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A new community manager has appeared on the SH5 ubisoft forums but unfortunately with no new news of patch 1.3
TDK1044
07-06-10, 11:32 AM
Hes been assigned to find out who stole the company's credibility. :)
You mean "new Silent Hunter 5 Community Developer", here (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/1851004178).
Just another dude who knows nothing about his company nor SH5:
- Ubisoft has not officially dropped support for Silent Hunter 5
- No future patch has been announced yet.
/lame
krashkart
07-06-10, 01:17 PM
Well that was a fun thread to read. I would not want to be in sorlim's shoes right now. :har:
Iron Budokan
07-06-10, 01:45 PM
Haha, yeah, he's not getting much love over there. :O:
Frumpkis
07-06-10, 01:56 PM
Wow, whose bright idea was it, to bring this person in with no new information for the community? Did someone lose a bet and had to jump into the Piranha pool? It only took 20 posts for the new "Community Developer" to start losing it, and get confrontational: "I am not Superman.
And who said I wasn't taking this whole matter seriously? You're the one saying it is a joke."
Bring out the popcorn, the party has started...
:woot:
FIREWALL
07-06-10, 01:56 PM
I read one thing most posters said in common. "Ubisoft not communicating with Paying customers."
How hard is it to say a patch is forthcoming, but no definate release date.
But it is going to happen.
That alone could ease some tension.
Poor guy! I hope he has the skin of an elephant. :-?
http://img.over-blog.com/630x470-000000/0/00/35/40//shadoks/shadok02.jpg
To have the least possible malcontents should always enter (knock) the same
How hard is it to say a patch is forthcoming, but no definate release date.
Yeah!
Why is it so hard to answer this:
Yes, Silent Hunter 5 is still being supported by Ubisoft Romania and there will be at the very least a "final patch" for the game, details of which will be coming within 1 month. Thanks for your patience.
Or
No, Silent Hunter 5 is no longer being supported by Ubisoft Romania and there will not be another patch for the game nor any possible add-on in the future. Thanks for your past support.
----
Or perhaps they don't have any plan at all. :hmmm:
mookiemookie
07-06-10, 02:23 PM
Poor guy. They threw him into a rabid dog pound while wearing milk bone underwear.
robbo180265
07-06-10, 02:25 PM
What is the point of a new forum manager who also knows nothing?
Oh wait - they probably get another 4 weeks of fobbing us off with someone new !
AVGWarhawk
07-06-10, 02:40 PM
UBI is supporting SH5...the DRM is functioning on the UBI server. Looks like support to me. :up: So yes, UBI is infact supporting SH5 if you look at it this way.
Seriously, much to quiet. I do not see a patch coming. But that is just me I guess.
aergistal
07-06-10, 03:20 PM
At least there is something new happening. I wonder if they got the email I sent them trough their HR address some time ago. I attached the link to that thread with the yes or no question along with a funny image edit. I like to think they did forward it to management afterall :haha: yes, dreaming...
Takeda Shingen
07-06-10, 03:44 PM
Yes, there is finally some movement on the SH5 front, but it is too early to get excited. More to the immediate point, I have empathy for sorlim. The fallout from SH5 made for a bumpy few months here on SubSim, and a rough time to be in the moderator chair. At least there were several of us working together and we had Neal, who is just a first-rate site owner and administrator. Still, we were only third parties; sorlim will have to actually defend the product, something that we never had to do, as he is the face of the company on that forum. Moreover, he will have to go it alone; not an enviable position by any account. The guy needs a team.
AVGWarhawk
07-06-10, 03:45 PM
I read through the thread over at UBI. I see smoke and mirrors....
Seeadler
07-06-10, 03:54 PM
How hard is it to say a patch is forthcoming, but no definate release date.
If they say so, Ubisoft would have been under pressure to develop a new patch, but with complete silence, they must not even think about a new patch.:D
Yesterday the German news magazine "Der Spiegel" did an interview (http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/games/0,1518,704139,00.html) with Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot. Guillemot makes it again quite clear, the new Ubisoft marketing strategy will be the Ubisoft-Launcher, massive multiplayer online games and new game concepts for the new motion sensors.
I'll get back with you on that.
I'll get back with you on that.
I'll get back with you on that.
I'll get back with you on that.
I'll get back with you on that.
:yawn:
Nisgeis
07-06-10, 04:37 PM
The guy needs a team.
The guy needs the 'A' Team.
SteelViking
07-06-10, 05:13 PM
I feel bad for this poor guy. He is going to be taking the heat for decisions made WAY above his head. I don't even think the A team could help this guy out. However, James Bond may be able to help him get some real information from Ubi.
Frumpkis
07-06-10, 05:16 PM
I read through the thread over at UBI. I see smoke and mirrors....
I think this great Charles Durning song and dance clip sums up the situation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCDoBvG1HoI&feature=related
"Was that a yes or a no?" "It's a possible maybe..."
FIREWALL
07-06-10, 05:22 PM
Is Guillemot the same guy that owns Thrustmaster ?
edit: Yep :yep: Guillemot Group has their fingers in alot of pies.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-55348902.html
and this: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-53999841.html
sorlim..... "community developer" ...... Hello, captains! .... ¿?
WTF!!! :nope:
STOP UBI of making fool of us. ENOUGH!
What kind of joke is this? It´s incredible! Where is the final point to this tragedy?
It´s like you have been robbed and days passed, the thief calls you by phone making fool of you and asking how do you feel... :o
If Ubi mistreat customers(people who pay them) like that... I can´t imagine how their workers(people who charge them) are being treated... Well, I can and Human Rights Defenders would have something to say I guess.
so poor sorlim! He is nobody and is going to do nothing. "It" is the same useless moderator with other name I think. Sure! Cosmic pure void he is, nothing more.
Who cares he/she/it is talking about.
I hope one day in the future... a group of crazy,dreamer guys that love subsims(maybe old SH gamers) try to make a new sim, maybe only for fun at first...
Who Knows.
My money and me are waiting. :zzz:
The guy needs the 'A' Team.
Igree!! :rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:
JScones
07-07-10, 03:08 AM
Well, the only new thing he's posted is that he wants a hot secretary. Certainly nothing new about the game.
He starts off well enough: "I will answer as many questions as I can in this thread" but very quickly sinks: "I'd love to have a definitive answer to your question but I simply do not at this moment", "Unfortunately, I am not bearer of good news. Actually, I'm not the bearer of any news right now!" and "A decision has not been made until now IF a patch will be release OR IF no future patch will come".
Seems like nothing more than what Kleeneasy and Shades have been sprouting for months.
elanaiba
07-07-10, 03:23 AM
Well, the good thing is ... he's there. It's not by accident.
Of course he doesn't have any news right now. Part of his job I guess is to work so that in the future there is news ;)
JScones
07-07-10, 03:27 AM
How convenient Dan - when Ubisoft run out of ideas for saying nothing, they bring in a new guy and hide behind the excuse that he's new, so doesn't know anything, thus why he doesn't have any answers. That buys them extra time to say nothing, or hire a hot secretary.
Great ploy. :yeah:
elanaiba
07-07-10, 03:32 AM
Of course you can look into everything I say and turn it around to suit an attack, and maybe "we" deserve it.
But it's not my ploy, and its not how I work. In truth I don't think its anyone's ploy, the guy is saying as much as he can in a politically correct form.
My estimate is that you won't get any information from him for a time, but he will get a lot of information from the forums, while also trying to do the 2nd thing he is paid for - crowd control. Kind of hard to do that at this point and in the current situation, as many of you have correctly remarked.
robbo180265
07-07-10, 03:38 AM
In all fairness Dan - the crowd control wouldn't be needed had UBI been honest and up-front from the start.
The months of silence has created a fairly angry mob...
JScones
07-07-10, 03:38 AM
I didn't say it was your ploy; not sure why you got so defensive there. ;)
Ubisoft, on the other hand...
elanaiba
07-07-10, 03:47 AM
In all fairness Dan - the crowd control wouldn't be needed had UBI been honest and up-front from the start.
The months of silence has created a fairly angry mob...
Yes, I agree, as I was saying above.
aergistal
07-07-10, 03:47 AM
What we needed was an official statement on the future of the game. What we got is a stand-up comedian. And a bad one at it.
I would have loved to come to you on the first day with excellent news. And get all the women, have all the firstborns named after me, be treated like a God...geez...
robbo180265
07-07-10, 03:51 AM
What we needed was an official statement on the future of the game. What we got is a stand-up comedian. And a bad one at it.
geez...
In fairness I think he's trying to "lighten up" the forum and given time it may work (providing we hear more than "I don't know - I'll get back to you")
Nisgeis
07-07-10, 03:52 AM
I thought everyone had left the Ubi forums and the flow of posts had slowed to a trickle? Or is that just the SH4 crowd?
robbo180265
07-07-10, 03:56 AM
I thought everyone had left the Ubi forums and the flow of posts had slowed to a trickle? Or is that just the SH4 crowd?
I still bump this post
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=1121062387&m=6351005768&r=6301025768#6301025768
In the faint hope of a reply - 4 weeks of being fobbed off by forum managers and counting
THE_MASK
07-07-10, 03:58 AM
It would be good to get just one more tincey wincey patch , even if its just for what TheDarkWraith needs for his AI mod + sub nets and mines .
IYesterday the German news magazine "Der Spiegel" did an interview (http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/games/0,1518,704139,00.html) with Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot. Guillemot makes it again quite clear, the new Ubisoft marketing strategy will be the Ubisoft-Launcher, massive multiplayer online games and new game concepts for the new motion sensors.
Thanks for the link! That sounds like Ubisoft is really heading away from PC platform games, at least the single player ones. I don't think there is much to expect from them in the future anymore, but maybe they will sell the Silent Hunter label to one of the smaller developers that already focuses on highly detailed realistic simulations and strategy games. There's quite a few of those successful studios right now. (The market can't possible be that small? What is the definition of "small" or "niche" for people that claim simulations and strategy to be a niche? Anything that doesn't sell 1M units on the release date is niche? -- Just some spontaneous thoughts. There is nothing you can't do if you change definitions....)
EDIT: As a side note, in the interview YG says himself that they were disappointed that their OSP-DRM didn't work well in the beginning and it lead to
the server outages. Nice, so much about DDOS attacks.
Of course you can look into everything I say and turn it around to suit an attack, and maybe "we" deserve it.
But it's not my ploy, and its not how I work. In truth I don't think its anyone's ploy, the guy is saying as much as he can in a politically correct form.
My estimate is that you won't get any information from him for a time, but he will get a lot of information from the forums, while also trying to do the 2nd thing he is paid for - crowd control. Kind of hard to do that at this point and in the current situation, as many of you have correctly remarked.
Well, I already wondered why Ubi would pay someone for providing waiting and asking customers with new information regarding the products. But you answered yourself: "crowd control"
Can you imagine that that job sounds a bit, say weired? Manipulative? For a German, that kind of job description has an odd feeling to it. Especially if you do not like to be controlled by anyone or anything. I guess Americans would also have a major problem with that thought. +
What true purpose does Ubi want to solve with "crowd control"? Has Ubi (and other publishers) realized that information about their products, bad and good, spreads nowadays much faster on the internet than it did 15 years ago with the printed PC magazines? Particularly the bad? Well, then I would say there is no need for a crowd control to subdue negative tensions, because the ranting negatives will be filtered out by the masses anyway (people are not stupid, and will find their way to the truth). And there is no need for a crowd control to generate positive emotions about a product -- if it is truly good, people will quickly now and publishers will have their loyal customers (as it was always in the past).
What needs to be learned is that if something ain't good, novel, interesting, that publishers need to invest more in better dev teams, and get better products out. I am a bit worried that big publishers like Ubi, after having targeted piracy extensively without a breakthru (as the "guess-timated" effect of piracy was based on false assumptions, and now despite piracy on the decline no significant increase in sales occurred), will target online communities next to control the opinions voiced there... It just has become to crucial in this market. And along the lines of fighting low sales instead with better quality and customer service with DRM, I assume they could next try to control media better. Hopefully hat will work less on the internet as it works with the printed magazines, that often enough today admit that only get test copies if certain "ratings" can be assured. Hmmh, I am worried a bit.
Yosarian
07-07-10, 06:56 AM
I'm done with Ubisoft, no matter which person they present now, I'll basically do not buy Ubisoft games from now and I play many different game genres not only subsims.
Ubisoft and all there employed had their chance, I do not need them but they need customers for their products... I am no longer one of those.
Moeceefus
07-07-10, 07:25 AM
I love this quote from Sorlim
"Making a decision to not make a decision would still involve a decision-making process and such a thing has not happened.
The "until now" part means a clear decision should come."
:har:
Jimbuna
07-07-10, 07:59 AM
Yes, there is finally some movement on the SH5 front, but it is too early to get excited. More to the immediate point, I have empathy for sorlim. The fallout from SH5 made for a bumpy few months here on SubSim, and a rough time to be in the moderator chair. At least there were several of us working together and we had Neal, who is just a first-rate site owner and administrator. Still, we were only third parties; sorlim will have to actually defend the product, something that we never had to do, as he is the face of the company on that forum. Moreover, he will have to go it alone; not an enviable position by any account. The guy needs a team.
I agree....he could do with some help and support.
Sailor Steve
07-07-10, 08:21 AM
Yes, I agree, as I was saying above.
Hey Dan! It's good to hear from you again. I hope things are going well for you on the home front. :sunny:
TDK1044
07-07-10, 08:36 AM
That poor Community Manager over there is getting the same treatment that Congress gave the BP CEO. :)
AVGWarhawk
07-07-10, 11:15 AM
That poor Community Manager over there is getting the same treatment that Congress gave the BP CEO. :)
The only difference is that Congress was in the driver seat and commanded answers to their questions. Community members are only riding the bus. The questions go left unanswered or glossed over. However, he is a Community Manager not a reporter on what if anything is going on with patches. So what is he really there for? Manage/moderate the community or be the go between for any patch information? Both? I think he is just there to manage and should not have his feet held to fire for patch information.
Faamecanic
07-07-10, 11:27 AM
I LMAO at Privateer's response in that thread
"
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/ver1.3.6.9735/platform_images/blank.gif (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/1851004178?r=8191025178#8191025178)Posted Tue July 06 2010 17:37 Hide Post (javascript:void(0);)"A decision has not been made until now IF a patch will be release OR IF no future patch will come."
Now that's pretty clear to me.
The 'until now' says it all!
The decision was just made to make no decision!
Duhhh!"
Jimbuna
07-07-10, 01:12 PM
He is now suitablt attired and help is on its way :DL
http://students.ou.edu/E/Ryan.C.Emrick-1/knight.jpg http://www.mediainfluencer.net/mirror/photos/uncategorized/knights_armour.jpg
AVGWarhawk
07-07-10, 02:12 PM
I truly do not understand what the community manager is attempting to do. Of what use is this posting and telling the community he does not know a thing? :doh:
krashkart
07-07-10, 02:16 PM
He is now suitablt attired and help is on its way :DL
http://students.ou.edu/E/Ryan.C.Emrick-1/knight.jpg
You have a most superlative taste in armors, my friend. :up:
Edit - Might I also recommend a mix of Swiss pikemen and Landsknecht to accompany your cavalry? :D
Jimbuna
07-07-10, 02:22 PM
You have a most superlative taste in armors, my friend. :up:
I'd need it if I was the Community Manager over on the Ubi forums I reckon :DL
krashkart
07-07-10, 02:25 PM
I'd need it if I was the Community Manager over on the Ubi forums I reckon :DL
Indeed. A lot of pent-up frustration to be let out and he's the only one there with ears (erm, eyes anyway). :haha:
mookiemookie
07-07-10, 02:37 PM
It had to be expected. Why would Ubi throw this poor guy to the lions when he obviously had no news to report to the teeming masses? What point and purpose does he serve? More botched marketing on the part of Ubisoft...
Simply because those fat dudes from ceo have no clue about wtf is going on with their products. They think that everybody is happy same as the AC2 crowd, so they thrown a clown for entertainment. I feel really sorry for that guy, he just try to do a job for what it gets payed. He really have no clue about how badly damaged SH5 is and why this community so angry and pissed off.
Wish that 1 day a dev or a faty from ceo will show up there trying to be a funny guy.. that would be a real massacre :dead:
Takeda Shingen
07-07-10, 03:11 PM
Watch it. Some of us have friends on the Dev Team. Thanks.
SteelViking
07-07-10, 03:56 PM
Simply because those fat dudes from ceo have no clue about wtf is going on with their products. They think that everybody is happy same as the AC2 crowd, so they thrown a clown for entertainment. I feel really sorry for that guy, he just try to do a job for what it gets payed. He really have no clue about how badly damaged SH5 is and why this community so angry and pissed off.
Wish that 1 day a dev or a faty from ceo will show up there trying to be a funny guy.. that would be a real massacre :dead:
Yeah, I can see blaming things on the CEO and maybe even bad mouthing them(heck I do that often enough) but none of this is actually the devs fault. We are lucky the devs were able to do as well as they did on this game with the way Ubi's upper management has been acting. It is the CEOs/upper management that makes all the product decisions such as release date, whether a patch will be made, etc. In fact, I have gotten some help from a few devs doing mod work, so if anything, we should still be thanking the devs.:yep:
krashkart
07-07-10, 04:04 PM
@Magnum - some of the devs do lurk here from time to time. I don't know any of them personally but I have communicated briefly with one of them. They are human, too, and deserve an equal amount of respect from us as we would show for each other and ourselves. ;)
Jimbuna
07-07-10, 04:08 PM
Watch it. Some of us have friends on the Dev Team. Thanks.
DITTO http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif
Frumpkis
07-07-10, 04:13 PM
Thanks for the link! That sounds like Ubisoft is really heading away from PC platform games, at least the single player ones. I don't think there is much to expect from them in the future anymore, but maybe they will sell the Silent Hunter label to one of the smaller developers that already focuses on highly detailed realistic simulations and strategy games.
I think that might be the worst of all possible outcomes, for several reasons:
The code base is buggy -- it still has problems that were never fixed in SH4 and were patched up with chewing gum and duct tape by modders. An independent dev starting from scratch would have a better chance of giving the subsim community what we're looking for. Maybe even a cross-platform sim that would work on Windows/Mac/Linyx? That's how X-Plane works. They even have a stripped-down app for iPhones, which seems silly, but it brings in lots of cash to fund development of the PC sim versions.
Also, any money paid for a license from Ubi would be money that can't go to more art development and programmer man-hours. That's one reason why Bioware bailed out of the D&D franchise and created their own IP for Dragon Age.
Finally, for better or worse, the "Silent Hunter" name has a big footprint in the market. It needs to go away, to leave room for new projects that can develop their own franchise in this area... the way the LockOn air combat crew did after Microprose and the "Jane's" series disappeared. Actually there is a new "Jane's" game coming out, but it looks like a console-type action shooter, nothing like the original combat flight sims. That's the kind of thing that can happen when franchise names are sold, unfortunately.
Anyway, I'm ready for a completely fresh look at this type of sim, from a developer whose heart is 100% into it, and backed by a financial side of the company that won't pull the plug, before the game is actually ready for release.
Well, the good thing is ... he's there. It's not by accident.
Of course he doesn't have any news right now. Part of his job I guess is to work so that in the future there is news ;)
Well Dan, if anyone would have news it would be you, wouldn't it?
So how about it... what news on patch 3? Is it in work? Is it planned? Has it been talked about at all? If so, what is the current consensus?
And you're right... we are owed. An honest answer to a direct question, if nothing else. We've had enough corporate speak and the "gee guys, I can't talk about it" crap, don't you think?
JD
Madox58
07-07-10, 04:50 PM
I LMAO at Privateer's response in that thread
"
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/ver1.3.6.9735/platform_images/blank.gif (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/1851004178?r=8191025178#8191025178)Posted Tue July 06 2010 17:37 Hide Post (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)"A decision has not been made until now IF a patch will be release OR IF no future patch will come."
Now that's pretty clear to me.
The 'until now' says it all!
The decision was just made to make no decision!
Duhhh!"
Then you should love the further posts.
==============================
Him:
"A decision has not been made until now IF a patch will be release OR IF no future patch will come."
Me:
Now that's pretty clear to me.
The 'until now' says it all!
The decision was just made to make no decision!
Duhhh!
Him:
Making a decision to not make a decision would still involve a decision-making process and such a thing has not happened.
The "until now" part means a clear decision should come.
Me:
So what your saying is:
No decision has been made yet on a decision weather a decision to make a decision
about decideing to, or decideing not to patch again is decided.
Now my head hurts.
========================
:har:
SteelViking
07-07-10, 04:54 PM
@privateer,
That is classic:har:
krashkart
07-07-10, 05:13 PM
Then you should love the further posts.
==============================
Him:
"A decision has not been made until now IF a patch will be release OR IF no future patch will come."
Me:
Now that's pretty clear to me.
The 'until now' says it all!
The decision was just made to make no decision!
Duhhh!
Him:
Making a decision to not make a decision would still involve a decision-making process and such a thing has not happened.
The "until now" part means a clear decision should come.
Me:
So what your saying is:
No decision has been made yet on a decision weather a decision to make a decision
about decideing to, or decideing not to patch again is decided.
Now my head hurts.
========================
:har:
Tis almost of Vogon bureaucracy... :hmmm: :DL
karamazovnew
07-07-10, 05:52 PM
Oh come'on, no need to break the poor guy's balls. The last thing we want and need is to piss him off. Unlike the previous guy, at least Sorlim takes the time to reply. No decision has been made to release another patch because the devs apparently don't know or don't care anymore about serious bugs. We'd better push forward the heavy guns like TDW, Reaper7, Sober and all the modders which have worked on SH5 and know more than the rest of us about what should be fixed by the devs, either as playable fixes or modder resources.
I'll start with the first things on my mind:
1. no sound effects class components for the hydrophone. Not even that silly volume knob on the hydro. Is it that hard to add a VU meter above the station and a moddable equalizer?!
2. fix the silly horizon bug.
3. export more of the stadimeter into a moddable class. I'd like to see it move horizontally too.
Actually, I'd better start posting on the UBI forums too :D
badaboom
07-07-10, 06:26 PM
What happened to the old Co.Manager? Mrs.Kleaneasy or whatever her name was,why the change now?
Navarre
07-07-10, 06:34 PM
What happened to the old Co.Manager? Mrs.Kleaneasy or whatever her name was,why the change now?
The question must be what happened to the former Community-Developer "GKane"?
He went silence and left the community right after the release of SH5! :hmmm:
Mrs.Kleaneasy, she is only a UK Forum-Manager not a Community-Developer and still present on the forums.
badaboom
07-07-10, 07:18 PM
I see,Thank You.
I'm ready for a completely fresh look at this type of sim, from a developer whose heart is 100% into it
Now that would be really cool. :cool:
and backed by a financial side of the company
But here is the problem. :-?
tonschk
07-07-10, 09:29 PM
, so if anything, we should still be thanking the devs.:yep:
:up:
.
makman94
07-07-10, 09:34 PM
.....
My estimate is that you won't get any information from him for a time.....
hello Dan,
so, why you don't give us this information Dan ? or you don't even ....know ?
and ,at last, why is this mystic shadow on this simple question Dan ? really....even NASA's secrets are not so well protected !:D
..... while also trying to do the 2nd thing he is paid for - crowd control.the best way to control the 'crowd' ('crowd'=sub simulator's fans ) is to give them a sub simulator.
let me tell you something Dan :
in my opinion , the problem is not ubisoft or the drm things ...etc but ONLY you (the dev team) and i am saying this becuase...
you are NOT developing a sub SIMULATOR game at all but you keep trying to sell it as a sub simulator
i can analyze it to you via pms if you want or you are understanding what i am saying?
no attack to you ,no hard feelings but it really get bored the whole thing....don't you think so?
no sound effects class components for the hydrophone. Not even that silly volume knob on the hydro. Is it that hard to add a VU meter above the station and a moddable equalizer?You're kidding, I didn't know that one!:cry: So if I went to the Hydrophone station, like in SH3 there is no sound, I couldn't search for distant signals, hear pings detonations etc?:o:doh:
FIREWALL
07-08-10, 12:25 AM
I may not have a clue when the next SH5 patch will come.
But I know where the Ubisoft coffee and donut buy got promoted to. :-?
aergistal
07-08-10, 01:18 AM
f so, what is the current consensus?
JD
Ubisoft: We are building a consensus, please try again later.
robbo180265
07-08-10, 01:48 AM
hello Dan,
so, why you don't give us this information Dan ? or you don't even ....know ?
and ,at last, why is this mystic shadow on this simple question Dan ? really....even NASA's secrets are not so well protected !:D
What makes you think Dan knows anymore than Sorlin?
I suspect the whole crew are being kept in the dark along with us customers...
JScones
07-08-10, 03:11 AM
Ubisoft Romania: where reputation no longer matters and piracy is easily justified. :yeah:
:rotfl2:
What makes you think Dan knows anymore than Sorlin?...
Simply because he is Dan Dimitrescu, lead designer of Silent Hunter 5.
I fail to understand why the heck they don't step up and get the hits instead of sending some clown who has no clue about SH anyway.
urfisch
07-08-10, 04:17 AM
the whole thing about this comdev is nothing else than fooling us, to feel, like we are heard.
:down:
Ubisoft: We are building a consensus, please try again later.
Very cute, but head-on. Guess Dan & co should return here in 4 weeks to see what the result is. Or return when they finally can give some positive (or definite negative) news. Any news is better than to be left alone treading water -- or eat soup, for that matter.
I still find it weird that companies exert crowd control. Makes me think that believe we are a flock of animals that need close supervision rather than being considered with respect as loyal or potential customers. Quite disheartening what opinions Ubisoft must meanwhile have of its customers.
aergistal
07-08-10, 04:52 AM
In an ideal world, the community manager should represent the customer, like an advocate. His major role would be mediating between the community and the company.
If they put up the effort to hire someone maybe there's some hope they'll listen. Otherwise it would have been cheaper to just publish some announcement on their site.
The question must be what happened to the former Community-Developer "GKane"?
He went silence and left the community right after the release of SH5! :hmmm:
He played the RC and saw it coming :DL
elanaiba
07-08-10, 05:49 AM
Simply because he is Dan Dimitrescu, lead designer of Silent Hunter 5.
I fail to understand why the heck they don't step up and get the hits instead of sending some clown who has no clue about SH anyway.
Well, I am here, and I seem to be taking lots of hits. Not enough hits for you?
I'm not trying to hide, but keep in mind that I'm (still) working in this company and I'm bound by my contract. In theory I'm not allowed to directly interact with the people, as there are people (PR, marketing, community managers) who are better trained to do this job - and who have more time for it. Division of responsibilities.
Again, theory...
My primary reason for being here is to help where I can. The 2nd, is ... I enjoy this community and have many friends.
Part of the help of course would be through direct communication on the future of the series, but that is expressly forbidden, and its easy to understand why if you think about it. Would I do it differently if I was my own master? Yes... I think so, but then I would have done many things about this game, differently.
Right now I'm helping another team finish a project, not related to Silent Hunter. Working full time on it, plus some extra time.
Will Silent Hunter have a future with Ubi? Its not up to me, really, but I can say that the ComDevs presence on the forums is genuine and on what he gathers depends much on the future of the series.
So I suggest you interact with him, give him your feedback. Of course I am here and I am not alone, but the more channels of communication send the information, the better. Plus, I am sometimes looked at as "the hardcore guy with the subsim tshirt" which puts a certain tone to my feedback.
However, what I suggest is, don't restrict your feedback to stuff like the detail functioning of the hydrophone or some very deep modding stuff. That is valuable, but we here the only ones that understand the importance of it. For the rest, it only rings like "damn hardcore guys they're never happy".
Focus on the big stuff, what do you think the problems are with SH5. What are game breaking bugs? What prevents it from being a good/acceptable/great/awesome/mediocre game, in your opinion. What do you think it needs? What would make you more happy with the game?
What would make you more happy with the game?
It definitely needs more black, pearl and Keira. :hmmm:
Arclight
07-08-10, 06:07 AM
And perhaps a peg-leg and a parrot. We already have eye-patches and a ghost crew. :hmmm:
(I kid, no offense ;))
karamazovnew
07-08-10, 06:56 AM
You're kidding, I didn't know that one!:cry: So if I went to the Hydrophone station, like in SH3 there is no sound, I couldn't search for distant signals, hear pings detonations etc?:o:doh:
Come on... of course there is sound. But apart from just listening there's no tool to help you. What I meant by sound effects were simple sound tools that you can find in any free sound editor which we could then attach to different knobs and 3d dials :D
However, what I suggest is, don't restrict your feedback to stuff like the detail functioning of the hydrophone or some very deep modding stuff. That is valuable, but we here the only ones that understand the importance of it. For the rest, it only rings like "damn hardcore guys they're never happy".
