You think Frau can handle this man? Katana with katana?

[Castout]

:O:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=950DL0qVvEU&feature=grec_browse


Or is that just some fancy move for display without much use in real close combat against a katana master?

What do you think Frau?:D

Pretty mean guy to me :dead:..I'd hand over my wallet if he came to me with a katana in hand no question asked.

[frau kaleun]

Yeah, I've seen that clip before... I think I may even have the DVD of the show it was taken from.

Dude is clearly far more experienced, skilled, and comfortable handling a katana than I am, c'mon, I've done ONE fairly simple kata. And I don't work with a real blade, but a wooden practice sword.

That said, I have no idea if he's actually just really good at the kata or has actually trained in some style of traditional Japanese combat swordsmanship (and no, kendo as taught to win modern-day kendo tournaments doesn't count from what I've seen and heard). It's one thing to handle a weapon well in a choreographed performance and quite another to use it in a spontaneous confrontation with a similarly armed opponent.

Being able to perform well in a kata doesn't always translate into being able to hold one's own in a real fight. Case in point: I train with a guy who was a bartender for many years, during which time he made the acquaintance of a local martial arts instructor in another style. He got to know this guy well enough to have spent time watching him demonstrate his kata and techniques and in doing so the guy was consistently flawless and incredibly powerful. Truly a thing of beauty to behold. And yet this guy would come into the bar on a fairly regular basis and get into a fight with some random no-name and get his arse kicked every single time. :doh:

[Dowly]

I was left out again. :-?

[frau kaleun]

:O:

Pretty mean guy to me :dead:..I'd hand over my wallet if he came to me with a katana in hand no question asked.

Oh and I would prolly hand over my wallet to an armed attacker as well if that was all s/he wanted. Not worth anyone getting hurt over. Especially me. :D

[frau kaleun]

I was left out again. :-?

Do you train with swords? I didn't know.

I would like to but 1) I couldn't afford it and 2) the chances of finding someone hereabouts who actually teaches the katana exclusively and for real - not for scoring points in competition - are pretty much nil.

[Dowly]

I have a sword! :stare:

[the_tyrant]

Ill come to the next subsim meet dressed as a ninja
you guys would all cower behind frau at the sight of me. :haha:

[frau kaleun]

I have a sword! :stare:

There, there. Of course you do. And I'm sure you polish it daily. :O:

[Takeda Shingen]

While this is beautiful in it's choreography and clearly demonstrates his skill at handling a (possibly) sharpened blade, it is no indicator of actual fighting prowess. Many of his spins, flips and various swings are more aesthetic than practical, and would be of no value in combat. While the martial arts do place emphasis on aesthetics, it is only a mean, not an end. The man in the video has clearly spent a long period of time perfecting his kata, but it would appear that he has inverted the equation; something that many of my fellow martial artists have a tendancy to do.

[the_tyrant]

There, there. Of course you do. And I'm sure you polish it daily. :O:

its obviously an anti aircraft cannon. just look at its size:O:

[frau kaleun]

Ill come to the next subsim meet dressed as a ninja
you guys would all cower behind frau at the sight of me. :haha:


Any ninja they can see is a ninja not worth hiding from. :O:

[frau kaleun]

While this is beautiful in it's choreography and clearly demonstrates his skill at handling a (possibly) sharpened blade, it is no indicator of actual fighting prowess. Many of his spins, flips and various swings are more aesthetic than practical, and would be of no value in combat. While the martial arts do place emphasis on aesthetics, it is only a mean, not an end.

Well said. :yeah:

[Dowly]

There, there. Of course you do. And I'm sure you polish it daily. :O:

Gotta keep it in good shape, wouldn't you agree? :hmmm:

[frau kaleun]

Gotta keep it in good shape, wouldn't you agree? :hmmm:

Well, yes, but there's a difference between that and just wearing it down to a nub. :O:

[TLAM Strike]

Ill come to the next subsim meet dressed as a ninja
you guys would all cower behind frau at the sight of me. :haha:

... lets see, we got as members of Subsim:

...former Paras...
...retired Marines...
...ex Recon Infantry...
...Combat Engineers...
...a wide selection of sailors and airman...

... I say you last five seconds...

:O:

[frau kaleun]

yeah, why is anybody hiding behind me?

a fine howdy-do that would be. i'm a lay-dee! a delicate flower even.


:shifty:


i'll be the quiet one in the corner, taking notes. :D

[Dowly]

*hides behind FK*

mmmm....



What? You had to see that coming?!

Don't hurt me! Surrender and and all that stuff! :dead:

[frau kaleun]

*hides behind FK*

mmmm....



What? You had to see that coming?!

Don't hurt me! Surrender and and all that stuff! :dead:


:hmmm:

Well, at least you're not making a big show of trying to protect my honor. Because nobody would buy that for a second. :O:

[Castout]

Oh and I would prolly hand over my wallet to an armed attacker as well if that was all s/he wanted. Not worth anyone getting hurt over. Especially me. :D

:DL

[NeonSamurai]

... lets see, we got as members of Subsim:

...former Paras...
...retired Marines...
...ex Recon Infantry...
...Combat Engineers...
...a wide selection of sailors and airman...

... I say you last five seconds...

:O:

Don't forget all the crazies from GT.. like me :DL

[Skybird]

No doubt, the technical skill is impressive, and in no way I would ever claim to have been even close to that performance level. Compared to that display of choreography and skill, I was just a dilletant. But I simply reject an opinion that shows and sensationalism like this are what a warrior's arts are about. It is about lethal skill in real fighting, and character-education, both goes hand in hand. Neither me nor my mentor and trainer were able or even willing to bring this into cooperation with shows and tournaments and ordinary sports-as-a-hobby attitude. I for myself never did it for sports. And for my teacher, it was a way to form an honourable basic attitude to live by while transitting through this life. And I honestly think that this is what it is about: skill in real combat, and basic living attitude. Not shows, tournaments, and boasting with one's competitiveness.

And I am certain that there are some people in the world who live in the hidden and of whom we will never learn that they existed and who are happy not to ever stand in the spotlight, who would smoke this guy in their pipe, if they would clash. Not that they would ever actively search for such a meeting.

Or as Worf once put it in one episode: "The real warrior knows the important battles are those within himself, this is where he must prove himself." Added for pathetic effect to some TV series, yes - but true.

[Rhodes]

Kaaaameeeeeeee HAAAAAAAMMMMMMEEEEEEEEE Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Sailor Steve]

Oh and I would prolly hand over my wallet to an armed attacker as well if that was all s/he wanted. Not worth anyone getting hurt over. Especially me. :D
I once saw an interview with Jean-Claude Van Damme. The reporter asked him what he would do if someone in real life if someone pulled a gun on him and demanded his money.

To his credit, Van Damme answered "Give him my wallet and hope he didn't hurt me!"

[frau kaleun]

No doubt, the technical skill is impressive, and in no way I would ever claim to have been even close to that performance level. Compared to that display of choreography and skill, I was just a dilletant. But I simply reject an opinion that shows and sensationalism like this are what a warrior's arts are about. It is about lethal skill in real fighting, and character-education, both goes hand in hand. Neither me nor my mentor and trainer were able or even willing to bring this into cooperation with shows and tournaments and ordinary sports-as-a-hobby attitude. I for myself never did it for sports. And for my teacher, it was a way to form an honourable basic attitude to live by while transitting through this life. And I honestly think that this is what it is about: skill in real combat, and basic living attitude. Not shows, tournaments, and boasting with one's competitiveness.

And I am certain that there are some people in the world who live in the hidden and of whom we will never learn that they existed and who are happy not to ever stand in the spotlight, who would smoke this guy in their pipe, if they would clash. Not that they would ever actively search for such a meeting.

Or as Worf once put it in one episode: "The real warrior knows the important battles are those within himself, this is where he must prove himself." Added for pathetic effect to some TV series, yes - but true.

Bonus points for quoting Worf. :yeah:

We have had a couple higher-ranking people from our dojo who have performed in competition because they wanted to on their own - as far as I know, only doing kata. Yes, sensei helped them practice and fine tune their skills - but we aren't trained for competition, we don't compete as a school, it is something that is never mentioned much less put forward as a goal or encouraged as some way to gain prestige or "prove" oneself. Sensei has actually discouraged parents of some kids who thought throwing them into tournaments would be a good way to "build their self-esteem" (after a few months of lessons, right, having your kid get his butt handed to him in front of a crowd of strangers will just do wonders for his confidence) and he has lost students because of his refusal to get on board with that kind of thing.

Anyway, most of what we're taught is illegal in competition and would just get us thrown out. :D

[kiwi_2005]

I once saw an interview with Jean-Claude Van Damme. The reporter asked him what he would do if someone in real life if someone pulled a gun on him and demanded his money.

To his credit, Van Damme answered "Give him my wallet and hope he didn't hurt me!"


IF learning kung fu for the self defense then in this modern day its probably a waste of time. If your learning it for mastery of the mind, disipline, strength just all round well being then this sport will help you in life which im sure frau learns this sport for that reason.

Other than that I can't see what is the point people wanting to learn if for self defense when all you need is a gun or your trusty baseball bat. The Indiana Jones scene comes to mind where the arab sword weilding geek goes all nuts so indiana pulls out his gun and shoots him dead. No sword weilding stick fighting or round house kick is faster than a speeding bullet. Besides crims these days would shoot you dead before you got within 20feet of them.

thou there is one exception. Chuck Norris would probably catch the bullet & throw it back killing the bad guy instantly! :D

[frau kaleun]

IF learning kung fu for the self defense then in this modern day its probably a waste of time. If your learning it for mastery of the mind, disipline, strength just all round well being then this sport will help you in life which im sure frau learns this sport for that reason.

Other than that I can't see what is the point people wanting to learn if for self defense when all you need is a gun or your trusty baseball bat. The Indiana Jones scene comes to mind where the arab sword weilding geek goes all nuts so indiana pulls out his gun and shoots him dead. No sword weilding stick fighting or round house kick is faster than a speeding bullet. Besides crims these days would shoot you dead before you got within 20feet of them.

thou there is one exception. Chuck Norris would probably catch the bullet & throw it back killing the bad guy instantly! :D

Not every act of attempted physical assault involves a weapon, in fact I would hazard a guess that most do not, particularly those that are not premeditated.

And just to be picky and clarify - I am not training in or for a sport - what I'm taught is considered a martial art in the strictest sense of the phrase: a war art. It is taught that way by my instructor and that is certainly my approach to it (although others may take it up for a variety of reasons). :yep:

[kiwi_2005]

Not every act of attempted physical assault involves a weapon, in fact I would hazard a guess that most do not, particularly those that are not premeditated.

Well theres always a kick to the nuts, im not being funny a kick to the goonads will drop any man no matter how big he is, and it gives the victim time to run away or put the boot in and then run away. :DL When fighting how many street fighters or just plain thugs do you see protecting their private parts. None. They're always protecting their pretty faces. A firm power Kick in the nuts preferably with steel cap boots will drop him!


And just to be picky and clarify - I am not training in or for a sport - what I'm taught is considered a martial art in the strictest sense of the phrase: a war art. It is taught that way by my instructor and that is certainly my approach to it :yep:

Okay so your doing it for reasons as in War art :hmmm: I don't understand but I'm presuming you want to learn how it was back then and all the discipline that comes with it? Fare enough.

[TLAM Strike]

I think FK and some others might be interested in this:

Combatives FM 3-25.150 (http://www.selfdefenseresource.com/combatives/articles/combatives-fm-3-25.150.php)

Quite sure some others around here already are familiar with this (or its equivalent) already.

[Jimbuna]

Seen and been in a few fights in my time (got the runners up medals to prove it)...the one's that worried me were those performed/carried out by a practiced street fighter.

Plus I love this oldie :DL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy3ihR8bsPY

[Platapus]

thou there is one exception. Chuck Norris would probably catch the bullet & throw it back killing the bad guy instantly! :D

Get real

Chuck Norris would simply glare at the gun. The gunpower would then spontaneously change chemical form to render it noncombustible.

[frau kaleun]

Well theres always a kick to the nuts, im not being funny a kick to the goonads will drop any man no matter how big he is, and it gives the victim time to run away or put the boot in and then run away. :DL When fighting how many street fighters or just plain thugs do you see protecting their private parts. None. They're always protecting their pretty faces. A firm power Kick in the nuts preferably with steel cap boots will drop him!

:yep: A low, hard kick is always good. Difficult to see coming if someone is concentrating on defending the face and upper body. The knee is also a great target, whether you bust it or just buckle it enough to drop your opponent.


Okay so your doing it for reasons as in War art :hmmm: I don't understand but I'm presuming you want to learn how it was back then and all the discipline that comes with it? Fare enough.

Nope, wasn't referring to learning how it "was back then" - just that we are trained for combat, not competition. What we're taught is taught as something to be used for defense of self and others, whenever and wherever hand-to-hand fighting is necessary for that purpose. Not as ways to earn points in a tournament. We're taught to fight as "dirty" as need be to defend our lives and bodies from harm... nothing sporting about it. :D

[antikristuseke]

Fighting fair is all well and good, but I am going to gouge an eye out in a serious fight if the oportunity presents itself. If hte situation is serious the best kind of fight you can have is one that is over quickly.

[frau kaleun]

I think FK and some others might be interested in this:

Combatives FM 3-25.150 (http://www.selfdefenseresource.com/combatives/articles/combatives-fm-3-25.150.php)

Quite sure some others around here already are familiar with this (or its equivalent) already.


Bookmarked for future reference. Danke! :yeah:

I still remember my dad showing me some of the hand-to-hand stuff he learned in the army. The one I recall most vividly was the one he emphasized, probably because it was something anybody, including me, could do fairly easily - the hard open-palm strike straight to the face, preferably the nose.

It was also one of the first strikes I learned when I took up martial arts, and it's still one of my favorites... altho I'll probably always prefer jamming my elbow in there if at all possible.

[frau kaleun]

Seen and been in a few fights in my time (got the runners up medals to prove it)...the one's that worried me were those performed/carried out by a practiced street fighter.

Plus I love this oldie :DL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy3ihR8bsPY


:rotfl2:

That one never gets old.

[kiwi_2005]

Nope, wasn't referring to learning how it "was back then" - just that we are trained for combat, not competition. What we're taught is taught as something to be used for defense of self and others, whenever and wherever hand-to-hand fighting is necessary for that purpose. Not as ways to earn points in a tournament. We're taught to fight as "dirty" as need be to defend our lives and bodies from harm... nothing sporting about it. :D

Kinda sounds like a Blood sport. :rock:

[yubba]

God created man, Samuale Colt made them = I don't care how bad you think you are, if you are stareing down a barrel of a 45 hope you have some extra underware.

[Sailor Steve]

God created man, Samuale Colt made them = I don't care how bad you think you are, if you are stareing down a barrel of a 45 hope you have some extra underware.
This is true, and it doesn't have to be a .45. I can tell you from personal experience that when a .22 is pointed at you the barrel diameter is somewhere in the area of two feet.

On the subject of when and where to kick in a fight, I always liked Robert Heinlein's three rules of unarmed combat:

1. Hit first.
2. Hit hard.
3. Hit dirty.