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After the last time this happen I loaded up my fully patched SH3 disk but last week the dreaded Kernel.dll issue struck again. I am getting fed up un-installing then re-installing SH3, if there any answer to this damn CTD caused by kernel.dll as I am close to pulling the plug.
SH3, GWX3.0 Gold, SH3C and a number of mods on Win XP
Generally this happens when you run out of memory, just disable one of the big mods and you'll probably be ok, I still have those and have to put up with it till I get Win 7 64 bit.:yep: Please list your mods!
As Reece said, it's memory related. On XP 32bit there are options to squeeze more out of your memory for the bigger mods but ultimately you will hit a brick wall. This issue used to drive me crazy until I set up my OS with a /3GB switch, patched my .exe with a 4GB patch and started the game only after a full restart and use of gamebooster. I also had to ditch the FMNewinterior mod as that was just too much for my already heavily modded game.
W7 64 is but a mere few months away though when i upgrade my system. :rock:
I still got 110GB free space on the C: Drive.
Apart from GWX as said heres the rest of the small mods...
GWX - Captain America's Officer Icons
GWX - English Nav Map and Grid Refs
GWX - Enhanced Damage Effects
GWX - No Medals on Crew
Blue Menu Screen without pictures
BlueNightMap
GWX 3 St Naz and Schluese V3
GWX3.0 Additional_Ammo
Harbour sound
QueensSkins
Real Depth Charge
RN CV Glorious
SalvageTugboat_MOD
sangiorgio
Searchlights_Removed
Sonar Sounds
Stopwatch and tube touch ups
Stronger Torpedo Mod
Torpedo damage Final
WhaleChaser_MOD
Ultimate Aircraft Soundmod
Wooden_Lifeboats_Mod_1.1
ContactLines_forGWX2.0
GWX - 16km Atmosphere
Conus' Historically Accurate U-boat Emblems 1.0
GWX 3.0 Mission Orders
Binoculars Mod
HurricaneReskin_Dowly
GWX 2.1 Spy Sat
External Cargo from SH5
Type VII No.6
No continuous 'Ship spotted' V1.2 for GWX3
SeaWolf U-57
01-26-11, 08:53 AM
I think you will find the above posters are talking about RAM memory
and not the free space on your hard drive.
The more active Ram memory you have set aside for the game the smoother
and also cooler your computer will run this will reduce the chance of a CTD
or overheat game shutdown.
If you upgrade to windows 7 64bit version it is still a good idea to also use the 4Gb patch. :up:
Half asleep. :damn:
Unfortunately I have no capital to buy a new PC, not for a few years.
Just to add what the problem is, yes its CTD but the game load up OK but on the second loading screen the red bar almost gets to the end then CTD.
SeaWolf U-57
01-26-11, 09:45 AM
If you are starting a new patrol the information that has to be generated
to start a modded game is huge.
This requires a lot of free Ram Although saying that if the game crashes very near completion of loading this could also be a Graphic's issue.
The only thing I can suggest to lower the load is to disable the 16Km Atmosphere mod this should help. :hmmm:
:hmmm: I will that ago, I just started a new campaign and I will keep an eye on it.
Steed, I see by your mod list that you are actually running less in memory hungry mods than I am, so I'm sure we can get this sorted for you. First, here are my biggest memory hog active mods:
Wilhelmshaven, St Naz, schleuse and extra ships
MEP v3 20km atmosphere
Sh4 effects
Merchant fleet mod interim
Community Units
That's just 5 of the 32 I have enabled (can't be assed to list them all, can't copy & paste JSGME list) and I'm able to run the game fine providing I do the following:
Have my sh3.exe patched with the 4gb patch, set up a second option on my boot.ini to allow the /3gb switch, always restart the PC before playing the game (necessary with the 3/gb switch anyhow), and use gamebooster to close unneeded processes and free up RAM immediately before starting the game.
Without doing the above, I get kernel.dll or ntdll.dll CTD's so it should work for you.
