Do stupid mistakes warrant retries?

[treblesum81]

Simple enough question I think, which means there are probably endless points of view, but I'm curious because I find myself making lots of stupid mistakes and then lots of retries. So, if you make a really stupid mistake in the process of conducting an attack, ie forget to update the bearing to target so the fish run wildly in the wrong direction, do you allow yourself to return to a previous save to retry the attack? Or do you just suck it up and move on?

Thanks

[Admiral8Q]

Well, if I make "stupid" mistakes like hitting the wrong key or something I'll usually reload. If I miss with all torpedoes though when it was my own screw up, then I'll suck it up.:03:

[treblesum81]

See I'm caught between those two positions.... forgetting to set the right bearing is something that would never actually happen with all the sets of eyes on the gear, but missing by actually missing is fair game... The problem I keep facing is misses due to issues which wouldn't normally be an issue because I'd have crew backing me up, so I'm not sure if those still warrant a retry.

[Admiral8Q]

See I'm caught between those two positions.... forgetting to set the right bearing is something that would never actually happen with all the sets of eyes on the gear, but missing by actually missing is fair game... The problem I keep facing is misses due to issues which wouldn't normally be an issue because I'd have crew backing me up, so I'm not sure if those still warrant a retry.
I'd say your philosophy is correct in my own opinion.:cool:

[treblesum81]

Ok, I guess its not as mysterious as I originally thought :O:

[Admiral8Q]

Ok, I guess its not as mysterious as I originally thought :O:
Every thought is a mystery. Do what you believe is real in the game and don't feel like you're "cheating". If you want to re-try do it. But don't get to the point where you'll reload every mistake!:salute:

[Armistead]

I just play on..If I screw up, just keep going. If I die, I start over. Some careers I play for fun, but usually 100% no cams, no contacts and no using saves...Really makes you stay on your toes...but very slow play.

[Bubblehead1980]

I tend to just suck it up and chalk it up as a miss.Subs did often miss in rl and sometimes by stupid errors, even greas like O Kane mention dumb errors in his book.

No way is right or wrong, I play 100 realism, no cams or contacts so if i miss or make dumb mistake, i just say oh well and try to get in for another attack later.

The exception is if power goes out or the rare CTD, then the save I made when first made contact is loaded, otherwise i just go on .

[Admiral8Q]

I tend to just suck it up and chalk it up as a miss.Subs did often miss in rl and sometimes by stupid errors, even greas like O Kane mention dumb errors in his book.

No way is right or wrong, I play 100 realism, no cams or contacts so if i miss or make dumb mistake, i just say oh well and try to get in for another attack later.

The exception is if power goes out or the rare CTD, then the save I made when first made contact is loaded, otherwise i just go on .

I play 75 realism. I have map contact updates on, but cam on because I love external cam. I take a lot of pics:O: When I'm playing a battle I tend to forget about cam and do things the real way.

Anyways....
About loading after a mistake, it's a personal choice.:cool:

[magic452]

Depends on the mistake. If I screw up a firing solution I play on.
If it's a hit the wrong key or something like that I might load a save.
There are somethings that happen in a game that would never happen in real life so that is how I play it.

Magic

[Admiral8Q]

Depends on the mistake. If I screw up a firing solution I play on.
If it's a hit the wrong key or something like that I might load a save.
There are somethings that happen in a game that would never happen in real life so that is how I play it.

Magic

Agreed!!! :cool:

[nappy]

ive been playing the game for about 2 weeks now, and i reload.

I reload when my torpedoes which should go 20% to port, instead go 20% to starport (took me a while to realize i had to press the speed button, AoB and distance button TWICE each for the values to be stored correctly AND that the periscope has to be at the correct angle when pressing the buttons)

I reload when torpedoes which should hit the target, goes under the target. (took me a while to realize that ships are loaded differently and not always have the keel at the depth spesified in the recognition manual)

I reloaded many times before i figured out how to properly prioritize and start repairing damage.

I reload whenever i manage to reach a location where a convoy or task force is reported to be at a specified time and for unknown reasons are not. Each time i reload i try different search patterns at, or close to the area to try and locate them. To this date i have managed to reach such a location 4 times, but despite MANY reloads and different search techniques i have not been able to spot any of these juicy targets, not even whem in there several days in advance (imho these radio messages are just for flavour) :(

I reload trying to figure out why i, despite being in 1943, have not been able to buy a single upgrade equipment, or update my boat. I have managed to sink almost 50K tonnage, am at the top of the scoring list yet still am sailing around in my old clunky S-boat with the same equipment i got issued when pearl harbour happened.

