BP Sucessfull

[SteamWake]

In a recent news feed it appears that at least for the time being the oil leak has been capped.

The 'top kill' was sucessfull.

Obama was on the networks within hours to claim credit :doh:

[STEED]

Obama was on the networks within hours to claim credit :doh:

Well if it was his idea, why did he take so bloody long to come up with it?

[SteamWake]

According to Obama BP is under the fed's direction.

Furthermore its all BP's fault... :88)

[Dowly]

According to Obama BP is under the fed's direction.

Maybe because it affects not just the company but America too?

Furthermore its all BP's fault... :88)

And they shouldn't be at fault, becaaaause..?

[AVGWarhawk]

http://www.theatlanticright.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/propaganda-II.jpg

[XabbaRus]

Maybe because it affects not just the company but America too?



And they shouldn't be at fault, becaaaause..?

WEll the rig was Transocean's and the BOP Halliburton's then they do bear a lot of the blame to. I think this has turned into an opportunity to get BP out of the US market.

[Bilge_Rat]

the bigger problem is more how this affects offshore drilling in the long run.

There was the assumption, probably naive on all our parts, that yes, big Oil companies like BP were gouging us, but at least they knew what they were doing.

Now it seems pretty clear that they are pulling a high wire act without a net. This type of accident is bound to happen more regularly has Oil exploration goes deeper and deeper to find new Oil reserves.

[Skybird]

Too early to make the final call. In 48 hours they say they can tell for sure. The work continues. Cautious optimism is the parole of the moment. It still can go terribly wrong.

[UnderseaLcpl]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o264/charlie143james/M-Corporations_400x400_2_jpg_400x40.jpg

No, really. I do. :yeah: Even when they're British.

I honestly don't know why or how they put up with the **** government and the press keeps giving them, but I'm glad they do.

In other news, I don't understand why this oil spill is such a big deal. Didn't the Germans sink like, 30 tankers in the Gulf during WW2?:-?
Yeah, they were smaller than modern tankers, but combined they certainly spilled more oil than this rig has. And yet, the Gulf is fine. There's so much marine wildlife in the Gulf that people get their jollies bitching about motorboats running over manatees.

The Mississipi dumps billions of gallons of effluent, soil, and agricultural runoff into the Gulf every year, and yet, the Gulf is fine. It's teeming with life. The biggest problems it has aren't with pollutants, but rather with all the dirt that the Mississipi dumps into the delta. Good ol' Mother Nature personally oversaw that one. I guess she's not an activist.:06:

BP is doing everything they can do to fix this mess and they are doing it in a timely and effective fashion. They're certainly doing more than any activists are. In the meantime there were millions of dollars' worth of crushed BP stock for the taking that could be put to good use by people who supposedly mean well. Did the activists utililize it? Hell no! They're too busy bitching about **** they have no control over and have no understanding of.

Some guy who knew what the hell he was talking about once said "The environment is far too important to be left to environmentalists." He was right. Speaking of which....

Maybe because it affects not just the company but America too?

I like you, Dowly, but c'mon man. Do you really think BP hasn't thought of that? They have an army of PR personnel whose only job is to make sure they don't piss people off. BP is a lot more concerned with their image than you are. For instance....

And they shouldn't be at fault, becaaaause..?
They should be at fault, and they know that. Last time I checked BP has spent almost half a billion dollars of its own money trying to contain the spill. The state has spent another $3 billion doing absolutely nothing, apparently. How much have you spent?

[Dowly]

How much have you spent?

None, not my business. ;)

[UnderseaLcpl]

None, not my business. ;)

Precisely.

[SteamWake]

You know it seems to me like BP has been doing an admirable job given the circumstances.

They have poneyd up to a ton of small clams as well as bigger ones. Payed for and helped to run containment and attempts to quell the gusher.

Now hopefully they have managed to stem the flow.

In the meantime all offshore drilling is to come to an immediate halt, throw a four fold tax increase on 'oil' on top of things.

I forsee $8.00 a gallon gas in the near future.

Meanwhile the adminstration will 'keep a boot on the throat' of BP.

[Zachstar]

The "Tax Increase" is for the next time some bozo decides to not play safe with his rig and ruins fishermen's and tourism owner's lives.

What if next time its not BP but a smaller company that cant pay out the ass like BP has done and will do? They go bankrupt and a few people profit and the gov pays the tab afterwards. That BULL**** The tax will try to keep that from happening.

What this has really done tho is put into the spotlight the "Geologic Oil" theory. I used to believe in peak oil until I saw the speculators at play. If we have 500+ years of oil down there and people knew about it. Oil prices would crash overnight...

[CaptainHaplo]

Zachstar - the only problem with that theory is that the tax gets pushed onto the consumer - meaning we the public end up paying for it. Of course - the government is just "insuring" they can pay for it next time right? And when its needed the money will be sitting there waiting - just like it is from road and gas taxes, social security, etc... oh wait a minute....

This is just another excuse to raise government revenue without a care in the world for what it does to the guy on the street.

[nikimcbee]

In a recent news feed it appears that at least for the time being the oil leak has been capped.

The 'top kill' was sucessfull.

Obama was on the networks within hours to claim credit :doh:

:har:

In a White House news briefing, (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-gulf-oil-spill) Obama called the five-week-old BP spill an "economic and environmental tragedy" and said he was frustrated and angry over its duration. Every morning when he's finished shaving, he said, one of his daughters quizzes him: "Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?"

-Yes honey, I went out with my swim fins and snorkel and plugged it this morning.

-But Daddy, you were out playing basketball this morning.
-Honey, can you go plug daddy's teleprompter in.


:har:

[Zachstar]

Speculation does FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more to raise prices than the puny tax on oil.

Last year they used us (The left) like suckers to spread the "Peak Oil" theory to get the public scared and let them jack up the prices.

Instead we ought to have looked at the real issue "Peak Refine" People were stockpiling gas at one point during the raise and that push refineries to the limits. Our aging refineries wont last 500+ years but because of the peak oil theory building a new refinery sounds silly and thus they get to keep gas prices higher.

There are lots of ideas now how to build smaller regional refineries even some to generate more of the badly needed diesel fuel so we can start driving more efficiently.

Taxes have zero to do with it.

[CaptainHaplo]

Federal Gas Tax is 18.4 cents a gallon.

The state I live in - NC - has a state tax on gas set at 48.6 cents per gallon.

That means that every gallon of gas I buy, is 67 cents going to someone who hasn't done one thing to actually make the product available. Just so you know - that basically is right near 25% of the cost of a gallon of gas where I live.

25% - and nothing to show for it. And somehow a quadrupling of the federal tax is supposed to make me feel better?

Do you honestly not think that the companies that produce the oil, refine and ship it - and sell it to the local gas stations, are not going to make sure that extra tax is in the price of their product? Do you really think they are all going to feel so bad that they are going to let a 52.6 cent per gallon tax just go against their bottom line?

You HAVE to be kidding me....

[AngusJS]

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o264/charlie143james/M-Corporations_400x400_2_jpg_400x40.jpg

No, really. I do. :yeah: Even when they're British.

They **** up royally and then finally (hopefully) fix their mistake 37 days later, and for that they should be commended?

I honestly don't know why or how they put up with the **** government and the press keeps giving them, but I'm glad they do.My heart bleeds.

In other news, I don't understand why this oil spill is such a big deal. Didn't the Germans sink like, 30 tankers in the Gulf during WW2?:-?
Yeah, they were smaller than modern tankers, but combined they certainly spilled more oil than this rig has. And yet, the Gulf is fine. There's so much marine wildlife in the Gulf that people get their jollies bitching about motorboats running over manatees.Were all those tankers sunk simultaneously in the same location, less than 40 miles from shore? Were all of them even carrying oil at the time? Did their spills mostly remain on the surface, or did they originate on the ocean floor so that they could affect the entire water column?

[Bubblehead1980]

:har:



-Yes honey, I went out with my swim fins and snorkel and plugged it this morning.

-But Daddy, you were out playing basketball this morning.
-Honey, can you go plug daddy's teleprompter in.


:har:


:har::haha:




Going to be interesting when those girls grow up and see what a fool and really just all around bad peson their father is.Unless they are already so brainwashed that it is too late.:hmmm:

[UnderseaLcpl]

They **** up royally and then finally (hopefully) fix their mistake 37 days later, and for that they should be commended?

Yes. BP has been quite effective and timely in responding to this spill. They did everything they could, and their stock proves it. When was the last time you willingly invested your hard-earned gains in the governmnet?
I feel sorry for you if you did, because you're not likely to make anything off of bonds.

The nice thing is that they don't ask to be commended, unlike some politicians I can think of. They just do business.

My heart bleeds.
Why so cynical? BP is made of people, y'know. People and families who depend upon the production of oil for their livelihoods. Those same people sell you the petroleum products you need at a reasonable price.

Were all those tankers sunk simultaneously in the same location, less than 40 miles from shore? Were all of them even carrying oil at the time? Did their spills mostly remain on the surface, or did they originate on the ocean floor so that they could affect the entire water column?

Many of them were sunk within sight of shore, and they were all sunk within a few months of each other. I don't know whether or not they did more damage than this spill, but what I do know is that the Gulf of Mexico is a huge body of water measuring over 600 quadrillion gallons. It'll be fine, trust me. It doesn't need you to look after it.

The only things that need you to look after the Gulf are political interests who need public approval before they steal your money and give you exactly nothing in trade, aside from a misbegotten warm-fuzzy feeling.

BP and other oil companies care about the Gulf a lot more than you or anyone else does, simply because it is their business. I don't see your eco-crusader ass cleaning up oil residue because you care about the fish or whatever. Where the hell are you, Captain Planet? Are you too busy demanding that other people do things in your stead because someone else told you it was a good idea?

While you're busy sitting on your butt, BP is busy trying to fix their mistake and clean up millions of gallons of seawater, not because anyone forced them to, but because they want to earn your respect and business. I can only imagine how much they must enjoy armchair eco-pundits bashing them for a perfectly understandable mistake.


Speculation does FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more to raise prices than the puny tax on oil.

Speculation also drives much of the exploration and exploitation that puts gas in your car for a reasonable price, eco-hero. Unlike speculation, which creates more gas, the fuel tax is about a quarter per gallon of sheer economic dead-weight.

Last year they used us (The left) like suckers to spread the "Peak Oil" theory to get the public scared and let them jack up the prices.

Did they? If that was true, and you knew it, why aren't you making bank? The Left is a bigger bunch of suckers than you realize. I'd tell you some BS and take your money and votes if I didn't have a conscience. You're lucky that corporations even bother to ask your permission before they take your money, because your beloved state sure as hell doesn't.
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Wow, I am a tactless a-hole today.:-? I am very sorry for all the verbal abuse, Angus and ZS, but it's kind of funny, so I'm gonna go ahead and post it, if that's okay with you guys. If you want a retraction, I'll take this post down. If you want to insult me, I can take as well as I can give.:DL

[Tribesman]

throw a four fold tax increase on 'oil' on top of things.

I forsee $8.00 a gallon gas in the near future.

Thats terrible, you forsee a future where your petrol price will climb to similar rates that others are already used to paying.

That means that every gallon of gas I buy, is 67 cents going to someone who hasn't done one thing to actually make the product available. Just so you know - that basically is right near 25% of the cost of a gallon of gas where I live.

25% - and nothing to show for it.
Would you prefer an increase in income tax sales tax and property tax instead?
Time for a new revolution, forget "no taxation without representation", just rally to the call of "no taxation"

[mako88sb]

They just announced that the "Top kill" method has failed and they are moving on to try different methods. Damn! I was really hoping it would work.

Rob

[AngusJS]

Yes. BP has been quite effective and timely in responding to this spill. They did everything they could, and their stock proves it. When was the last time you willingly invested your hard-earned gains in the governmnet?
I feel sorry for you if you did, because you're not likely to make anything off of bonds. :confused: What does that have to do with anything? Regardless, their stock price does not prove that they've been effective.

Why should they be commended for doing what they're supposed to do, fixing a problem which they themselves created? That's like commending a drunk driver for paying damages after hitting another car. And now it turns out that the top kill didn't work, and the leak is still flowing.


Many of them were sunk within sight of shore, and they were all sunk within a few months of each other. I don't know whether or not they did more damage than this spill, but what I do know is that the Gulf of Mexico is a huge body of water measuring over 600 quadrillion gallons. It'll be fine, trust me. It doesn't need you to look after it.Obviously the spill isn't going to destroy the entire Gulf. I never said it would. But the spill will affect the area where it is located. That's why the tankers are irrelevant, as they weren't all sunk in the same place and in the same month, and their spills occurred on the surface.

The only things that need you to look after the Gulf are political interests who need public approval before they steal your money and give you exactly nothing in trade, aside from a misbegotten warm-fuzzy feeling.:confused:

BP and other oil companies care about the Gulf a lot more than you or anyone else does, simply because it is their business. Where the hell are you, Captain Planet? Are you too busy demanding that other people do things in your stead because someone else told you it was a good idea?

While you're busy sitting on your butt, BP is busy trying to fix their mistake and clean up millions of gallons of seawater, not because anyone forced them to, but because they want to earn your respect and business. I can only imagine how much they must enjoy armchair eco-pundits bashing them for a perfectly understandable mistake.It's their business to make a profit for their shareholders. It's those wacky eco-crusaders who raised the importance of the environment in the public eye to where it could affect a potential polluter's profit margin, so that they would start caring about it. And I don't count myself among their number, but hey, nice ad hominem. Of course, it seems the environment wasn't important enough to BP et al to ensure that they wouldn't use defective parts and improper procedures.

And are you seriously suggesting that I'm hypocritical for questioning your love-fest for BP if I don't quit my job, move 1,000 miles, get the relevant training and take part in the clean up? If so...wow.

[UnderseaLcpl]

:confused: What does that have to do with anything? Regardless, their stock price does not prove that they've been effective. What it proves is that this spill is not holding them back, despite the drop in production and the associated costs. They were ready for this scenario.

Why should they be commended for doing what they're supposed to do, fixing a problem which they themselves created? That's like commending a drunk driver for paying damages after hitting another car. And now it turns out that the top kill didn't work, and the leak is still flowing.
Ture, top-kill didn't work, but BP is still working hard to fix this huge mistake. You are very right about it being their own responsibility, but there are lots of corporations and even state agencies that would try to dodge the same responsibility.

Obviously the spill isn't going to destroy the entire Gulf. I never said it would. But the spill will affect the area where it is located. That's why the tankers are irrelevant, as they weren't all sunk in the same place and in the same month, and their spills occurred on the surface.
I know you didn't say that the spill would destroy the Gulf, but I go off on tangets sometimes. Sorry about that.

Even so, the amount of oil leaking into the Gulf from a sub-surface source is not going to do any permanent damage.

The only things that need you to look after the Gulf are political interests who need public approval before they steal your money and give you exactly nothing in trade, aside from a misbegotten warm-fuzzy feeling.
:confused:

Okay, let me break it down for you. Have you noticed how the Republicans and the Democrats alike are turning this into a big political issue? The Reps, and even some Dems are using it as a way to bash Obama, as if he were personally responsible or in any way culpable, which he isn't. The reason that politicians are making a big stink about all this comes down two exactly two issues: votes and control. Some just want to look like they're on our side. Others want an excuse to regulate big oil, not because they care about what big oil does, necessarily, but because the oil industry is a very lucrative source of revenue for pushing other agendas.


It's their business to make a profit for their shareholders. It's those wacky eco-crusaders who raised the importance of the environment in the public eye to where it could affect a potential polluter's profit margin, so that they would start caring about it.

Very astute, Angus. I've been saying the same thing for some time now, but there's a point at which environmentalism begins to interfere with the very productivity and prosperity that spawned it. Even worse, it tends to become a vehicle for political and legal agendas. It's something of a catch-22, if you will. People who are prosperous enough to worry about the environment get used by politicians who want their monys and votes. People who are too poor to care about the environment tend to ruin it.

And I don't count myself among their number, but hey, nice ad hominem. Of course, it seems the environment wasn't important enough to BP et al to ensure that they wouldn't use defective parts and improper procedures.
Who's using the ad hominem argument now? :03:

BP did everything it could to ensure that the rig would be both functional and safe, but oceanic oil rigs are very complex machines, and there are many of them. One is going to fail sooner or later. You seem to be under the impression that there was some kind of neglect on BP's part, which is not the case. You don't have to believe me, but you might want to consider listening to investors who are much smarter and more involved in BP's operation than either of us are. Those guys are rich enough to invest because they're smart.

And are you seriously suggesting that I'm hypocritical for questioning your love-fest for BP if I don't quit my job, move 1,000 miles, get the relevant training and take part in the clean up?