Dan, first of all nice to see you here again. Really now, the current heavy bugs are well known. Since SH has reached the modding stage, why not try to milk anything that we can from a further patch? Plus, I'm just one guy, surely there'll be lots of important issues put on the table by other members. Although you've got to admit it: you wished you thought of the VU meter stuff :haha:
And I see no reason Silent Hunter shouldn't or couldn't be a hardcore sim to please any naval buff out there and even make them cringe at all the math details. You can make a game as hard and realistic as you want, if you provide enough tools for newbies. And unlike in hardcore flight sims, in any ship you have a professional crew. And what better help can you get than from your own crew? You can have automatic firing by simply asking the first officer to calculate everything, leave all navigation duties to the nav officer, never sit at the hydro or radar station and so on and so forth even while playing at 100% difficulty. The level of involvement would be dictated only by the interest and experience of the player, while difficulty levels would just be there to put more randomness into the equations to make your decisions and level of involvement matter more. First give us a magnetic compass affected by deviation and declination, give us wind and currents, give us ballast control and only then you could talk about "hardcore" players. As it stands now, SH5 doesn't even have a working stadimeter (without mods). So... yeah...
Well, I am here, and I seem to be taking lots of hits. Not enough hits for you?
...
In theory I'm not allowed to directly interact with the people, as there are people (PR, marketing, community managers) who are better trained to do this job - and who have more time for it. Division of responsibilities.
Again, theory...
My primary reason for being here is to help where I can. The 2nd, is ... I enjoy this community and have many friends.
...
I know Dan, that's the reason why you don't get any punch here (at least not from me). We are here in "vacation" not on official business trip. That's why I would like that one high ranking dude from Ubi management put up the business suit and come over the official forum to answer the angry community. This Ubi company is such a weird company.. they are like the politicians, when the sh1t flows they take off.
Wish we could have here a Ghostcrawler type of dude, Blizzard's WoW lead designer, who constantly is in touch with the community and answer their question in every channel available. And thats a huge community. No wonder Blizzard is the leader on the market, they always put high priority on quality and communication with their customers. This is how a successful product and business is made.
LE &PS: btw.. I'm waiting for ur first mods :P
Well, I am here, and I seem to be taking lots of hits. Not enough hits for you?
I'm not trying to hide, but keep in mind that I'm (still) working in this company and I'm bound by my contract. In theory I'm not allowed to directly interact with the people, as there are people (PR, marketing, community managers) who are better trained to do this job - and who have more time for it. Division of responsibilities.
Again, theory...
My primary reason for being here is to help where I can. The 2nd, is ... I enjoy this community and have many friends.
Part of the help of course would be through direct communication on the future of the series, but that is expressly forbidden, and its easy to understand why if you think about it. Would I do it differently if I was my own master? Yes... I think so, but then I would have done many things about this game, differently.
Right now I'm helping another team finish a project, not related to Silent Hunter. Working full time on it, plus some extra time.
Will Silent Hunter have a future with Ubi? Its not up to me, really, but I can say that the ComDevs presence on the forums is genuine and on what he gathers depends much on the future of the series.
So I suggest you interact with him, give him your feedback. Of course I am here and I am not alone, but the more channels of communication send the information, the better. Plus, I am sometimes looked at as "the hardcore guy with the subsim tshirt" which puts a certain tone to my feedback.
However, what I suggest is, don't restrict your feedback to stuff like the detail functioning of the hydrophone or some very deep modding stuff. That is valuable, but we here the only ones that understand the importance of it. For the rest, it only rings like "damn hardcore guys they're never happy".
Focus on the big stuff, what do you think the problems are with SH5. What are game breaking bugs? What prevents it from being a good/acceptable/great/awesome/mediocre game, in your opinion. What do you think it needs? What would make you more happy with the game?
I think this guy is the only person who can pull this cart out of the mud. He seems to have a dedication to SHV, which I cannot say from the big picture that Ubisoft as a company presents. I can only suggest that he could bring up the topic of "communication" in all seriousness with his superiors at Ubi, and ask them to change their "shut mouths" policy. I think at least "lead developers" or senior staff member ought to be capable and allowed to communicate with their fans and customers. Anything else seems to be entirely detrimental. To me it seems Ubisoft itself doesn't really care much about customers.
My impression of what needs to be done to turn SHV a pearl:
- tune campaign to more realistic goals, and reduce what is achievable in game by enhancing AI to be more competitive. If there are "mission" that require attack of naval ships, or specific tankers etc., then make the mission briefings more vague and the goals more dynamic (i.e. less number of warships destroyed to achieve "a mediocre/standard" victory). Say for example "perform patrol in grid.... Pay particular attention to enemy tankers that are known to use the route since..." Or "Your objective on the next patrol will be to disrupt british naval superiority in the med.. Focus your efforts on attacking any warships, particularly capital ships. ". Don't give numbers ("sink 3 BB, 3CV and 5CL").
- How about wolfpacks? AI? do they follow contact reports, gather in front of a convoy, take up pursuit? That would have been the one and only feature that I really was missing in SHIII.
- add 1943-1945 and at least the Type II and IX boats, or at least come up with a plan for an addon. Even a generic interior will do. It is just an entirely different experience and adds to the long-term playability if you have small goals such as to survive long enough for get promoted for a typed VII; or get a type IX before the US Eastcoast actions starts etc.
Nisgeis
07-08-10, 09:31 AM
My impression of what needs to be done to turn SHV a pearl:
Did you post that on the Ubi Forum as well?
It seems the ComDev got his reply from the source.
His Post.
Right now, Silent Hunter 5 does not have and cannot get a development team. The people that have worked on the game have been assigned to different other projects for the time being. This does not mean that SH5 has been abandoned and the situation might change in the following months. I have no time frame for a possible improvement nor can I estimate the chances of it happening.
So, for now, we must rely on the modders to improve the game. I'm asking for your help in putting together a basic list of must-have mods.
Iron Budokan
07-08-10, 10:29 AM
Focus on the big stuff, what do you think the problems are with SH5. What are game breaking bugs? What prevents it from being a good/acceptable/great/awesome/mediocre game, in your opinion. What do you think it needs? What would make you more happy with the game?
LOL, you mean you don't know by now....?
Wow. Just, wow.
Did you post that on the Ubi Forum as well?
Nope, but anyone is free to copy and paste the things I brought up. I guess most people think along the same lines anyway.
Buddahaid
07-08-10, 11:20 AM
I read through the thread over at UBI. I see smoke and mirrors....
I think he is the official face on the dartboard. And, I find it hard to believe the "list of game breakers" cannot get compiled from the months of postings here and at the Ubi forum. That would mean no one there has really paid any attention to the threads so far and made their own shopping list. They want us to filter it down to manageable size, box it, and put a bow on top. Better yet, do all the development as well and hand them patch 1.3 to claim credit for.
The series is all but buried. Only the zombies are left!
Nisgeis
07-08-10, 11:51 AM
Nope, but anyone is free to copy and paste the things I brought up. I guess most people think along the same lines anyway.
I think that's what Dan was asking for, as that guy isn't going to come here to read them.
AVGWarhawk
07-08-10, 12:20 PM
I think he is the official face on the dartboard. And, I find it hard to believe the "list of game breakers" cannot get compiled from the months of postings here and at the Ubi forum. That would mean no one there has really paid any attention to the threads so far and made their own shopping list. They want us to filter it down to manageable size, box it, and put a bow on top. Better yet, do all the development as well and hand them patch 1.3 to claim credit for.
The series is all but buried. Only the zombies are left!
Personally I see creating yet another list of fixes and wants is useless. I see smoke and mirror in that thread. The only concrete information we received entail an exchange with Privateer. UBI has not made a decision on making a decision concerning a patch. So lets dissect this. No one in the UBI organization has decided if a boardroom meeting should be held concerning making a decision on creating another patch to repair the game. Welcome to double talk with added smoke and mirrors for effect. In short and as stated by the Community Manager, the parts of the development team that made up the whole are now assigned to some other project. I believe we have seen the end of the line for SH5 and anything concerning a patch. :dead:
kylania
07-08-10, 12:25 PM
They aren't asking for bugs or fixes. They've given up. No one is working on fixes, no one will be working on fixes. It's a black hole.
They have officially stated that it's up to modders to improve the game and the only feedback they are looking for now is an up-to-date list of mods to keep the ComDev busy. Silent Hunter is dead.
AVGWarhawk
07-08-10, 12:30 PM
They aren't asking for bugs or fixes. They've given up. No one is working on fixes, no one will be working on fixes. It's a black hole.
They have officially stated that it's up to modders to improve the game and the only feedback they are looking for now is an up-to-date list of mods to keep the ComDev busy. Silent Hunter is dead.
:yep: Correct. It was written in that thread that modders should do it. Have a nice day and thanks for your hard earned $$$$ on this game. Sweet UBI...just sweet.....:down:
AVGWarhawk
07-08-10, 12:37 PM
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So, for now, we must rely on the modders
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John Channing
07-08-10, 12:40 PM
So to summarize...
The only person that may actually have a clue about what is going on states that the appointment of a new community manager is not a random occurance but rather of some significance, and then proceeds to give people clear direction on how to possibly take advantage of this and the result is a mixture of cynicism, derision and "I already did that... it's too much trouble to do it again... Let someone else do it" ?
Some people around here should stop looking down their noses at the Ubisoft forums. From where I sit, right now there ain't a lot of difference.
Sadly, that wasn't always the case.
JCC
AVGWarhawk
07-08-10, 12:46 PM
John,
SH5 does not have and can not have a development team. Noted above... With exception of DRM SH5 is apparently not supported by other entites within the UBI organization. I read nothing more into that thread than modders fix it and there is no team making a patch. Does it really pain UBI to just say a patch is coming? If so why? Because there is no support right now and may never be? That is my guess. Really, just say yes to a patch and keep the release date to whenever ready. Not to difficult.
elanaiba
07-08-10, 01:19 PM
In the life of a studio it happens many times that a team gets reassigned to help a project in need. There's nothing spectacular about it.
Indeed right now there's no team working on SH5. It doesn't matter, tomorrow it could start again - if the decision makers say so.
All we can do is influence the decision makers. Although I must admit I'm no longer the energetic person I was post SH3/4 - had one hell of a last year to be honest - its about the same situation.
Don't we all remember how hard it was to get the last patches for the previous games?
And guys...Iron Budokan ... I knew much of the bad stuff before it hit the market. But I'm just a voice. I'm not asking you to tell me. The ComDev is there to listen but he is of course new and doesn't know much. Through him, you can have more than one voice around here.
John Channing
07-08-10, 01:24 PM
John,
SH5 does not have and can not have a development team. Noted above... With exception of DRM SH5 is apparently not supported by other entites within the UBI organization. I read nothing more into that thread than modders fix it and there is no team making a patch. Does it really pain UBI to just say a patch is coming? If so why? Because there is no support right now and may never be? That is my guess. Really, just say yes to a patch and keep the release date to whenever ready. Not to difficult.
I see where SH5 does not have a development team. I don't see where it says it can't have a development team.
As far as what is or is not in the thread goes everything stated there (and here) is uninformed speculation... nothing more. The only fact we have is that Ubisoft has seen fit to have a "Community Manager" present in the forums.
My point was that the only person who actually knows what he is taking about provided some (I thought) pretty good suggestions and most of the the responses here were, shall we say, less than generous. I actually thought that, for the sake of enlightened self-interest if nothing else, people would have taken advantage of this opportunity. Clearly I was wrong.
I get that it is much more fun to bitch and moan and pound out snide remarks, but with the same number of keystrokes, they may have been able to accomplish something positive.
Oh well...
JCC
TDK1044
07-08-10, 01:33 PM
In the life of a studio it happens many times that a team gets reassigned to help a project in need. There's nothing spectacular about it.
Indeed right now there's no team working on SH5. It doesn't matter, tomorrow it could start again - if the decision makers say so.
All we can do is influence the decision makers. Although I must admit I'm no longer the energetic person I was post SH3/4 - had one hell of a last year to be honest - its about the same situation.
Don't we all remember how hard it was to get the last patches for the previous games?
And guys...Iron Budokan ... I knew much of the bad stuff before it hit the market. But I'm just a voice. I'm not asking you to tell me. The ComDev is there to listen but he is of course new and doesn't know much. Through him, you can have more than one voice around here.
And none of this is worth compromising your health over, Dan. We only need to look at Dave (LEO VAMPIRE) to realize how short life can be. My last communication with him was asking him to stop working to improve his wonderful mod, to put his Laptop down and rest after his recent trip to the hospital. Within a few days of that e-mail he was no longer with us.
Your commitment to the Silent Hunter franchise and this Forum is a matter of record. Stay healthy and happy. :yep:
Silent Hunter is dead.
I have to agree. The fact that the team is off working on other stuff obviously means they're not working on another SH5 patch. The implications of that are equally obvious.
Striking while the iron is hot (ie, investing in a product only when there is a reasonable chance of a return on investment) is a pretty straight forward business concept. Unfortunately, this iron has gone stone cold.
It seems SH5 is finished as far as UBI is concerned.
IMO, the thing to do then would be to just forget about getting any more help from UBI and either move on (or back) to other games... or jump into the mod action. The question I have is, can all that's seriously wrong with this game be fixed with mods? If too many (and one may be too many) of the really significant short comings are not accessible to modders, then it may not be worth the effort.
I'd really like to know the answer to that one.
JD
AVGWarhawk
07-08-10, 01:50 PM
In the life of a studio it happens many times that a team gets reassigned to help a project in need. There's nothing spectacular about it.
Indeed right now there's no team working on SH5. It doesn't matter, tomorrow it could start again - if the decision makers say so.
All we can do is influence the decision makers. Although I must admit I'm no longer the energetic person I was post SH3/4 - had one hell of a last year to be honest - its about the same situation.
Don't we all remember how hard it was to get the last patches for the previous games?
And guys...Iron Budokan ... I knew much of the bad stuff before it hit the market. But I'm just a voice. I'm not asking you to tell me. The ComDev is there to listen but he is of course new and doesn't know much. Through him, you can have more than one voice around here.
And this is all we need to hear. What makes me sad is the fact we have to fight to correct a game. So specifically, what do you recommend in getting our voice heard?
Yup, for now its game over - mods or nothing.
Really this offcial answer is like no answer at all, as not a 'yes' or a 'no' but a 'maybe'.
So we are not much better off.
IMHO The only SH5 patch we will likley see is a no-DRM patch at some point when sales dry up and they wish to re-allocate their server resources to newer products.
Probably won't happen this year though.
I guess a paid expansion is not an impossibility but that depends on SH5's sales.
@ AVG: As to gettting our voices heard, Im not sure there is much point, our voices are really too small for them to really care that much.
