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SAS members possibly captured by the rebels. :hmmm:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12658054
Jimbuna
03-06-11, 07:28 AM
Oh bugga!
They must have known the risks beforehand :nope:
By the rebels? I thought we were trying to help them?
Jimbuna
03-06-11, 09:11 AM
I wouldn't be trusting either side or anybody else for that matter in that country :nope:
By the rebels? I thought we were trying to help them?
Precisely what went through my mind when I heard the news. :doh:
Orcs fighting orcs.
Maybe they'll do us all a favor and wipe themselves out.
Sky news reporting that their sources have told them that the eight special forces have left Libya on board HMS Cumberland. So, alls well that ends well. I suspect it was a misunderstanding since the guys were not in uniform and carrying weapons, the guys who arrested them probably thought they were mercs from Daffy.
Sky news reporting that their sources have told them that the eight special forces have left Libya on board HMS Cumberland. So, alls well that ends well. I suspect it was a misunderstanding since the guys were not in uniform and carrying weapons, the guys who arrested them probably thought they were mercs from Daffy. An understandable explanation, :yep:
A day of fierce fighting in Libya has seen rebels trying to hold back an intensified counter-offensive by forces loyal to Col Muammar Gaddafi.
Rebels said they repelled government forces from Zawiya, west of Tripoli, after intense fighting.
Further east, government troops fought their way into Misrata using tanks and artillery, before being forced back.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12661402
Note:6 March 2011 Last updated at 23:44 GMT
Jimbuna
03-07-11, 02:59 AM
Following that latest update from Reuters we'll return to normal transmission :DL
:03:
*must create a Reuters gif or smiley*
Castout
03-07-11, 03:08 AM
Hey I found this!
http://www.funnycoolstuff.com/images/hello-kitty-tank.jpg
aah wrong thread....I thought this was the funny picture thread.
Castout
03-07-11, 03:18 AM
Back to topic I bet Gaddafi had this in his mind. If only war could be settled online in Starcraft. It would be much more fun...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/roh_kudus/c6b284fd_fb7d_13bb.gif
More fun than this, we are still waiting hardly see
The botched SAS mission to Libya was authorised by Foreign Secretary William Hague, the government has confirmed.
Officials said it was normal procedure for such operations to be approved by the foreign secretary and another team would be sent to Libya "in due course".
The mission was aimed at making contact with opponents of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi amid the ongoing unrest.
Six soldiers and two Foreign Office officials were freed two days after being detained in eastern Libya.
They left for Malta on board HMS Cumberland on Sunday night.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12665575
Note;Update Record,7 March 2011 Last updated at 14:10 GMT
Jimbuna
03-07-11, 03:27 PM
Our next update will follow shortly
http://www.cityoflacrosse.org/images/CivicAlerts/ARCH/NewsSmiley_archived(12761508-1C37+3-250).gif
Tribesman
03-07-11, 04:01 PM
Our next update will follow shortly
He is slacking, looky the BBC had at 18:28GMT
Six soldiers and two Foreign Office officials were detained for two days by rebels in eastern Libya but were freed on Sunday and left the country.
Foreign Secretary William Hague said the men were withdrawn after a "serious misunderstanding" over their role.
Come on Reuters keep up.
ooops I forgot the ....:hmmm:
He is slacking, looky the BBC had at 18:28GMT
Six soldiers and two Foreign Office officials were detained for two days by rebels in eastern Libya but were freed on Sunday and left the country.
Foreign Secretary William Hague said the men were withdrawn after a "serious misunderstanding" over their role.
Come on Reuters keep up.
ooops I forgot the ....:hmmm: Tribesman,if you have a problem with what I post please send a PM so we can certainly solve this :shifty:
Forces loyal to Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi have launched further air strikes on the rebel-held oil port of Ras Lanuf, in a renewed offensive.
Warplanes fired missiles on residential areas and near rebel positions in the desert, witnesses said.
There were no reports of casualties.
Meanwhile, the rebels said they had been approached by pro-Gaddafi officials offering to hold talks on an exit for the Libyan leader.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12673956
Note: 8 March 2011 Last updated at 12:21 GMT
Tribesman
03-08-11, 08:20 AM
Tribesman,if you have a problem with what I post please send a PM so we can certainly solve this
Was there no cut and paste available?
You actually used your own words to say something instead of spamming the forum like a RSS feed. Well done.
Was there no cut and paste available?
You actually used your own words to say something instead of spamming the forum like a RSS feed. Well done. To do an update or to post a thread, the call I did not spamming, which may be for you!
Tribesman
03-08-11, 08:31 AM
To do an update or to post a thread, the call I did not spamming
a hundred and one cut and pastes from BBC is spamming, following the last BBC cut and paste on a news story with the latest BBC cut and paste of the same story is a whole regular spam factory.
a hundred and one cut and pastes from BBC is spamming, following the last BBC cut and paste on a news story with the latest BBC cut and paste of the same story is a whole regular spam factory. We have different opinions about what is spam or not, I can in this context to mention that for more than 25 years ago I worked at a newspaper before I moved to another working direction, and at this newspaper, I made edits articles and other appropriate work on a newspaper editorial, but certainly a different technique to what is still, I would like to do everything or modify existing article from links such as the BBC or Fox, this is a minor problem when the thing is already clear so you can maintain your theories about what is spam or not, and there is nothing that I will change.
The National Libyan Transitional Council has told the BBC there have been no direct contact with the Gaddafi regime amid reports that Gaddafi had asked to negotiate his exit.
Spokesman, Jala al-Gallal, said there would be "no negotiation" until pro-Gaddafi forces ceased "crimes against humanity".
Mr al-Gallal added that Mr Gaddafi should leave, but must face the consequences of his actions.
"To leave is one thing but not to be prosecuted at a further date is not acceptable," he said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12676672
Note: Update Record,8 March 2011 Last updated at 12:35 GMT
Jimbuna
03-08-11, 04:26 PM
I can't imagine he is negotiating his exit....surely :hmmm:
As honorable donor to L E S and a member of UN Human Rights Consul he should have no problem to find nice place for retirment lol.
Jimbuna
03-08-11, 06:55 PM
But not in the UK....................please :nope:
His future is extremely uncertain, but in Europe, he can forget :down:
Jimbuna
03-08-11, 07:17 PM
As honorable donor to L E S and a member of UN Human Rights Consul he should have no problem to find nice place for retirment lol.
How about in Tunisia or Egypt? :DL
How about in Tunisia or Egypt? :DL Tunisia,had or has fine beaches, where he can safely swim with all his remaining supporters :O:
Tunisia,had or has fine beaches, where he can safely swim with all his remaining supporters :O:
Something tells me that most people would rather he went swimming at Sharm el-Sheikh. :03:
Something tells me that most people would rather he went swimming at Sharm el-Sheikh. :03: Then it will be Egypt,
http://i.imgur.com/0tVBD.jpg
Jimbuna
03-09-11, 07:00 PM
Something tells me that most people would rather he went swimming at Sharm el-Sheikh. :03:
ROFLMAO :har:
Preferably dressed as a female German tourist :03:
http://i.imgur.com/czfvp.jpg
As honorable donor to L E S and a member of UN Human Rights Consul he should have no problem to find nice place for retirment lol.
He was kicked off the HRC btw. Years too late IMO.
Skybird
03-14-11, 04:47 PM
The forgotten war.
Rebels are being pushed back more and mroe and now need to battle for Benghazi. Artiullery and Airforce make the difference. Government now has momentum on it'S side.
Gaddafi wins.
Complices in his victory are Europe and the US, both refused to hinder him using his primary weapons. It seems to me that now it would be too late even if suddenly they would intervene.
And I wonder if there even was a Western interest in seeing Gaddafi going.
Also, Bahrain: Saudi tank columns are rolling into the country where the king lets massacres being committed against the revolting crowds. What has the EU to say on it? Washington? Anyone?
This really lets me wonder about the real motives and interests of the Western leaders. Maybe they are, like me, too worried about the perspective of Islam abusing democratic structures to strengthen its own position and to finally overthrow this new freedom to replace it with religious tyrannies. And, of course - OIL.
Gargamel
03-14-11, 05:26 PM
This really lets me wonder about the real motives and interests of the Western leaders. Maybe they are, like me, too worried about the perspective of Islam abusing democratic structures to strengthen its own position and to finally overthrow this new freedom to replace it with religious tyrannies. And, of course - OIL.
Interesting little piece I read the other day. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/9421899.stm
But as to the western leader choices. Maybe they have looked at the possible alternatives to the current governments, and have decided the devil they know is better than the one they don't. And as you mentioned there's always oil. Their primary responsibility is to their own country first, and if that means sacrificing some foreign rebels in a country that 99% of their population couldn't place on a map just to keep the quality of life in their country at an adequate level, then so be it they may think.
I'm not advocating that, just maybe that's what they are thinking.
Tribesman
03-14-11, 05:27 PM
Maybe they are, like me, too worried about the perspective of Islam abusing democratic structures to strengthen its own position and to finally overthrow this new freedom to replace it with religious tyrannies.
I could have sworn that someone just wrote about the crazy terrorist supporting fundamentalist wahhibis with their religious tyrannys and "morality" police moving in to crush a demonstration against a dictatorship by the minority.
Luckily the west feels like skybird and doesn't want the religious lunatics with their tyranny overthrown as it may lead to errrr....religious lunatics being tyrants:har:
CAIRO — In post-revolutionary Egypt, where hope and confusion collide in the daily struggle to build a new nation, religion has emerged as a powerful political force, following an uprising that was based on secular ideals. The Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist group once banned by the state, is at the forefront, transformed into a tacit partner with the military government that many fear will thwart fundamental changes.
It is also clear that the young, educated secular activists who initially propelled the nonideological revolution are no longer the driving political force — at least not at the moment.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/world/middleeast/25egypt.html?hp
Note: Update Record,March 24, 2011
Rockstar
03-25-11, 04:37 PM
Beat Vendor to this one.
Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
Beat Vendor to this one.
Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
I'm not surprised if the information is credible in the article
Skybird
03-26-11, 11:00 AM
Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links
If that gets confirmed, and gets demonstrated to reflect not an exception from the rule, but a rule for sure, then my hope and argument that our uncertainty about the rebel's nature could also mean that they would be a better alternative worth to be supported, would have been neutralised. That was always a possibility, but I hoped it would not be so.
If this news gets verified, then my/our support for the airwar was wrong, and I will u-turn immediately and withdraw any support for it, instead demanding to leave those people to themselves.
As long as the uncertainty about the rebels was existent, I still think it was the right thing to try it and push into that direction. But if we now learn that our hopes - once again - have been vaporised by Islamism in the region, then we have no argument anymore to help them to win.
Good find, Rockstar. I so far have not seen any comment on the rebel'S nature in German media.
Newspapers also reported there are suggestions to nevertheless release groundforces into Lybia now, both on NATO and US side. I ruled that out from beginning on. It would be another trigger for me to totally uturn immediately and not only no longer support the air intervention, but to attack it.
Maybe I really have forgotten this time that you can always trust blindly into the stupidity and unscrupelousness of Western politicians.
Jimbuna
03-26-11, 06:10 PM
Beat Vendor to this one.
Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
Like Sky states...if this gets confirmed everything from an Allied perspective could well change...which is the lesser of the two evils then? :hmmm:
Like Sky states...if this gets confirmed everything from an Allied perspective could well change...which is the lesser of the two evils then? :hmmm:
When CIA head says that MB are secular then as well there is a chance that this may get confirmed.:ping:
Yes and no, in this case, from my point of view
If AQ is in he mix, perhaps we could have some unfortunate friendly fire incidents. Just wait for a really big crowd.
These cells, or militant groups, reproduce relatively rapidly, even in other global contexts
Jimbuna
03-28-11, 05:13 AM
Q. Why is it we take out Gaddafis armour when it advances against the rebels?
A. Becuse it is deemed as a threat to civilians.
Q. Why is it we take out Gaddafis armour when it is in a static defensive formation and the rebels are advancing against it?
Just wondering if double standards are in operation here :hmmm:
Q. Why is it we take out Gaddafis armour when it advances against the rebels?
A. Becuse it is deemed as a threat to civilians.
Q. Why is it we take out Gaddafis armour when it is in a static defensive formation and the rebels are advancing against it?
Just wondering if double standards are in operation here :hmmm: "Double Standards", you are right in what you said Jim, but this thread comes from the unrest in Egypt from the beginning, (which you already know) so hence your questions and answers, I believe
Q. Why is it we take out Gaddafis armour when it is in a static defensive formation and the rebels are advancing against it?
A. Because the instant the first missile was launched we committed ourselves to taking a side and now we have no choice but to see it through. Obama in particular has to win as failure would probably cost him the re-election.
"Obama lied, people died"
"No blood for oil"
British military releases photos of when their attack plan strikes out Libyan military vehicles outside the urban Ajdabiya and Misrata.
http://i.imgur.com/wovhq.jpg
Yeah, they claim UN approval, then instantly they went beyond the UN mandate to attack other targets.
I don't know what I think. One, I think we should have wiped out Libya (the regime) ages ago for Pan Am 103. So attacking Gadhafi is fine (as long as we aim at HIM in addition to other targets). OTOH, the long time enemies of Gadhafi in Libya have included the Muslim Brotherhood, and its child organization, al Qaida. Anyone belonging to either of those I'm perfectly happy with killing as well.
I see almost zero possibility of any long term good coming of this situation. Ditto Egypt, ditto yemen, etc.
Jimbuna
03-28-11, 06:46 PM
A. Because the instant the first missile was launched we committed ourselves to taking a side and now we have no choice but to see it through. Obama in particular has to win as failure would probably cost him the re-election.
"Obama lied, people died"
"No blood for oil"
Yeah, they claim UN approval, then instantly they went beyond the UN mandate to attack other targets.
I don't know what I think. One, I think we should have wiped out Libya (the regime) ages ago for Pan Am 103. So attacking Gadhafi is fine (as long as we aim at HIM in addition to other targets). OTOH, the long time enemies of Gadhafi in Libya have included the Muslim Brotherhood, and its child organization, al Qaida. Anyone belonging to either of those I'm perfectly happy with killing as well.
I see almost zero possibility of any long term good coming of this situation. Ditto Egypt, ditto yemen, etc.
I tend to agree with you both :yep:
Yeah, they claim UN approval, then instantly they went beyond the UN mandate to attack other targets.
I don't know what I think. One, I think we should have wiped out Libya (the regime) ages ago for Pan Am 103. So attacking Gadhafi is fine (as long as we aim at HIM in addition to other targets). OTOH, the long time enemies of Gadhafi in Libya have included the Muslim Brotherhood, and its child organization, al Qaida. Anyone belonging to either of those I'm perfectly happy with killing as well.
I see almost zero possibility of any long term good coming of this situation. Ditto Egypt, ditto yemen, etc.
I completely agree with your assessment Tater, except that I have a less negative view of the future.
These uprisings in the ME were going to happen eventually. How else could the region ever pull itself out of the 14th century without a revolution against the old order?
The Arab countries in the Middle East must begin to take responsibility, so that the situation has become worse than it already is
CAIRO — Egypt’s military command said on Monday that the ousted president, Hosni Mubarak, was prohibited from leaving the country, and that it would soon lift a detested emergency law, among a number of announcements seemingly intended to shore up diminishing support for the armed forces council ruling the nation.
Members of the military command held a news conference at the Armed Forces Media Center in the Heliopolis district to announce its decision that parliamentary elections would be held in September, meeting the demands of some opposition leaders who wanted more time to organize political parties. Egypt’s presidential election, originally scheduled for August, would also be postponed, but the military did not announce a new date.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/29/world/middleeast/29egypt.html?ref=middleeast
Note: Update Record, March 28, 2011
For the 40K buff in me, this conflict has brought one of the best pictures I've seen this year:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j249/HeadWar/Odds%20and%20Ends/Drivemecloser-InLibya.jpg
NAHIA, Egypt — Abboud al-Zomor — the former intelligence officer who supplied the bullets that killed President Anwar el-Sadat and is Egypt’s most notorious newly released prisoner — waxes enthusiastic about ending the violent jihad he once led.
“The ballot boxes will decide who will win at the end of the day,” Mr. Zomor said during an interview in his large family compound in this hamlet on Cairo’s western edge. “There is no longer any need for me to use violence against those who gave us our freedom and allowed us to be part of political life.”
In its drive to create a perfect Islamic state, his Islamic Group and other groups like it were once synonymous with some of the bloodiest terrorist attacks in Egypt. But they are now leaping aboard the democracy bandwagon, alarming those who believe that religious radicals are seeking to put in place strict Islamic law through ballots.
The public approval of the constitutional amendments on March 19 provided an early example of Islamist political muscle, the victory achieved in no small part by framing the yes vote as a religious duty. But perhaps the most surprising aspect of the Islamist campaign was the energy invested by religious organizations that once damned the democratic process as a Western, infidel innovation masterminded to undermine God’s laws.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/world/middleeast/02salafi.html?hp
Note: Update Record,April 1, 2011
UnderseaLcpl
04-02-11, 12:12 PM
Excellent. If the Islamic Group fails Egypt gets a decent democracy. If they succeed in creating a perfect Islamic state that engages in perfect Islamic behavior, they will be a perfect target for our perfectly-placed bombs for once.
Honestly though, I wish the revolutionaries of all these Islamic nations the best of luck, and I sincerely hope that they form good, free societies where Islam does not dominate their lives and they can start being a part of the larger world. But if that doesn't happen and the extremists take over after a popular uprising, with popular support, Islam, or at least some of it, will be showing itself for what it is.
I am so very tired of this BS game where we don't know who the enemy is or if they're the enemy or or if they're just misunderstood and so on and so forth. If Islam wants to express itself in the form of militarism and violence, let them. Better yet, let them express it on a state level. They want a jihad? I dare them to start one.
I completely agree with your assessment Tater, except that I have a less negative view of the future.
These uprisings in the ME were going to happen eventually. How else could the region ever pull itself out of the 14th century without a revolution against the old order?
I dearly hope you are correct. That said, I see this as replacing despots/oligarchies that are easy to deal with (because their primary interest is something that we can all understand and deal with easily—money) with a mob. A democratic mob would be fine except that the most organized elements on the ground are the MB, AQ, etc. They'll have the typical one man, one vote, once type election and put Allah in power.
I really hope I'm wrong.
Regardless, this has been utterly bungled by the West. If they were going to be decisive, the time for that was weeks before they acted. The whole "stand back and watch" nature is absurd. if we have interest enough to use force, we should take a specific side—even within the rebels. Secularists? Full air support. Islamists? Let the Islamists and Gadhafi forces get into close quarters, then Arclight both of them. If we don't have an interest in who wins, we should not be involved at all.
People are welcome to disagree with the Bush Administration notion of nation building and geopolitics, but the reality is that even if wrong (in concept, execution, or both), they had an overall goal in mind. In addition, the US has a clear geopolitical interest in the Gulf (again, you can argue what we did, but not that we have vital interest there). What is the goal with Libya? The geopolitical goal. "Protecting rebels" or civilians there is not a viable goal. Oil is a viable rationale, OTOH. Strikes me as another Kosovo situation where the only good war is one that is entirely useless to the US interest.
Former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak has been summoned by the state prosecutor for questioning over alleged corruption and killings of protesters.
The announcement came shortly after Mr Mubarak made his first statement since he was ousted two months ago, denying accusations of corruption.
The former leader said he had the right to defend his reputation and denied having any assets in foreign countries.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13029597
Note: Update Record,10 April 2011 Last updated at 18:13 GMT
Jimbuna
04-10-11, 04:12 PM
:hmmm:
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:hmmm:
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/9501/liarrv1ed9.gif
http://i.imgur.com/WUTcp.jpg
Jimbuna
04-10-11, 04:21 PM
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Jimbuna
04-11-11, 01:39 PM
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