A little bit, yes. BP is spending their money to clean up the spill because they know they should. It isn't as if they're slacking or anything. Volunteer groups are out there helping. Do you care enough about the Gulf to help them, or would you rather just complain because you got it in your head to decry BP's response because you heard on TV that you should be mad?

I don't know what company you work for, but I'd be willing to bet that they would pay for your time off to let you assist in the cleanup effort, you just need to make it happen. They won't do it because they're magnanimous, they'll do it because it's good PR. Even my own company, the giant immoral railroad monopoly that makes a habit of screwing customers over is helping to fund the cleanup effort while the politicians play the blame game. That's what sets private industry aside from the state.

You've been duped by people whose profession is lying, my friend, an understandable but regrettable circumstance. Politicians and spokespeople may tell a good story with a smile on their face, but dollars don't lie, and dollars say BP, the Gulf, and the Deep-Horizon rig are fine.

[OneToughHerring]

They just announced that the "Top kill" method has failed and they are moving on to try different methods. Damn! I was really hoping it would work.

Rob

How long has this been leaking now? A month? Right now the US doesn't look like the 'strongest nation in the world'. :nope:

[breadcatcher101]

As to the WW2 tankers sunk, yes, the Germans sunk many. Not all were crude oil, some were had been refined already into gasoline, fuel oil, whatever. Many of these flared when hit.

The currents were different as well along the eastern seaboard. In many cases the spill didn't reach shore but along Florida it often did.

I am from Daytona Beach. I am too young to have seen it happen, but my relatives have told me about it. Just south of there a tanker was hit and sank just off the beach. The masts were still above the water. The oil washed in, turning the beach black.

It cleaned up on its own quicker than people thought, I guess because of the hard sand beaches. They told me about everyone collecting the stuff into pails to take home to patch their roofs. I guess they meant the tar. At that time it was not possible to get shingles or a lot of other things because of the war.

All those sinkings were nothing compared to what is going on now, though.

If any of you ever go down that way, stop at Flagler Beach, just north from Daytona. You'll notice a wooden tower there. It was made in '42 for spotters of U-boats. As far as I know they never saw one, but they were there.

[OneToughHerring]

breadcatcher101,

interesting and sort of unreal at the same time. It isn't that long ago, really.

About the spill, here's a graph from BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10159626.stm) that illustrates what the now failed 'top kill' - method was about. Not sure if they will still try the 'junk shot' - part.

[Platapus]

How long has this been leaking now? A month? Right now the US doesn't look like the 'strongest nation in the world'. :nope:


I am sorry, I am just not following what you meant here. What does the problems that an international corporation is having with managing a terrible accident have to do with the United States being, or not being the Strongest....?

[OneToughHerring]

I am sorry, I am just not following what you meant here. What does the problems that an international corporation is having with managing a terrible accident have to do with the United States being, or not being the Strongest....?

Does the BP own the entire Gulf of Mexico and the coastal areas and is thus within it's rights in polluting said area? And is it legal in the US for an owner of an area to pollute it?

See, here in Finland even if you own a piece of land and pollute it, you might be committing a crime. This even if you had the means to clean up any part of said pollution, and in the case of the BP spill some pollution will linger no matter what kind of magic trick they pull off in the end.

So, the US doesn't care if a foreign company goes there and pollutes?

[XabbaRus]

Huh, that makes no sense? Course the US doesn't want anyone polluting.

I don't get what you are making out.

[OneToughHerring]

Platapus was saying that the whole matter doesn't belong to the US and it's wholly BP's issue. I'm saying that the whole thing has ramifications that will effect US territory, maybe other Gulf of Mexico nations as well making the issue more significant then a case of truck spilling potatoes on a road.

In other news, "The Gulf of Mexico oil spill is the worst environmental disaster the US has faced, a senior official has said"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10194335.stm

[krashkart]

I haven't followed this discussion yet, but I'm wondering what's gonna happen if/when that oil starts washing up in the Bahamas (or, God forbid, Cuba). I don't care whose responsibility it is, someone better take the damned wheel and plug that sumbitchn' leak! :stare:

[Catfish]

Well,
apparently BP has not been successful. Seems the sorcerer's apprentice is now waiting for someone who knows how to clean up the mess. :shifty:
I wonder what they try next.
Greetings,
Catfish

[nikimcbee]

Now that obama has taken credit for the capping, and it was all the federal government's ideas. Do we send him a thank-you card?