Were talking about Silent Hunter, not Assasins Creed, Far Cry or A 'Tom Clancy's - insert title'.
AVGWarhawk
07-08-10, 02:02 PM
I see where SH5 does not have a development team. I don't see where it says it can't have a development team.
As far as what is or is not in the thread goes everything stated there (and here) is uninformed speculation... nothing more. The only fact we have is that Ubisoft has seen fit to have a "Community Manager" present in the forums.
My point was that the only person who actually knows what he is taking about provided some (I thought) pretty good suggestions and most of the the responses here were, shall we say, less than generous. I actually thought that, for the sake of enlightened self-interest if nothing else, people would have taken advantage of this opportunity. Clearly I was wrong.
I get that it is much more fun to bitch and moan and pound out snide remarks, but with the same number of keystrokes, they may have been able to accomplish something positive.
Oh well...
JCC
There is an inherent problem here John, we have to constantly take advantage of an opportunity. This happened in SH4 and now SH5. Does this make sense to anyone? A product is purchased in an unfinished state. The product is loaded with bugs. The product seems to have lost support by UBI. Customer has to take advantage of a community manager possibly becoming a voice in getting SH5 fixed. :hmmm: Why is it up to the community to accomplish something positive? Why is a community manager beating around the bush? Why not come out and say collect your concerns so I may present them to those that can hit the big switch for getting issues with SH5 corrected? Why must the concerns be collected again for that matter?
I really do not understand why the customer must pander to UBI for a fix.
Oh, to be sure, the community manager said SH5 can not get a development team.
I will let it rest. Such a shame because graphically SH5 is the best I have witnessed in any game. So I play in the unmodded state and enjoy it as best I can.
John Channing
07-08-10, 02:16 PM
Sure.
And I don't understand why, when I pull my car over on a totally deserted highway in the middle of the night to get out and take a leek, I am suddenly confronted by hundreds of cars, all with their "brights" on and half of them full of 10 year old girl scouts.
I also don't understand why every friggin' time I drop the toast it falls butter side down, AND manages to find the dirtiest part of the floor to land on.
Of course the answer is.... cuz that's just the way it is.
What separates the men from the boys is how you respond to the situation.
JCC
AVGWarhawk
07-08-10, 02:21 PM
Of course the answer is.... cuz that's just the way it is.
Thats the problem..it does'nt have be just the way it is. :03:
John Channing
07-08-10, 03:02 PM
Well, if you have an alternative that Ubisoft is going to buy into, I'm all ears. Until then, my point stands.
Actually I don't even know why I am engaging in any of this. With Reaper7's new interface (with working Stadimeter), a collection of mods that improve the graphics and crew commands/management/morale issues, and the option to use TDW's AI mod for the latter years of the war, for me this sim is pretty well there.
Plus, Nigeis' Radar/TDC Mod for Sh4 ROCKS!!!
I got more sub-sims than time right now. :woot:
JCC
Madox58
07-08-10, 03:08 PM
Sure.
And I don't understand why, when I pull my car over on a totally deserted highway in the middle of the night to get out and take a leek, I am suddenly confronted by hundreds of cars, all with their "brights" on and half of them full of 10 year old girl scouts.
I also don't understand why every friggin' time I drop the toast it falls butter side down, AND manages to find the dirtiest part of the floor to land on.
Of course the answer is.... cuz that's just the way it is.
If you subscribe to the popular interpretation of Occum's Razor?
It's Murphy's Law at work!
:haha:
What separates the men from the boys is how you respond to the situation.
JCC
And I've always heard:
What separates the men from the boys is the price of thier toys.
:)
aergistal
07-08-10, 03:33 PM
shikata ga nai
robbo180265
07-08-10, 03:51 PM
It really does amaze me - the amount of members here who winge and whine about the game, but when it comes to actually doing something I.E. writing to UBI to tell them how you feel about it or why you wont buy the game, it's all "oh it'll achieve nothing" , "why waste my time? "
Here, in this thread, you have a Dev in the know , who's illustrated possibly the only way of getting another patch and it seems some of you are too damn lazy to even try.
Copy and paste indeed....
AVGWarhawk
07-08-10, 03:55 PM
Well, if you have an alternative that Ubisoft is going to buy into, I'm all ears. Until then, my point stands.
Actually I don't even know why I am engaging in any of this. With Reaper7's new interface (with working Stadimeter), a collection of mods that improve the graphics and crew commands/management/morale issues, and the option to use TDW's AI mod for the latter years of the war, for me this sim is pretty well there.
Plus, Nigeis' Radar/TDC Mod for Sh4 ROCKS!!!
I got more sub-sims than time right now. :woot:
JCC
Yeah...good point. I will carry on then :D
Well, if you have an alternative that Ubisoft is going to buy into, I'm all ears. Until then, my point stands.
Actually I don't even know why I am engaging in any of this. With Reaper7's new interface (with working Stadimeter), a collection of mods that improve the graphics and crew commands/management/morale issues, and the option to use TDW's AI mod for the latter years of the war, for me this sim is pretty well there.
Plus, Nigeis' Radar/TDC Mod for Sh4 ROCKS!!!
I got more sub-sims than time right now. :woot:
JCC
Have to agree with you there. I don't think most have even played the thing <shrug> on to the next mission.
Have to agree with you there. I don't think most have even played the thing <shrug> on to the next mission.
It does seem to be that the people who hate SH5 the most are the ones who refuse to buy it. :haha:
Their loss. :timeout:
John Channing
07-08-10, 05:10 PM
It does seem to be that the people who hate SH5 the most are the ones who refuse to buy it. :haha:
If I ever decide to have a sig... that's gonna be it! :yeah:
JCC
Frumpkis
07-08-10, 05:30 PM
If I ever decide to have a sig... that's gonna be it! :yeah:
JCC
That kind of hostility towards fellow SH3/SH4 owners isn't making this sound like a very friendly place, where I'd want to participate on a more regular basis if I *do* buy SH5 in the near future. Is the subsim forum now just a private club for those who bought the game early?
Some of us are just waiting to see how this all shakes out before taking the plunge. The DRM is still a major barrier for some folks (although not for me personally, I'm more concerned about gameplay issues). And yeah... we're going to have opinions in the meantime, just like everyone else.
P.S. it's interesting that the Ubi dev comments here, and the ComDev comments in the Ubi forum, all seem aimed at current owners of the game. It's like they don't realize there are a number of us waiting on the fence to see how this goes. Maybe they don't want our money.
That kind of hostility towards fellow SH3/SH4 owners isn't making this sound like a very friendly place, where I'd want to participate on a more regular basis if I *do* buy SH5 in the near future. Is the subsim forum now just a private club for those who bought the game early?
Some of us are just waiting to see how this all shakes out before taking the plunge. The DRM is still a major barrier for some folks (although not for me personally, I'm more concerned about gameplay issues). And yeah... we're going to have opinions in the meantime, just like everyone else.
P.S. it's interesting that the Ubi dev comments here, and the ComDev comments in the Ubi forum, all seem aimed at current owners of the game. It's like they don't realize there are a number of us waiting on the fence to see how this goes. Maybe they don't want our money.
No hostility was intended, Frumpkis. :D
All SubSimmers have a common interest. It's not an Us vs. Them situation. Although, in retrospect, I could have left off the "Their loss" bit. My bad. :oops:
I guess I was finding the situation to be a bit ironic: some Silent Hunter fans, refusing to buy version 5 (for whatever reason), and then logging into the Silent Hunter 5 forum to express their hatred and encourage others to either not try the game or to abandon playing it. I would certainly never go to the SH3/4 forums and express contempt for others continuing to play these versions.
I'll endeavor to be a little less snide in my remarks. :salute:
Sailor Steve
07-08-10, 05:43 PM
That kind of hostility towards fellow SH3/SH4 owners isn't making this sound like a very friendly place, where I'd want to participate on a more regular basis if I *do* buy SH5 in the near future. Is the subsim forum now just a private club for those who bought the game early?
Subsim is a huge place with many forums, most of which have nothing to to with SH5. Anybody who looks around can see just how friendly we are here. The SH5 forum itself has been spammed for months by people who have nothing to say but "See, I told you so". People who have bought the game and like it are attacked. People who have bought the game and don't like it have for the most part said their piece and left, though some continue to fight with the ones who do like it.
I haven't bought it strictly because of the DRM. As soon as that's gone I'll buy it no matter what the cost (i.e. I'll gladly pay full price) just so I can look at the Ship Names situation and see if it's worth it to me to transfer my efforts in that department to this new game.
Some of us are just waiting to see how this all shakes out before taking the plunge. The DRM is still a major barrier for some folks (although not for me personally, I'm more concerned about gameplay issues). And yeah... we're going to have opinions in the meantime, just like everyone else.
Of course we have opinions, and of course we're entitled to complain based on what we've heard. That wasn't who Voss and JCC were talking about.
P.S. it's interesting that the Ubi dev comments here, and the ComDev comments in the Ubi forum, all seem aimed at current owners of the game. It's like they don't realize there are a number of us waiting on the fence to see how this goes. Maybe they don't want our money.
Their comments are aimed at complaints about the game, nothing more. They can only comment on what other people actually say. In this sense they people who have actually bought the game are more important, because they're the ones who know first-hand what is actually wrong. Any complaints I make can only be based on what I've heard from others.
Nisgeis
07-08-10, 05:52 PM
In this sense they people who have actually bought the game are more important, because they're the ones who know first-hand what is actually wrong. Any complaints I make can only be based on what I've heard from others.
Who may not have played the game either :DL.
Moeceefus
07-08-10, 06:28 PM
You are a sensible man Sailor Steve :salute:
scratch81
07-08-10, 07:52 PM
You have a most superlative taste in armors, my friend. :up:
Edit - Might I also recommend a mix of Swiss pikemen and Landsknecht to accompany your cavalry? :D
nah, just a bunch of angry irish men with axes.
scratch81
07-08-10, 08:21 PM
Yeah...good point. I will carry on then :D
Im a better shot with the broken one :nope:
scratch81
07-08-10, 08:28 PM
Subsim is a huge place with many forums, most of which have nothing to to with SH5. Anybody who looks around can see just how friendly we are here. The SH5 forum itself has been spammed for months by people who have nothing to say but "See, I told you so". People who have bought the game and like it are attacked. People who have bought the game and don't like it have for the most part said their piece and left, though some continue to fight with the ones who do like it.
I haven't bought it strictly because of the DRM. As soon as that's gone I'll buy it no matter what the cost (i.e. I'll gladly pay full price) just so I can look at the Ship Names situation and see if it's worth it to me to transfer my efforts in that department to this new game.
Of course we have opinions, and of course we're entitled to complain based on what we've heard. That wasn't who Voss and JCC were talking about.
Their comments are aimed at complaints about the game, nothing more. They can only comment on what other people actually say. In this sense they people who have actually bought the game are more important, because they're the ones who know first-hand what is actually wrong. Any complaints I make can only be based on what I've heard from others.
I've noticed over the years lurking here, that sailor steve is more smarterer than he really lets on... most of the time. :D
My primary reason for being here is to help where I can.
Hi Dan, I don't have the game due to the fact that I live in the country Australia where basically a connection to the internet is via 56k modem so a permanent online connection is out of the question, but for those who have the game Privateer pointed out that there are some tools supplied with the game that could well help fix a lot of problems but the lack of documentation restricts the full potential of these tools, is there a chance of getting some better documentation?:hmmm:
Drifter
07-08-10, 09:59 PM
I have to agree. The fact that the team is off working on other stuff obviously means they're not working on another SH5 patch. The implications of that are equally obvious.
Striking while the iron is hot (ie, investing in a product only when there is a reasonable chance of a return on investment) is a pretty straight forward business concept. Unfortunately, this iron has gone stone cold.
It seems SH5 is finished as far as UBI is concerned.
IMO, the thing to do then would be to just forget about getting any more help from UBI and either move on (or back) to other games... or jump into the mod action. The question I have is, can all that's seriously wrong with this game be fixed with mods? If too many (and one may be too many) of the really significant short comings are not accessible to modders, then it may not be worth the effort.
I'd really like to know the answer to that one.
JD
Silent Hunter is dead?! Of course it's dead. Nothing but smoke and mirrors runaround by Ubisoft. A great way to treat paying customers. :shifty:
And how anyone here could defend Ubisoft and their horrible business practices is beyond me. There will not be another SH5 patch. It's over. Finished. I will go even one further. Ubisoft as a company nearing it's demise. As of now, they are fighting for their very survival. Their stock values have lost over 90% in the last couple of years. I predict that they won't exist as a company within 1-2 years.
Sailor Steve
07-08-10, 10:18 PM
I've noticed over the years lurking here, that sailor steve is more smarterer than he really lets on... most of the time. :D
Or, as I like to say, I'm a real with...half the time. :dead:
karamazovnew
07-08-10, 10:40 PM
BP should hire Steve to be their spokesperson :D
Someone has said that having the dev team working on another project is proof that SH is dead. That's nonsense. It's like saying that The Elder Scrolls franchise is dead because nobody's working on a new title. Poor sales and bad quality could be the nail in coffin for SH, yes, as is Ubisoft's move to more well established titles and it's migration to consoles (Wii in particular). However I think that SH5 has showed promise, either from total newcomers enticed by the superb graphics and the lure of the sea, and a huge negative backlash from hardcore simmers (which shows there is an interest for that too) and will show a comeback as people forget about DRM and mods pick up the pace. One more comprehensive patch wouldn't hurt either.
As far as bugs are concerned, you have to remember that a game tester only cares about this much about the game he's been assigned to. And giving a niche sim to a tester must sound like making him catch roaches with his tongue. Yes, he'll spot SOME bugs, but flaws in the proper workflow will slip by. Thus, I believe that when reporting a bug, we shouldn't simply say "the AI sucks", "the stadimeter is bugged!!!! fix it!!!", but give a better explanation. That's exactly why I'm counting on the main modders to report major issues, because they've seen the bugs and the major road blocks (room for improvement, of which I've already talked about in previous posts).
As far as piracy and dll modification is concerned... Shouldn't DRM already protect the game enough? Yes, that was a sad joke, considering that pirated versions appeared almost from day one. But what I mean... shouldn't this DRM actually give us more freedom to change stuff outside the data folder? As long as we don't accidentally break the DRM of course :haha:
The discussion of whether SH franchise dies or not is as usual pretty useless and purely speculative. Again, even if it does, then this could be the opportunity for a new submarine sim to rise from the ashes. A new start occasionally is very desirable.