My system:
AMD Athlon x2 5200+ CPU
2 Gig Crucial Ballistix 800mhz RAM
ASUS 9800GT 1 GB GPU
Windows XP 32bit SP3
SeaWolf U-57
01-26-11, 11:25 AM
That will probably be your ASUS 9800Gt Graphics card helping out with the strain
Great graphics card with it's own memory and not converted system memory. :up:
Yeh, 9800GT is pretty darn good for it's price, one of the best value cards out there as long as you don't expect to run Crysis at full pelt with it. I'll be upgrading my rig soon and rather than buy a new GPU, I might just get another 9800GT and run SLI, although I do prefer the idea of a single high power GPU but it's a question of price over necessity.
STEED needs to tell us his exact spec, see if this is hardware related or fixable through what I previously described.
SeaWolf U-57
01-26-11, 12:49 PM
May I suggest The Zotac GeForce GTS450
at quite a reasonable price in your local PCWorld
it only requires one high power lead.
and can handle almost anything :up:
PCWorld??!! Last time I bought anything there I came within about 30 secs of being banned from every store in the country when I had to continually take a motherboard back because they wouldn't exchange it. AND I was working for Dixons Stores Group (the company that OWNS PCWorld) at the time. Bunch of cowboys, the lot of them with staff that no absolutely nothing about the products they sell and treat customers like dirt if you don't agree to the 'extended warranty' that means sweet naff all when you read the small print (I worked in the Coverplan department so trust me I KNOW). They'll never see a penny or a recomendation out of me again.
/rant
:nope:
No, I use these guys nowadays:
www.ebuyer.com
Great customer service, great prices and delivery times are very good. Now that's what I highly recommend. And thanks for the GPU suggestion. :up:
I'm now getting this s***!
App Name SH3.exe
App Ver 1.4.0.1
Mod Name SH3.exe
Mod Ver 1.4.0.1
Specs
Dell Inc. Dimension 8400
Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 (build 2600)
3.00 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4
16 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GS
BTW: SH4 runs ok if that is of any help.
Ok, so let's do this one step at a time, leaving the patching til last. First, download Gamebooster: http://iobit.com/downloadcenter.php?product=game-booster-v1 (direct link). It's the 1.6 version, there is a v.2 but it caused a few problems with my rig, dunno if it's just me but start with this one first as that's what I use. Click No when it asks if you want to update (when it starts up).
Once installed, restart the PC and immediately before you run SH3, run Gamebooster and click 'Gaming Mode'. It will bring up a dialog with a list of programs running on your PC *in addition* to the default processes it closes. Put a check in the boxes for any running programs you know you don't need during your game session then click 'Close them'. It should then close down all the checked processes and defrag and free up any RAM. It will then minimize itself to the tray and you can start SH3. See if that makes a difference first of all, if not, we'll start with the patches, but Gamebooster is good to have for any game so well worth having regardless.
Damo, I get this...The Set Up Files Are Coruptted...When I click on the link.
Defrag the C: last night.
Ok, I finally found ver1.6 on the net.
BTW: Anyone know about the second problem I posted?
CTD on second load up screen, used SH3C & SH3 icons, like the Kernel.dll the load up bar is almost at the end then blank screen followed by this program is not responding and must close down.
That's precisely the problem I'm trying to help you solve, just I don't want to get you patching .exe's and editing bootfiles unless it's absolutely necessary.
Now, did you try loading SH3 after a restart and running gamebooster?
Tried it, no luck.
CTD SH3.exe
I'm going to un-install it again and do all the usual then reinstall it, but before I install GWX I'm going to see what the results are for stock first.
Well tried stock, same again...
SH3.exe
I am now really bloody fed up with this. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/icons/icon8.gif
SeaWolf U-57
01-27-11, 04:12 PM
Just out of interest do you delete your saved games folder SH3
in your programs if not there could be something contained in it
that is causing a problem :hmmm:
:sign_yeah:
I've never had any problems with a stock install, it's only when I start adding the mods that I need to do all the patching shennanigans. Use a registry cleaner to clear out all traces of SH3 before reinstalling.
drakkhen20
01-27-11, 09:40 PM
It sounds like ram issues and clearing out files from your hard drive and documents. Win xp and vista are both ram hungry os's and they fixed this in win 7. So if you had 7 in 32bit you wouldnt or rather shouldnt have these problems. Win 7 (oem) 32bit is $109 from tigerdirect.com and btw if all your running is games like sh3 you should be fine with your video card. Im upgrading to 2 gtx 570s here soon but right now I have 3 9800 gtx's and they do fine with games like crysis on "high" setting. I have had one 9800 gtx run on a vista 32bit platform and run sh3 fine with alot of mods. But check your files in my documents and install your sh3.exe file on your c drive instead of under programfiles. It will read like this - C:silenthunter3 - or something like that. See if that helps.
I'm now getting this s***!
App Name SH3.exe
App Ver 1.4.0.1
Mod Name SH3.exe
Mod Ver 1.4.0.1
Specs
Dell Inc. Dimension 8400
Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 3 (build 2600)
3.00 gigahertz Intel Pentium 4
16 kilobyte primary memory cache
1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache
NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GSLocate the icon for "My Computer" or just "Computer", then right-click on it and choose properties. The tab that you get to see should tell you how many MB (megabytes) or GB (gigabytes) of RAM is on your PC. The above doesn't say enough. The cache-size is of little or no consequence.
Just out of interest do you delete your saved games folder SH3
in your programs if not there could be something contained in it
that is causing a problem :hmmm:
I do the works, delete the SH3 folder in the C: & from My Docs then run Ccleaner then a restart.
Locate the icon for "My Computer" or just "Computer", then right-click on it and choose properties. The tab that you get to see should tell you how many MB (megabytes) or GB (gigabytes) of RAM is on your PC. The above doesn't say enough. The cache-size is of little or no consequence.
Pentium(R) 4CPU 3.00GHz
2.99Ghz 1.50 GB of Ram
TheDarkWraith
01-28-11, 03:12 PM
is this a laptop? Maybe the video card is using 'shared memory' (aka system memory) and thus leaving a very small amount of actual memory for the application :hmmm:
is this a laptop? Maybe the video card is using 'shared memory' (aka system memory) and thus leaving a very small amount of actual memory for the application :hmmm:
No, an old Dell 8400...I would say a good six years old now.
BTW: Never had any problems with stock SH3 way back before GWX.
TheDarkWraith
01-28-11, 03:32 PM
a long shot but what is your swap file size?
a long shot but what is your swap file size?
No idea.
How do you find it?
SeaWolf U-57
01-28-11, 04:01 PM
I once had something similar thinking about it
my files started to show incomplete and when trying
a reinstall it would work for a short time and then again
would fail.
This was caused by my hard drive heading towards disaster
It was time for a new one :nope:
TheDarkWraith
01-28-11, 04:32 PM
No idea.
How do you find it?
Don't remember in XP but in Win 7 its:
Start-->Control Panel-->System-->Advanced system settings-->Advanced tab-->In performance box Settings-->Advanced tab-->Virtual memory
Space available 122299MB
Initial size (MB) 2046
Maximum size (ME) 4092
Custom size is selected
Minimum allowed 2MB
Recommended 2301MB
Currently allocated 2046 MB
TheDarkWraith
01-28-11, 04:48 PM
looks ok. Why custom size though?
looks ok. Why custom size though?
No idea, first time I have ever seen it.
Should I leave it or can I do something?
I was looking at this and wondering should I change the 2046 to 2301 only if you guys think its OK to do so.
Recommended 2301MB
Currently allocated 2046 MB
I was looking at this and wondering should I change the 2046 to 2301 only if you guys think its OK to do so.
Recommended 2301MB
Currently allocated 2046 MB
Well I took the decision to bump it up to 2301 and re-installed stock SH3 with no mods and at this stage I will say there is some good news, went out on two quick patrols and no CTD.
I will run stock over Saturday and see how I get on, if no CTD I will install GWX on Sunday.
I have my XP Min & Max the same so there is no paging and caching is better, also have mine to reflect the ram size (4096).:yep:
Fader_Berg
01-29-11, 06:21 AM
I have my XP Min & Max the same so there is no paging and caching is better, also have mine to reflect the ram size (4096).:yep:
Pageing occures anyways. The only positive thing about having min = max is that your pagefile doesn't start out low and needs resizing later (which is a resource demanding operation).
I recommend all users to have min = max.
Those who suspects memory issues with SH3 could check what your computer peaks when playing the game.
Restart the computer and play SH3. When done (or when game has crashed) check the peak level against your limits of the memory. XP users may do this under the performance tab in 'Windows Task Manager'. While Vista and W7 users must download 'Process Explorer' (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb896653), start it and select View -> System Information.
So far today playing stock with no mods has been OK, no CTD or any other issues. Tomorrow I will load up GWX and see how that goes.
Now optimistic. :)
So far today playing stock with no mods has been OK, no CTD or any other issues. Tomorrow I will load up GWX and see how that goes.
Now optimistic. :)
I don't foresee any problems with adding GWX, it's only when you start adding all the extra mods on top that you're more likely to run into the kernel.dll memory issue, at which point you'll need the patching I described earlier. Keep us posted and I'll keep an eye on this thread. Glad you have the game back anyway.
:yeah:
Good day on stock, had one CTD but that was in the game and I dismissed this as this has happen in game on GWX. Loaded up again and no problem, damn planes too many of them. :haha:
OK, tomorrow will just try GWX and the only mods I will put in will be the extra ships I picked up and that will be it. Will post out come on Sunday and hope this will go well.
BTW: Thanks to all you guys who have been helping out. :up:
Jimbuna
01-29-11, 08:04 PM
Apologies....late to the party but I will monitor this thread STEED in case I can be of any assistance.
My initial thoughts are that you don't have sufficient memory allocated or otherwise to run everything you want.
drakkhen20
01-29-11, 09:37 PM
Well try intalling or adding mods one by one and see when it throws the kernall out at you then uninstall the suspected mod and run the game as you would normally and see if it throws it at you again. If it doesnt then skip the suspected mod and add the rest one by one to see if its windows or system ctd or the game itself is causing ctd.
Evening all, bad start with SH3.exe CTD...But I think I have found the problem. What I did in the past was to make a copy of the Roster & Sea folders as I got so bored with putting new ships in to the game after reinstalling the game, I would just swap them over.
So I took them out and had two back to patrols and rebooted the PC and went back on GWX for another patrol and all was well for all three.
As the saved Files had more ships in them, is this causing a problem with the memory or were those folder(s) corrupt?
Light at the end of the tunnel, I hope so. :)
Will post again next weekend on future results.
drakkhen20
01-30-11, 02:08 PM
sounds like atleast one of the files could have been corrupt or it might be alittle bit of both. Corrupt and too many ships. I know some mods do use alot of ram like all the ships in port use alot of ram. Too many ships could turn it to become unstable. Who knows. Its a big process of elimenating.
Jimbuna
01-31-11, 02:46 PM
Light at the end of the tunnel, I hope so. :)
You just make sure it ain't a train coming towards you from the other end :DL
Evening all, bad start with SH3.exe CTD...But I think I have found the problem. What I did in the past was to make a copy of the Roster & Sea folders as I got so bored with putting new ships in to the game after reinstalling the game, I would just swap them over.
So I took them out and had two back to patrols and rebooted the PC and went back on GWX for another patrol and all was well for all three.
As the saved Files had more ships in them, is this causing a problem with the memory or were those folder(s) corrupt?
Light at the end of the tunnel, I hope so. :)
Will post again next weekend on future results.In your list you don't seem to have many ships added, if you had the Merchant Fleet mod installed I would recommend disabling that, the only other big one you have on top of GWX3 is the GWX 3 St Naz and Schluese V3 mod, you could try disabling that but you would have to start a new campaign.
Also you will get CTD's by enabling/disabling mods (removing ships especially) and loading an old save instead of starting a new patrol.:hmmm:
Had a spin today and all went well, I only loaded Von Doss big ships he did which I feel I could not do without but have decided to stop there. Loaded SH3C and a small selection of must have mods, so I shall see how it goes from now on.
You just make sure it ain't a train coming towards you from the other end :DL
Simple answer to that one jim throw some leaves down on the line, just watch it grind to a stop. :rotfl2:
Had a spin today and all went well, I only loaded Von Doss big ships he did which I feel I could not do without but have decided to stop there. Loaded SH3C and a small selection of must have mods, so I shall see how it goes from now on.
Glad to hear you're back at sea.
Jimbuna
02-03-11, 11:32 AM
Simple answer to that one jim throw some leaves down on the line, just watch it grind to a stop. :rotfl2:
LOL :DL
So far all is well again in my world and I hope it remains like that for now on. Thanks to everyone who helped out, again.
Jimbuna
02-05-11, 07:55 PM
So far all is well again in my world and I hope it remains like that for now on. Thanks to everyone who helped out, again.
Pleased to hear it....SINK EM ALL!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif
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