I reload for various other reasons when something happends which i dont understand in an effort to try and figure out what caused them.

nappy

[Admiral8Q]

Nappy, an S-boat in 1943 and they still haven't offered a new fleet boat? That's odd. It could be your mod soup...:hmmm:

[nappy]

im using SH IV, version 1.5 with the following mods:
RFB_2.0
RFB_2.0_Patch_23April2010
RSRDC_RFB_V575
RSRDC_V5xx_Patch1

i guess ill have to remove the mods 1 by 1 to try and figure out which one
is causing me trouble.....but before that ill try a few more missions.. just to be sure :cool:


Nappy, an S-boat in 1943 and they still haven't offered a new fleet boat? That's odd. It could be your mod soup...:hmmm:

[Admiral8Q]

i guess ill have to remove the mods 1 by 1 to try and figure out which one
is causing me trouble.....but before that ill try a few more missions.. just to be sure :cool:
Well unless you like your S-boat... :woot:

[raymond6751]

Don't be hard on yourself. In real life you would never be given command of a boat with the knowledge and training that you have. So consider it 'on the job training'.

As you point out, in real life you would have crew well trained to help you with the calculations and settings.

[nappy]

My S boat has performed superbly :)

But this is my first real campaign and i kinda would like to see and try all the different equipment i can get my hands on.. which so far is none :wah:

nappy


Well unless you like your S-boat... :woot:

[Sailor Steve]

I'm normally against ever restarting, but if you are starting out a patrol and are thinking about something else and hit '5', and your sub roars out at flank speed, hits the opposite pier and kills you, I'd say that's well within the bounds of being cheated by the game.

Anything along those lines, sure I'll restart, DiD or no DiD.:sunny:

[magic452]

nappy, to help get a new boat the best thing is to complete as many missions as you can on each patrol, try to get at least 3. Don't do any refits but finish a patrol with what you start out with. After 3 or 4 patrols you should get a new boat.

As far as loading saves goes when I was just starting I loaded a lot of saves.
Almost the only way to learn what you're doing. You don't have anybody to teach you all the things you need so loading saves is the teacher. :know:

Magic

[treblesum81]

So much for being less mysterious...

The point I guess I'm looking at is the fact that there are stupid mistakes that could happen, and there are stupid mistakes that would not happen. If you were in silent running while stopped and waiting to pounce, I'm pretty sure that an all-ahead-flank order without warning (something that happens to me a lot because of view changes) would probably be questioned a little, which is one of the reasons chains of command and repeated orders exist, so that someone in the line can avoid stupid actions (at least I've been told).

I guess the sweet spot for me is I reload if the mistake was something that most likely wouldn't happen like firing torpedos without setting the PK properly, going to flank while I'm trying to sneak away, or accidentally surfacing rather than changing course... Those are fun... But I won't reload if I just get a bad solution or other realistic error.

I guess the most important point is how real I want it to be. I don't have a lot of time to play, so spending 3 hours setting up a shot just to forget to turn the PK off and have the shot miss by a mile is not my definition of fun. As a result, I save often, and have added a mod to make tracking easier. Yeah its not 100% real, but if I spend a lot of time with no kills, I tend to move on to another game for a while.

[Diopos]

I wouldn't be that lenient on the PK thingy ...:hmmm:





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[treblesum81]

Far as I understand it, the captain did not operate the machine to begin with, so my forgetting it doesn't equate to any accidental action that I would be responsible for as captain...

[Mav87th]

In the beginning i think that its in all fairness to "be on the job training" as one so elegantly put it further up the thread. I surely did that during my first couple of "boats" with SH-4.

But i came to the point where i looked over my shoulder to see if any one would catch me in reloading. So i decided to constrain my self and start writing a log. Now my actions are on paper with ink and can not be undone/redone, and i cus my self for every bad mistake and torpedo i miss. But i have twize the fun now. I will even claim that i got a lot better from that point, as im now much much more careful both in approach and fire-solution set-ups etc.

When you reach that point, do not hessitate to change over your style - that is my point of view.

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