Large cut out of the budget??

[breadcatcher101]

Not really if you look at the whole picture.

http://www.wimp.com/budgetcuts

Neat way to get the idea of all those big numbers.

[Platapus]

But it you happen to count on that "small" 100 Million, it seems rather significant. :yep:. It is very easy to cut 100m on something I don't care about. The problem is that probably a lot of other people do care and vice versa.

Regardless of how many pennies are on that table, cutting 100m is a good thing... we just can't stop there.

Both professionally and academically, my attention is usually focused overseas. With the teacher issue, I have started looking inward and started researching some of the state figures. Frankly I am shocked.

We have states with double digit BILLION dollar deficits. I remember when entire countries had deficits like that. But states? And not even some of the larger states. :o

Crikey folks, this is not a democrat/republican problem. This is an American problem. Until we can get past the stupid little letters, we can't really solve this problem. And solve it we must. This is not a problem that we can just "worry" about when it is convenient.

Illinois projects a shortfall in FY2012 of $15,000,000,000. Illinois! WTF! And that is NOT the total Illinois deficit :nope:. That is just the shortfall in FY2012! That $15,000,000,000 will be added to last years deficit! In FY2011 Illinois had a shortfall of $13,500,000,000

It must suck to be a governor these days, but each one of them asked for the job. They have to get state spending down. I don't expect them to reduce their deficit (I don't think that would be possible), but they have to stop getting further in to debt.

When will the State Executive and Legislative Branches get the balls to just stand up and declare "We ain't got the money!"?

When will the voters start electing the right person to the position instead of the party?

Source: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=711

[nikimcbee]

Then there's kali-fornia. If these guys go to the feds for a bail-out, I swear to god/allah/jimbuna, we should kick these guys out and sell them to China to pay off the debt. (except for Ducimus, we'll keep him.)

[breadcatcher101]

And Pebble Beach, we keep that as well.

[gimpy117]

Its amazing how the republican spin machine can make budget cuts sound like a bad thing. Which is made even more ironic by the fact that the "red states" take more from social programs than they put in, and the "blue states" put in more to the social program pot than they take.

To be honest, Our taxes are too low for how many social programs there are. Ill say they are comically too low for the top earners in our nation, but they are also too low for the amount of spending we have across the board, which a lot seems to go to the DOD.

I'd love to see the DOD budget slashed. Our "national defense" has become something totally different, and seems to be more of a program to make sure we can throw our weight around around the globe. I think thats wrong. Defense should be just that, defense. I mean good lord, the JSF is asking for 11 BILLION dollars this year

[Platapus]

I'd love to see the DOD budget slashed. Our "national defense" has become something totally different, and seems to be more of a program to make sure we can throw our weight around around the globe. I think thats wrong. Defense should be just that, defense. I mean good lord, the JSF is asking for 11 BILLION dollars this year

I agree (and I am a member of the military industrial complex). Sometimes, the best defense may be just a good defense.

Not counting Iraq and AF, we have over 700 military bases overseas. That's a whole heaping helping of hegemony and expensive hegemony too.

[frau kaleun]

and I am a member of the military industrial complex


Eisenhower warned me about boys like you. :O:

[Platapus]

Eisenhower warned me about boys like you. :O:

And we should have listened to him.

When the number one industry of a country is the ability to invade countries and kill other nation's citizens, it tends to make other countries a bit nervous. :yep:

We spend six times more on our military than China does. But when China announces a new weapon system, we cry "international threat" and spend even more for "defense".

Wasn't one of the reasons the Soviet Union fell was because it choose to continue spending on more on military stuff when it really could not afford it????? :hmmm:

[frau kaleun]

And we should have listened to him.

When the number one industry of a country is the ability to invade countries and kill other nation's citizens, it tends to make other countries a bit nervous. :yep:

We spend six times more on our military than China does. But when China announces a new weapon system, we cry "international threat" and spend even more for "defense".

Wasn't one of the reasons the Soviet Union fell was because it choose to continue spending on more on military stuff when it really could not afford it????? :hmmm:

But... but... but... we must not allow a mineshaft gap!

[Platapus]

I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

[frau kaleun]

I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

Weeeell.... okay. As long as there's no fighting in the War Room.

[Platapus]

Floridation. Nineteen hundred and forty-six. 1946, Frau Kaluen. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

[frau kaleun]

Heh.

Finally watched that all the way through in one go this weekend. Had seen most of it here and there but for some reason never really got all that into it.

It took getting to the part where the Prez has to call the Soviet leader on the phone to give him a 'heads up' before I was completely hooked.

"Well, what happened is... one of our base commanders... he went and did a silly thing..."

PURE GOLD.

I have to wonder how much of that bit was Peter Sellers ad-libbing, and how the rest of the cast managed not to ruin every take by busting out laughing.

[nikimcbee]

Our taxes are too low for how many social programs there are. Ill say they are comically too low for the top earners in our nation, but they are also too low for the amount of spending we have across the board, which a lot seems to go to the DOD.


