Going to give U boats a try for a while.SH 3 with GWX or SH 4 with OP Monsun?

[Bubblehead1980]

Going to give U Boats a try again.I checked out OM a while back and liked it but I'm a PTO fleetboat guy.However, played a bit lately and think will give the Pacific a rest for a few.Being home for holidays, lot of free time on hands so figured may try U Boats.

So as the title says, question is which would be the better sim? Thinking I could purchase SH 3 and give GWX Gold a try or should just load up OM again .Better Uboat sim?

[irish1958]

Going to give U Boats a try again.I checked out OM a while back and liked it but I'm a PTO fleetboat guy.However, played a bit lately and think will give the Pacific a rest for a few.Being home for holidays, lot of free time on hands so figured may try U Boats.

So as the title says, question is which would be the better sim? Thinking I could purchase SH 4 and give GWX Gold a try or should just load up OM again .Better Uboat sim?
SHIIIGWX

[Sailor Steve]

Both are about equal. GWX gives a broader experience overall, but SH4 has some built-in operations that put it ahead in the mechanics department. Due to OM being built by a team of 1, what's lacking is the extras that come from a larger group.

If you need visual goodies (and I do), you'll play SH3 with GWX (and I do). If you love the extra benefits that come with SH4 (and I do), you'll play OM (and I do).

[Bubblehead1980]

Both are about equal. GWX gives a broader experience overall, but SH4 has some built-in operations that put it ahead in the mechanics department. Due to OM being built by a team of 1, what's lacking is the extras that come from a larger group.

If you need visual goodies (and I do), you'll play SH3 with GWX (and I do). If you love the extra benefits that come with SH4 (and I do), you'll play OM (and I do).


what goodies are we talking about?

[FIREWALL]

SHCOMMANDER is the deal maker. I don't leave port without it. :haha:

[Bubblehead1980]

SHCOMMANDER is the deal maker. I don't leave port without it. :haha:


what does SHCommander do?

[FIREWALL]

what does SHCommander do?

This will explain it all. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147237

[Sailor Steve]

what goodies are we talking about?
GWX gives many different ships, great in-harbor experiences, hidden treasures like K-ships (blimps) escorting US convoys - little things that make the experience feel better, plus excellent gameplay.

LSH3 and WAC both offer even more visual experiences, if not the same gameplay; like completely revamped harbors and the actual real bridges over the Kiel Canal, including the rotating railroad bridge. Those are all little things, but they make a big difference.

And of course Commander. SH3 Commander changes the way you look at the game, adding reality to the career, not the game. Almost two billion crew names, real ship names and information, crew rotation, career information...you can read it all in Jaesen's manual.

SH4, on the other hand, hasn't had anyone mod any of those cool things. This is too bad, because it has better management and graphics, better stability, better everything really. If it had a version of Commander we could not only have real ship names, but guarantee that the names were nation-specific, so if you sank a ship with a Brazilian flag it would get a Brazilian name. SH3 can't do that.

[Robin40]

Well...I tried and retried....but I couldn't run SH3 GWX or LSH3 or WAC on my Vista 32 system:cry::timeout:

geeezzzz.....made it work

[Bubblehead1980]

Well I decided to go with OM until I get SH 3 and set it up.

I have:

OM V705
OM V705 to V 720
OM V720 patch
OMEGU V300
OMEGUV300 patch


Any other suggestions for mods? Tips? etc

[Robin40]

Well I decided to go with OM until I get SH 3 and set it up.

I have:

OM V705
OM V705 to V 720
OM V720 patch
OMEGU V300
OMEGUV300 patch


Any other suggestions for mods? Tips? etc

well...if you try GWX....you have to swallow a 646 pages manual:salute:

[Alky]

I had the same thoughts, I already owned SH4 Gold but thought I should buy SH3 and add GWX so that I had a dedicated U-Boat sim and a dedicated fleet boat sim. So Amazon was nice enough to sell me an unused copy. As it turns out I was so accustomed to SH4 that SH3 was quite alien to me so now it sits on my hard drive and I use OM with SH4. I just don't have the energy to learn another game when SH4+OM do what I want anyway :)

[Sailor Steve]

Since you already have SH4, you've made a wise choice to go with OM. That said, SH3 is very cheap these days. When you asked about the "goodies" I should have shown you this thread.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170090

What makes me sad is that any of the mods listed in that thread could be done for SH4, which is the better (more advanced) game. But no one seems interested.

well...if you try GWX....you have to swallow a 646 pages manual:salute:
No you don't - have to swallow it whole, that is. You can always take little bites. :O:

[fitzcarraldo]

I think SH4 is better adapted for PTO. For U-Boats, SH3 (GWX or NYGM or LSH3 or WAC) is the option. I tried and I have installed OM (with OMEGU), but - in my machine - is buggy. And lacks all that fun stuff of SH3, because it isn´t attractive to the modders...(I don´t know why). I think SH3 plus some supermod plus other goodies is very very immersive, plus SH3 Commander, is the the best U-Boot subsim.

SH4 - with better graphics and better crew management than SH3, is a cold game. I use TMO plus RSRDC, and FOTRS, both greats mods and the best for SH4, but SH3 is....better, friendly, and immersive. Or only is my sensation...?

Of course, I bought SH5, and I uninstalled it...It is a comic game, with comic crew, I prefer Sierra´s Aces of the Deep: more comic, more immersive.

