Republicans break tax pledge hours after proposing it....

[Zachstar]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/09/dems-gop-already-broke-tax-cut.html


Four hours after the GOP rolled out its new campaign manifesto, a bill containing $12 billion in tax cuts for small business passed on a 237-187 vote in the House. Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) was the lone Republican to vote for the measure.

“By breaking one of their top pledges within hours of making it, Republicans proved that you can put as much stock into their promises as you can a promise made at a Lindsay Lohan probation hearing,” snapped Democratic National Committee spokesman Hari Sevugan.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/09/dems-gop-already-broke-tax-cut.html#ixzz10QATKF5S


The republican defence was just as pathetic.. Oh now so helping small biz is bailouts and tax increases?

This "Pledge to America" Is starting to be a dream come true for democrats picking it apart piece by piece to show how republicans vote against what they stand for time and time again.

[GoldenRivet]

both of those parties are out of contention for a while - with any luck

[Zachstar]

Stewart TORE APART that idiotic pledge. Showing it to be about as Bush Era as it gets.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/9/24/904853/-Jon-Stewart-blows-away-GOPs-Pledge-to-America!

So two years ago, just to get this straight, two years ago America broke up with you, because you had badly mistreated her. And so you disappear, do some soul-searching, get your head together, and you come back rapping on our door, hat in hand, and you say, "Baby, I know you love me. But if we get back together, I pledge to you, I promise you, I will still try to **** your sister every chance I get. It's who I am, baby! It's who I am! Now, make up your mind, because I'm not going to ask you twice!

[krashkart]

^^ LOL Ain't that the truth. :haha:


Somehow I'm just not surprised. Regardless of which party makes a "pledge", we can certainly count on promises not being kept. :shifty:

[Blood_splat]

There's only one party and that's the business/corporate party.

[mookiemookie]

HR 5297 is a good bill. Small business lending has been stagnant, and anything that can help prime the pump to get credit flowing in the SBA space is money well spent. I don't have the chart in front of me, but SBA loan volume plummeted after the 90% guarantee expired a few months ago (SBA loans are normally 80% guaranteed by the SBA.) This bill will extend the 90% provision and increase max loan size.

Stop being so partisan and look at things more pragmatically.

[August]

So what you're saying is that just because just ONE Republican voted for a tax bill that means the RepublicanS broke their tax pledge?

You Democrats sure are sounding more and more desperate to deflect public attention from your upcoming November train wreck. :DL

[SteamWake]

So what you're saying is that just because just ONE Republican voted for a tax bill that means the RepublicanS broke their tax pledge?

You Democrats sure are sounding more and more desperate to deflect public attention from your upcoming November train wreck. :DL

Thats exactly what is being said.

Walter Jones at that .. not exactly a 'staunch conservative'.

If conservatives do adhere to the tennants of this proposal it will be the liberals worst nightmare as it is exactly what a substantial proportion of the citizenship is looking for and directly contrary to the liberal agenda.

I guess the libs are saying "Hey were all for bigger goverment and higher taxes !!!"

I see this as a pre-emptive strike.

[Takeda Shingen]

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dc/2010/09/dems-gop-already-broke-tax-cut.html



The republican defence was just as pathetic.. Oh now so helping small biz is bailouts and tax increases?

This "Pledge to America" Is starting to be a dream come true for democrats picking it apart piece by piece to show how republicans vote against what they stand for time and time again.

Isn't this the kind of knee-jerk reaction that you were just deriding Team R for?

[SteamWake]

Also forgot to mention that the 'pledge' basically says "If we (conservatives not R vs D) gain control of congress agin, we pledge to stand by these standards".

Well right now they do not have contorl of congress and the climate on capitol hill is us tax and spend kensyian economic model vs them lower taxes smaller goverment and the one senator decided to join the 'us'.

[Takeda Shingen]

Also forgot to mention that the 'pledge' basically says "If we (conservatives not R vs D) gain control of congress agin, we pledge to stand by these standards".

I disagree with that, especially given the fact that the banner headline reads 'The 2010 Republican Agenda'.

http://pledge.gop.gov/

[mookiemookie]

If conservatives do adhere to the tennants of this proposal it will be the liberals worst nightmare as it is exactly what a substantial proportion of the citizenship is looking for and directly contrary to the liberal agenda.

How is it any liberals worst nightmare? Its full of the same stuff (in some cases word for word same stuff) they were saying back when they got their asses thrown out in 2006 and 2008. Heck, even the same stuff recycled from the 1994 Contract with America. And none of that got done either.

This is nothing new or different from the GOP.

[razark]

So what you're saying is that just because just ONE Republican voted for a tax bill that means the RepublicanS broke their tax pledge?

No, it says Republicans, except for one, failed to vote for tax cuts, except for one.

a bill containing $12 billion in tax cuts for small business... Rep. Walter Jones (R-N.C.) was the lone Republican to vote for the measure.

[SteamWake]

I'll just make one last point and back out of this 'discussion' because I know it is pointless in that no one will change their minds.

At least the republicans present a plan and if you read it you will see it is very much NOT "buisness as usuall".

Yall enjoy your talking points now. :salute:

[mookiemookie]

At least the republicans present a plan and if you read it you will see it is very much NOT "buisness as usuall".

:rotfl2: Be amazed as Jon Stewart proves that it is indeed by matching these "new ideas" said yesterday word for word with "new ideas" said 7 years ago:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-23-2010/postcards-from-the-pledge

Boehner 2010 repeating word for word what he said in 1998 (@ 2:54 in the video) was especially priceless.

If you believe this stuff, I have a bridge to sell you.

[August]

No, it says Republicans, except for one, failed to vote for tax cuts, except for one.

Yeah but:

UPDATE: House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) defended the move, saying Republicans opposed the measure because it contained bailout money and other tax increases.

So was it really a tax cut bill or a tax increase bill? We'll see what the American voter thinks come November.

[razark]

Yeah but:
Ack. That's what I get for not actually reading the story. :oops:

[August]

Ack. That's what I get for not actually reading the story. :oops:


Or that update might not have been there when you read it... :salute:

[Ducimus]

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[tater]

Another example of a BS bill. Call it a tax cut bill, but they throw in pork, etc.

Course the dems have called welfare payments "tax cuts." Cut taxes on people already paying zero taxes so they pay negative taxes. That's a "tax cut."

Meanwhile, tax breaks for the "rich"—the only people that actually pay enough taxes to matter—that's "bad."

They need to balance the damn budget by cutting spending. On entitlements.

[Bubblehead1980]

I love watching Democrats and their supporters get desperate, really is funny.:har:

[Platapus]

So what you're saying is that just because just ONE Republican voted for a tax bill that means the RepublicanS broke their tax pledge?

You Democrats sure are sounding more and more desperate to deflect public attention from your upcoming November train wreck. :DL


May I quote you the next time you make a generalization to make your point?

[Aramike]

HR 5297 is a good bill. Small business lending has been stagnant, and anything that can help prime the pump to get credit flowing in the SBA space is money well spent. I don't have the chart in front of me, but SBA loan volume plummeted after the 90% guarantee expired a few months ago (SBA loans are normally 80% guaranteed by the SBA.) This bill will extend the 90% provision and increase max loan size.

Stop being so partisan and look at things more pragmatically.:salute:

Well said! (Not implying that I endorse the bill or anything)

[Aramike]

May I quote you the next time you make a generalization to make your point?Shouldn't a generalization involve something that is generally true?

In which case, one Republican voting for something is does not mean that Republicans in general are voting for it.

[August]

May I quote you the next time you make a generalization to make your point?

Quote this: Calling a tax hike bill a tax cut bill didn't fool the republicans and it's not going to fool the voters.

Now if the ruling party were to put real small business tax break bill up for a vote i'd bet the gop would vote for it.

[Zachstar]

I'll just make one last point and back out of this 'discussion' because I know it is pointless in that no one will change their minds.

At least the republicans present a plan and if you read it you will see it is very much NOT "buisness as usuall".

Yall enjoy your talking points now. :salute:

Ya so Stewart just made up how their talking points are almost to the word (Or in the minority leaders case EXACTLY the word AND speed of reading) of their old game?

Republicans confirming they want to go back to Bush era policies. If that isnt a dream come true for dems needing campaign material I dont know what is!

[Zachstar]

Quote this: Calling a tax hike bill a tax cut bill didn't fool the republicans and it's not going to fool the voters.

Now if the ruling party were to put real small business tax break bill up for a vote i'd bet the gop would vote for it.

They GOP voted against Tax cuts for small biz plain and simple. Spin all you want but that was the major effect.

[tater]

I'm not exactly sure how the government lending money it doesn't have (borrow money to lend it?) is fiscally responsible.

Tax cuts for business? A good idea.

Spending money out of pocket (via "community" banks (you know, the kind that are NOT "too big to fail")) is entirely different, particularly in the current climate.

Note that "community" gets used by the current admin in the US pretty much the same way that "people's" gets used in places like the PRC or the CCCP (when it existed). LOL.

[Aramike]

They GOP voted against Tax cuts for small biz plain and simple. Spin all you want but that was the major effect.Umm, no, that was just the effect that you're focused on. The only one engaged in spin here is you.