Awesome! I propose 75% tax on school tuition.

50% Tax on union benefit packages.

Executive order: All public unions pay 50% of their own health benefits.

90% tax on all Hollywood salaries and profits.

75% tax rate on trial laywer profits.

[gimpy117]

Awesome! I propose 75% tax on school tuition.

50% Tax on union benefit packages.

Executive order: All public unions pay 50% of their own health benefits.

90% tax on all Hollywood salaries and profits.

75% tax rate on trial laywer profits.

what a constructive comment! I suggest something that is unpopular to you in good faith, and instead of a rational, well thought our counter argument...you post that. I sarcastic statement that is only designed to be ridiculous and inflammatory.

[Onkel Neal]

But... but... but... we must not allow a mineshaft gap!

:har:

[nikimcbee]

what a constructive comment! I suggest something that is unpopular to you in good faith, and instead of a rational, well thought our counter argument...you post that. I sarcastic statement that is only designed to be ridiculous and inflammatory.

So you're not against it then? Those would really help meet the deficit gap.

[nikimcbee]

And we should have listened to him.

When the number one industry of a country is the ability to invade countries and kill other nation's citizens, it tends to make other countries a bit nervous. :yep:

We spend six times more on our military than China does. But when China announces a new weapon system, we cry "international threat" and spend even more for "defense".

Wasn't one of the reasons the Soviet Union fell was because it choose to continue spending on more on military stuff when it really could not afford it????? :hmmm:

You know what we could do. We could stop building all of our military equipment and but the cheaper Russian stuff and re-fit it with our electronics.:hmmm: How many MiG-21s could we buy for the price of one Raptor?

On a serious note, it's funny when it comes to base closures. Closes all the bases, but not my base! There was a suggestion to get rid of the OR national air guard, all of the lefties here were freaking out: "How will we defend ourselves?":har: Noone gives a crap about or-gone except or-gone.

[Tchocky]

I have to wonder how much of that bit was Peter Sellers ad-libbing, and how the rest of the cast managed not to ruin every take by busting out laughing.
Almost all of it, actually. Sellers was given the basic structure and outcome of the scene, and carried on as he does :D
Lionel Mandrake's story about his false leg was totally ad-libbed too, apparently the cast and crew had trouble staying quiet during filming :D

[Catfish]

Gimpy re NiciMcBee:

what a constructive comment! I suggest something that is unpopular to you in good faith, and instead of a rational, well thought our counter argument...you post that. I sarcastic statement that is only designed to be ridiculous and inflammatory.

It is called "Persona management", ManTech in the US is one of the big business in striking back in "free" forums. Niki should take money for it, though :O:

Greetings,
Catfish

[frau kaleun]

Almost all of it, actually. Sellers was given the basic structure and outcome of the scene, and carried on as he does :D
Lionel Mandrake's story about his false leg was totally ad-libbed too, apparently the cast and crew had trouble staying quiet during filming :D

There's a bit about that in the Special Features on the Blu-Ray disc I had, they said he was supposed to say something about having "a thing" with his leg (old war wound presumably) but it came out "the string in my leg" and he just rolled with it. Or maybe he intended to say "string" all along, who knows.

But that whole long thing of him on the phone with "Dmitri" is worth the price of admission. :yeah:

[Tchocky]

Something tells me we have the same DVD edition ;)

[frau kaleun]

Something tells me we have the same DVD edition ;)

Lol, mine went back to Netflix on Tuesday, but I did watch most of the Special Features while I had it. :yeah:

[Sailor Steve]

How many MiG-21s could we buy for the price of one Raptor?
You commie-pinko-lib sellout!

Why buy real MiGs when we can get home-grown movie-MiGs (F5s) cheaper?

Idjit galoot! :nope:

On a serious note, it's funny when it comes to base closures. Closes all the bases, but not my base! There was a suggestion to get rid of the OR national air guard, all of the lefties here were freaking out: "How will we defend ourselves?":har: Noone gives a crap about or-gone except or-gone.
It's the same here. "OUR base is the largest single employer in the state! Close someone else's major employer, but not mine!"

[nikimcbee]

You commie-pinko-lib sellout!

Why buy real MiGs when we can get home-grown movie-MiGs (F5s) cheaper?

Idjit galoot! :nope:


It's the same here. "OUR base is the largest single employer in the state! Close someone else's major employer, but not mine!"

Ha, I forgot the Chinese weapons market has totally undercut the Russians. So Basically, we'll be getting chinese stuff with our tech in it.:haha::shifty:

[Gorduz]

I must say I disagree with the way budget cuts are presented in this video. I guess the real problem is that the red line in the video grows bigger every year, so even keeping the decifict constant is a challenge in the long run (requiring cuts on the blue side).

And yes the US uses allot of money on defence, especially R&D, if those scientists were used to create civilian products I believe the US would have a much healthier economy.

