110.L._SL500_AA240_.jpg
Submarine Torbay

Since Torbay spent a great part of her career in the Mediterranean, I thought it could be an interesting read. Has anybody here read it?

I've just found out that in www.uboat.net (http://www.uboat.net) there are patrol reports of UK submarines as well (sadly, the only ones I've found online), so I'm making a few additions to the patrol areas and target selection, as well as some more convoy routes.

I've also found, after adding a number of messages to messages.txt and deleting most of the Pacific ones, that now it doesn't work properly. Probably a format problem. Has anybody more info about this file?.

Then I have a question for keltos01. You did a version of the T-Class with the three rear firing tubes (the Dutch Zwaardvisch), but I think it is not compatible with the 10-forward tubes version. Is it possible to have it reworked so they can both be eligible in the campaign?.

I'd have to remap ids and all, it's basically two versions of the same sub.

I'll think about it, but you already have the U and T ...

and the 11th tube causes CTD when using the TBT, never could fathom why because it works in the scope view.

keltos

JapLance

04-20-11, 09:58 AM

I'd have to remap ids and all, it's basically two versions of the same sub.

I'll think about it, but you already have the U and T ...

and the 11th tube causes CTD when using the TBT, never could fathom why because it works in the scope view.

keltos

OK, keltos. Thanks for the explanation.

Don't worry about it, it is probably a problem with the game rather than the submarine. I'll leave as it is, with the 10-forward tubes version.

Jan Kyster

04-20-11, 02:50 PM

Try here: http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/types.html?navy=HMS&type=SubmarineAh, now I'm at ease again.
Those are not patrol reports. These are patrol reports: http://wwiiarchives.net/servlet/documents/usa/100/0
Original documents photographed/scanned and uploaded.

Guess I'll still have to visit the National Archives then... :D

I can't see any errors in your messages.txt?? :hmmm:

Perhaps SH4 simply dislike the use of "MEDFLEET"?? :doh:

JapLance

04-23-11, 01:27 AM

Initial post updated with a download link to v.100.

Please, make your complaints in a polite way :D.

I can't see any errors in your messages.txt??

Perhaps SH4 simply dislike the use of "MEDFLEET"??

No idea. I don't understand why it won't work. This is something that worries me a lot, because the state of the war in North Africa dictated where did the convoys go to, and this is a very important info in our context.

jakla1027

04-23-11, 06:36 AM

Initial post updated with a download link to v.100.

Please, make your complaints in a polite way :D.

No idea. I don't understand why it won't work. This is something that worries me a lot, because the state of the war in North Africa dictated where did the convoys go to, and this is a very important info in our context.

Your download is now up SWEET!!!!!!!!!! Dling now

Thanks

jakla1027

04-23-11, 11:33 AM

KING111

04-23-11, 05:47 PM

Thanks m8 i have been waiting for this great work:yeah::yeah:

SS-0 Sub-Zero

04-24-11, 06:50 AM

i've been waiting for this! It would be better if someone can create the RN sub operation in Atlantic and North sea, by the way, is it OM compatible?:yeah:

KING111

04-24-11, 09:43 AM

in my Generic mod enabler i just have
WDAD_V100
Med campaign
and it all works great no problems
i did try it with the WDAD_V100_patch
But it crashed at start up so i just use
WDAD_V100 and the med campaign
together :up::up::up::up::up:

JapLance

04-24-11, 12:54 PM

Just played my first war patrol from Malta-june 1940 with a U-class, sank a frieghter & missed two tankers:damn:

Played great, no bugs to report thus far.

Only thing i noticed was that for June in the Med. off tripoli thier was heavy fog for several days stright. Is this normal & is thier even a way to fix this? If not i understand.

Great work nonetheless:yeah:

I'm sorry, I just don't have an answer on this, as I have no idea on how is the weather handled. Perhaps someone with the right knowledge can put his wisdom on the table.

i've been waiting for this! It would be better if someone can create the RN sub operation in Atlantic and North sea, by the way, is it OM compatible?:yeah:

It has not been tested on OM. Requirements for this campaign are SH4 patched to v1.5 and WDAD by lurker_hlb3

in my Generic mod enabler i just have
WDAD_V100
Med campaign
and it all works great no problems
i did try it with the WDAD_V100_patch
But it crashed at start up so i just use
WDAD_V100 and the med campaign
together :up::up::up::up::up:

I'll have to test this a bit more. I copied the patch over the 1.00 version of WDAD because it was a very minor update, and then over this I worked on the campaign.

The order of enabling should be WDAD, then WDAD patch and lastly this campaign.

Thank you all for your comments. They are invaluable.

Kaleun

04-24-11, 02:08 PM

hi,

Works fine with the WDAD and patch 1 for me - if this helps.

KING111

04-24-11, 02:52 PM

sorry all i must have done somthing wrong
the first time i tried the patch again and it works ok:up::up:

JapLance

04-26-11, 04:29 AM

EDITED.

Solved with version 2.00.

Kaleun

04-26-11, 11:41 AM

Hi,

The Dynamic mission update is unavailable in the link given; have you deleted it already??

Kaleun

Kaleun

04-26-11, 11:48 AM

Ignore my last post - the file is available now:yeah:

HMCS

04-28-11, 02:46 PM

To quote one of my least favorite people of any age - Lawrence Welk:

"Wunnerful, wunnerful"....

Thanks for all the hard work!

I'm goin' down

04-28-11, 06:25 PM

I am coming into this late in the game, so to speak. What is WDAD? Is this mod ready or just being tested? What are required downloads? I have mult-sh4. Should I set up a new game for this mod?

deceptiboat

04-28-11, 07:41 PM

WDAD= We Dive At Dawn
more detail here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170639

diesel97

05-01-11, 06:43 PM

Installed ok & stable so far. Nice to have an RN Med career.

JapLance

05-04-11, 03:01 PM

I met an enemy sub for the first time. It is the Italian Adua by Keltos01, and she looked like this:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/SSAdua.jpg

That gun looks a bit off :haha:.

Can this be easily fixed? I looked at the equipment file and there is a 105mm gun linked to node M02, but there is no M02 node I could find in the .dat file :o, so I'm lost.

JapLance

05-05-11, 07:22 AM

Another question, this time about the campaign set-up.

In mid-42 the 1st Flotilla moved from Alexandria to Beirut due to Rommel forces advancing to El Alamein. Also in late 42 the subs based in Gibraltar moved to Algiers, saving a good number of miles in and out of base.

Which is the best way to do that?

For instance, the move to Algiers. At first I created a new flotilla with a single base, but then realised that adding a second base to the already existent flotilla seemed to work the same.

The stock game uses the second method (when Asiatic Fleet moves from Manila to Surabaja first and then Fremantle), but I'd like to hear opinions about possible problems using either one or the other.

JapLance

05-05-11, 11:25 AM

I just realised that I hadn't credited keltos01 in the readme for his Italian submarine.

Sorry mate :damn:. It's been corrected.

keltos01

05-05-11, 01:03 PM

I just realised that I hadn't credited keltos01 in the readme for his Italian submarine.

Sorry mate :damn:. It's been corrected.

:)

AI Adua Type 600 italian submarine

3d model isn't mine though :

JU_88's Tipo 600 submarine

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170639&highlight=adua+submarine&page=18 post 268

keltos

peabody

05-05-11, 02:42 PM

I met an enemy sub for the first time. It is the Italian Adua by Keltos01, and she looked like this:

That gun looks a bit off :haha:.

Can this be easily fixed? I looked at the equipment file and there is a 105mm gun linked to node M02, but there is no M02 node I could find in the .dat file :o, so I'm lost.

Yes, easily fixed, Just add an M02 nodes just like the M01 node, then position it.

Peabody

JapLance

05-06-11, 02:27 AM

:)

AI Adua Type 600 italian submarine

3d model isn't mine though :

JU_88's Tipo 600 submarine

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170639&highlight=adua+submarine&page=18 post 268

keltos

:up:

Yes, easily fixed, Just add an M02 nodes just like the M01 node, then position it.

Peabody

Thanks, Peabody, but it didn't work. Now I have two guns, the M02 105mm one correctly positioned, and the previous one (a 3in perhaps?) that is still in the same odd place.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/SSAdua2.jpg

Apart from the .eqp file, is there any other way to put a gun on a submarine?

EDIT:Found the culprit: it is a 37mm gun, and the node was in the conning tower dat, not in the submarine. NULLified it in the .eqp file and ready to go :rock:.

JU_88

05-06-11, 04:51 AM

Still recyling those old GWX 2.0 modles?
I have updated versions I can send you if you want. send me a PM.
T-class is incomplete though, I just havent the the time or energy for it, Knee deep in too many other projects at the moment.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll118/v11cu96/tclass-1.jpg

Work to be done - Textures incomplete, loads more 3d assets needed on the Bridge or it will look bare and crappy in game.
Need hand rails, scopes, radar & radio masts & cables at the absolute minimum (though they had alot more bridge equipment than that).
Needs 20mm Flak gun, plus optional 2 Vickers MG mounted on sides of Bridge (with very limited firing arc)
Deck gun needs placing in the forward turret, you can pinch guns from the Fleet boats but I expect they will look rather fugly and slap-dash.
Aft, the subs need Dive planes and Propellers.

But if you are prepared to put the effort im, you are welcome to the mesh, sorry I can't do any more on it atm. Ive not touched the model since 2009 lol. I guess having a child kinda got in the way.