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo :salute:

[McHibbins]

Sh4+OP Monsun = nice graphics
SH3+GWX+Cmdr = better immersion

[Bubblehead1980]

Sh4+OP Monsun = nice graphics
SH3+GWX+Cmdr = better immersion


Well I went with OM for now and enjoying it.Will get SH 3 eventually and give GWX a try.

[Ducimus]

Well I went with OM for now and enjoying it.Will get SH 3 eventually and give GWX a try.

Honestly, and this is just my opinion, going (or going back to) SH3 is either a labor of uboat love, or a walk down nostalgia lane as a weekend tourist. For all it's touted immersion, i personally find it really hard to go back to.

Maybe its because i've already played it for a couple years (in fact i've played SH3 far more then i have ever played SH4), or maybe it's because while i love WW2 submarines in general, I'm not a devoted lover of uboats. Though, don't get me wrong here, i'm about as read up on Uboats as I am on fleet boats, I'm just not a fanboy.

But whatever it is, something REALLY hinders my enjoyment of SH3. I think its a combination of dated graphics, and really long loading times. With GWX, expect a 5 minute wait every time you load a game. Although, I've always had this issue with SH3 in general. I would sit there and stopwatch how long it took to load a game. Drove me nuts.

[Sailor Steve]

These guys keep talking about immersion. I'm not going to start an argument. Instead, I will suggest something I think is vital for immersion - the Das Boot Sound Mod:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=1083

And a little fix I made to go with it:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/downloads.php?do=file&id=1529

[Sailor Steve]

Honestly, and this is just my opinion, going (or going back to) SH3 is either a labor of uboat love, or a walk down nostalgia lane as a weekend tourist. For all it's touted immersion, i personally find it really hard to go back to.

Maybe its because i've already played it for a couple years (in fact i've played SH3 far more then i have ever played SH4), or maybe it's because while i love WW2 submarines in general, I'm not a devoted lover of uboats. Though, don't get me wrong here, i'm about as read up on Uboats as I am on fleet boats, I'm just not a fanboy.

But whatever it is, something REALLY hinders my enjoyment of SH3. I think its a combination of dated graphics, and really long loading times. With GWX, expect a 5 minute wait every time you load a game. Although, I've always had this issue with SH3 in general. I would sit there and stopwatch how long it took to load a game. Drove me nuts.
I agree. What keeps me playing SH3 is all the mods, and Commander (of course I'm biased because of the ship names :D).

SH4 with the same mods as SH3 would be a far better experience, and not just because of the graphics. We know that part of SH3's loading problem is the ship files, and the more you add the longer it takes to load. SH4 changes that completely, so if I had a way to name the ships they wouldn't only be named, they would have the proper names for each country, and all the countries could have all the ships and still load faster.

SH4 could be the best of them all if the modders would just look at it. Of course I don't mean you, Ducimus; you have looked at it long and hard and done your part to make it a great experience. I just feel like it's the poor relative who never gets a chance to shine.

[Ducimus]

SH4 could be the best of them all if the modders would just look at it.

That's a social/community issue. I would toss in "modder politiics" as well, but honestly... i don't see that being the case. All the old school modders seem to be done yelling and screaming at each other.

But anywho, i think its a social issue. Fans of any subject, I think tend to be close minded. Being a fan means, if its not mainly about what your into, your just not interested, so whatever it is, simply doesnt exist. For fans of Uboats, the Silent Hunter series is comprised of 2, 3, and 5. Titles number 1 and 4 simply don't exist.

At one point i did try to do (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1448920&postcount=121) , what i thought was some pretty cool stuff (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1449876&postcount=139). But ultimatly, burnout (mainly burnout), and low community interest lead me to just quit, and drop the ball on that. (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171443)

[Bubblehead1980]

That's a social/community issue. I would toss in "modder politiics" as well, but honestly... i don't see that being the case. All the old school modders seem to be done yelling and screaming at each other.

But anywho, i think its a social issue. Fans of any subject, I think tend to be close minded. Being a fan means, if its not mainly about what your into, your just not interested, so whatever it is, simply doesnt exist. For fans of Uboats, the Silent Hunter series is comprised of 2, 3, and 5. Titles number 1 and 4 simply don't exist.

At one point i did try to do (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1448920&postcount=121) , what i thought was some pretty cool stuff (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1449876&postcount=139). But ultimatly, burnout (mainly burnout), and low community interest lead me to just quit, and drop the ball on that. (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171443)


Awseome U boat work ducimus.The crewmen using the head is rather funny.

[Robin40]

SH3 GWX SH3 Commander Das Boot:DL
SH4 TMO+RSDC nice
SH5 a shoot'em game:down:

well...I bought SH5 first
then...I downgraded(downgraded...mmmmm) to SH4
and then....I downgraded(downgraded...mmmmm) to SH3

[Robin40]

That's a social/community issue. I would toss in "modder politiics" as well, but honestly... i don't see that being the case. All the old school modders seem to be done yelling and screaming at each other.

But anywho, i think its a social issue. Fans of any subject, I think tend to be close minded. Being a fan means, if its not mainly about what your into, your just not interested, so whatever it is, simply doesnt exist. For fans of Uboats, the Silent Hunter series is comprised of 2, 3, and 5. Titles number 1 and 4 simply don't exist.

At one point i did try to do (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1448920&postcount=121) , what i thought was some pretty cool stuff (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1449876&postcount=139). But ultimatly, burnout (mainly burnout), and low community interest lead me to just quit, and drop the ball on that. (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171443)

A SH5 GWX SH5Commander would be the ultimate Das Boot simulation....it wouldn't be impossible to do it