[Platapus]

I have to wonder how much of that bit was Peter Sellers ad-libbing, and how the rest of the cast managed not to ruin every take by busting out laughing.

According to the Behind the Scenes story, most of what he did was improvised and yes the crew and cast were cracking up. Some of crack ups can be seen in the movie. :yeah:

Trivia: 55% of the total budget for the movie went to pay Sellers' salary.

[frau kaleun]

According to the Behind the Scenes story, most of what he did was improvised and yes the crew and cast were cracking up. Some of crack ups can be seen in the movie. :yeah:

Trivia: 55% of the total budget for the movie went to pay Sellers' salary.

Worth every penny. :yep:

"Well I'm not calling just to say hello, Dmitri... no, of course, I like to say hello to you. Of course it's a friendly call. Look, if it wasn't friendly, you wouldn't be getting it..." :har:

[Platapus]

Peter Sellers was supposed to play a 4th part

What was the fourth part and why didn't he end up playing it?

[TLAM Strike]

How many MiG-21s could we buy for the price of one Raptor?

In case anyone was wondering the number is between 50-100 depending on model.

[razark]

Peter Sellers was supposed to play a 4th part

What was the fourth part and why didn't he end up playing it?
I believe he was supposed to play Major Kong, as well.

[Platapus]

I believe he was supposed to play Major Kong, as well.

Correct! :yeah:.... but why didn't he? :know:

[razark]

Correct! :yeah:.... but why didn't he? :know:
I should know this. Wasn't he ill?

Or was it that no one could replace Slim Pickens for that part? :D

[Platapus]

Peter Sellers hurt his foot. This is why you see him moving rarely in the movie.

[frau kaleun]

I should know this. Wasn't he ill?

Or was it that no one could replace Slim Pickens for that part? :D

Apparently Sellers thought almost from the get-go that the fourth part was pushing it too far. He wasn't sure he could get the Texas accent right, but according to interviews on the disc he did finally manage it. He still wasn't sold on playing the part, however, and there was friction between him and Kubrick over it.

They actually did start filming, or at least rehearsing, some of his scenes in the mockup cockpit of the plane... which was suspended 12 feet or so off the ground of the soundstage. At one point he had an accident - or an "accident," depending on who's telling the story - and fell off the thing (IIRC, one interviewee said it was in the middle of a row with Kubrick over having to play that role). He broke or twisted or sprained his ankle, anyway, he was injured to the point where he could no longer crawl up inside the mockup bomber to film his scenes as Major Kong. That's when they went looking for someone else and got Slim Pickens.

I'm pretty sure the accident was also the reason Dr. Strangelove was in a wheelchair. The character wasn't written that way, it was to accomodate Sellers' injury.

Another bit of trivia: if you watch Pickens in the scene where he goes over the contents of his "emergency kit" or whatever it's called, he says something to the effect of "a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas" with all the stuff in the kit and you can tell that "Vegas" was dubbed in later. The original line was "good weekend in Dallas" (the character was a Texan) but the film was scheduled for release in early 1964 and after the Kennedy assassination the dialogue was rerecorded with "Vegas" in place of "Dallas."

[razark]

Peter Sellers hurt his foot. This is why you see him moving rarely in the movie.
Ah, well.

Another bit of trivia: if you watch Pickens in the scene where he goes over the contents of his "emergency kit" or whatever it's called, he says something to the effect of "a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas" with all the stuff in the kit and you can tell that "Vegas" was dubbed in later. The original line was "good weekend in Dallas" (the character was a Texan) but the film was scheduled for release in early 1964 and after the Kennedy assassination the dialogue was rerecorded with "Vegas" in place of "Dallas."
I love that part. A couple of years ago, a friend of mine made me up a "survival kit", based off of the list. He substituted in various items. The medical items were all replaced with assorted kinds of booze, the pistol was a slingshot, packets of trail mix, all packed into an old ammo box with a contents list (annotated with the substitutions).

Edit:
I still haven't found any use for three lipsticks or three pair of nylon stockings, though.

[frau kaleun]

I still haven't found any use for three lipsticks or three pair of nylon stockings, though.

O RLY?

http://chzhistoriclols.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/funny-pictures-history-time-to-diet.jpg

:O:

[TLAM Strike]

Edit:
I still haven't found any use for three lipsticks or three pair of nylon stockings, though. You need to find a girl first.... :03:

[razark]

O RLY?
Ok, two pair of nylon stockings. But we don't talk about that night very often.

You need to find a girl first.... :03:
:hmmm:

I'm pretty sure my wife might have something to say about that. :dead:

[TLAM Strike]

:hmmm:

I'm pretty sure my wife might have something to say about that. :dead:

Why would you go and tell your wife for? You are new at this arn't you?

...
...
...
...then again she might be in to that... if so she is a keeper as they say!

:O:

[frau kaleun]

Ok, two pair of nylon stockings. But we don't talk about that night very often.

There, there. We understand. It gets lonely on those long flights. And so cold at those altitudes.

A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, even if it means doing the bombardier. :O: