View Full Version : Which silent hunter series was released in baddest state?
oscar19681
06-18-10, 09:45 AM
Which one was most bugged out of the box?
Sharkbait24
06-18-10, 09:49 AM
SH5 is barely playable for me.
Faamecanic
06-18-10, 09:56 AM
SH5 by far is in the worst state.
It seems UBI was determined to see how incomplete of a game they could release before NO ONE bought it. Each release of the SH series has progressively been worse and worse.
John Channing
06-18-10, 10:29 AM
Could someone... anyone, please tell me what, in the name of God, is the point of this thread?
Seriously, what could possibly come out of this that has not already been re-hashed about a million times over?
JCC
Could someone... anyone, please tell me what, in the name of God, is the point of this thread?
Seriously, what could possibly come out of this that has not already been re-hashed about a million times over?
JCC
Maybe to make fun of the bad grammer in the title thread? :D
Just Kiddin.
Takeda Shingen
06-18-10, 10:47 AM
Really. The horse has been reduced to a pile of bones.
Ducimus
06-18-10, 10:57 AM
This is a thread of self pity.
Sailor Steve
06-18-10, 11:02 AM
Which silent hunter had the most issues out of the box?
SH2, definitely. As soon as I opened it the game started complaining about everything.
"I was stuck in that box for weeks! Couldn't see a thing! couldn't breathe! Nothing to eat! The people who packed me were cretins! Dirty hands, didn't tape up the envelope properly! And the manufacturing press? Don't even get me started!"
Talk about issues! Every time I open the drawer it's still going on, after eight years!
Sheesh!
Ducimus
06-18-10, 11:20 AM
I never tried Sh2, but between SH3 and SH5, id have to say SH4 was worse at release. I'm also guessing half the people here never tried it, so they wouldn't know any better. Again, this is all self pity. BOO hoo, my next messiah in subsim gaming isn't living up to my expectations.. whatever shall i do? Woe is me!
SH5 is barely playable for me.
Sorry but you're doing something wrong then. I'm still using 1.0 and it's very much playable.
Could someone... anyone, please tell me what, in the name of God, is the point of this thread?
Seriously, what could possibly come out of this that has not already been re-hashed about a million times over?
JCC
It's one of those "look at me, I don't like this game, I knew it would probably suck but I got it anyways and now I'm angry! WHO's WITH ME!?"
I know I know, I could've quoted all in one post, but hey it's Friday so shut it. :DL
I never tried Sh2...
There's one thing I very much enjoyed in SH2 and that was sailing in rough weather. The boat was really riding the waves uuuuupppp and then fall back down, not this sub on rails stuff we have now. That was awesome! :rock: Would record a clip off it but it doesn't work that well on newer machine.
VonHesse
06-18-10, 11:40 AM
Really. The horse has been reduced to a pile of bones.
But it might be a zombie horse...
Best to just keep kicking it, for safety's sake. :yep:
:rotfl2:
mookiemookie
06-18-10, 12:27 PM
Really. The horse has been reduced to a pile of bones.
This horse has been beaten so much that it's been reduced to its component atoms.
Moeceefus
06-18-10, 02:08 PM
i still cant play any of them without heavy modding, so lets say they all suck :D
Sailor Steve
06-18-10, 02:23 PM
My vote really does go to SH2, for the simple reason that patches and mods turned it into a very fun game, especially multiplayer, but nothing will ever fix the fact that it is nothing more than a series of missions which never change, and there is no real campaign at all.
There is hope for SH5, but SH2 was, is and forever will remain the absolute dog of the series.
tonschk
06-18-10, 02:25 PM
The horse has been reduced to a pile of bones.
If somebody think a woman is ugly, fatty and disgusting, do not make sense to waste his time going to her hause just to tell her that she is ugly fatty and disgusting ,because is better to go to the hause of a nice and pretty woman ,If somebody is enough idiot and stupid to waste his time going to the hause of the ugly fatty and disgusting woman just to tell her : she is ugly fatty and disgusting obviously is because have a second hidden intentions
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Nisgeis
06-18-10, 02:29 PM
I'd like to know what people think are the top five games in the Silent Hunter series so far, in no particular order.
Ducimus
06-18-10, 03:38 PM
I'd like to know what people think are the top five games in the Silent Hunter series so far, in no particular order.
This is just a guess:
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
:haha:
Could someone... anyone, please tell me what, in the name of God, is the point of this thread?
Seriously, what could possibly come out of this that has not already been re-hashed about a million times over?
JCC
Really. The horse has been reduced to a pile of bones.
It's one of those "look at me, I don't like this game, I knew it would probably suck but I got it anyways and now I'm angry! WHO's WITH ME!?"
I'm in the same state of mind.
Really, it tells more about them than about the game.
Which one was most bugged out of the box?
Isn't this a rhetorical question? You would better ask: How much more disappointing than SHIV was SHV?
Nisgeis
06-18-10, 03:59 PM
You see, I can't vote in this poll, as I never played Silent Hunter 1, so I am not qualified to answer this most serious of polls. I have also not conducted code reviews of even those games of the series from SH2 - SH5, so I am unable to even comment on the number of bugs in each game. Also, on a purely quantive versus qualitive view, does more bugs equal less quality? I don't think it does - a light bulb simulation that has a light bulb and an on/off switch could have one bug, but that's different to a complicated game, where the more things that are modelled, the more bugs there could be.
Still, the average subsim user knows this and wouldn't be pulled into voting in a poll, for which they were not qualified to judge. I am heartened that in less than six hours, no less than 30 people have performed code reviews on all five of the series, which they owned and have managed to vote. But what does this poll of nothing more than number of bugs tell us? That SH5 is the most advanced of the series? SH2 didn't have a bugged dynamic campiagn after all... but is that because of good luck, good judgement, good testing, or omission? Is less bugs the new yardstick for advancement?
You see, I can't vote in this poll, as I never played Silent Hunter 1, so I am not qualified to answer this most serious of polls. I have also not conducted code reviews of even those games of the series from SH2 - SH5, so I am unable to even comment on the number of bugs in each game. Also, on a purely quantive versus qualitive view, does more bugs equal less quality? I don't think it does - a light bulb simulation that has a light bulb and an on/off switch could have one bug, but that's different to a complicated game, where the more things that are modelled, the more bugs there could be.
Still, the average subsim user knows this and wouldn't be pulled into voting in a poll, for which they were not qualified to judge. I am heartened that in less than six hours, no less than 30 people have performed code reviews on all five of the series, which they owned and have managed to vote. But what does this poll of nothing more than number of bugs tell us? That SH5 is the most advanced of the series? SH2 didn't have a bugged dynamic campiagn after all... but is that because of good luck, good judgement, good testing, or omission? Is less bugs the new yardstick for advancement?
As usual, very good points Nisgeis. :up:
But apparently, after more than 100 days after the release, some folks still need to vent...
Nisgeis
06-18-10, 04:20 PM
Isn't this a rhetorical question?
No, it's not. Rhetorical questions don't require an answer, whereas this poll is a scientific poll asking all those who are fully qualified to know, having examined all of the code of the SH series games, which was the most bugged.
You would better ask: How much more disappointing than SHIV was SHV?
Hey! Get your own poll and stop trying to hijack this one. But your question is completely pointless as it is not at all quantitive or qualitive. For example, if you had a poll that asked 'How much more disappointing than SHIV was SHV?' then I would answer not at all, as your question was biassed and badly worded and was not trying to gauge the reception of SH5 turthfully. I could have had such a low expectation for SH5, after having received SH4 that I was expecting a box that went bing and did not CTD as the ultimate subsim after SH4. But your poll question would not catch this point of view. Such a shame, as your poll question would not have captured why the respondents had given that answer and would not really be of any benefit to anyone at all. Would 'not at all' have been one of your poll options?
Now, on with the expert code analyst views for the current poll.
Seeadler
06-18-10, 05:03 PM
Issues in form of bugs - I vote for SH2 ...unforgetable Janus-Errors!!! :D
Issues in form of never getting the right feeling of playing a WWII subsim, with the main focus on simulation - I vote for SH5!
Sailor Steve
06-18-10, 05:22 PM
But what does this poll of nothing more than number of bugs tell us?
As JC and Tak both said, it tells us nothing that hasn't been said many times before. So I'll tell you something that those of us who have played them all for many many hours (well, except for SH5, but I think my answer is different than you might expect in that category).
The best game out of the box was SH1, no question. It had a dynamic campaign equal to AOD's and practically no bugs at all. You can talk about how dated it is, but that is true only if graphics are what you play the game for (and I fall somewhat into that category, preferring SH4 even though it is somewhat less complete, especially out of the box).
SH2 didn't have a bugged dynamic campiagn after all... but is that because of good luck, good judgement, good testing, or omission? Is less bugs the new yardstick for advancement?
SH2 didn't have a dynamic campaign at all. As I said earlier, that in itself is the biggest bug of all. All the luck, testing and judgement could never erase that flaw. If you died in the third mission, you started over at the beginning or you started over there. Same campaign, same kaleun, same mission. And that was adjusted somewhat by some redesigned campaigns, but the basic flaw was still there.
And SH3 was almost the same, except they got so much flak when they announced it that they ended up delaying the game six months to correct that. It ended up having problems, but most of them have been corrected. Not all, but most.
The biggest complaint about SH4 was that it kept SH3's bugs and added a few more of its own.
And now SH5 seems to have a lot of those same bugs. The naysayers are right on that account - those things should have been fixed by now.
That SH5 is the most advanced of the series?
Graphically, yes. Walking around the boat? Yes. But with half the campaign and only one boat to do it in. Is that an advancement? Is it really a bug? As you say, I'm not qualified to judge it because I haven't played it. But the flaws have been exposed by others, so I'm in a position to at least judge whether I'll buy it when they finally let me.
And I will. The bugs and flaws didn't keep my from liking the others, and I'm sure I'll like this one just as much. I won't condemn it out of hand like some do, but I also won't praise it blindly like some others.
So, out of the box:
1. SH1
2. SH3
3. SH4
4. SH2
5. Can't possibly rate SH5 of course, but someday I will.
Modded:
1. SH3
2. SH4 (but limited by lack of mods)
3. SH1
4. SH2
5. Again can't rate SH5, but it has a long way to go and I fully expect it to end up at #1.
@ tonschk: Your 'woman' analogy strikes me as odd. It seems to me that you like being seen with the pretty woman and talking about how beautiful she is, but you avoid the fact that she is very limited in both intelligence and conversation. It looks to me like you're overwhelmed by beauty and nothing else matters. Maybe you don't have anything else to talk about either?
BADDEST not real word Tarzan. Even Gorilla know word you look for is worst. Bad, worse, worst. Might seem like a confusing way to run a language, but English is an amalgam of many languages which has evolved over centuries whose grammatical rules have only (relatively) recently been codified. Somewhere in that process of evolution badder and baddest missed the boat.
Sailor Steve
06-18-10, 08:19 PM
I'm sure he knows that. Sometimes us gots to have our slangs. :D
scratch81
06-18-10, 11:13 PM
Used to play sh2 vs destroyer command against my old boss. I can honestly say i don't recall much of it though. as far as release issues, i can say i had numerous issues with the starfarce anti piracy crap with sh3, and the game itself (unpatched unmodded) wasn't very fun. Didn't come into sh5 till after 1.2, so i really can't attest to its level of fail at release, but at 1.2 its playable (though far from challenging) Mods make it much much better, and it will only improve from there.
krashkart
06-19-10, 12:05 AM
Worst out of the box I've played was Airport Tycoon 3... dang! Wrong website, sorry. :oops:
nikimcbee
06-19-10, 12:15 AM
All but 1 and 3:o. I don't have 5. I hated the campaign in 2 and the drama to get it to market, plus the killer ai. And 4, where to start:shifty:. Atleast four is fun with the mods, I never really went back to 2.
JScones
06-19-10, 01:39 AM
If somebody think a woman is ugly, fatty and disgusting, do not make sense to waste his time going to her hause just to tell her that she is ugly fatty and disgusting ,because is better to go to the hause of a nice and pretty woman ,If somebody is enough idiot and stupid to waste his time going to the hause of the ugly fatty and disgusting woman just to tell her : she is ugly fatty and disgusting obviously is because have a second hidden intentions
OoooKkkkaayyy. There certainly seems to be a theme forming with your posts. :hmmm:
NEWSFLASH: All that glitters is not gold. ;)
This is just a guess:
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
:haha:
I disagree. You need to swap #3 and #4 around. :D
Actually, I think the answer would more likely be:
SH3/GWX
SH3/GWX
SH3/GWX
SH3/GWX
SH3/GWX
Worst out of the box I've played was Airport Tycoon 3... dang! Wrong website, sorry. :oops:
Dang, you had to remind me of that...erm...classic.
Anyway, I didn't vote as I haven't played SH5. Although I still think I'd choose SH2 as the baddest (wtf word is that?). Scripted missions really killed it for me.
Of course, this is a very unfair thread as all those who love SH5 (and thus can defend it) are too busy playing it to be here posting (or so they keep coming here to post :doh:).
krashkart
06-19-10, 01:53 AM
Dang, you had to remind me of that...erm...classic.
I found that it gathers dust quite nicely. :yeah: Please accept my apologies. :D
AOTD_MadMax
06-19-10, 04:43 AM
SH5 is the worst case.
It unites the bugs from SH3 and SH4 into a new game with many new bugs.:down:
I stopped modding and playing SH5.
Regards
Maddy
kiwi_2005
06-19-10, 05:16 AM
SH5 is barely playable for me.
I think with SH5 it all depends on your internet connection, i couldn't play it for more than 20 min before it would kicked me out, then about a week after 5 came out my main pc died and i kinda just curled up in a ball and cried. :wah: So i reverted back to SH4 and now usng an older pc that can play SH4 well but would die also if i tried to lplay Sh5 with it.
Some have no problems at all with the game. :damn: So i put it down to my sh*tty connection cause the main pc could handle it by far
SH2 was buggy, I remember playing the mod Aces of the Pacific for months on end and another mod where it was close to a dynamic campaign as it could get - ''Aces Random Campaign 2.0''. What Dowly said also the waves motion in SH2 were the best yet
Issues in form of bugs - I vote for SH2 ...unforgetable Janus-Errors!!! :D
Issues in form of never getting the right feeling of playing a WWII subsim, with the main focus on simulation - I vote for SH5!
Haha! SH2 had them bugs. :haha: And if you look at it now, can't even install it. :O: (Installer froze)
Ducimus
06-19-10, 01:14 PM
SH5 is the worst case.
It unites the bugs from SH3 and SH4 into a new game with many new bugs.:down:
I stopped modding and playing SH5.
Regards
Maddy
:hmmm: I have a hard time arguing against that, cause i know it's true. Overall bugathon, yup, defiantly SH5.
But at worse state of release? I still say SH4. SH5 wasn't limited to some low screen resolution like SH4 was, and SH5 didn't come with a "boss key" that put you to the desktop at the press of a button like SH4 did either.
Remember how most would screamed about star-force and SH3? It was way beyound the DRM issues because it actualy disabled some peoples CD drives. Not to mention how NOT finished the game was... hmm rinse and repeat.
Me thinks people are just using it to vent on SH5, as its the most recent in memory.
Who actually properly wieghed it up against the earlier games?
Hell, did all the SH5 voters actaully play all the previous games?
I doubt it.
Worthless poll. :down:
Nisgeis
06-20-10, 08:27 AM
Remember how most would screamed about star-force and SH3? It was way beyound the DRM issues because it actualy disabled some peoples CD drives.
Yep and also it had the insta CTD crew management button and the corrupted saves.
Sailor Steve
06-20-10, 08:30 AM
Yep and also it had the insta CTD crew management button and the corrupted saves.
And still does. I've gotten so used to ignoring that button I don't even notice it's there. I've never had a save problem, but that could be because I've never played it long enough. :sunny:
Moeceefus
06-20-10, 12:00 PM
how do they delay a game like ruse to improve on it, yet rush sh5 out the door? that is upsetting. live action stratego gets more time in development for some strange reason.
nikimcbee
06-20-10, 12:09 PM
The big killer for me on sh2 was the all-knowing AI:shifty: I only had played for about 20 min, when I realized something was fishy with the game.
For sh4, I think they spent too much time putting easter eggs in the game.:doh:
Atleast sh3 was good out of the box.
This pole is a no-brainer. SH5 is definitely the one that was released 'in baddest state'. You just have to read the threads.
I don't remember ever reading so many complaints and such bad reviews, even thinking back to SH2.
As for SH1, I admit not reading any forums about it, but from my playing experience it's a pretty solid game out of the box.
THE_MASK
06-20-10, 07:24 PM
The one that hasnt been made yet .
robbo180265
06-21-10, 01:47 AM
Silent Hunter 6
It's completely unplayable and the manual is non-existent!
Jimbuna
06-21-10, 06:55 AM
Silent Hunter 6
It's completely unplayable and the manual is non-existent!
I take it SH7 hasn't arrived in the shops down south yet then :hmmm:
krashkart
06-21-10, 07:03 AM
I take it SH7 hasn't arrived in the shops down south yet then :hmmm:
Britain is behind the curve. We already have SH9 here. :O:
Nisgeis
06-21-10, 07:51 AM
I take it SH7 hasn't arrived in the shops down south yet then :hmmm:
That's your left shoe and you're holding it upside down!
That's your left shoe and you're holding it upside down!That's right! Now get smart and use the right shoe!;)
mookiemookie
06-21-10, 09:44 AM
That's right! Now get smart and use the right shoe!;)
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/cosmicRambler/Misc/DasBoot.jpg
McHibbins
06-21-10, 10:01 AM
Voted for SH5, which is wrong, sry. :oops: SH2 was much more worse.
robbo180265
06-21-10, 01:22 PM
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/cosmicRambler/Misc/DasBoot.jpg
Oh God ! Coffee all over the monitor again !!! :har:
the_tyrant
06-23-10, 11:19 AM
how do they delay a game like ruse to improve on it, yet rush sh5 out the door? that is upsetting. live action stratego gets more time in development for some strange reason.
more fans=more complaints=more bad publicity
That is probably why I have never seen a tom clancy game in bad shape before.
Maybe if Silent Hunter 6 became Tom Clancy's Silent Hunter 6 The Hunt for Red October it would be in better shape
commandosolo2009
06-27-10, 07:47 AM
V.
Unanimous vote... Hands down.. no think about it question.. battered and bruised, we should file a suit vs ubi for the money.. but this community did (and are doing) their best for bringing it home...:salute:
John Channing
06-27-10, 08:01 AM
Ummmmm... nowhere near unanimous nor is it hands down.
Unless you know what a "Janus error" is, you probably shouldn't presume to speak on behalf of the entire world.
JCC
Ummmmm... nowhere near unanimous nor is it hands down.
Unless you know what a "Janus error" is, you probably shouldn't presume to speak on behalf of the entire world.
JCCI had SH2, atleast i could play it (used to laugh on LAN multiplay when the ships wouldn't sink, just kept bobbing up and down), I can't play SH5 at all,:cry: to me SH5 is the worst hands down!:oops::damn:
Ummmmm... nowhere near unanimous nor is it hands down.
The vote hasn't been unanimous? I guess I need to get my eyes checked.
I had SH2, atleast i could play it (used to laugh on LAN multiplay when the ships wouldn't sink, just kept bobbing up and down), I can't play SH5 at all,:cry: to me SH5 is the worst hands down!:oops::damn:
Yup, same here.
John Channing
06-27-10, 10:14 AM
The operative words there being "to me", and thanks for that. It drive me nuts when someone presumes to speak on my behalf.
Aside fom the constant Janus error crashes, people forget that if you were in an encounter with a DD (or several DD's) and you saved your game, the DD's would all go brain dead, lose you and leave. You could surface right in front of one that was previously using it's lazer beam sensors to locate and kill you and, after a save, it would ignore you completely.
I remember trying to sort this out during Projeckt Messerwhatsitsname and I don't think we ever did get it fixed.
As well night attacks on the surface, which are fun in SH5, were impossible in SH2 due to the fact that all of the merchants in a convoy were equipped with several ace level lookouts each. That meant in a convoy of 20 ships you had hundreds of top notch lookouts that could see as well in the dark as they could in the day.
Sh2 (prior to Pacific Aces) sucked.
JCC
John Channing
06-27-10, 10:17 AM
The vote hasn't been unanimous? I guess I need to get my eyes checked.
I guess you do.
69.9% of 103 people (as of now) is not the same as unanimous.
I would bet a number of the people who voted for SH5 probably never even played SH2, especially in multiplayer.
JCC
I guess you do.
69.9% of 103 people (as of now) is not the same as unanimous.
When one game out of five, gets 70% of the vote. That's pretty darn unanimous to me, sorry.
Nisgeis
06-27-10, 10:44 AM
When one game out of five, gets 70% of the vote. That's pretty darn unanimous to me, sorry.
Unanimous means that everyone chooses the same option. Un-amaorous yes, unanimous, no.
Unanimous means that everyone chooses the same option. Un-amaorous yes, unanimous, no.
You guys can post dictionary definitions and hair split all you want, doesn't change the fact that one game out of five got 70% of the votes all to itself. Unanimous? Heck yes.
Nisgeis
06-27-10, 11:05 AM
Unanimous? Heck yes.
Yet still, in a much more real and correct sense, no.
I understand the point you are trying to make, but you communicated it poorly and it caused some confusion which needed clarification. What you meant is right, but what you said is not.
Anyway, all this is extremely subjective.
I did try the game and didn't vote cuz too bored with all those polls (I would have vote for SH4).
And how many members here have voted for a game which they didn't even give a try ? ...:hmmm:
Yet still, in a much more real and correct sense, no.
I understand the point you are trying to make, but you communicated it poorly and it caused some confusion which needed clarification. What you meant is right, but what you said is not.
:haha:... like I said, you can 'literal hair-split' all day long if you want.
Nisgeis
06-27-10, 11:58 AM
:haha:... like I said, you can 'literal hair-split' all day long if you want.
Hey, I'm just trying to help you out, no need to get defensive.
SurfnSea
06-27-10, 12:01 PM
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t246/cosmicRambler/Misc/DasBoot.jpg
Eh...? A frame shot from the movie Das Boot?
Hey, I'm just trying to help you out, no need to get defensive.
:roll: I know an attempt at baiting when I see one... this is the end of our 'discussion'. I'll just let the votes speak for themselves. :lol:
Nisgeis
06-27-10, 12:10 PM
:roll: I know an attempt at baiting when I see one...
If you're implying that my post was one, then no, you don't know one. :haha:. But you're right, let's agree to agree unanimously and leave it at that.
desertstriker
08-14-12, 01:39 AM
i would have to say SH4... buggy as heck and the controls where weird. i pity the guy that bought it off of ebay 1 week after i tried it.
Jimbuna
08-14-12, 06:37 AM
Another necro :hmm2:
Sailor Steve
08-14-12, 09:07 AM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/Old-MummyHead.jpg
finchOU
08-14-12, 08:23 PM
^^^^hahaha^^^^^ seriously!
I just now voted SH2.....it had the unfortunate privilege of being the first Uboat sim I picked up after not playing for about 8 years or so. The sim before it was AOTD. So yeah... I was very disappointed to say the least minus the bugs....but it took the cake for crap out of a computer game box. SH3 at leasssst had the campaign.... I was just amazed at the step backwards (minus graphics) the genre had taken from AOTD. Of course I feel the same way about Cliffs of Dover right now to....Why!!???!!? Just why!!???! haha
This is just a guess:
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
:haha:
I agree on 3 but 5 is slowly catching up. ;) If the SH3 grid map and campaign could be like SH3's is, 5 would be a handsdown winner in my book. Even more so it the Type II and IX Uboats could be added to 5.
But to be honest, SH3 wasn't too dam good out of the box either. Especially with StarForce in it. And just as much modding was done to it to make it what it is now. At least from what I've seen and read, SH3 was much simpler mod than 5 is.
DelphiUniverse
08-17-12, 10:14 PM
I've played sh5 so long now I've forgot how bad/good sh3 really is. But I do recall that sh2 had some serious bugs, annoying bugs that made the entire game unplayable. It might be that Sh3 had more bugs than Sh2, but Sh2 had more serious bugs, So I would say sh2.
But I am also tempted to say sh5. Never played sh4.
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