Anyway, if it "dies", then there is only one possible cause that would have led to that decision: economic reasons. Simply that Ubi would decide they loose out with another SH title, or they simple can earn more with a different program. And if SH sales are low now, and they loose out, well, then they probably would quickly know why if they read the posts of the past 3 month on this forum. I think most other (potential) customers will agree with one or the other post here, and the acceptance in PC magazines, online or printed, pretty much reflects this as well. And probably the sticker "permanent online connection required" acts also like a big red stop sign.
Why are we then searching for fault in this forum, with any people??? If SH dies, the fault clearly rests with another group of people -- all on the pay list of Ubisoft corporation. And whether some people learned from the Ubi's history with SHIV, and now say "I told you so", shouldn't matter either. I'd say, unfortunately, judging from the general reception and opinions on what SHV represents now, they were simply right to be cautious. If somebody thinks different about the game and enjoys it, then he shouldn't be bothered by those people either -- for him or her, they obviously were wrong with their predictions. I think everyone can be very relaxed about it.
More interesting should be what Dan and coworkers will finally do about SHV in terms of futures patches or addons now that are listening again.
Jimbuna
07-09-10, 08:20 AM
I've noticed over the years lurking here, that sailor steve is more smarterer than he really lets on... most of the time. :D
Are you sure about that? :hmmm:
:O:
aergistal
07-09-10, 08:48 AM
What we could still do is spread some words in the media about Ubisoft's indecision 'cause however you take it indecision looks bad. The question is who will care about such news, what game magazine will publish something? Nobody cares so much about it anyway if it's not a FPS. Except us.
Faamecanic
07-09-10, 08:59 AM
Then you should love the further posts.
==============================
Him:
"A decision has not been made until now IF a patch will be release OR IF no future patch will come."
Me:
Now that's pretty clear to me.
The 'until now' says it all!
The decision was just made to make no decision!
Duhhh!
Him:
Making a decision to not make a decision would still involve a decision-making process and such a thing has not happened.
The "until now" part means a clear decision should come.
Me:
So what your saying is:
No decision has been made yet on a decision weather a decision to make a decision
about decideing to, or decideing not to patch again is decided.
Now my head hurts.
========================
:har:
ROFL.... Its like a Monty Python skit.
"This parrot is dead, deceased, No MORE, He is an EX-Parrot!"
:har: :haha:
Back On topic.....
The one MAJOR area that breaks the game for me (realism wise, not functionally breaking) is the absolutely STUPID, ASSININE, UNREALISTIC mission requirements. While I agree we should be assigned a patrol grid and objective, these should NEVER be tied to a certain tonnage requirement (which as it stands now is stupid high... very few Uboat aces achieved 100,000 tons sunk) or specific ship type. And NEVER should orders be given to SINK only Warships (very few excpetions here, like when all Uboats in the area of the Bismark were ordered to help) as to engage Warships was suicide.
Oh and BTW... I DO OWN AND HAVE OWNED THE GAME SINCE RELEASE DAY. For those that want to say you cannot comment if you dont own it.
Without Mods this game is still a joke of a half finished game (4 types of ships???? WTF?). And I will stay by my point IF A GAME COMPANY RELEASES A GAME THAT IS DEPENDANT ON MODS TO MAKE IT PLAYABLE THEN THAT COMPANY FAILED. I mean come on...a "tester" as someone put it, wouldnt notice that every friendly ship in port was trying to ram his boat, other boats, docks, people, shorelines..... give me a break.
The patches released so far have helped quite a bit....but there is more to go. I dont think its fair for something to NOT be patched (like a USABLE UI) just because a MOD exsists for it...what about those customers that DONT know about this forum, or MODS???
robbo180265
07-09-10, 09:17 AM
ROFL.... Its like a Monty Python skit.
"This parrot is dead, deceased, No MORE, He is an EX-Parrot!"
If only it was as funny !
:har: :haha:
Back On topic.....
The one MAJOR area that breaks the game for me (realism wise, not functionally breaking) is the absolutely STUPID, ASSININE, UNREALISTIC mission requirements. While I agree we should be assigned a patrol grid and objective, these should NEVER be tied to a certain tonnage requirement (which as it stands now is stupid high... very few Uboat aces achieved 100,000 tons sunk) or specific ship type. And NEVER should orders be given to SINK only Warships (very few excpetions here, like when all Uboats in the area of the Bismark were ordered to help) as to engage Warships was suicide.
Oh and BTW... I DO OWN AND HAVE OWNED THE GAME SINCE RELEASE DAY. For those that want to say you cannot comment if you dont own it.
Without Mods this game is still a joke of a half finished game (4 types of ships???? WTF?). And I will stay by my point IF A GAME COMPANY RELEASES A GAME THAT IS DEPENDANT ON MODS TO MAKE IT PLAYABLE THEN THAT COMPANY FAILED. I mean come on...a "tester" as someone put it, wouldnt notice that every friendly ship in port was trying to ram his boat, other boats, docks, people, shorelines..... give me a break.
The patches released so far have helped quite a bit....but there is more to go. I dont think its fair for something to NOT be patched (like a USABLE UI) just because a MOD exsists for it...what about those customers that DONT know about this forum, or MODS???
:up: + 10
Mods should be a way of enhancing a game - say take an arcade and turn it into a sim , much as has happened to SH3 (and 4 probably - not played it, don't know)
When a game needs mods because there are bugs that the company hasn't fixed (for whatever reason) well, then game has failed in my opinion.
I'm aware of a few modders who have refused to work on SH5 for exactly that reason.
I salute you!
As I have posted on the official forum, I need your help (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/1851004178?r=7691029178#7691029178). I have read a lot of posts here but it would be impossible for me to catch up on years of content.
That's why I hope to get some support from the experienced members here.
My sole objective is to make Silent Hunter 5 a better game and I can't do it alone.
:salute:
SteelViking
07-09-10, 10:06 AM
I salute you!
As I have posted on the official forum, I need your help (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/1851004178?r=7691029178#7691029178). I have read a lot of posts here but it would be impossible for me to catch up on years of content.
That's why I hope to get some support from the experienced members here.
My sole objective is to make Silent Hunter 5 a better game and I can't do it alone.
:salute:
WOW, is this for real, or is someone playing a joke? If you are genuine, my hat is off to you my friend.:salute:
To everyone, give this guy a fair chance, he did not have to post here(he did not even have to look here) but he did, so we have to give him credit for that.
Takeda Shingen
07-09-10, 10:20 AM
WOW, is this for real, or is someone playing a joke? If you are genuine, my hat is off to you my friend.:salute:
To everyone, give this guy a fair chance, he did not have to post here(he did not even have to look here) but he did, so we have to give him credit for that.
I agree. He was in no way obligated to go as far as to create an account here and post. I should hope that the membership will keep that in mind when addressing him. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.
The Management
EDIT: Oh, and welcome, sorlim.
Nisgeis
07-09-10, 10:56 AM
I think most other (potential) customers will agree with one or the other post here, and the acceptance in PC magazines, online or printed, pretty much reflects this as well. And probably the sticker "permanent online connection required" acts also like a big red stop sign.
Of those who voted in the recent poll, 70% said they would buy it if the DRM were removed, so the DRM is the biggest turn off at the moment.
My sole objective is to make Silent Hunter 5 a better game and I can't do it alone.
Welcome aboard and good luck!
TDK1044
07-09-10, 11:07 AM
Welcome, sorlim. Thank you for making the effort of trying to improve the game. :)
aergistal
07-09-10, 11:16 AM
I went to n4g.com and found the following:
Silent Hunter 5, no drydock in sight
For the time being the fate of the submarine simulation game is in modders hands, according to Ubisoft's Community Developer.
Packed with a controversial DRM scheme that requires permanent Internet connectivity to play even in singleplayer and receiving mediocre review scores compared to the previous games in the series, Silent Hunter 5 is still in need of a few fixes even after the release of the 1.2 patch. Although the game has not been abandoned, there is no known time frame for a new patch or even the certitude that a new patch will be released:
"Right now, Silent Hunter 5 does not have and cannot get a development team. The people that have worked on the game have been assigned to different other projects for the time being"
If there's any other n4g contributors in here you may want to help this make the frontpage
http://n4g.com/news/pen/561003
It has currently 1/10 community approvals.
robbo180265
07-09-10, 11:26 AM
Welcome aboard Sorlim:salute:
As others have said before me - it's really nice to see you here. I really , really hope that you can make the game better and if you need any help then just ask.
Believe it or not we're a friendly bunch here and we want the game to work as much as you do I'm sure.
Let us know what you need and I'm sure they'll be no shortage of volunteers.
Faamecanic
07-09-10, 11:33 AM
I salute you!
As I have posted on the official forum, I need your help (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/1851004178?r=7691029178#7691029178). I have read a lot of posts here but it would be impossible for me to catch up on years of content.
That's why I hope to get some support from the experienced members here.
My sole objective is to make Silent Hunter 5 a better game and I can't do it alone.
:salute:
If this is truly sorlim ...then WELCOME!! :yeah: I feel for ya bud as my job frequently has me as the messenger (and the obligatory slaying of said messenger).
I think you will find the community here MUCH more amicable, but also a bit more demanding as we are sim nuts for the most part, and as such a demanding bunch.
Again Welcome... and hope you can find some good input from us. :salute:
Sailor Steve
07-09-10, 12:03 PM
WELCOME ABOARD SORLIM! :sunny::sunny::sunny:
This truly is an honor. You will find some negativity here as well, but I think most of us want to see SH5 live up to its considerable potential, and will do what we can to help.
I agree. He was in no way obligated to go as far as to create an account here and post. I should hope that the membership will keep that in mind when addressing him. Personal attacks will not be tolerated.
:yep:
I'm not officially part of 'The Management', but I think I can clarify what communication with Sorlim should entail:
Complaints are welcome. He knows that many of them are valid, otherwise he wouldn't be here.
Questions are welcome. Many of us have them and they need and deserve to be answered.
I assume even mild hostility is okay ("Why hasn't XXX been fixed after all these years?"). Those questions need to be answered too. But if he doesn't know the answers, we need to be patient until he can find out.
"UBIsoft sux!", "Why can't you guys do anything right?" and other questions of that sort serve no purpose other than to vent the poster's anger. That type of attack is not personal, but it wastes space and is ultimately useless.
Please be civil and helpful. Otherwise he may not stick around long.
Well this is starting to look promising...:sunny:
Would be shame for such a beautiful game to lose official support and I give credit to UBI for reaching out to the community like this.
Red sky at night, sailors delight! :D
krashkart
07-09-10, 12:51 PM
It's an honor to have you aboard, Sorlim! Welcome to Subsim. :salute:
aergistal
07-09-10, 12:53 PM
Given the recent Freewilly phenomenon I'm not buying it until there's some form of confirmation. He/she should contact Neal and provide some credentials.
Welcome if you really are the ComDev.
Takeda Shingen
07-09-10, 01:00 PM
Given the recent Freewilly phenomenon I'm not buying it until there's some form of confirmation. He/she should contact Neal and provide some credentials.
Welcome if you really are the ComDev.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/1851004178?r=7691029178#7691029178
Mookie contacted him on the Ubi forum directly. He's the read deal.
Arclight
07-09-10, 01:46 PM
I must admit, my spam-sense was tingeling as well. :lol:
No offense Sorlim, just been having a bit of spam here last months, not to mention trolling. :salute:
El Dude
07-09-10, 02:13 PM
Welcome Sorlim!
AVGWarhawk
07-09-10, 02:20 PM
Welcome Sorlim. What is the game plan? :hmmm:
Welcome aboard Sorlim, hope to read lot of news from you. :salute:
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"UBIsoft sux!", "Why can't you guys do anything right?" and other questions of that sort serve no purpose other than to vent the poster's anger. That type of attack is not personal, but it wastes space and is ultimately useless.
Please be civil and helpful. Otherwise he may not stick around long.
Once again well said Steve! :up:
I hope everyone here are gonna read this.
Btw, I hope the time ''to vent the poster's anger'' is over (I mean after 4 months...). I really think it's time to be constructive.
----
Oh and BTW... I DO OWN AND HAVE OWNED THE GAME SINCE RELEASE DAY. For those that want to say you cannot comment if you dont own it.
Not to pick a fight, but there's a small difference between I own it and I've tried it.
It's like commenting for months about a movie that you didn't see, you know...
I mean I don't care if you own a copy of this movie in your home, but at least if you have seen it, your comments can be somewhat revealing.
I know it might be hard to try SHV without owning it, but it's still possible (not insinuating illegal things here).
The Enigma
07-09-10, 02:41 PM
Hi Sorlim and welcome.
Great to see you've joined subsim.
It's a tough road you have chosen to ride on, and it's true, you cannot do this by your own.
Can you give us a hint how we can help you?
Despite the fact that I don't have bought the game, I'm always willing to help to make SH5 a better game .
So let us know in what way we can help you.
I salute you!
As I have posted on the official forum, I need your help (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/1851004178?r=7691029178#7691029178). I have read a lot of posts here but it would be impossible for me to catch up on years of content.
That's why I hope to get some support from the experienced members here.
My sole objective is to make Silent Hunter 5 a better game and I can't do it alone.
:salute:
Jimbuna
07-09-10, 02:49 PM
I salute you!
As I have posted on the official forum, I need your help (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/1851004178?r=7691029178#7691029178). I have read a lot of posts here but it would be impossible for me to catch up on years of content.
That's why I hope to get some support from the experienced members here.
My sole objective is to make Silent Hunter 5 a better game and I can't do it alone.
:salute:
Wecome sorlim http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/welcome.gif
tonschk
07-09-10, 03:08 PM
:salute: Welcome Aboard SORLIM! :yeah:
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reaper7
07-09-10, 03:18 PM
Welcome Sorlim, you are a welcome calm after a stormy night :D.
Any way I can assist, I'm only delighted.
scratch81
07-09-10, 03:42 PM
:yeah:Welcome aboard.
Madox58
07-09-10, 04:04 PM
Welcome Sorlim,
Good to see you here.
And I promise not to tease with you anymore.
;)
Of those who voted in the recent poll, 70% said they would buy it if the DRM were removed, so the DRM is the biggest turn off at the moment.
Well, admittedly, the DRM will remain a deal breaker for me, but I did not want to start another flaming war for something that presently hardly justifies it. Of course an online DRM that is forced onto it despite not really needing a permanent connection for SP is generally bad, but a game that misses or distorts so many of the beloved features of its own predecessor SHIII, features that are kind of crucial for me to "call it a simulation" closely resembling the Atlantic sub warfare of WW2, has in my opinion bigger issues.
Before the product content is straightened out by devs or modders, I just feel my time is better spent with something long enough on the market to be well characterized, tested and considered excellent by a big fan community. Once SHV reaches excellence, and makes me think it can replace my supermodded SHIII, I will surely worry about the DRM again. But either it's in the discount bin by then, or I get so tempted by it excelling over SHIII so greatly that I can barely resist. Though I assume the latter probably will never happen with direct a game sequel nowadays (i.e. not skipping one).
Anyway, for the time being the Ubi guys maybe ought to get a 3rd chance (1st was SHIV for me, 2nd the SHV initial release). There is no harm in keeping an eye on this and watching where it goes from now on. Ubi Bucharest have shown more than twice that know how to do good to excellent submarine sims of WW2, but they also screwed up twice now. Let's see what the next result will be? Essentially they can only improve this situation presently...
Akula4745
07-09-10, 04:41 PM
So now the modders are supposed to fix SH5 for the sub-loving community?
Pitiful... next Ubi will be blaming poor sales as a rationale for dropping the Silent Hunter series.
Webster
07-09-10, 04:56 PM
Please be civil and helpful. Otherwise he may not stick around long.
yes, please do not blame the messenger for our frustrations over sh5's condition.
it is my opinion that Sorlim is in a no win possition in trying to do his job at ubi forums where his task is to "collect data" and that is all he can do, so please dont give him a hard time for having no answers to your questions.
IMO from reading the posts of the other ubi forum personnel is either none of them have any desire to get answers to your questions or they really dont have any way of getting answers to your questions because ubi isnt willing to give them any answers.
all Sorlim can do is report complaints and give details about things to ubi, whatever is done with this info is not up to him.
he seams like a nice enough guy that has an impossible job to do.
ubi threw in a new guy because the others were (to be polite) "less then genuine" and no one was buying there BS about "we'll get back to you on that" so there really isnt any point in giving him a hard time for things that happened before and are out of his control. time will tell if its a smoke screen or if they are really trying to be responsive to their customers.
IMO this data collection and customer feedback "may" result in some form of further support for sh5 so we should try to be hopeful in thinking that "maybe" it is possible that another patch "might" come from it.
Moeceefus
07-09-10, 05:21 PM
I salute you!
As I have posted on the official forum, I need your help (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/1851004178?r=7691029178#7691029178). I have read a lot of posts here but it would be impossible for me to catch up on years of content.
That's why I hope to get some support from the experienced members here.
My sole objective is to make Silent Hunter 5 a better game and I can't do it alone.
:salute:
A wise choice to come here. It is a far more friendly and helpful place than Ubi's forum, and you wont feel dirty after visiting. I'm looking foward to any progress we can make on SH5. Despite its flaws, its the only SH I play anymore. :yeah:
Thank you for the warm welcome, everybody! Yes, I'm the real deal. I'll be contacting Neal to confirm my identity.
It was a must that I come directly to you guys, since you make up the biggest community and are actually my meat and potatoes ( :88) ). I'm glad you didn't feel offended that I didn't show up here earlier.
For starters, as I have posted on the official forum, this is what I'd like to do: a bundle of must-have mods (stadimeter fix, no tap dancing, horizon fix, etc.) and an list of reasons why the game might crash. Unfortunately, I won't be around for a few days and will start the sticky posts towards the end of the next week. Until then, I hope you can help me with suggestions.
Seriousness aside, I see you've gotten some good laughs out of a couple of my posts, specifically about decisions and how they are made. OK...
I like war stories. Don't you? Here's one that I've made up and in which any similarities to real people and events is purely coincidental.
Immagine a great war with many transnational parties involved, let's call it the war of Gaim Ing. In one side's war room sit several generals, admirals, marshals, looking at all sorts of maps, documents, charts and graphs.
"We have major problems on these fronts, gentlemen", says one of them. "We need to reinforce these flanks right now! Can we bring in the troops from the Noisy Prey front?"
"It's very risky, sir", responds a captain.
"We have no choice. If we lose these battles, we lose the war. Move the Noisy Prey troops to these other fronts at once!" says the great general.
So the captain storms out the door and heads on towards the Noisy Prey front. He reaches the command post and calls out the lieutenant:
"Go to the outpost and tell the sergeant to dispatch his troops to these fronts immediately!"
The lieutenant makes haste and gets to the Noisy Prey front where he summons the sergeant:
"Your company has been disbanded and your troops have been reassigned to other fronts!"
"We're still fighting some 'buggers' in this town here, they are hidden inside these houses, sir."
"That was an order!"
So the Noisy Prey front is left without any soldiers. Months pass and many of the sergeants, lieutenants, generals and even troops forget about the Noisy Prey front. At the same time, slowly but surely, word gets out to different command centers that the "buggers" have overrun the town and are disrupting everyday life for the people there.
So an intelligence department decides to dispatch a scout to asses the situation. And if he gathers enough good information, maybe the generals will send some troops back to the Noisy Prey front.
The scout starts his journey and has problems even finding the road since nobody's been through there for quite some time. He finally reaches his destination and the situation is rather bleak. He starts to make reports but is unsure whether any troops will come no matter how many distress signals he sends.
Fortunately, some of the people from the town have military experience or can at least fire a weapon. So, rather than stand around and wait, the scout decides to help organize the townspeople against the "buggers". Many of the people in the community have already built ramparts and all sorts of devices that serve this purpose. Visitors, however, don't know these things and many of them get struck down right after entering the town limits. But with a little bit of work, almost everybody can be safe on the Noisy Prey front.
So work starts in the community but will reinforcements ever come? Will the "buggers" ever be routed? Or will these people have to fend for themselves? I guess we'll see that in another chapter...
This is all pure fiction, but I suspect that's the way most of the modern day wars between transnational parties are fought.
Madox58
07-09-10, 05:39 PM
I get what your saying Mate.
:yep:
But your going to make it hard for me not to fun with you.
:haha:
Gaim Ing.
I like that.
:har:
:up:
I get what your saying Mate.
:yep:
But your going to make it hard for me not to fun with you.
:haha:
Gaim Ing.
I like that.
:har:
:up:
I did say "seriousness aside" so please do :rotfl2: if you feel like it. :D
The general didn't decide to suspend the activity on the Noisy Prey front. He didn't even consider the implications of doing that. He didn't make a decision against something, rather he was forced to make a decision for something else. And when you're forced, it's not really a decision, is it?
So now do you understand what I meant when I said "the decision to not make a decision would still involve a decision-making process and that hasn't happened yet"? :doh:
reaper7
07-09-10, 06:25 PM
Thank you for the warm welcome, everybody! Yes, I'm the real deal. I'll be contacting Neal to confirm my identity.
It was a must that I come directly to you guys, since you make up the biggest community and are actually my meat and potatoes ( :88) ). I'm glad you didn't feel offended that I didn't show up here earlier.
For starters, as I have posted on the official forum, this is what I'd like to do: a bundle of must-have mods (stadimeter fix, no tap dancing, horizon fix, etc.) and an list of reasons why the game might crash. Unfortunately, I won't be around for a few days and will start the sticky posts towards the end of the next week. Until then, I hope you can help me with suggestions.
Seriousness aside, I see you've gotten some good laughs out of a couple of my posts, specifically about decisions and how they are made. OK...
I like war stories. Don't you? Here's one that I've made up and in which any similarities to real people and events is purely coincidental.
Immagine a great war with many transnational parties involved, let's call it the war of Gaim Ing. In one side's war room sit several generals, admirals, marshals, looking at all sorts of maps, documents, charts and graphs.
"We have major problems on these fronts, gentlemen", says one of them. "We need to reinforce these flanks right now! Can we bring in the troops from the Noisy Prey front?"
"It's very risky, sir", responds a captain.
"We have no choice. If we lose these battles, we lose the war. Move the Noisy Prey troops to these other fronts at once!" says the great general.
So the captain storms out the door and heads on towards the Noisy Prey front. He reaches the command post and calls out the lieutenant:
"Go to the outpost and tell the sergeant to dispatch his troops to these fronts immediately!"
The lieutenant makes haste and gets to the Noisy Prey front where he summons the sergeant:
"Your company has been disbanded and your troops have been reassigned to other fronts!"
"We're still fighting some 'buggers' in this town here, they are hidden inside these houses, sir."
"That was an order!"
So the Noisy Prey front is left without any soldiers. Months pass and many of the sergeants, lieutenants, generals and even troops forget about the Noisy Prey front. At the same time, slowly but surely, word gets out to different command centers that the "buggers" have overrun the town and are disrupting everyday life for the people there.
So an intelligence department decides to dispatch a scout to asses the situation. And if he gathers enough good information, maybe the generals will send some troops back to the Noisy Prey front.
The scout starts his journey and has problems even finding the road since nobody's been through there for quite some time. He finally reaches his destination and the situation is rather bleak. He starts to make reports but is unsure whether any troops will come no matter how many distress signals he sends.
Fortunately, some of the people from the town have military experience or can at least fire a weapon. So, rather than stand around and wait, the scout decides to help organize the townspeople against the "buggers". Many of the people in the community have already built ramparts and all sorts of devices that serve this purpose. Visitors, however, don't know howthese things and many of them get struck down right after entering the town limits. But with a little bit of work, almost everybody can be safe on the Noisy Prey front.
So work starts in the community but will reinforcements ever come? Will the "buggers" ever be routed? Or will these people have to fend for themselves? I guess we'll see that in another chapter...
This is all pure fiction, but I suspect that's the way most of the modern day wars between transnational parties are fought.
:haha::rotfl2::haha:. Lol well posted.
Hope this Gaim Ing war has a good navy. Maybe even a U-boat or 2. :D
Madox58
07-09-10, 06:32 PM
I understood from the get go.
:)
My post was meant as a pointer to those who could not grasp the obvious.
You just helped make it funner.
:haha:
And God knows we all need to lighten up and get busy!
Sure Modders can fix 'somethings'.
And Yes, there is 'advise' from some of the Devs.
But they are under contract and can only tell us so much.
They risk thier jobs if they say or advise to much.
That I understand also.
And accept.
I'm sitting here now looking at all sorts of things in SH3, SH4, and SH5.
It's my hobby and I know a great deal about my hobby.
I can do things with the SH series that can not be released because they
cross the line.
"We do not Hack the Game and release".
I have asked about a 'Ubi Approved' Mod Team that may be allowed
some freedom to operate under Ubi License to create GR2 files.
I got no answer to this day.
The GR2 files are key in many areas!
SH5 will die a slow and painful death if the Modders are denied access!
The patch that allows importing Units from other versions is flawed!
It's a half done job that misses many important points.
The bottom line is.
Crappy Imports?
No reason to even waste my time any longer.
Sailor Steve
07-09-10, 07:05 PM
Btw, I hope the time ''to vent the poster's anger'' is over (I mean after 4 months...). I really think it's time to be constructive.
Unfortunately it's not, which may or may not be why he came to us for help. At least on poster at the UBIsoft forum, upon reading Sorlim's statement that there is currently no dev team, immediately started in with a "This shows how low UBI can go!" rant. There are good folks over there too, and there are folks here who still go being extremely negative. I'm not saying people should not be negative, just not push it to extremes.
I just hope we can work together to convince UBI to help us get it sorted out, and that we can help them.
Sailor Steve
07-09-10, 07:13 PM
Unfortunately, I won't be around for a few days and will start the sticky posts towards the end of the next week.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW1nC56E3KU
karamazovnew
07-09-10, 07:53 PM
Uhmm... ok, so how do we proceed? No use having Sorlim look through 100000 posts. His main job is to take care of the UBI forum. Sure, we have the "SH5: Bugs, glitches, and issues thread" but it's still pretty disorderly.
How about we start a new one "Requests for patch 1.3", where the first 3 posts fall into the next categories:
- major gameplay affecting bugs (ex: the stadimeter)
- minor bugs due to design problems (ex: clicking on crew through walls)
- requests by modders
And the started should take up the job to update these first 3 posts with the most relevant info. :hmmm:
Uhmm... ok, so how do we proceed? No use having Sorlim look through 100000 posts. His main job is to take care of the UBI forum. Sure, we have the "SH5: Bugs, glitches, and issues thread" but it's still pretty disorderly.
How about we start a new one "Requests for patch 1.3", where the first 3 posts fall into the next categories:
- major gameplay affecting bugs (ex: the stadimeter)
- minor bugs due to design problems (ex: clicking on crew through walls)
- requests by modders
And the started should take up the job to update these first 3 posts with the most relevant info. :hmmm:
Sounds like a plan.
1st cab off the rank is to cut the internet tether so more people will buy the game in the first place. That might free up a few clams for Ubit to employ more than one body on this front.
I'm with Privateer on the issue of allowing modders to legally cross the line. Some of the bugs from what I've seen posted can only be fixed by making changes at the source. Unless these bugs are eradicated, then no amount of modding will fix them without someone having the cross the line legally which despite being able to do, no-one in this section of the community is willing to risk their wallet to make them publicly available.
UBI mottos
http://img.over-blog.com/630x470-000000/0/00/35/40//shadoks/shadok03.jpg
If there is no solution, there is no problem.
No arms,no chocolate !
No GR2 editor , no modders !
Takeda Shingen
07-09-10, 10:01 PM
UBI mottos
http://img.over-blog.com/630x470-000000/0/00/35/40//shadoks/shadok03.jpg
If there is no solution, there is no problem.
No arms,no chocolate !
No GR2 editor , no modders !
Well, that's not very productive.
What productive ?
Sorry, but without GR2 editor, you can not change anything more! No aditional submarines, no possibility of correcting the interior ( textures, 3D elements etc. ..) without the editor personally, I stop modding :nope:
it's been over two months that I break my head, just to try to deliver good labels (those upside down and those has placed anyway) and " lost " needles etc etc etc etc .... :damn:
and again sorry, but without tools, I could not see how you be productive ?
Takeda Shingen
07-09-10, 10:39 PM
What productive ?
Sorry, but without GR2 editor, you can not change anything more! No aditional submarines, no possibility of correcting the interior ( textures, 3D elements etc. ..) without the editor personally, I stop modding :nope:
it's been over two months that I break my head, just to try to deliver good labels (those upside down and those has placed anyway) and " lost " needles etc etc etc etc .... :damn:
and again sorry, but without tools, I could not see how you be productive ?
We all know what the state of the game is. I suppose what I was getting at was that I was hoping we could be beyond the whole kicking-screaming-lying on the floor face down-crying-pounding fists-throwing a temper tantrum thing by now and try to pull together to make SH5 into something. It is what we did with SH3 and SH4.
and how ? 12500$ :doh: to buy one licence of Granny SDK ? if UBI make nothing ?
scratch81
07-09-10, 10:44 PM
I understood from the get go.
:)
My post was meant as a pointer to those who could not grasp the obvious.
You just helped make it funner.
:haha:
And God knows we all need to lighten up and get busy!
Sure Modders can fix 'somethings'.
And Yes, there is 'advise' from some of the Devs.
But they are under contract and can only tell us so much.
They risk thier jobs if they say or advise to much.
That I understand also.
And accept.
I'm sitting here now looking at all sorts of things in SH3, SH4, and SH5.
It's my hobby and I know a great deal about my hobby.
I can do things with the SH series that can not be released because they
cross the line.
"We do not Hack the Game and release".
I have asked about a 'Ubi Approved' Mod Team that may be allowed
some freedom to operate under Ubi License to create GR2 files.
I got no answer to this day.
The GR2 files are key in many areas!
SH5 will die a slow and painful death if the Modders are denied access!
The patch that allows importing Units from other versions is flawed!
It's a half done job that misses many important points.
The bottom line is.
Crappy Imports?
No reason to even waste my time any longer.
But that would require a decision making processs to decide whether or not a decision making process is required to decides to... crap now im lost...
SteelViking
07-09-10, 10:44 PM
We all know what the state of the game is. I suppose what I was getting at was that I was hoping we could be beyond the whole kicking-screaming-lying on the floor face down-crying-pounding fists-throwing a temper tantrum thing by now and try to pull together to make SH5 into something. It is what we did with SH3 and SH4.
Me and BIGREG have been working together, so I know where he is coming from. We have been hitting some really aggravating problems lately. I am pretty sure he is just making/reinforcing the case that to properly advance the game, we will need to be able to edit/create GR2 files. He is not kicking/screaming.
http://img.over-blog.com/630x470-000000/0/00/35/40//shadoks/shadok23.jpg
In the Navy, we must welcome everything that moves, and paint the rest
The Enigma
07-10-10, 03:33 AM
yes, please do not blame the messenger for our frustrations over sh5's condition.
it is my opinion that Sorlim is in a no win possition in trying to do his job at ubi forums where his task is to "collect data" and that is all he can do, so please dont give him a hard time for having no answers to your questions.
IMO from reading the posts of the other ubi forum personnel is either none of them have any desire to get answers to your questions or they really dont have any way of getting answers to your questions because ubi isnt willing to give them any answers.
all Sorlim can do is report complaints and give details about things to ubi, whatever is done with this info is not up to him.
he seams like a nice enough guy that has an impossible job to do.
ubi threw in a new guy because the others were (to be polite) "less then genuine" and no one was buying there BS about "we'll get back to you on that" so there really isnt any point in giving him a hard time for things that happened before and are out of his control. time will tell if its a smoke screen or if they are really trying to be responsive to their customers.
IMO this data collection and customer feedback "may" result in some form of further support for sh5 so we should try to be hopeful in thinking that "maybe" it is possible that another patch "might" come from it.
My thoughts exactly. :rock:
How to proceed? I have one suggestion, but it would require some cooperation from Takeda and the other moderators to ensure some sort of discipline:
- Add a specific thread in which only productive and cooperative comments, complaints, problem description or solution ideas for Sorlim go. Nothing else, no unbased complaints, nothing that may not lead short or long term to improvement of SHV, and nothing that is not directly or at least evidently indirectly related to patching SHV. This thread could even be sticked. But some set of rules needs to be established and enforced to make sure Sorlim gets the crucial information right away. If the poor guy has to dig through four months of posts here, he will need all his time to find the problems, and have none to work out the solutions. We can probably add a lot to the latter if we support the prior and give him the info he needs. If Ubi is honest about a new start for SHV, we ought to play fair and give him/them this chance. Everyone earns a last chance, as long as the index doesn't exceed no 3. ;-)
tonschk
07-10-10, 03:57 AM
yes, please do not blame the messenger for our frustrations over sh5's condition.
What frustrations ? ? ? , :salute: I LOVE The Silent Hunter 5 Simulator and I think have a HUGE Potential and a :yeah: BRIGHT :DL Future
.
That's not very helpful either.
Just because you love something does not mean you should be blind to its faults.
Takeda Shingen
07-10-10, 06:13 AM
How to proceed? I have one suggestion, but it would require some cooperation from Takeda and the other moderators to ensure some sort of discipline:
- Add a specific thread in which only productive and cooperative comments, complaints, problem description or solution ideas for Sorlim go. Nothing else, no unbased complaints, nothing that may not lead short or long term to improvement of SHV, and nothing that is not directly or at least evidently indirectly related to patching SHV. This thread could even be sticked. But some set of rules needs to be established and enforced to make sure Sorlim gets the crucial information right away. If the poor guy has to dig through four months of posts here, he will need all his time to find the problems, and have none to work out the solutions. We can probably add a lot to the latter if we support the prior and give him the info he needs. If Ubi is honest about a new start for SHV, we ought to play fair and give him/them this chance. Everyone earns a last chance, as long as the index doesn't exceed no 3. ;-)
Okay. If we can get enough agreement, I'm game.
aergistal
07-10-10, 06:15 AM
Ok so it's out
http://n4g.com/news/561003/silent-hunter-5-no-drydock-in-sight
I'm not sure if it'll work to something but I did my part and forwarded it to another 10 gaming sites, including Gamasutra and Gamespot.
The Enigma
07-10-10, 07:07 AM
Okay. If we can get enough agreement, I'm game.
I would support such a thread. :yep:
Okay. If we can get enough agreement, I'm game.
Count me in.:up:
Jimbuna
07-10-10, 07:47 AM
Okay. If we can get enough agreement, I'm game.
Rgr that http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif
robbo180265
07-10-10, 08:07 AM
Me too:salute:
Sailor Steve
07-10-10, 08:27 AM
He is not kicking/screaming.
The huge red letters do denote shouting, and it said nothing about your problems, but was merely a mocking insult.
That's why it was not productive. it doesn't ask for help, or discuss the problem, it merely makes fun of UBI, and because he's their representative now, of Sorlim.
It doesn't help any of us.
Count me in.:up:
Rgr that http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif
Me too:salute:
Ditto.
Sailor Steve
07-10-10, 08:35 AM
Ditto.
Me too, though only not owning the game any comments from be will be more supportive than contributive.
Arclight
07-10-10, 08:42 AM
I'd say that qualifies as constructive. :yep:
Sounds like a plan, really need a thread were the valuable stuff gets taken up in a list. Reading through dozens of pages of bug-reports where half aren't even bugs, for example, isn't too helpfull.
aergistal
07-10-10, 08:49 AM
Sounds like a plan, really need a thread were the valuable stuff gets taken up in a list. Reading through dozens of pages of bug-reports where half aren't even bugs, for example, isn't too helpfull.
You could create an online document in Google Docs that would summarize the ideas in the thread. I think it would be clearer than a forum list, easier to print, distribute etc. Dunno, just an idea.
And it should contain categories and importance ratings.
SteelViking
07-10-10, 09:05 AM
You can count me in also.:salute:
mookiemookie
07-10-10, 09:18 AM
Okay. If we can get enough agreement, I'm game.
Agreed.
John Channing
07-10-10, 09:23 AM
I'm in.
JCC
The Enigma
07-10-10, 09:31 AM
You could create an online document in Google Docs that would summarize the ideas in the thread. I think it would be clearer than a forum list, easier to print, distribute etc. Dunno, just an idea.
And it should contain categories and importance ratings.
I don't think that would be handy.
Here is where the community gathers.
Putting the thread outside subsim you may risk it doesn't get all the attention it needs, I'm afraid.
reaper7
07-10-10, 09:42 AM
Count me in also.
Also posted this on the Ubi thread will post here also as it may be of help.
Hi Sorlim, I'm glad you have turned up and wish you success in your task ahead.
I just wish to input my findings on the Stadimeter bug.
You may be aware but I recently made a mod to fix this issue as can be found at:
Stadimeter Mod (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171615)
It is also included in my WIP HiRes UI Mod that brings SH5 back to the UI styling os SH3/4
this can be found at:
HIRES Mod (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=169119)
Now in regards to the Stadimeter bug I used redundant SH4 items that are disabled in SH5.
There is a lot of SH3, Sh4 stuff left over in the SH5 game and it is a Godsend for us Modders - although a lot of stuff was stripped out completely like the Attack Map and an important feature the KM GRID.
Now the stock version of the stadimeter does not work due to the mast height not being sent when the Ship is ID'ed in the XO-Dialog.
The default mast height is 20Meters so this is what the stadimeter sends for its range calculations and not the correct height.
The button that send this is the SendToTDCBt
PageXO_TDC_Dialog_Dialog_Toolbar_SendToTDCBt
(Its ID is 160C0018 in the Menu Editor)
Now as I said earlier there is a lot of SH3/4 stuff in the game including another SH4 SendToTDCBt in the SH4 Recognition Manual Page
Pagerecognitionmanual_Recmanual_Unit_Browsing_CkSe lected
(Its ID is 25060009 in the Menu Editor).
This one does send the Mast height but can only be used with the SH4 style Recon Manual.
Which I played with when developing my Stadimeter Mod.
Now if the SH4 ID could be switched to the SH5 one or the programmer code that would fix the Stadimeter Bug problem.
Hope this is of help, If anything doesn't make sense just ask. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Takeda Shingen
07-10-10, 10:12 AM
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=172155
Alright, then. It is done. I have titled the thread 'Fix My SH5', after the famous 'Fix My 688(i)' movement which originated on this forum many years ago. I feel it fitting, as it involved a game with so much potential that was left with issues unresolved. The ensuing efforts were very successful, and yet very respectful of the developers and publishers, which continues to pay dividends to this day. It is my hope that our community can continue in that tradition, and that the approach taken with the old Janes title will serve as the model for this movement.
Okay. If we can get enough agreement, I'm game.
Of course, I agree. :cool:
Me too, though only not owning the game any comments from be will be more supportive than contributive.
I'm afraid my comments could also 'be more supportive than contributive' since my computer can barely handle SHV (at least for the moment). :-?
----
Edit:
Even if I rarely agree with you janh, that was a great idea. :yeah:
...and a good initiative from Takeda. :salute:
Even if I'm not gonna be very helpful for the moment, it's gonna be an interesting read.
Faamecanic
07-10-10, 01:49 PM
How to proceed? I have one suggestion, but it would require some cooperation from Takeda and the other moderators to ensure some sort of discipline:
- Add a specific thread in which only productive and cooperative comments, complaints, problem description or solution ideas for Sorlim go. Nothing else, no unbased complaints, nothing that may not lead short or long term to improvement of SHV, and nothing that is not directly or at least evidently indirectly related to patching SHV. This thread could even be sticked. But some set of rules needs to be established and enforced to make sure Sorlim gets the crucial information right away. If the poor guy has to dig through four months of posts here, he will need all his time to find the problems, and have none to work out the solutions. We can probably add a lot to the latter if we support the prior and give him the info he needs. If Ubi is honest about a new start for SHV, we ought to play fair and give him/them this chance. Everyone earns a last chance, as long as the index doesn't exceed no 3. ;-)
I like that idea....I even may post something constructive to it :haha:
Faamecanic
07-10-10, 01:50 PM
So now the modders are supposed to fix SH5 for the sub-loving community?
Pitiful... next Ubi will be blaming poor sales as a rationale for dropping the Silent Hunter series.
Oh you mean like SH3 and Sh4??? LOL I hope you were be sarcastic.
Faamecanic
07-10-10, 01:58 PM
Not to pick a fight, but there's a small difference between I own it and I've tried it.
It's like commenting for months about a movie that you didn't see, you know...
I mean I don't care if you own a copy of this movie in your home, but at least if you have seen it, your comments can be somewhat revealing.
I know it might be hard to try SHV without owning it, but it's still possible (not insinuating illegal things here).
Not sure what your driving at here Meo. If that comment was directed at me, I DO OWN it (Should I scan the cover and UPC to prove it??), I HAVE been playing it in short bursts (currently in Apr 1940) but cant seem to play it consistently because Im trying out MODS to fix what UBI saw fit not to finish.
Example: Right now Im totally put out by the scripted missions. I have searched for several nights (after work, real world time) trying to find the 5 AMCs (after searching for WTF a AMC is). I have found 3 of them (thanks to the forums) moored in a certain area.... but have sat there for 5 game days now and they havent moved. Dont want to hit them while moored as it wont count (I think). VERY boring ....would rather be out on patrol for convoys.... you know...like REAL Uboats did (instead of being ordered to engage capital ships ...which did NOT happen in the war).
Anyway... I do agree though those that do not own the game, or have not played it for more than 1 patrol really need to delve in a little deeper before slamming it.
Madox58
07-10-10, 02:04 PM
But that would require a decision making processs to decide whether or not a decision making process is required to decides to... crap now im lost...
Your makeing my head hurt again.
:nope:
:har:
Faamecanic
07-10-10, 02:12 PM
The huge red letters do denote shouting, and it said nothing about your problems, but was merely a mocking insult.
That's why it was not productive. it doesn't ask for help, or discuss the problem, it merely makes fun of UBI, and because he's their representative now, of Sorlim.
It doesn't help any of us.
Agree with you Steve...but at the same time keep in mind two things... 1) Due to BIGREG being from France and trying his best to speak English..maybe some of that mocking is unintentional. 2) He and Steelviking have been working HARD on some really good mods and both have hit MAJOR stumbling blocks. Maybe there is a bit of frustration here in his tone (as opposed to mocking).
If that comment was directed at me
No, not at all.
It's just that I've seen several time this type of comments : ''just because I don't own it, blablabla...''
You know...
So no offence mate. :DL
:salute:
It was not to ridicule or insult, but a statement !
sorry if I offended some people, but I spend a lot of time for the Community buildings and this without asking anything apart from having the means of upgrades carried SH5, for the community since my purchase of SH5, I have not played 10 hours in all! I'm still in 1939!
So that is why I am a bit up against Ubisoft, which they do not move, except of course Sorlim who had the courage to come on Subsim.com :up:
But if I upset, I can withdraw immediately, style soccer team of France :haha::har:
Madox58
07-10-10, 02:57 PM
Some of the interior issues can be fixed.
I'm still waiting on the screenshots to address the issues.
Without the Shots?
I can go no further.
:nope:
They need someone to say, The DRM thinggy is gone. Otherwise, they are just wasting money.
No DRM, da da, no DRM da da.:O:
They need someone to say, The DRM thinggy is gone. Otherwise, they are just wasting money.
No DRM, da da, no DRM da da.:O: Have you finish your install for Balz?
We need him, :wah:
Sailor Steve
07-10-10, 11:01 PM
:salute:
It was not to ridicule or insult, but a statement !
I apologize for snapping at you. Your contributions are great, and I did forget that English is not your native language. It does help to explain what you mean when you complain though.
Please don't leave. I respect you and don't like offending anyone either. :sunny:
scratch81
07-10-10, 11:33 PM
Your makeing my head hurt again.
:nope:
:har:
Sorry, was trying to make sure we was all on the same page there. So... have we decided anything yet?
All fun aside, i agree that a centralized bug report (not a frustration vent) would be crucial in providing clear and concise information on the issues we are having with various bugs, and has my full support.
krashkart
07-11-10, 12:38 AM
Sorry, was trying to make sure we was all on the same page there. So... have we decided anything yet?
All fun aside, i agree that a centralized bug report (not a frustration vent) would be crucial in providing clear and concise information on the issues we are having with various bugs, and has my full support.
It's been started already, mate.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=172155
:salute:
Even if I rarely agree with you janh, that was a great idea.
The art to "agree to disagree". ;-) That's fine, I am often a tough opponent to agree with. Too many too high expectations, but what else can drive one forward? Due to human nature being notoriously error prone, there would probably be no true progress in humanity if there were no disagreement.
The new thread is really awesome, thanks to be the people here at subsim. Imagine what Ubisoft could have achieved with this game if they had recruited alpha and beta testers from the "veterans" of the subsim community, and devoted a little more attention to their game. That would have been unbeatable for another decade.
badaboom
07-11-10, 07:07 AM
Sorlim,Welcome!!!!! Thank you for comming here and facing the heat!! We do need your/ubi's help to make SHV A great sim.Which I believe is possible if we all work together.
Cheers to you sir!!!:rock:
John Channing
07-11-10, 08:41 AM
Imagine what Ubisoft could have achieved with this game if they had recruited alpha and beta testers from the "veterans" of the subsim community...
In fact, for Silent Hunter IV, they did but it still came out with more than it's fair share of problems. Some members of the Subsim community were unofficially involved with it while it was still in the design phase and right up to Beta and release.
In the end it will always come down to time and resources. Intentions and plans take a back seat.
JCC
mookiemookie
07-11-10, 11:35 AM
In fact, for Silent Hunter IV, they did but it still came out with more than it's fair share of problems. Some members of the Subsim community were unofficially involved with it while it was still in the design phase and right up to Beta and release.
In the end it will always come down to time and resources. Intentions and plans take a back seat.
JCC
You didn't mention the leaked SH4 patch that was being beta tested by community members - effectively destroying any chance of community involvement in development ever again.
John Channing
07-11-10, 12:56 PM
Yeah... that was such a crappy time I try to put it out of my mind. I really felt bad for a couple of well meaning people who only wanted the best for the community and then some creep pays them back like that.
On the other hand I would love to know who the SOB that leaked it was. I would love the opportunity to explain to them publically how badly they screwed things up for everyone else. I truly believe that that is one of the main reasons for Ubisoft's "keep it quiet" policy this time around.
JCC
Rockin Robbins
07-11-10, 01:43 PM
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/popcorn.gif
Being a non-owner of SH5, but an owner of SH3 and SH4, I am in Sailor Steve's position and will join him as cheerleader. I've been very critical of Ubi but putting Sorlim forward is a positive step that needs total support.
We need a great submarine simulator. Whether it is U-Boats, fleet boats or other is of secondary importance. Where it comes from is of secondary importance. If, in spite of missteps so far, Ubi is the one who steps up and delivers, GREAT! I loudly jungle unspent submarine simulator allocated cash in my pocket for a great product protected by DRM that makes sense and does not remove well established fair use rights of owners of copyrighted materials.
I insist on retaining my right to sell, lend or give away the game I have purchased. As with Steam, that right is subject to exchange for compelling value, but it will be entirely voluntary on my part.
As far as fixing the mechanics of the game, it looks like to major players are all here. Go! Go! Go! Privateer, it might be a good idea to hook Sorlim up with your site.:up:
EgoApocalypse
07-11-10, 10:08 PM
After reading through all these posts and never really putting my opinion across on many of the threads that are a bit of tit for tat talk, Now no offence to anyone with that statment. Here we go with the PC bit. Not saying that all the other threads with heart felt conflict or criticism, From both lovers and haters, was at all a waste of time, But its time I said something Ref Sorlim.
This guy seems to be a very out spoken, willing and able person, Thats because he put his hand up and got noticed and is willing to take the flak from all of us here and genuienly seems to care about us and what we all think and feel about SH5. Thats was a big task that UBI has left him with and it looks like they might of gave the job to the right person, Now if all of the feedback everybody gives comes to nothing. There should be no hard feelings, This is guy is gonna try, is my guess and all the people with bitter tastes in there mouths should wash it away. Give the guy what he wants, We all have gripes with things in life and no point in being a part of the problem, be part of the soultion, This community has a great sense of dedication and pride rarely seen anywhere( On the Net ) and should remember that and focus on the problem at hand, Rant over, all BS. But I could go on forever so I thought I might stop.
Anyways hope it all works out, Dont know why I wil put this up but hey.
Charlie901
07-11-10, 11:05 PM
IMHO Ubi put the new community manager in to prevent disasterous PR complaints and possible litigation by them not addressing the outstanding issues of this sim...
So maybe he's just here to crack some cool jokes and try to make us happy by repeating that UBI does care about us without accomplishing anything regarding official future support for this title in way of additional patches, drm issues etc...
I really hope this is just more than an empty PR Damage Control Maneuver by UBI soft...
I really expect more at this point than some weekly jokes to keep us happy.
Madox58
07-12-10, 01:04 AM
Privateer, it might be a good idea to hook Sorlim up with your site.:up:
All he needs to do is click on my sig.
:03:
JScones
07-12-10, 04:54 AM
Well, you can count me out...
...only because I haven't played the game and thus couldn't contribute anything that wasn't second hand or hearsay, at least beyond broad reasons why the game doesn't appeal to me (and no, DRM doesn't factor as a big issue to me).
So I'll join the others on the sideline and watch the proceedings unfold. :up:
Faamecanic
07-12-10, 10:11 AM
No, not at all.
It's just that I've seen several time this type of comments : ''just because I don't own it, blablabla...''
You know...
So no offence mate. :DL
No offsence taken bud! Thats why I asked .... if I get offended by forum posts then I dont have enough REAL work to do in life :)
Well, so much for Sorlim!:salute:
Faamecanic
07-15-10, 10:19 AM
Well, so much for Sorlim!:salute:
Whaaa....what do you mean by that? Did he get relieved of duty?
Faamecanic
07-15-10, 10:29 AM
Yes, there is finally some movement on the SH5 front, but it is too early to get excited. More to the immediate point, I have empathy for sorlim. The fallout from SH5 made for a bumpy few months here on SubSim, and a rough time to be in the moderator chair. At least there were several of us working together and we had Neal, who is just a first-rate site owner and administrator. Still, we were only third parties; sorlim will have to actually defend the product, something that we never had to do, as he is the face of the company on that forum. Moreover, he will have to go it alone; not an enviable position by any account. The guy needs a team.
And most of us thank you MODS and Neil for hanging in there with our shenanigans :yeah: (even mine)
I think sorlim would find an EXCELLENT team HERE at subsim ready to help him out. And that is starting with the thread you put up for CONSTRUCTIVE critism and suggestions for SH5 ...again a big :yeah:
In fact even ms-kleaneasy has thanked subsim for that thread WOOT! Here http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/1851004178/p/8
The only way we shall have any hope to see REAL bug fixes from UBI, and maybe even some loosening up on the source code so our MODDERS can kick arse ...is to be constructive and SHOW UBI a fan base DOES exsist.
Sailor Steve
07-15-10, 10:41 AM
And most of us thank you MODS and Neil for hanging in there with our shenanigans :yeah: (even mine)
And some of us also thank Neal.
:rotfl2:
Jimbuna
07-15-10, 11:00 AM
And some of us also thank Neal.
:rotfl2:
I've always appreciated Kneel actually :DL
John Channing
07-15-10, 11:10 AM
Yup, Gneel is a great guy!
JCC
krashkart
07-15-10, 11:14 AM
Keel is a great guy! :yeah:
:shifty:
"Keel"?? :damn:
Sailor Steve
07-15-10, 11:49 AM
Silence! I keel you!
krashkart
07-15-10, 12:04 PM
Silence! I keel you!
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=258&pictureid=2510
AVGWarhawk
07-15-10, 12:08 PM
Kneel..who is Kneel? :hmmm:
krashkart
07-15-10, 12:20 PM
Kneel..who is Kneel? :hmmm:
I don't know, but I heard he's from Kiel.
John Channing
07-15-10, 12:22 PM
Silence! I keel you!
Hey.. you guys just gave me a great idea.
From now on when someone gets the boot we can refer to it and being Nealhauled!
Get it? Keelhauled.. Nealhauled... Neal is the owner of Subsim... get it?
JCC
robbo180265
07-15-10, 12:24 PM
Hey.. you guys just gave me a great idea.
From now on when someone gets the boot we can refer to it and being Nealhauled!
Get it? Keelhauled.. Nealhauled... Neal is the owner of Subsim... get it?
JCC
:har:
Takeda Shingen
07-15-10, 12:24 PM
Hey.. you guys just gave me a great idea.
From now on when someone gets the boot we can refer to it and being Nealhauled!
Get it? Keelhauled.. Nealhauled... Neal is the owner of Subsim... get it?
JCC
That should be the message recieved when banned:
YOU'VE BEEN NEALHAULED
The Enigma
07-15-10, 12:28 PM
:haha::haha:
Sailor Steve
07-15-10, 02:07 PM
Q: What is 'Nealhauled'?
A: It's like being 'Rickrolled', but with teeth.
Harmsway!
07-15-10, 03:41 PM
Just because patches aren't released every other month doesn't mean UBI has dropped all support for SH5. Many of you are reading into this stuff that isn't there.
Like many of you I've enjoyed the SH series since it came out. Going by how things went down in the past some patches took over six months to come out. It wouldn't be until this September/October before I begin to question UBI intentions. I would also suspect at that time it would be the last patch. Normally they would want to hang on to the last patch as long as possible before releasing for various reasons.
It is also my opinion at that time or a least by next spring they will drop DRM because the return on investment won't be there any longer. That's my hope anyway.
Harmsway!
07-15-10, 04:00 PM
Oh and one more observation I want to point out. It has only been a few months since initial release and the market price has already dropped below half. That is a very bad sign for all of us.
At this point in time price should have only dropped by 25%. Especially since they aren't pushing a commanders addition with added elements. The gold addition doesn't cut it. SH5 is losing market value fast.
I could be wrong but they could sell the product all over again if they put out a commanders addition with the final patch, end of the war campaign year, extended (sensible) crew dialog and more U-Boats types. Throw in a nicely written manual and some hard copy maps. Crap everyone would jump on it.
Faamecanic
07-15-10, 07:25 PM
Just because patches aren't released every other month doesn't mean UBI has dropped all support for SH5. Many of you are reading into this stuff that isn't there.
Like many of you I've enjoyed the SH series since it came out. Going by how things went down in the past some patches took over six months to come out. It wouldn't be until this September/October before I begin to question UBI intentions. I would also suspect at that time it would be the last patch. Normally they would want to hang on to the last patch as long as possible before releasing for various reasons.
It is also my opinion at that time or a least by next spring they will drop DRM because the return on investment won't be there any longer. That's my hope anyway.
While true that just because a game publisher doesnt release a patch every month doesnt mean there wont be a patch, if you read the thread in the ubi forums it pretty much says in no uncertain terms there will be no more patches. Devs are on other projects.... thats what the thread says.
Now it ALSO says (in a plea from the community manager) that if the community makes a strong enough case, with constructive input, UBI MAY be able to be convinced to fund one more patch. But that is a BIG BIG BIG if.
Faamecanic
07-15-10, 07:27 PM
And some of us also thank Neal.
:rotfl2:
\
Tomato...tomato... Neil ....Neal....
YA YA YA... you all know who I meant ;)
And NEXT...... THE LARCH!
http://www.antiquemapsandprints.com/SCANSB/B-0768.jpg
Harmsway!
07-15-10, 08:27 PM
While true that just because a game publisher doesnt release a patch every month doesnt mean there wont be a patch, if you read the thread in the ubi forums it pretty much says in no uncertain terms there will be no more patches. Devs are on other projects.... thats what the thread says.
Now it ALSO says (in a plea from the community manager) that if the community makes a strong enough case, with constructive input, UBI MAY be able to be convinced to fund one more patch. But that is a BIG BIG BIG if.
Yes, I read that moments after I posted. Oh well. I'm still hoping they drop that DRM nonsense.
Let me ask something though. What exactly were we wanting to see from this patch? Are there game crashes or hang ups?
mookiemookie
07-15-10, 08:52 PM
Yes, I read that moments after I posted. Oh well. I'm still hoping they drop that DRM nonsense.
Let me ask something though. What exactly were we wanting to see from this patch? Are there game crashes or hang ups?
See the first post of this thread (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=172155) for issues that need fixing.
Sailor Steve
07-15-10, 11:43 PM
Well, so much for Sorlim!:salute:
Did you miss the part where he said (on the 9th) that he would be out until "toward the end of next week" (which by the way is anywhere from tomorrow through the next few days)?
Wow, so much love over here, I should be thinking about proposing that subsim be the official community place for SH games. ;)
Well, I'm back and I see you've been extremely productive. That list looks pretty solid and quite complete from what I've been reading these past couple of weeks.
So now I'll have to match the items on the list with the mods that fix the issues and see how they can be bundled into like a Community Patch.
TDK1044
07-16-10, 07:11 AM
You'll find, sorlim, that the vast majority of people over here are "good people". A lot of good, talented people who really care about sub sims, and one or two whose egg slipped off the toast many years ago. :)
Takeda Shingen
07-16-10, 03:30 PM
You'll find, sorlim, that the vast majority of people over here are "good people". A lot of good, talented people who really care about sub sims, and one or two whose egg slipped off the toast many years ago. :)
x2 :up:
Jimbuna
07-16-10, 04:21 PM
and one or two whose egg slipped off the toast many years ago. :)
:har:
@ Sorlim : Just wanted to say welcome Sir. :)
And basically thanks for being there.Your presence will certainly bring us some informations regarding what can be expected from Ubi currently. http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a75/Panzer_Kamerad/smileys/3.gif
Sailor Steve
07-16-10, 06:41 PM
But do they like you?
Oh, snap!
Madox58
07-16-10, 07:36 PM
and one or two whose egg slipped off the toast many years ago. :)
HEY!!
:o
I resemble that remark!!
:doh:
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