[Skybird]

Two weeks or three weeks ago the Russians proposed what they claim to have done themselves repeatedly in the past: closing the well by using a nuclear detonation.

[Platapus]

I believe the Russians used a nuclear device to seal up a gas leak. I don't remember the Russians using it for an oil leak.

It is also my understanding that these leaks were on "dry land" where the Russians could drill (to several Kilometers deep) with great accuracy. The Russians also had the benefit of some very accurate geological studies showing them the composition of the different layers of rock.

I don't know if that would work well in the gulf

1 . Trying to drill holes that accurate at 5,000 ft might prove difficult.

2. Do we have the accuracy of the geological studies of the area to ensure that we would know where and how deep to place the nuclear device? Do some wrong figurin' and you might end up with a crater.

The fallout would not be too much of a problem, although I think conventional explosives might be a better choice.

It really comes down to how much do we know about strata and can we put the explosives at the right location?

[breadcatcher101]

What about waves hitting the coast should they elect to nuke the site? Looks to me like something like that would cause quite a wave.

[Platapus]

should not be much as the blast will be several kilometers below the surface and there has to be a solid strata above it.

Done incorrectly though and it would be good by New Orleans. I am assuming there would be a downside with New Orleans being destroyed.

[nikimcbee]

With our luck, it would just make the whole bigger.

[Oberon]

I think the biggest fallout from a nuke cap would be the public reaction! :03:

[Platapus]

With our luck, it would just make the whole bigger.

A very real possibility. :yep:

[Platapus]

I think the biggest fallout from a nuke cap would be the public reaction! :03:

Which is why conventional explosives would be better. Too bad we have not gotten Isomer explosives to work they might do the job.

[raymond6751]

In a recent news feed it appears that at least for the time being the oil leak has been capped.

The 'top kill' was sucessfull.

Obama was on the networks within hours to claim credit :doh:

My news info:
BP will try new oil cap after 'top kill' fails (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/05/30/bp-oil-slick.html) Comments84 (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/05/30/bp-oil-slick.html#socialcomments)|Recommend37 BP is working on a new plan to stop oil that's gushing from a damaged well into the Gulf of Mexico after crews spent three days pumping heavy drilling mud into the site, only to declare the operation a failure. (http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/05/30/bp-oil-slick.html)

[Turbografx]

Way to jump the gun with this thread...

[STEED]

Obama was on the networks within hours to claim credit :doh:

Looks like he made a pigs ear of that one. Is he going to take the credit that it failed? :hmmm:

[papa_smurf]

Well, things are only going to get worse with the beginning of Hurricane season..

[Platapus]

Obama was on the networks within hours to claim credit :doh:

got a citation for this? I have not been able to locate this claiming of credit

[mookiemookie]

BP, a company with a terrible environmental record, and a company that cut corners on safety causing this entire mess that's turned into the largest oil spill in history, killing huge numbers of wild life and destroying the livelihoods of people who rely on the gulf...this company deserves to be commended? You're sick. I think they should be booted out of the country.

[OneToughHerring]

BP is partly American.

[krashkart]

News ticker on TV this morning said that it could be as late as August before any headway is made on capping the damn thing. What was the estimate, around 2 million gallons of oil leaking out per day? That'll be around 180 million gallons by then, on top of what's already floating around out there. :doh:


I think they should be booted out of the country.

Wouldn't do any good. They'd pollute someone else's shores. Hell, on the other hand, exile them to the Persian Gulf. Let 'em stink up Iran's shores for a few years and give those bastards a real reason to hate Western culture.


If anything, at least the industry will learn from this experience how to cap a blown pipe in deep waters. It's obvious that they had no contigency plan to cover "what if the blowout preventer fails?". Who would have suspected that it would happen? :-?

[Dowly]

Owie (Taken on 19th of May)
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee274/Finnish_Ferret/bp-oil-spill-satellite-may-17-arm-p.jpg

[krashkart]

^^ That's just what is visible on the surface. Apparently there is a very large volume lurking in the depths, as well. :yep:

[Dowly]

And it's much bigger now, saw another picture of it on Friday I think but couldn't find it now that I searched for it.

[krashkart]

:cry: