Visual damage

[McHibbins]

Is it possible somehow to add visual damage to Iambecomelifes ships coming with OMEGU ?
Which files are responsible for that ?:hmmm:

[lurker_hlb3]

Is it possible somehow to add visual damage to Iambecomelifes ships coming with OMEGU ?
Which files are responsible for that ?:hmmm:

It is not possible

[McHibbins]

Hm......

[ivank]

why..

[iambecomelife]

They are SH3 conversions that do not have the "damaged ship" interior textures that were first introduced in SH4.

Technically it is possible, but I honestly could never do conversions for all 45-50 of my current models in a reasonable timeframe.

[Madox58]

One of the Tools I'm working on will allow you to select a damage model
from a generic list and place it in a converted dat.

So say you build an internal damage model for one ship.
Several ships could use this model right?
(they don't need to fit perfectly)
On conversion, you select the Damage model you want and it's planted
automagically.

[iambecomelife]

One of the Tools I'm working on will allow you to select a damage model
from a generic list and place it in a converted dat.

So say you build an internal damage model for one ship.
Several ships could use this model right?
(they don't need to fit perfectly)
On conversion, you select the Damage model you want and it's planted
automagically.

Very interesting - let me know when it's done!

[G7eT2]

Hello

First a MASSIVE thank you to all the modders who make these games so addictive. :salute:

If implementing SH4 style internal damage visuals is too big a job would it be possible to use something like the 'Torpedo damage final version 2.0' mod for SH3 by Ocean Blue ?
Would it be possible to make the mod apply to the new ships and ignore the stock ships ?

It would not be as pretty as full 3D style damage but better than nothing. It is good to be able to see where your torpedoes have hit.

[McHibbins]

Hello

First a MASSIVE thank you to all the modders who make these games so addictive. :salute:

If implementing SH4 style internal damage visuals is too big a job would it be possible to use something like the 'Torpedo damage final version 2.0' mod for SH3 by Ocean Blue ?
Would it be possible to make the mod apply to the new ships and ignore the stock ships ?

It would not be as pretty as full 3D style damage but better than nothing. It is good to be able to see where your torpedoes have hit.

Good idea but tons of work. Privateer is on it I think

[onelifecrisis]

I have questions!

I gather OMEGU adds new ships without visual damage modeling...

Does OM (without OMEGU) add new ships?

If so, do they have correct damage modeling?

Also, privateer, don't take this wrong mate but are you being helpful or taunting an old rival? I'm unfamiliar with the history of SH4 modder wars, sorry, but is there any chance you might share this tool of yours with lurker? Assuming he's interested...

[sergei]

OM adds loads of new ships, most of them conversions of IABL's Merchant Fleet Mod. They look real pretty. :)

They have correct damage modeling, in that they take damage and sink correctly (using OM's slower sinking model).
But visually no. Hit it with a torpedo and you won't see a hole in it. The damage is there, but you won't see any visual confirmation of it.

[onelifecrisis]

OM adds loads of new ships, most of them conversions of IABL's Merchant Fleet Mod. They look real pretty. :)

They have correct damage modeling, in that they take damage and sink correctly (using OM's slower sinking model).
But visually no. Hit it with a torpedo and you won't see a hole in it. The damage is there, but you won't see any visual confirmation of it.

Thanks sergei. WRT the visuals...
Aside from the hole (which I likely wouldn't see anyway, as I don't use external camera) does everything else still work (explosions, ships breaking apart, debris)?

[McHibbins]

It does, mostly perfect:up:

[Madox58]

I have questions!

Also, privateer, don't take this wrong mate but are you being helpful or taunting an old rival? I'm unfamiliar with the history of SH4 modder wars, sorry, but is there any chance you might share this tool of yours with lurker? Assuming he's interested...


Not taunting mate.
As soon as the tool is completed it will be available for everyone.
It will only plant the 3D damage models in the dats.
All the uv mapping and such will still need to be done as normal.

[onelifecrisis]

Great stuff! :rock:

[Madox58]

Hello

if implementing SH4 style internal damage visuals is too big a job would it be possible to use something like the 'Torpedo damage final version 2.0' mod for SH3 by Ocean Blue ?
Would it be possible to make the mod apply to the new ships and ignore the stock ships ?

It would not be as pretty as full 3D style damage but better than nothing. It is good to be able to see where your torpedoes have hit.

Visual damages don't work the same in SH4 as they did in SH3.
So 'No' that won't work.
I've seen 'twinkles' but no damage effect whatsoever unless a proper conversion is done.

What is a proper conversion?
Any Unit needs the AO stuff Baked and imported.
It also needs the 3D damage model inside the Hull.
I'm working on a program to make planting the Damage 3D model easy.
But AO bakeing and importing still would need done.

[G7eT2]

OK

Thank you for the reply.

[McHibbins]

Ok maybe it´s the wrong thread but since there are enough modders in here right now and I didn´t get any response in another thread....

Which files are responsible for the catastrophic explosion ? Seems so they were deactivated in RFB and even for some ships in OM too.

And which files are controling the sinking mechanics ?

Thx in advance

[Madox58]

Ok maybe it´s the wrong thread but since there are enough modders in here right now and I didn´t get any response in another thread....

Which files are responsible for the catastrophic explosion ? Seems so they were deactivated in RFB and even for some ships in OM too.

And which files are controling the sinking mechanics ?

Thx in advance


The .zon file for each Unit has boxes which are controlled by the zone.cfg file.

Open any ship in S3D, then open the .zon for that ship.
Select the Button to Toggle zone editing in the Model Viewer of the open dat file.
You'll see the boxes and spheres then.
Each box is assigned a zone type.
Say it's Type 71

Look in the zones.cfg with notepad.

71=AmmoBunker

Scroll down to:

[AmmoBunker]
Category=Fore Ammo Bunker
Multiplier=5.000000
Flotability=0.000000
Critic Flotation=0.300000
Armor Level=-1
HitPoints=50
Destructible=No
Critical=Yes
Critical Chance=0.05
FloodingTime=59.999996
CargoType=Ammo

here's some info to help explain what this all means.
http://www.mediafire.com/?mngjwmymjy1

[McHibbins]

Thanks privateer, that helps a lot :yeah:

But I can´t find a solution bringing back the catastrophic explosions (the big fireballs) to RFB. They must be also hidden somewhere in the unit.zone files.

If I´m using stock unit.zones, they´re there, but then without the sinking mechanics of course :hmmm: So I have to find out which files need to be tweaked in the .zone for each unit or/and zone.cfg to get that visual effect back.

[Madox58]

Compare the Zones.cfg files.
Look at the Effects settings in each zone type.
It may be there.
Another thing that changes things is if the particles.dat was replaced
or modified.
All the effect called are in the particles.dat,
which then calls stuff from the Materials.dat.
It's a vicious circle!
:haha:

[McHibbins]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1440184&posted=1#post1440184

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looks very very interesting. Someone managed to add damage to iambecomelifes merchants which seemed to be impossible for a long time.
There are only two files from vickers which are responsible for that:hmmm:

[Madox58]

That's a SH3 damage Mod, used in SH3.
SH4 uses a 3D model inside the main Unit.
Once the Unit takes a 'hit',
part of the texture goes clear and you can see inside to the 3D damage model.
The .val needs corrected to SH4 standards,
and the models need mapped to SH4 standards.
Not just a quick 'take from SH3, plant and forget'.