I stongly recommend you do not filp the 2 aft tubes to face forward if you can help it. the model above is a Group 3 T-class, Group - 1 had the two forwards firing tube amid ships, but the design of the sub looked TOTALLY different to the Group 3.

keltos01

05-06-11, 09:24 AM

[QUOTE=JU_88;1658022]Still recyling those old GWX 2.0 modles?

lol ;)

I have updated versions I can send you if you want. send me a PM.

will do !
T-class is incomplete though, I just havent the the time or energy for it, Knee deep in too many other projects at the moment.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll118/v11cu96/tclass-1.jpg

Work to be done - Textures incomplete, loads more 3d assets needed on the Bridge or it will look bare and crappy in game.
Need hand rails, scopes, radar & radio masts & cables at the absolute minimum (though they had alot more bridge equipment than that).
Needs 20mm Flak gun, plus optional 2 Vickers MG mounted on sides of Bridge (with very limited firing arc)
Deck gun needs placing in the forward turret, you can pinch guns from the Fleet boats but I expect they will look rather fugly and slap-dash.
Aft, the subs need Dive planes and Propellers.

But if you are prepared to put the effort im, you are welcome to the mesh, sorry I can't do any more on it atm. Ive not touched the model since 2009 lol. I guess having a child kinda got in the way.

I stongly recommend you do not filp the 2 aft tubes to face forward if you can help it.
:oops:

the model above is a Group 3 T-class, Group - 1 had the two forwards firing tube amid ships, but the design of the sub looked TOTALLY different to the Group 3.

understood ! :salute:

keltos

JapLance

05-06-11, 11:07 AM

That T-Class looks great, JU_88, but unfortunately I'm rubbish at 3D modeling. For the moment we will have to carry on with what we have, which looks good enough for me :yeah:.

JU_88

05-06-11, 11:51 AM

@ Japlance... well I can try to finish it, but I cant promise that I wont have a nervouse break down in the process :D ... Im spending whay too much time in front of 3ds atm.
Japlance do you want an updated Adua sub? How about a MAS 21 torpeedo boat. plus i got a bout a dozen ATO aircraft, just drop me PM and Ill send you wnat ever you want.

@ Keltos You have some 3d knowlege under belt dont you mate? (edit* nevermind - just got your PM bud :) )
By the way I wansn't having a go at you about the tubes thing, its fine from a gameplay point of view, i was just thinking in terms of historical accuracy and all. ;)

TopcatWA

05-06-11, 05:23 PM

Great Campiagn Mod. Thanks for the effort.:up:

JapLance

05-07-11, 03:31 AM

@ Japlance... well I can try to finish it, but I cant promise that I wont have a nervouse break down in the process :D ... Im spending whay too much time in front of 3ds atm.
Japlance do you want an updated Adua sub? How about a MAS 21 torpeedo boat. plus i got a bout a dozen ATO aircraft, just drop me PM and Ill send you wnat ever you want.

Thanks, mate. Sent you a PM.

Grateful to all the good comments. Any suggestions, complaints, impressions, stories... whatever, post in this thread :yeah:.

Affront7

05-07-11, 07:31 AM

JapLance

05-07-11, 12:06 PM

wonderful mod thanks for all the hard work :)

Will you be adding British S-class subs to this at all?

Only problem I've been having is the sometimes the save game won't load but believe might be due to ATI graphics driver/settings.
Only mods are WDAD, WDAD patch then the Med mod

Cheers :)

Hopefully someone someday will create a S-Class sub, but no, for the moment it is not in the plans. You can use the early T-Class and the U-Class.

No idea about your problem with saved games. I have never had a problem with them, but I'm using an NVIDIA card. I've had random crashes to desk while running the campaign, but I have them as well with the stock game sometimes, so I'm not very worried about it.

sidslotm

05-09-11, 11:33 AM

Hi JL,

thanks for the MED campaign, amazing work.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/user/sidslotm

ju 88 updated T Class v1.1

keltos01

05-09-11, 12:44 PM

Hi JL,

thanks for the MED campaign, amazing work.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/user/sidslotm

ju 88 updated T Class v1.1

he sent it to you??

I had offered to finish it, having implemented his first model... :(

keltos

JU_88

05-09-11, 01:41 PM

he sent it to you??

I had offered to finish it, having implemented his first model... :(

keltos

No keltos I sent the model to you (and only you) in 3ds format about 20 mins ago at the time of writing.
I dont know what Sidslot has sent in that link but that aint it.
Scared me for a second though Lmao.

keltos01

05-09-11, 02:55 PM

got it :)

thanks !

keltos

JU_88

05-09-11, 03:14 PM

No probs- and really thank you for taking it on. I look forward to see it in game:)
I think now that SideslotM has provided an update to the orginal T-class in your mod, but im not clear on what he has changed.
Sorry for gettting my wires crossed, too much coffee today :doh:

sidslotm

05-10-11, 12:53 AM

keltos01

05-10-11, 02:33 AM

sorry fella's

did't mean to create a confusion here. This is the older version of the T Class by JU88, but it's still worth a look and a very good model. All I did was tidy up some little issues is all, also a new paint skin on. Hope your ok with that, original docs are still with JU88's work

OK ! but the version you shipped was an improvement over the one I released, improvements are good ! :yeah:

let's see about this new model now... ;)

keltos

sidslotm

05-10-11, 03:28 AM

Hi Keltos

OK

let's see about this new model now

if you need any help, let me know

keltos01

05-10-11, 04:10 AM

Hi Keltos

OK

if you need any help, let me know

I will !

keltos01

05-10-11, 04:25 AM

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3008/49346038.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/171/49346038.jpg/)

The new T by JU_88

:yeah:

Better one good looking boat than a bunch of them !

JU_88

05-10-11, 04:41 AM

Oops it already look like the smoothing groups need fixing. how did I not see that ? lol.

JapLance

05-11-11, 11:24 AM

JU_88 sent me a new Adua class sub and a MAS boat. I'm spent some time toying with the MAS boat last night, but probably will need someone who can convert it into a .dat file for SH4. My 3D editing skills really stink :har:.

To cure my depression with my 3D fiasco, I've edited the crew of the T-Class boat. It was a bit overcrowded in my opinion, with almost 80 souls packed in there. I've reduced the crew to sixty-three, and also reduced the number of specialists:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/TCrew.jpg

This way you will have to move crew to the damage control team or the guns :rotfl2:. It is not tested yet. Comments anyone?

Moving on to something else, lurking in the UBI forums, I found this thread by dgrayson:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6421019045/m/9841098976

with a good number of British songs of the era, as well as BBC broadcasts. The original links are dead, but there is a working link in the last post. I won't use it myself, but if anyone's for some good WW2 atmosphere... :D.

sidslotm

05-12-11, 07:41 AM

Hi JL,

This way you will have to move crew to the damage control team or the guns

This is a great idea and should be included in my opinion, if you complete the work, please do it for the TClass, or send me details.

British Campaign is still working, heh, and should be at a test stage soon. I'm a bit of a slow worker and need to get out quite a bit else I get still crazy. I can't help thinking about the poor humans sitting there day after day creating games in offices year in year out, I recon the Ubi devs must have burned themselfs out creating SH5.

JU-88's new TClass looks sooo coool, can't wait, it'll be like some one giving me a new car, heh, happy days...........sid

JapLance

05-13-11, 03:10 AM

Hi JL,

This way you will have to move crew to the damage control team or the guns

This is a great idea and should be included in my opinion, if you complete the work, please do it for the TClass, or send me details.

I'll probably do it for both sub classes, as the U-class is also a bit packed with sailors. Work for this deals with editing the sub and the conning tower .UPC files. Quite simple, but a bit boring.

And finally, after a good number of hours, I found what was going wrong with the messages. Now they finally know how to find their way to your sub radio :haha:. Another tedious job to do :rotfl2:.

sidslotm

05-13-11, 04:59 AM

And finally, after a good number of hours, I found what was going wrong with the messages. Now they finally know how to find their way to your sub radio

This is soooo good to, how do do it please?

Jan Kyster

05-13-11, 05:42 AM

And finally, after a good number of hours, I found what was going wrong with the messages...Oh, please tell what it was! Very curious here! :D

JapLance

05-13-11, 10:33 AM

This is soooo good to, how do do it please?

Oh, please tell what it was! Very curious here! :D

My mistake was as simple as forgetting one of the fields indicated in the top of messages.txt.

Right before the proper message there should be a field like this: [INVOLVED SHIPS,INVOLVED SHIPS]. It wasn't in my file, because I took the original message.txt as a template, and in that file there is nothing there :hmmm:. I don't know exactly why, the original works but mine didn't (maybe it is related to the use of tabulators, I'm not sure).

I just added [..] to all messages and then started to receive them in my boat.

Jan Kyster

05-13-11, 11:34 AM

...there should be a field like this: [INVOLVED SHIPS,INVOLVED SHIPS].

I just added [..] to all messages and then started to receive them in my boat.:88) :doh: :damn:

But of course! Easy and obvious to see now, but I'll be darned if it could be spotted during pre-view. :nope:

Great find! And a very important one! :up:

sidslotm

05-15-11, 05:24 AM

This boy is good :cool:, send him a ceegar some1:rock:

JapLance

05-21-11, 09:51 AM

I spent this morning toying with the really really beautiful Italian MAS boat that JU_88 sent me a few days ago:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/Ju88MAS21.jpg

Scale may not be 100% accurate, but at least I got it to show inside the game. No textures show up in the boat though. Strangely, the torpedoes show some texture which I'd say that wasn't in the 3DS file he sent me :o.

JapLance

05-21-11, 10:47 AM

And now with textures!!!! :rotfl2:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/Ju88MAS21_textured.jpg

She looks much better now, despite the strange-looking torpedoes :haha:.

JU_88

05-21-11, 01:35 PM

The torpeedos were Sh3 models used as place holders - i never mapped or skinned them, I can fix this for you if you want.
Bascially need a seperate skin for the torpedos and they need to be assigned a different MAT ID
Looking nice though - thanks for importing :up:

Jan Kyster

05-21-11, 02:37 PM

I don't like motor boats... :nope:

Way too small to waste a torpedo on - too fast and high floating anyway - and you certainly don't want to start a fight with one either.
Always forces us to dive and hide... :nope:

But she's looking very good! :up:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/Ju88MAS21_textured.jpg

Snip from wiki:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/MAScamo.jpg

Nice add-on! :salute:

keltos01

05-22-11, 02:25 AM

wow, what's that ? the model sure looks accurate ! :yeah:

keltos

JU_88

05-22-11, 04:34 AM

You can give her a heavier flak, Im sure one of the DDs offer some kind of 2cm quad configuration you can use.
Also dont forget the MAS had a solitary depth charge Rack ont he stern for ASW duties, though im gessing she will need DD AI to use them.

JapLance

05-22-11, 05:06 AM

wow, what's that ? the model sure looks accurate ! :yeah:

keltos

Courtesy of JU_88. Amazing :yeah:.

You can give her a heavier flak, Im sure one of the DDs offer some kind of 2cm quad configuration you can use.
Also dont forget the MAS had a solitary depth charge Rack ont he stern for ASW duties, though im gessing she will need DD AI to use them.

Yes, those shots were when I got it into the game (I was so happy :D). It now has a DC rack astern. I wonder if they were ever equipped with some kind of hydrophones (don't think they ever got an active sonar). Other motorboats in the game don't have any ASW detection systems.

I've set a layer for them (and German S-boote) to randomly appear in certain areas at night. I guess it could be a nasty surprise to be in the surface at night to recharge batteries and meet a group of these bitches at short range running at you at 40 knots.

kiwi_2005

05-22-11, 05:10 AM

reinstalling SH4 :rock:

JU_88

05-22-11, 08:57 AM

Hey Japlance - (or anyone) can MTBs and DD's launch torpedos in SH4? Im pretty sure they couldnt in stock, but im not sure if anyone modded it. I know aircraft can drop them so Im not sure..

JapLance

05-22-11, 09:35 AM

I don't think so. I used the Vosper by Sergbuto as a guide to import the MAS, and in the equipment files he used a VirtualTorpedo in a M01 node. I added one in the MAS, but I have no idea whether it works or not.

But I can confirm that set as patrol craft, after adding a hydrophone, they search for you and drop depthcharges.

JapLance

05-26-11, 01:48 PM

A brief report to bump the thread a bit :har:.

I think I'm finished with JU_88's MAS. I gave some textures to the torpedoes using a 3D program I'm slowly learning to use. Here's the result:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/MAS-01jpg.jpg

A couple of days ago I decided to make a test, to see what was I capable of with the 3D editor. I took a Kent Class Cruiser in WDAD and tried to convert it into a Spanish Canarias Class cruiser. Removed the bridge, added a new funnel, changed a few things, and then had a long fight with S3D and SH4 to make it work. It's been a two-day fight, but I'm proud of the results:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/SP_CA_Canarias-01.jpg

It won't be in the mod because I have no idea about who the author of the original Kent is (it is not stock), but it opens the way for me to try to rework some other ships.

Also in the last hours I found a nice Italian WW1 vintage destroyer in the FOTRS mod, and received permission to use it, with one inconvenient: they are not the real creators of the ship. They reworked it but can't remember who is the author. The ship folder is called NDASirtori, if anybody knows something about that matter, I'd like to ask before adding it to the download.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/TBPirlo-Class.jpg

I checked a few webs, and there were about 20 of these old WW1 destroyers doing escort and ASW duties in the Mediterranean. I'd really like to have them in the campaign.

sidslotm

05-27-11, 03:56 PM

Some really nice ships on sale here, will there be a upgrade pack for Med campaign? Can't wait for the new boat T Class that Keltos has in dry dock.:yeah:

sid

JapLance

05-28-11, 04:39 AM

Some really nice ships on sale here, will there be a upgrade pack for Med campaign? Can't wait for the new boat T Class that Keltos has in dry dock.:yeah:

sid

When everything is ready, there will be a new download that will substitute the previous one. You will have to delete the old folder and install the new one.

Unfortunately, due to the number of changes made, that will probably render previous saved games useless. Take it into account if you have a long career.

JapLance

06-02-11, 02:53 PM

Updated initial post with download link for v2.00.

Any feedback or comments welcome.

seaplate hitman

06-02-11, 10:26 PM

I expect it very much!

I fought IJN in Pacific and played OM in Atlantic. Surely in the India Ocean, I completed U-boat Mission.
I looking forward to become a British Campain in Mediterranean:salute:

Thanks for your hard work! Good work!:yeah:

dyshman

06-03-11, 11:30 AM

JapLance

06-03-11, 01:31 PM

hi,guys! its much time left since i working on my japanese Type C submarine. comrade keltos remembers me, i hope. unfortunately, my windows breakedown destroyed my work :wah: after it i passed my exams and had no time to continue. now i have more free time before my real work will start. i have a plan to create Odin/Parthian/Rainbow class submarines. they had similar characteristics, and i think that i can create odin-class and add some improvments to gain Parthian&Rainbow classes. i would like to ask you, will you add it to your mod after i will finish my work?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odin_class_submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthian_class_submarine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_class_submarine

Most British submarines in the first six months of the war in the Mediterranean were of these classes. They suffered heavy losses, and had to be replaced by the better known U and S boats, but still the survivors of the early onslaught were important in keeping Malta supplied throughout the dark days of 1941-42.

They would be a nice addition to the campaign, and of course I would add them, but only if they are in the form of a SH4 playable sub. Unfortunately, creating subs out of 3D models is out of my reach.

dyshman

06-03-11, 02:55 PM

of course, all submarines will be playable. i'm mantain good relations with SOM group, which created Battle for the Baltic mod, Dagon had learned me how to make 3d models and make them playable. i have only questions about campaign of your mod: can we add campaign layers from OM, for example? readme file says that this is not historical campaign, i would like to add it to the Med campaign, of course, we need permission to do it.

JapLance

06-04-11, 12:37 AM

Hi dyshman,

of course, all submarines will be playable. i'm mantain good relations with SOM group, which created Battle for the Baltic mod, Dagon had learned me how to make 3d models and make them playable

Excellent :yeah:. You can bet that I'd love to have all those sub classes in the Mediterranean campaign then. With those three, the U-Class by Dagon and the T-Class that Keltos is reworking from the JU_88 model, the only important British class missing in SH4 will be the S-class boat.

i have only questions about campaign of your mod: can we add campaign layers from OM, for example? readme file says that this is not historical campaign, i would like to add it to the Med campaign, of course, we need permission to do it.

On my side there is no problem. You can take the campaign and tweak it and twist it as you please. My intention has always been to spark enough interest to lure the real good modders into this. I'm just an amateur here.

One thing about OM layers: they are included in WDAD, as lurker_hlb3 had planned to expand the mod with Atlantic and Mediterranean campaigns, but the ones for the Mediterranean (the only part I checked) start only when the U-boote went there at the end of 1941. There is nothing before that date.

Also, the Axis side of things was probably added just to give some flavour to the German campaign, and didn't look as historical as, for example, the British convoys and naval operations. Not surprising, as until now there were no other Italian warships for SH4 than the Soldatis, and also because in a campaign what you really need well done is enemy traffic, not friendly. I've done something similar now, minimizing the Allied units and traffic.

Stevetry

06-04-11, 09:30 PM

what do i need for this mod ?

JapLance

06-04-11, 10:51 PM

It is explained in the readme file, but to make it simple, you need We Dive at Dawn mod+patch

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170639

enabled right before activating the campaign through JSGME.

seaplate hitman

06-07-11, 12:06 AM

I cannot make a download . The link is not available now,so I beg you can do me a favor!

JapLance

06-07-11, 05:52 AM

The link works fine in my browser. Anyone else having problems?

seaplate hitman

06-07-11, 09:15 PM

Maybe this is a country netweb forbidden . I am very sorry, can you make a download link in subsim?

Mikemike47

06-07-11, 09:22 PM

Maybe this is a country netweb forbidden . I am very sorry, can you make a download link in subsim?

Filefront and gamefront links worked fine at 4pm (EST) for this download link.

Brewster

06-08-11, 11:47 AM

Maybe this is a country netweb forbidden . I am very sorry, can you make a download link in subsim?

Where is "This county"?

JapLance

06-08-11, 03:43 PM

I just tested the download links for WDAD and the Med campaign again and all three worked flawlessly.

I am very sorry, can you make a download link in subsim?

I have no idea on how to do it. I've downloaded a lot of things, but I guess you need some kind of authorization to upload something, so for the moment that's not a viable option.

Sorry.

JapLance

06-08-11, 03:47 PM

BTW, you skippers will have to update your recognition manuals with a new enemy vessel:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/Recognitionbook.jpg

seaplate hitman

06-08-11, 11:58 PM

version 2.0 I can not make a download

seaplate hitman

06-09-11, 12:00 AM

Where is "This county"?
RPC

JapLance

06-09-11, 01:41 AM

version 2.0 I can not make a download

I've added a couple of mirrors in the first post. If you can't get it from there, there is nothing else I can do.

seaplate hitman

06-09-11, 08:41 PM

Thanks a lot for you kindly help!:salute:

Brewster

06-09-11, 09:03 PM

RPC

Full name?

TLAM Strike

06-09-11, 09:09 PM

I just installed this, I don't play SH4 much since I found the stock game so unchanging and unrealistic but I love this mod! :up:

I think I just got killed by a circle runner in my 'T' class boat near Tripoli. I was was aiming at a 7000 ton tanker in a convoy when I fired all my tubes (it was at a little over 3,000 meters/yards so I wanted a large spread) when something takes out my periscope and floods the tower. First I thought I was rammed (I now think it was a very circle runner since I was shallow due to the heavy seas) Bow torpedo, the tower, control and the engine room all start flooding and I lose depth control. I figure I'm doomed when I see the depth gauge read over 500 feet, then I hit bottom! But I couldn't blow sufficient air in to the tanks to surface before the pressure crushes the boat (makes sense since bow torpedo, and the tower were flooded and the other two compartments were half full).

I did nailed the tanker btw (using manual TDC too)... :haha:

seaplate hitman

06-09-11, 09:22 PM

I can not download it again! The netweb is not available still. If someone can do me a favor,I beg him send this mod to me by E-mail.

My Mailbox:Boca2000@live.cn

Thank you very much in advance!

PS: The full name of PRC is People's Republic of China. In the fore post , I made a spelling mistake. Sorry.

JapLance

06-10-11, 01:19 AM

I can not download it again! The netweb is not available still. If someone can do me a favor,I beg him send this mod to me by E-mail.

I will try to send it by e-mail. I've never tried to send such a big file through an e-mail, so I can't assure you will get it, but I tried.

TLAM Strike, you must have been very unlucky with that circle runner. The chances are really really slim, as the British Mk.VIII torpedoes were very, very reliable (contact pistol only though).

JapLance

06-10-11, 03:18 AM

Sorry, my account doesn't let me send such a big file :cry:

Jan Kyster

06-10-11, 08:45 AM

I wouldn't mind shipping a DVD to China - that would be a first :hmmm:

PM me if you're interested, Seaplate! :up:

About the download, perhaps the site is being blocked from PRC? That would not be a first, would it?

Brewster

06-10-11, 12:33 PM

Brewster

06-10-11, 12:40 PM

I mailed it to you.

seaplate hitman

06-12-11, 01:56 AM

Thanks for everyone's help!
I am very appreciate!:salute::salute::salute:

Brewster

06-12-11, 09:26 AM

No problem. If you have it with other things just send me a message:up:

JapLance

06-12-11, 12:25 PM

As usual when Googling for something else, I came across this very interesting link:

http://historisches-marinearchiv.de/projekte/asa/beschreibung.php

A database of Allied submarine attacks in Europe: North Sea and Arctic, Baltic, Mediterranean and Black Sea. Impressive work.

Brewster

06-12-11, 02:54 PM

max-peck

06-15-11, 12:56 AM

Very nice work to all involved in this :up:

Since I read Unbroken I've wanted to operate a U Class out of Malta, and now I can :DL

One question, has anyone else had any trouble with the U Class? When I reload a save game all the dials and gauges in the interior view stop working and get stuck at the 12 o'clock position?

Or have I got a bit of mod soup going on? If it's just affecting me I'll try a clean install.

llamaman

06-15-11, 08:28 AM

yes, I get the same thing all dials pointing up after game save,
any ideas ?

Jan Kyster

06-15-11, 01:11 PM

Maybe it's related to AI-boats, as in these old links
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=102182
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=93353

But I know nothing! :D

JapLance

06-16-11, 12:35 AM

Thanks Jan, I've been reading this threads and I think I found the problem:

Hi guys,

Well, well you are suffering from an old known bug. This was adressed a more than year ago.

This problem is related to another Uboat on the campaign files than the player's uboat (AI uboat, cloned or not). In that long time ago I and Sergei just find that only a correctly cloned uboat must be used for AI uboats. So, someone here put a not well cloned or even not cloned uboat on the campaign SCR file. Just delete them (or use a AI uboat that is on the original GW/HT folders) and the bug will go away.

Hopes that could help you!

Rubini.

Not being aware of this problem, I added a couple of submarines in the player starting harbours, to give some atmosphere. They are the same units as the player subs, and seem to be the ones causing this problem. Since I don't usually use the interior view, I hadn't noticed anything wrong with it. Apologies.

A simple solution would be deleting those subs in the file \Med Campaign\Data\Campaigns\Campaign\Med_HarborTraffic .mis with the mission editor. The "professional" way would be creating AI versions of the player subs, but this is something I can't do for the moment.

Unrelated to all that, seems like I found what was causing a crash in the museum. There were a couple of German ships in WDAD that were missing their textures. When I corrected that using the ones Lurker used in OM, and after a really long loading time, the museum worked. I have also found a JSGME function that allows to eliminate previous files while the mod is enabled, so I can eliminate from the roster the ships of, for instance, Lithuania, which were loaded by WDAD but are not needed at all in the Mediterranean, lightening (I hope) the loading times. I still need to do some testing, but it seems to work fine.

Capt. Morgan

06-16-11, 03:12 AM

Thanks Jan for spotting this one, and JapLance for your explanation of how to correct it, I was having this problem too.

And thanks for the Med. Mod:salute:. It's a very different game playing in a small pond (at least compared to The Pacific) and with 10 forward tubes.

The first contact on the first patrol of HMS Tribune was a small convoy containing a Huge-Fast Troop Transport! Looks like some Italian general will be a brigade short.

JapLance

06-16-11, 04:49 AM

Yeah, the Mediterranean makes a very different campaign, not only because it's small, but also because your subs are somewhat slow compared to the US and German boats (specially the U-Class), and you need to spend the daylight time at periscope depth due to enemy air cover.

max-peck

06-16-11, 05:55 AM

Thanks Jan and Japlance :up:

JapLance

06-19-11, 10:27 AM

Does anybody know of any sailing ships we could use? The Mediterranean was full of small sailing boats that were attacked with gunfire by the British submarines.

iowa101

06-19-11, 11:08 AM

What like fishing boats or actual sailing boats with sales because the should be fair few on google warehouse and their free

Just checked for you and there is plenty of sail boats

JapLance

06-19-11, 01:06 PM

Yeah, ships with sails. Schooners and that stuff, preferably already in SH format.

http://i.pbase.com/u42/rtwo/upload/27544170.Schooner.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b7/Schooner.jpg/721px-Schooner.jpg

Sampans don't look good in the Mediterranean :D.

iowa101

06-19-11, 01:10 PM

well i dont know any in game format, but there are a good amount off decent models to choose from on google 3d warehouse if you want to take a look

JuJu70

06-20-11, 09:31 PM

Good job guys.

A few comments

1. seems like too much traffic especially around the Libyan coast. I sank like 9 merchants on my first patrol and ran out of torps. Historically, there were only 10 subs in Med on 6/10/40, and they were mostly based in Malta. The traffic was mostly around Italy so that's where the patrols should be for the most part for the first couple months.

2. Italian ASW in the game is just shocking. I know they don't have sonar. but can something be done? They are absolutely irresponsive. I just floated (by accident) into the middle of their task force and downed 3 battleships and destroyers are just doing nothing.

3. Sirtori has Hydrophone and Sonar specified in the sns file, but the nodes H01 and N01 aren't specified in the dat file, perhaps you might want to add them?

Thanks for the mod!

JapLance

06-21-11, 02:44 AM

Good job guys.

A few comments

Thanks a lot. They're much appreciated. There weren't a lot of them by now.

1. seems like too much traffic especially around the Libyan coast. I sank like 9 merchants on my first patrol and ran out of torps. Historically, there were only 10 subs in Med on 6/10/40, and they were mostly based in Malta. The traffic was mostly around Italy so that's where the patrols should be for the most part for the first couple months.

It was my intention to create different layers for each of the years, but for the moment I wanted to have something that worked properly. In the future I will probably implement them, and will take into account your comments.

2. Italian ASW in the game is just shocking. I know they don't have sonar. but can something be done? They are absolutely irresponsive. I just floated (by accident) into the middle of their task force and downed 3 battleships and destroyers are just doing nothing.

Yes, their hydrophones are not very good at the beginning. Perhaps I could give them the later hydrophones for the whole duration of the war and get rid of the early ones.

3. Sirtori has Hydrophone and Sonar specified in the sns file, but the nodes H01 and N01 aren't specified in the dat file, perhaps you might want to add them?

Thanks for picking that one. I will correct it for next version.

Thanks for the mod!

Thanks to you for your comments :up:.

BossMark

06-21-11, 07:06 AM

This looks good but what version do you need play it? I only have 1.4
Dont matter found out you need version 1.5

JapLance

06-21-11, 10:19 AM

This looks good but what version do you need play it? I only have 1.4
Dont matter found out you need version 1.5

To be honest, I haven't tried on 1.4. I just recommend 1.5 because so it is for WDAD.

It may be a good excuse to update your SH4 :D. I think that SH4+UBM is pretty cheap this days.

BossMark

06-21-11, 10:56 AM

To be honest, I haven't tried on 1.4. I just recommend 1.5 because so it is for WDAD.

It may be a good excuse to update your SH4 :D. I think that SH4+UBM is pretty cheap this days.
Agreed tried it on 1.4 it CTD

JuJu70

06-22-11, 04:09 PM

It was my intention to create different layers for each of the years, but for the moment I wanted to have something that worked properly. In the future I will probably implement them, and will take into account your comments.I actually reworked most of the convoys and traffic, I can shoot you the files if you want them. I also added alot more planes since I hardly saw any before. Cruising during the daylight on the surface for long periods of time is unrealistic, this is not Pacific.

Can you add an Italian search plane like a Ca 309 or CANT Z501?

Yes, their hydrophones are not very good at the beginning. Perhaps I could give them the later hydrophones for the whole duration of the war and get rid of the early ones.That actually wouldn't do anything. i tested with the PeriphonA+P setup and both German and Italian patrol boats do see my periscope depth sub and do ping and attack. However, with a Hydrophone only they probably are just not programmed to do anything, so even if they can hear me they are clueless as to what to do since the sonar part is missing. maybe it's better to give them some sort of poor primitive sonar so at least they could try to find me?

JapLance

06-23-11, 05:42 AM

I actually reworked most of the convoys and traffic, I can shoot you the files if you want them

Yeah, send them to the e-mail on the Readme file. It is always good to see different ways to do things.

I also added alot more planes since I hardly saw any before. Cruising during the daylight on the surface for long periods of time is unrealistic, this is not Pacific.

In 1940 I think it's fine the way it is now, since RA didn't do much work for the Navy, neither search or ASW. Later on, when the Germans arrive in 1941 I think air coverage is adequate, reaching its peak in Mid 1942.

Can you add an Italian search plane like a Ca 309 or CANT Z501?

Unfortunately no. We will have to live with the Sparviero and the German planes.

Regarding the Hydrophone question, more testing is needed. I'm not giving the Italian escorts an active device earlier than historical without a good reason. This is why I wish some more people would report on things like that.

JuJu70

06-24-11, 10:09 AM

Is it just me, or my T sub has Japanese flags plastered all around the deck gun?

peabody

06-24-11, 01:23 PM

Is it just me, or my T sub has Japanese flags plastered all around the deck gun?

Yes there are IJN flags. When Keltos built the sub he was working on the IJN Campaign and I believe they were to indicate "Kills".
I think they are on the texture for the Turret. "NSS_UK_DG_turret_T01.dds" but I haven't heard from Keltos in quite a while, so I can't confirm that. But I think for the sub to be used in the WDAD they could be easily removed by eliminating them from the texture listed above which is in the Data/textures folder. It is in the TLowres and the TNormal folders. But do change(sorry EDITED HERE...DO NOT CHANGE) the name, size or anything else on the texture or it will mess up.

Peabody

keltos01

06-25-11, 01:59 AM

they are on the texture as Peabody said !

they are indeed intended to be kill flags

simple edit in photoshop will remove them

regards

keltos

Moellinger

06-28-11, 08:41 AM

First let me say thank you for your hard work.
Playing the Med-Campaign makes a lof of fun.
I always wanted to play on the Royal Navy's side against the axis.

Well, I also have some reports for you.
At first I have the same problem with frozen instruments after saving and reloading.

Actually I play a career from Malta in a U-class sub, starting at earliest beginning in 1940. Meanwhile I have reached the end of the year.
The whole time I have only been attacked by an airplane one single time.
The buggy problem seems to be, that the enemy plane can not locate my sub in almost every case.
I have italian Sparvieros that flying closer than 500 yards to my sub, almost directly over my boat. The weather conditions are fine. Bright sunshine, calm sea, great long distance view and the enemy planes don't react on me.
My deckcrew could throw with potatoes at them.

JuJu70

06-28-11, 10:47 AM

I actually changed all Visuals and sensors files to the ones from TMO and it works fine. I tried to sink a fishing trawler last night (it took close to 70 shells woow), and he called for help I guess because 2 planes showed up and tried to bomb me, but missed. Then I ran into one of my own created bomb missions random groups and they pounded me but again mostly missed.
This mod has a good potential, just needs to be worked on.

Incidentally, can anyone edit a dds texture file? We can have an Italian seaplane then.

JapLance

06-29-11, 07:54 AM

@ Moellinger

Standard British doctrine was to patrol submerged during the daylight hours, and I usually do that. Still, while on the surface in passage to and from my PZ I've been attacked by planes a lot of times during different careers (mostly due to time compression :down:), so they work.

JapLance

06-29-11, 08:00 AM

@ JuJu70

What do you need with the textures? What Italian seaplane can be added?

JuJu70

06-29-11, 08:31 AM

@ JuJu70

What do you need with the textures? What Italian seaplane can be added?

Ro-43 which is almost exact copy of Pete. So if someone can edit the dds texture for Pete from green to metallic gray and add those red stripes on top of the top wings then pretty much you gonna have a Ro-43. It was mostly a ship-based plane but there was a squadron or two on Rhodes acting independently. We can also add the random groups whenver the Taskforce is on patrol.

Unfortunately my graphic skills are too close to 0 to even attempt the change :(

JuJu70

06-29-11, 08:39 AM

Another thing

Right now I get a patrol zone and once it's done I am told to do what I want or return to base. That's strange. I should have a sequence, 5 days one place, 5 day another. Also historically tied misions should be in there, like when the French surrendered, there should be more patrols around France and French Africa and Syria and Palestine, then when the Greek cruiser went down, should be more patrols around Greece and Italian aslands etc.

JapLance

06-29-11, 09:17 AM

Good idea with the Ro-43. I'll see what can be done about it.

As per the patrol zones: once you finish your first patrol orders you should send a situation report and then you should be ordered another patrol zone. The thing is that after this second set of orders they always send you back to base. I don't know why, if you have enough fuel and torpedoes, you don't get a third patrol area, but I always get two of them for sure.

Knowing that, for the moment, Malta subs only get assigned missions in the Central Mediterranean (between Crete and the Sicily Channel), the Alexandria flotilla subs in the East (long-ranged T-Class also in the Center) and the Gibraltar flotilla boats to the west of the Sicily Channel. I know it is not 100% satisfactory, and I will probably change this in the future by rearranging the objectives.

The Aegean waters are open to British subs in Alexandria after the German invasion of the Balkans (except the Dodecanese Islands, which are available as a patrol zone from the very beginning), and Syrian waters only when Op. Exporter is on (June-July 1941).

I wasn't exactly sure what was the British behaviour against Vichy French units in the time frame between Mers-el-Kebir and the invasion of Southern France by the Germans. In game they are considered enemies, and can be sunk if found, but I hadn't added a proper patrol area in Southern France (I did a few days ago, after finding evidence that indeed there were) or North African waters. It wouldn't be hard to add patrol areas for Oran, Algiers and Tunis.

JuJu70

06-29-11, 10:17 AM

JapLance

06-29-11, 11:02 AM

British subs initial deployment from Alexandria

June - 5 subs in Aegean, 1 near Tobruk
Early July - Operation Catapult patrol off French Africa (Oran+Algiers)
Mid July -Aug - Calabria, Albania and Dodecanese
September - Albania, Libia

Most of those are already there. The only one missing is French Africa, and would probably be a quite boring one.

Anyway, deployed from Alexandria to Oran? Maybe one sub on passage from Gibraltar to the East was there, but I don't think they'd send a number of submarines across.

This is another point I'd like to add, most careers for T-Class or U-Class boats should start in Gibraltar or in Alexandria (for the older boats from the Far East) and then be sent wherever accordingly, but for the moment I don't know how to implement it.

In any case, when you find something unhistorical, this part of the Readme.pdf in the download applies:

NOTE:this campaign is not intended to be HISTORICAL, just an approximation.

:har:

JuJu70

06-29-11, 12:06 PM

Most of those are already there. The only one missing is French Africa, and would probably be a quite boring one.

If the French fleet still there why not take a shot at Strasbourg? or Dunkerque?

JapLance

06-29-11, 01:22 PM

Strasbourg is suposed to depart Mers-el-Kebir for Toulon escorted by destroyers in the evening of July 3rd 1940, after the British attack as historically. Then she can make brief random sorties out of Toulon along the French coast.

One problem is that the French destroyers that came with WDAD didn't work. I once found one of them being pushed by the merchant she was suposed to escort :haha:. In the next version there will be a SH3 Bourrasque class destroyer created by Jack_410 instead. She will also be used as Italian escort after the Toulon 1942 scuttling.

I just added a few twists to the Strasbourg "voyage" to Toulon, so it is a bit harder to know which route she will take, and also added the Dunkerque, which moved to the main French base in Feb. 1942 (don't know the exact date).

JapLance

06-29-11, 01:42 PM

For the curious, here is the Bourrasque-class destroyer in Italian livery:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/DDBourrasqueIT-01.jpg

JuJu70

06-29-11, 01:57 PM

added the Dunkerque, which moved to the main French base in Feb. 1942 (don't know the exact date).

Dunkerque was refloated on Feb 20, 1942.

I also added a SM79T as a torpedo plane, and added a few random groups mostly out of Sicily. I can send it to you if you can rework the torpedo texture - it's kind of white for some reason even though the color in S3D is grey.

Good job on a destroyer. :up:

JuJu70

06-29-11, 02:04 PM

As per the patrol zones: once you finish your first patrol orders you should send a situation report and then you should be ordered another patrol zone.

I restarted the game about 6 times now due to testing mostly but every time after the first patrol and sending in the report I am told to do what I want or return to base.

Also I am more happy now with TMO visuals, at least if you're not careful you'll suffer in calm waters. I'd suggest adding 3-4 MAS boats to each ASW group operating around ports - which is historically correct.

JapLance

06-30-11, 10:11 AM

I restarted the game about 6 times now due to testing mostly but every time after the first patrol and sending in the report I am told to do what I want or return to base.

I just made two quick patrols out of Malta in a U-Class. I got my orders assigned: patrol central Med. Spent the 5 days in my patrol area and when the patrol was considered completed, I sent the report status. The result in both of them is a message indicating a new area:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/MaltaNewassingment.jpg

If it doesn't work for you, I can only think of one reason: you're running low of fuel or torpedoes. You need to have 35% of fuel or 25% of torpedoes left to get sent to another area. I'm not sure if you need to fulfill both not to be recalled back to base.

Alternatively, maybe you're still using version 1.0 of the campaign, which didn't have this implemented. You should then download the new version in the first post of this thread.

JuJu70

06-30-11, 10:20 AM

I start from Alexandria, I was sent to Central Med, Taranto and Adriatic. Each time I was told good job! do what you want. The only thing I did I changed the dates on all African patrols to a later date.

Torps and fuel is Ok

JapLance

06-30-11, 12:19 PM

I started a new one from Alexandria this time in a T-Class, and again it worked as intended (except that I can't get a third different patrol area).

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/AlexNewpatrol.jpg

JuJu70

06-30-11, 03:41 PM

Hmm,

what actually determines if you get a second objective? Which file(s) is it in?

JapLance

07-01-11, 01:27 AM

Hmm,

what actually determines if you get a second objective? Which file(s) is it in?

DynamicMiss.cfg in ../data/campaigns/campaign folder

JapLance

07-02-11, 01:40 PM

Regarding the lack of proficiency of Sparvieros, I just found that in WDAD the visual sensor was that of a single-seater fighter. I just changed it to a bomber, and hopefully will have a better sight from now on.

I also did a bad conversion of the Pete into a Ro.43.

ETAIPOS

07-02-11, 02:02 PM

JapLance

07-03-11, 02:52 AM

Great looking mod!

Is it somehow possible to add Polish campaign to this mod?
There were two Poland in exile ships: ORP Sokol and ORP Dzik (both British U type) operating of Malta.

ORP Sokol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Sok%C3%B3%C5%82

ORP Dzik
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Dzik

I do not know if the game allows using specific ships, but maybe adding new U type copy with only random name list with only two entries could solve this?

Yes, editing the roster would make only those two boats eligible, but still you would have a crew with British names.

There are a couple of extra files that possibly would allow you to fix this (This is something I'm not 100% sure, as I didn't tinker with it up to now). They're in ..\Data\UPCData\UPCCrewData\, and can be easily edited with the notepad: CrewMembersNames.upc and CrewMembers.upc.

A museum pic of the pseudo-Ro.43:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/ITRo43.jpg

JuJu70

07-03-11, 10:52 AM

Actually looks good. But historically they didn't carry any bombs, so it shouldn't either or if that's impossible perhaps just 1 100kg bomb.

JapLance

07-06-11, 06:24 AM

Now I'm reworking the stock Japanese sub-chaser to better resemble a Gabbiano-class corvette. Still a lot of work to do, but looks more like the real one than the original sub-chaser.

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/SH4Gabbiano.jpg

With eight! DC throwers and two DC racks, that one should be really dangerous :timeout:.

BossMark

07-06-11, 06:45 AM

Now I have version 1.5 I am just wondering if there is an playable surface ships for this mod

JapLance

07-07-11, 12:34 PM

Now I have version 1.5 I am just wondering if there is an playable surface ships for this mod

No, sorry. This is a submarine game and a submarine campaign. Surface ships are targets (and some subs as well :haha:).

BossMark

07-07-11, 01:05 PM

No, sorry. This is a submarine game and a submarine campaign. Surface ships are targets (and some subs as well :haha:).
OK no worries, looks a great mod and I have never played a British sub :salute:

JapLance

07-12-11, 01:34 AM

The final version of the Gabbiano:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/COGabbiano.jpg

max-peck

07-12-11, 04:41 AM

The final version of the Gabbiano:

Very nice work :up:

Moellinger

07-12-11, 05:00 AM

JapLance

07-12-11, 05:29 AM

Indeed, the Gabbiano looks fantastic.

By the way one question.
In one of your former posts you showed us a screenshot from a modified Spica class torpedoboat with camouflage hullpaintig.
I have never seen such a modified version till now. All Spica T-boats passing my way are without this paintig. How do I get the cameo or isn't it just in the actual release version?

It should appear by mid 1941. This is the textures part of the roster entry for the Spicas (in ..Data\Roster\Italian\Sea\)

[Texture 1]
TextureName=data/Sea/NTB_Spica/NTB_Spica_T01.tga
StartDate=19000109
EndDate=19410608
Frequency=1

[Texture 2]
TextureName=data/Sea/NTB_Spica/NTB_Spica_T02.tga
StartDate=19410609
EndDate=19990601
Frequency=1

[Texture 3]
TextureName=data/Sea/NTB_Spica/NTB_Spica_T03.tga
StartDate=19410609
EndDate=19990601
Frequency=1

T01 is the plain gray texture (from the beginning till mid 1941). T02 and T03 are the textures with splinter cammo (mid 1941 to end of war). You can change the start and finish dates to different ones if you wish. If you put a start date of 19000109 and an end of 19990601 to all three, the Spica boats will randomly show in one of the three liveries for the full war.

This is the other Splinter camo livery:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/TBSpica-01.jpg

JapLance

07-12-11, 05:45 AM

BTW, you skippers will have to update your recognition manuals with a new enemy vessel:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/Recognitionbook.jpg

Seems like nobody tried to ID the ship... Built from the Soldati (with a Fubuki bridge), the Italian Navigatori class destroyer:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/DDNavigatori-01.jpg

MGR1

07-12-11, 12:52 PM

Looking good!:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

Now only if there were decent plans available for the S class boats....:damn:

Mike.:)

sidslotm

07-14-11, 09:20 AM

some great ship skins here JL, 1st prize :cool:

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4708/stalkinghorse.jpg

JuJu70

07-14-11, 02:53 PM

JapLance

07-15-11, 01:17 PM

Good job on Gabbiano.

I noticed that you included alot of tanker objectives. The problem is that Italy didn't have many tankers to start with, and on top of that of ~3,000,000 GRT of shipping, about 1/3 was outside the Mediterranean on 6/10/40. That includes all major ocean-going freighters and fleet tankers. In fact, most of them were either scuttled or requisitioned by the US and other countries in 1941 and on (even a country like Venezuela did this). So, a tanker in the Mediterranean should be a rare sight. Most fuel was transported to North Africa in drums, occasionally in tankers, but fairly small ones.

Well, they lost part of their merchant fleet, but they also could use German ships that were interned in Italian ports, and I guess that they also grabbed Yugoslavian and Greek ships after the 1941 invasion.

With regard to tankers, I'm thinking about revamping the current traffic, pulling them out of ordinary convoys and leaving only the all-tanker convoys. There is two of them by now, one route being Napoli-Tripoli-Tarento, and the other one Brindisi-Tripoli-Napoli, both with a 33% spawn rate every 10 days and a maximum of three tankers.

I guess that before Rommel's arrival the requirements for fuel would be far less than later on, so I could reduce the frequency previous to February-March 1941, and make these convoys more frequent after that date.

The main problem I have is that there is very little info about Italian convoys in the net. I got some info about single convoys checking the Italian wikipedia (not yet implemented), but little more. There is a two-volume Italian official history about that, "La Difesa del Traffico con l'Africa Settentrionale" but it's been impossible for me to find them at a reasonable price, and most of my budget has already gone in books about the British submarines.

cush

07-16-11, 07:13 AM

sorry for this silly question (I'm new here) but I'm very interested in the med campaign. Where can I download it? what other add-on do I need?

Thanks

Affront7

07-16-11, 10:24 AM

Hi Cush,

If you go to the first post in this thread are couple of links to download the files.

You need to use Generic Mod Enable to install the files and in this order:

1st WOAD
2nd WOAD patch
3rd Med campaign

Then you should be good to go.

Hope that helps

JapLance

07-16-11, 02:06 PM

JuJu70

07-16-11, 02:45 PM

The main problem I have is that there is very little info about Italian convoys in the net. I got some info about single convoys checking the Italian wikipedia (not yet implemented), but little more.

I am all for historical convoys but if you want to mix them with random ones then you need to be careful.

Also if you can reduce notification for convoys - while British did read ULTRA they did not go around by sending this to all random places, and definitely not to the subs. Right now it just cluttered with news. I actually did turn this off in my game, since those messages tell me about convoys I have no realistic chance of intercepting.

Also, for flavor if you want you can add a Spanish Sparviero on Balearic Islands (like a random group)

JuJu70

07-16-11, 10:36 PM

Also if you need German convoys to Africa in 1941 it's in Jentz's book, if you don't have it I can post them here

cush

07-17-11, 04:33 AM

it works great!

JapLance

07-18-11, 05:01 AM

I am all for historical convoys but if you want to mix them with random ones then you need to be careful.

Yeah, I'l probably leave it as it is, fully random, but at least that info is useful to know routes used.

Also if you can reduce notification for convoys - while British did read ULTRA they did not go around by sending this to all random places, and definitely not to the subs. Right now it just cluttered with news. I actually did turn this off in my game, since those messages tell me about convoys I have no realistic chance of intercepting.

I assume those contacts that appear are not only from ULTRA, but also from another subs in the Med and patrol airplanes in Malta, Alexandria and Gibraltar. I'll leave it as it is by now, probably I'll make it extensive to all convoys, reducing the % chance in general. If I ever implement the convoys layers splitted by years, the % of 1940 would be lower than in 1942, for instance.

Runnybabbit

07-20-11, 01:31 PM

Sorry to have to say this, but for some strange reason, I get a CTD with this mod installed. I get as far as 70% of the loading screen (very nice by the way!) then a black screen with the usual win7 notification that an error has occured and that windows will attempt to resolve it. This has happened consistently over a dozen times now.

Been playing SH4 since it came out, and more usually have installed RFB with RSRD. I upgraded my pc to something very fast, now running stable at 4.01Ghz, and did a clean install of SH4 to put on WDAD, patch, and BMC.

I've checked all permissions on the game, and also my security software, and none are interfering. All mods are installed as per requirement with JSGME, and in the correct order.

As a test, the game as stock (1.5) runs perfectly. The game with just WDAD and patch, runs perfectly, but when I add BMC, the above happens (sniff..:wah:).

Anyone with any ideas as to what could be wrong, help please!!

PS: The game is installed on a clean 1TB drive, as is my copy of SH5 (on another clean drive).SH5 is modded and runs very smoothly, so pc power and config doesn't seem to be a culprit..

JapLance

07-20-11, 03:54 PM

Is that in the SH4 loading screen or when the mission is loading after being in the Office?

If it is the former, I'm sorry to tell you that I have no idea. I have Windows XP and it always worked fine in my computer.

If it is the latter, what patrol zone were you assigned?. I found a bug in one of the patrol zones (I think it was Southern Adriatic) a while ago. It will be solved in the next version. Start a new career and probably you will get a different area.

KING111

07-20-11, 03:56 PM

hi m8
i am running windows 7 x64 on a fast computer
and the Med Campaign works great
my mod oder is
WDAD v100
WDAD v100 patch
Med Campaign

Runnybabbit

07-20-11, 05:16 PM

Thanks guys, for your replies..

The loading screen is the game start, with the artwork that replaces the original SH4 one. I shall just have to keep methodically trying different things until I find one that works then! When I do though, I'll definitely post my findings..

Cheers!:arrgh!:

Affront7

07-20-11, 05:19 PM

You could try checking the JGSME, forget the name Mod folder in game install where have the mod..sometimes when unzipping mods get an extra directory level which can cause problems ie the Med Campaign mod might be in a directory called Med Campaign etc?? Though if getting load screen maybe not.

If with save game I had problems with save games crashing if had space in the the name on 64bit Win7 machine. Loading the museum will also crash the game due to the number of ships added I believe.

Hope some of that helps and good luck

Runnybabbit

07-24-11, 01:32 PM

Hi all,

I've been wanting to reply for the last 4 days, but couldn't due to a problem with my email changeover (new service provider necessitated change, so I went with a free address with live.co.uk). Only when I tried swapping it for my old one, then back again, did it work. Until then I've been unable to post or even check my own profile.. Never mind, all sorted now..

Right! My problem with CTD's on the loading screen were of my own making.

To cure it, I completely uninstalled the whole game (drastic, I know!), with the help of Revo Uninstaller, to get every last bit off the hard drive and registry.

I then reinstalled the game, rebooted, installed the 1.4 patch, rebooted, installed the U-boat add on to bring it to 1.5, rebooted, WDAD, rebooted, WDAD patch, rebooted, and finally, the BMC, rebooted.

Held my breath, started the game, and... PERFECT!!

This has been worth waiting for, it plays very very well. Hats off to all that have had a hand in developing this in their own time, I am so very grateful, as I am to all that offered suggestions to my problems.

Regards.. :salute:

JapLance

07-25-11, 04:59 AM

@Runnybabbit,

glad to see you sorted the problems. Now I await your comments :arrgh!:.

Kaleun

07-25-11, 11:32 AM

@JapLance

Any news on an update/new version with all the titbits you been posting over the last month or so??

Also any news from Keltos01 on the new T-class model/skin?

Thanks in advance

Kaleun

JapLance

07-25-11, 12:45 PM

@Kaleun

I'll release a new version soon* :D. I had a version ready to upload, but then I found a couple of things to add/fix/change/scrap :haha: and had to turn things back.

*Soon means hopefully at the end of the week.

Kaleun

07-26-11, 11:32 AM

Can't wait!

Arma2_SH4_Fan

07-26-11, 01:50 PM

Sounds good! What else but go to the pacific.

JapLance

07-28-11, 06:58 AM

A report of HMS Truant on patrol in the Thyrrenian Sea*:

Difficulty 80% (External views ON and Map contacts ON)

Mods used 3
WDAD_v100
WDAD_V100_Patch1
Med Campaign 2.5 RC

From : Lt.Cdr. JapLance

Patrol 1 (June 10th 1940 - July 5th 1940)

To : 8th Submarine Flotilla
Report from HMS Truant
Patrol area : Northern Sicily & Thyrrenian Sea
Orders : Stay in PZ for 5 days and attack enemy shipping.

Number of Warships sunk : 0
Number of Merchants sunk : 3

Total Warship tonnage : 0
Total Merchant tonnage : 16000

Torpedoes fired : 8
Torpedo impacts : 6
Torpedo misses : 2
Torpedo duds : 0
Torpedo premature explosions : 0
Gun rounds expended: 30

Patrol narrative :

10/6/40 1100 Leaving Gibraltar.

11/6/40 1715 Crossed Grenwich Meridian.

13/6/40 Closing to Sardinia. Ready to dive with any sign of enemy AC activity.

14/6/40 0500 Dived.
0800 News said Jerries are in Paris.
2300 Surfaced.

15/6/40 0415 Dived
0524 Enemy AC sighted. ID'ed as Sparviero. Seen again on return trip at 0600.
1128 Enemy AC sighted: another Sparviero.
2100 Surfaced to recharge batteries.
2200 News from Flotilla received: Italians have mined Sicily Strait waters.

16/6/40 0400 Dived.
1400 Arrived at patrol zone. Intention is to patrol an area crossing the route from Napoli to Palermo.
1945 Surfaced.

17/6/40 0415 Dived.
0650 Aircraft spotted. 0717 spotted again in opposite course.
0800 Asdic Operator reports Hydrophone Effect. Warship 10-15Kn. ASW behaviour. Couldn't make visual contact.
0953 Enemy plane spotted astern. Seen again at 1030.
2000 Surfaced to recharge batteries.

18/6/40 0400 Dived to 60ft (choppy sea).
2000 Surfaced. Proceeded closer to Palermo area.

19/6/40 0400 Dived to 60ft.
0724 Enemy Patrol plane sighted. Seen again at 0801.
1627 Enemy plane spotted heading NNW.
2337 Ship spotted on the Port bow. ID'ed as "Large old split freighter". Proceed to dive to attack.

20/6/40 0003 Fired 2 torpedoes from 1000 yards. 2 impacts at 0004. Fire astern. Lies stopped in the water.
0016 Freighter sinks.
0400 Dived. Partial cloud cover.
1325 Asdic reports HE on Port quarter.
1433 Spotted 1 small merchant through the mist. Too far away to intercept.
2000 Surfaced.

21/6/40 0400 Dived
0455 Plane sighted heading N. Again at 0536 on S course.
1401 Plane spotted.
2000 Surfaced to recharge batteries.
2300 Dived to listen through hydrophones.

22/6/40 0100 Surfaced.
0430 Dived.
2030 Surfaced. Received new orders :patrol Thyrrenian Sea.

23/6/40 0230 Entered new patrol area.
0400 Dived.
2000 Surfaced. Heading closer to the Italian coast.

24/6/40 0400 Dived.
2000 Surfaced. Received news of the French surrender.

25/6/40 0350 Dived
0358 Asdic reports Merchant HE closer to the coast. Surfaced to intercept.
0447 Visual contact: masts and funnel clearly visible over the horizon. ID'ed as Hog Island.
0506 Dived at intercepting point.
0529 2 torpedoes fired. 2 impacts. Ship on fire and low on the water.
0532 Aircraft spotted. Dived to 140ft.
0534 Heard explosion. Possible attack from aircraft or secondary explosion on ship.
0538 Periscope depth to check ship. Clearly sinking. Plane is still around. Back to 140ft.
0540 Asdic operator reports enemy vessel sinking. Moving to different area.
1713 Asdic reports Merchant screws. Up to Periscope Depth.
1820 Ship spotted at about 7000 yards ID'ed as Italian freighter.
1823 Enemy plane spotted, but seems to follow route.
1845 Initiating attack.
1848 Fired 2 torpedoes at 1600 yards. MISSED (wrong speed).
1851 Corrected speed and solution. Fired 2 torpedoes. 2 impacts. No apparent damage (no fire, no smoke).
1854 Gun stations. Surfaced to shell stopped enemy ship. 25 shells shot. Lists to starboard.
1915 5 more shells fired at waterline to speed things up.
1920 Enemy ship sinks.

26/6/40 0440 Dived.
2000 Surfaced.

27/6/40 0500 Dived. Overcast weather.
1625 Enemy plane spotted.
2000 Surfaced to recharge batteries.

28/6/40 0300 Received orders to return to Gibraltar. As torpedoes available, will return via the Southern Sardinian
coast.
1736 Enemy plane spotted.
2000 Surfaced.

29/6/40 0420 Dived.
1120 Plane spotted.
1325 Aircraft sighted.
2000 Surfaced.
2340 Arrived to Sardinian coast.

30/6/40 0030 Dived to listen.
0130 Surfaced.
0400 Dived. Calm seas.
2020 Surfaced.

1/7/40 0200 Dived to listen through Hydrophones.
0300 Surfaced.
0440 Dived.
0537 AC sighted.
1117 AC Spotted.
2000 Surfaced.

2/7/40 0420 Dived.
1638 Plane sighted. Back at 1710.
2000 Surfaced.

3/7/40 As Sardinia is left back, decided to make the rest of the trip on the surface at full speed.
2000 Received the news of the attack on the French fleet in Mers-el-Kebir.

5/7/40 1225 Gibraltar on sight.
1330 Docked next to HMS Maidstone.

Torpedo data : All torpedoes running hot, straight and normal. No duds.

8 torpedoes fired, 6 impacts, 2 missed (wrong target speed).

Weather data : Excellent sunny weather in general, except a couple of cloudy days and one overcast.

Warnings : Italian aircraft patrols very active, but only one possible attack when second ship was sunk (not sure

it was an atack). Periscope Depth seems enough except possibly when enemy AC's path comes straight

over the boat.

No enemy merchants appeared to be escorted. Enemy naval activity was nil.

Gibraltar, July 8th 1940

Lt.Cdr JapLance
CO HMS Truant

* Created with SH4 Report Generator 5.1.0.2 by Kim Ronhof. Unfortunately I could only use the general layout of the report, as it doesn't seem to read the saved games files correctly. Does anyone know of a newer version of this tool that works with SH4 patched to 1.5?

JapLance

07-29-11, 03:14 AM

I just updated the first post with download links to the latest version.

KING111

07-29-11, 10:38 AM

thanks m8 i love these mod :salute::yeah::yeah::salute::salute:

KING111

07-29-11, 08:41 PM

The first time ever I sank an enemy sub
On my first mission in the campaign I was
told to go and sink ships around Sicily
I was half way there when it was reported
that a sub was spotted so I lined everything
up and fired 2 torpedoes it was a dark night
so I could not see where they went
suddenly there was a big explosion that made me
jump in my chair I got it an Italian A glass 600
:salute::yeah:

serezha

08-01-11, 01:03 PM

After installing version 2.5 the game began to crash down at the initial loading.

sidslotm

08-01-11, 01:32 PM

Hi JL,

A new skin " dirtyDazzle" with welded casing.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2753/dirtydazzlev.jpg

http://www.mediafire.com/?qiq2m2m169ivsib

Kaleun

08-01-11, 01:43 PM

Excellent skinage!

KING111

08-01-11, 03:11 PM

thanks for the skin m8
will try it out:yeah:

Bubblehead1980

08-01-11, 04:51 PM

British voices yet? Including an authentic "Action Stations!" in lieu of battle stations?

JapLance

08-02-11, 01:38 AM

After installing version 2.5 the game began to crash down at the initial loading.

Hi Serezha,

just a few days ago Runnybabbit had a similar problem (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1708676&postcount=196)

He posted a few days later with his solution:

Hi all,

I've been wanting to reply for the last 4 days, but couldn't due to a problem with my email changeover (new service provider necessitated change, so I went with a free address with live.co.uk). Only when I tried swapping it for my old one, then back again, did it work. Until then I've been unable to post or even check my own profile.. Never mind, all sorted now..

Right! My problem with CTD's on the loading screen were of my own making.

To cure it, I completely uninstalled the whole game (drastic, I know!), with the help of Revo Uninstaller, to get every last bit off the hard drive and registry.

I then reinstalled the game, rebooted, installed the 1.4 patch, rebooted, installed the U-boat add on to bring it to 1.5, rebooted, WDAD, rebooted, WDAD patch, rebooted, and finally, the BMC, rebooted.

Held my breath, started the game, and... PERFECT!!

This has been worth waiting for, it plays very very well. Hats off to all that have had a hand in developing this in their own time, I am so very grateful, as I am to all that offered suggestions to my problems.

Regards..

Not necessarily the same problem, but I haven't had any crashes in my computer while developing and testing for a long time, and while I don't discard that some random situation might lead to a crash, this would mostly be loading the mission or inside the game, not while the initial loading.

Remember that 2.5, as was 2.0, is a standalone version. If you had any of the previous versions you have to remove it before installing the new one.

British voices yet? Including an authentic "Action Stations!" in lieu of battle stations?

No, Sir. This is only a campaign.

sidslotm

08-02-11, 03:39 AM

Hi JL,

thanks for the Med 2.5 installing now :up:

Bubblehead1980

08-02-11, 03:47 PM

Anyone think they could make a British voice patch? To include "Action Stations!" and the buzzer in lieu of the american gong.

JapLance

08-04-11, 04:14 PM

These last days I've been toying with a couple of things.

First, the British torpedoes will have no gyroangle: torpedoes will only fire in a straight line, making it harder to achieve impacts. That didn't take me long to change :D.

The second is a set of missions for Harpoon (June 42) and Pedestal (August 42). Specially in Op.Pedestal, British submarines had important tasks assigned.

And lastly, I learnt to rework the damage models for some of the new warships (thanks to S3D and skwasjer for such a great program).

sidslotm

08-05-11, 11:03 AM

Anyone think they could make a British voice patch? To include "Action Stations!" and the buzzer in lieu of the american gong.

I had a go at recording my own voice, mmmm, works. But we would need a few more Brits else all you'd here is me, perish the thought. :haha: One thing I'm not sure of is the .OGG format for sound.

Ahoy all Brits, lol.

JapLance

08-07-11, 01:06 PM

Can someone ID this?

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/MedShip.jpg

Bubblehead1980

08-07-11, 04:45 PM

I had a go at recording my own voice, mmmm, works. But we would need a few more Brits else all you'd here is me, perish the thought. :haha: One thing I'm not sure of is the .OGG format for sound.

Ahoy all Brits, lol.

Help this lad out! Would definitely add to WDAD, which has a lot of potential in my opinion.

Karle94

08-07-11, 06:23 PM

Can someone ID this?

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/MedShip.jpg

It`s possible it could be a WWII refit of the Caledon class, witch sub-class it is, is another story. Your guess is as good as mine.

Moellinger

08-08-11, 07:38 AM

Can someone ID this?

As Karle94 says it looks to me like an british C-Class cruiser.
A class of light cruisers mostly built during WWI. Some units were modernized in the 1930s. The Caledon, Ceres and Carlisle sub-classes were still in service during WWII, also in the Mediterranean.

Karle94

08-08-11, 07:43 AM

Since it has five six inch guns it has to be the C class. If it had six six inch guns, the extra behind the forward funnel then it would have had to be the Danae class. Same ship with the extra turret, and 6 meters longer.

JapLance

08-08-11, 08:39 AM

You're almost getting there :D.

The design is British, but the ship doesn't belong to any Commonwealth country.

Actually, I did a bit of cheating because mounts 2,3 and 4 should be double, but I couldn't find anything similar in the gun library that would fit in. Total main armament is 8x6in.

Here is a pic of the real ship:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z92/JapLance/SH4%20WDAD%20Med/barallobre.jpg

Karle94

08-08-11, 09:19 AM

JapLance

08-08-11, 09:48 AM

Yes, that's it.

It was a class of three cruisers that were a development of the Emerald-Class. One of my grandfathers spent most of the Spanish Civil War aboard the Almirante Cervera.

JapLance

08-08-11, 12:26 PM

Oops, forgot to comment, she is an enlarged Dido hull, with the bridge of a Tribal-class destroyer.

I'm learning some minor 3D editing with this mod :rotfl2:

JapLance

08-09-11, 12:55 PM

Reading the older posts in the WDAD thread found this, to add for immersion:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1422010&postcount=71

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/5803/omegawd.jpg

The link still works! :D

JapLance

08-09-11, 03:04 PM

Ooops, seems like this stopwatches were meant for earlier versions of the game.

To use them with SH4 v1.5 you have to change the path of the file clock.dds from ..\Data\Menu\Gui to ..\Data\Menu\Skins\American\Gui

sidslotm

08-12-11, 01:56 PM

Help this lad out! Would definitely add to WDAD, which has a lot of potential in my opinion.

I found a program that will record .OGG sound files and it's free, I see no reason why this can't be done.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/beta_windows#recdown

comotoasty

08-22-11, 10:29 PM

Has anyone modded any playable surface ships for this campaign?

Bubblehead1980

08-22-11, 11:42 PM

I found a program that will record .OGG sound files and it's free, I see no reason why this can't be done.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/beta_windows#recdown

Devs of this mod, paying attention? :yeah:

JapLance

08-23-11, 12:54 AM

Devs of this mod, paying attention? :yeah:

Feel free to do it yourself.

Bubblehead1980

08-23-11, 03:28 PM

Feel free to do it yourself.

Not my field as in I do not really have the skills to do so, nor the accent!

pragr

08-26-11, 12:37 AM

JapLance

08-26-11, 03:24 AM

Hi skippers.

At first, I want to say big THANKS for this mod. Playing for RN subs is something I've been missing since the Aces od the deep times :up:

I installed the mod yesterday, tried it a bit and I have just two questions. First, I'm unable to change zoom level in periscope view in U class. Is it right or something is buged in my installation? Second, when I use time compression and met any contact, my crew report it but too late to do anything else then crash dive. Last time the time compression was stopped few second before the Italian DD opened the fire against me(she was on half way between the horizont line and my sub!?). Is there any settings I can change to stop the time compression as soon as there is smoke on horizont visible?

Thanks for help.

You're welcome, praqr. Glad to see that someone is having fun with it :up:.

I think that SH4 does not allow for different optics depending on the submarine, so I used data found for the T-Class in both playable subs. The periscope should work the same: the Observation or Search periscope has magnification powers of 1.5x and 6x, while the Attack periscope is only 1.5x. I'm not sure if SH4 really makes the Attack periscope harder to detect than the Search one, as it should be, but the zooms were like this in the British subs, according to a book about the T-Class that I read a while ago.

I checked the U-class and the search periscope worked as intended, just like I described before.

sidslotm

08-26-11, 10:40 AM

http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2107/formerit.jpg

For Japlance and his great effort, you are worthy.

JapLance

08-27-11, 05:00 AM

@sidslotm

:haha:, Cheers, mate :Kaleun_Cheers: .

TorpexXIII

09-04-11, 07:42 AM

JapLance

09-04-11, 02:22 PM

Hi to all other skippers.

May I thank all those involved in the development of this mod. Amazing work and a great spin on the game.

One question...

Is there anywhere we can get more British subs. Looking at the British subs of WWII book there are some interesting boats!

Also is there a way of changing their load out? (I know not strictly historical) are there any torpedo loadout mods?

Chris

You're welcome, TorpexXIII:yeah:

A while ago dyshman (post #103 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1676666&postcount=103)) said he was working in some early British subs (Odin, Parthian and Rainbow classes). Haven't heard/read from him since. If he finishes the project, they can be easily added to the campaign.

Then Keltos was working in a new T-Class boat based in an amazing 3D model by JU88. I think he is quite busy for the moment with other stuff.

So, by now, I'm afraid all that there is for the British subs is WDAD and the Med Campaign.

What do you mean by Torpedo loadout mods?. Extra torpedoes? Different ones? For the moment, the only planned change to the British torpedoes is eliminating the gyroangle.

TorpexXIII

09-04-11, 04:09 PM

Yeah just a the option (or Mod) so that you can change torps. Whatever the other mods (ie WDAD or RFB etc..) so that you can load up german torps / american or modern...

JapLance

09-05-11, 04:46 AM

Yeah just a the option (or Mod) so that you can change torps. Whatever the other mods (ie WDAD or RFB etc..) so that you can load up german torps / american or modern...

I don't think there is anything like that.

I have never tried to do anything like this, but with a quick look I think that the torpedo loadouts are located in the UPC file of each submarine folder. This is the first tube of a T-Class boat

;------------------------------------------------------------
; BOW TORPEDO
;------------------------------------------------------------

[UserPlayerUnit 1.Compartment 5.WeaponSlot 1]
ID= TorpMountB1
NameDisplayable= Torpedo Tube 1
Type=NULL
AcceptedTypes= TorpedoTube
UserCustomizable=No
IDLinkBunker=BowTorpedoRoom
IDLinkWeaponIntervalDefault1= NULL, 1942-12-31, TorpedoTube21inUS, Mk10Torpedo
IDLinkWeaponIntervalDefault2= 1943-01-01, NULL, TorpedoTube21inUS, Mk16Torpedo
ExternalNodeName3D= NULL
ExternalObjectName3D= NSS_Triton_Door02_FRU_anim01
ExternalDamageZoneTypeID3D= 58I guess that changing/adding extra lines with the desired torpedoes (as named in the torpedo.dat) in each torpedo tube would do the trick, but I see no point in doing it when we're trying to get something realistic.