[WIP] HMS Hood & Refit

[Karle94]

I thought that I`d announce my next project; the mighty Hood and a hypothetical refit. Career playable. Expect updates as they come.

Here`s a few pictures
1939-1942 configuration:

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/HMSHood.jpg

1943-1945 configuration:
http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/HMSHood_Refit.jpg

She will be compatible with stock 1.5 only.

Here`s the link:
http://www.filefront.com/17458801/HMS_Hood_V1.0.rar

[Sledgehammer427]

interesting idea...Hood with a warspite/KGV bridge :hmmm:

Kinda makes me wonder what they woulda done in real life.

[Lagger123987]

nevermind, just my brower...thought the pics aren't showing. Looking forward to this.

[iowa101]

so looking forward to sailing around with this.

thankyou for taking on the job.

if you would allow me, i can find some decent pics for detail purposes, also a possible texture and the statistics for the ship, armour, displacement and so on

[GerritJ9]

It's not so hypothetical...... had WW2 not broken out in 1939, "Hood" would have undergone an extensive refit which would have improved her protection, installed more modern machinery and replaced her secondary armament with eight twin 5.25" DP turrets as fitted to the KGVs. The result would probably have been similar in appearance to "Renown" but with eight 15" guns of course. In December 1938 it was proposed to start work after the extensive refit of "Queen Elizabeth" was completed, but after the outbreak of war in September 1939 "Hood" simply could not be spared for the considerable time such a refit would have required (ditto for "Repulse").
See "British Battleships of World War 2" by Alan Raven and John Roberts, pages 195-197 for further details.

[iowa101]

Proposed Modifications
What follows is a list of the proposed work:

New internal machinery. Nearly everything would have been upgraded, especially engines/propulsion.
Rearranged/remodelled torpedo bulges and side armour. Bulge would have extended to the top of the 7" armour belt rather than to the top of the 12" belt)
Improved deck armour/protection over vital areas
Removal of spotting top and the 5" side armour
New superstructure and masts fore and aft. Most notably, the forward superstructure would have been a "block" type similar to that of Renown, the Queen Elizabeths or the King George Vs (KGV).
New funnels. These would have been something similar to those on Renown as KGV funnels would have been too small.
Addition of a catapult, hangars and Walrus seaplanes. (See "Some Considerations" below)
Improved antiaircraft (AAA) protection. This would include: The addition of 3 pom poms (for a total of 6), removal of all UPs and 4" HA/LA guns and lastly, the addition of either 16 x 4.5" (like Renown) or 5.25" guns (like KGV) (See "Some Considerations" below)
Upgraded fire control. She would have received updated radar, fire control tables, comms, directors, etc.
Extended forecastle deck. Hood's stern was notoriously wet due to her overweight condition. An extension was considered for the simple fact that it might help keep the quarterdeck a bit drier. The extension would retain the rough "V" shape but would instead, extend to "X" turret. (See "Some Considerations" below).

Some Considerations

We feel that due to certain circumstances, of the above list, a few items would likely have been changed or possibly not implemented:
Catapult/aircraft gear–. By 1944/1945, the Royal Navy had reexamined the need for aircraft aboard battleships and battle cruisers. Due to key considerations, not the least of which was the improvement in aerial surveillance radar, it was decided to remove such equipment. Therefore, Hood, under construction during this period. would likely have had changes made. It is possible that if aircraft were not used, the space they would have occupied would have gone to boats or possibly increased 40mm antiaircraft batteries.
4.5" or 5.25" Secondary Battery–. Though the 5.25" would have been preferred, there were availability issues with the guns. Instead, the widely available 4.5" guns would have been a more likely choice to install aboard Hood.. It was also a more standard sized round (Queen Elizabeth, Renown, carriers, etc.).
Extended Forecastle deck–. This would only have been done if other modifications did not result in a significant reduction in displacement/increase in freeboard. If Hood sat higher in the water, there would have been no need for the extension.
Location of shell rooms and magazines–. This, Hood's "Achilles heel," would not have been fixed. The powder magazines would still have been situated dangerously over the shell rooms.

this is the info of the would have been refit, this information comes from the HMS HOOD ASSOCIATION, a good source of information.
along with a crew list, dimensions and also specifications on weapons and protection......
and some art that can be used for loading screens if you wished.

i also have a link to a 3d rendering of the hood at the day of the sinking so you can add some minor details you would miss from models.

http://www.hmshood.com/photos/hoodphotos3.htm

please use this information in your mod as if will indefinitely help to increase it's potential and also it's desirability among those captains of the sea
who would love the chance to command such a sea worthy vessel.

[Karle94]

Proposed Modifications
What follows is a list of the proposed work:

New internal machinery. Nearly everything would have been upgraded, especially engines/propulsion.
Rearranged/remodelled torpedo bulges and side armour. Bulge would have extended to the top of the 7" armour belt rather than to the top of the 12" belt)
Improved deck armour/protection over vital areas
Removal of spotting top and the 5" side armour
New superstructure and masts fore and aft. Most notably, the forward superstructure would have been a "block" type similar to that of Renown, the Queen Elizabeths or the King George Vs (KGV).
New funnels. These would have been something similar to those on Renown as KGV funnels would have been too small.
Addition of a catapult, hangars and Walrus seaplanes. (See "Some Considerations" below)
Improved antiaircraft (AAA) protection. This would include: The addition of 3 pom poms (for a total of 6), removal of all UPs and 4" HA/LA guns and lastly, the addition of either 16 x 4.5" (like Renown) or 5.25" guns (like KGV) (See "Some Considerations" below)
Upgraded fire control. She would have received updated radar, fire control tables, comms, directors, etc.
Extended forecastle deck. Hood's stern was notoriously wet due to her overweight condition. An extension was considered for the simple fact that it might help keep the quarterdeck a bit drier. The extension would retain the rough "V" shape but would instead, extend to "X" turret. (See "Some Considerations" below).

Some Considerations

We feel that due to certain circumstances, of the above list, a few items would likely have been changed or possibly not implemented:
Catapult/aircraft gear–. By 1944/1945, the Royal Navy had reexamined the need for aircraft aboard battleships and battle cruisers. Due to key considerations, not the least of which was the improvement in aerial surveillance radar, it was decided to remove such equipment. Therefore, Hood, under construction during this period. would likely have had changes made. It is possible that if aircraft were not used, the space they would have occupied would have gone to boats or possibly increased 40mm antiaircraft batteries.
4.5" or 5.25" Secondary Battery–. Though the 5.25" would have been preferred, there were availability issues with the guns. Instead, the widely available 4.5" guns would have been a more likely choice to install aboard Hood.. It was also a more standard sized round (Queen Elizabeth, Renown, carriers, etc.).
Extended Forecastle deck–. This would only have been done if other modifications did not result in a significant reduction in displacement/increase in freeboard. If Hood sat higher in the water, there would have been no need for the extension.
Location of shell rooms and magazines–. This, Hood's "Achilles heel," would not have been fixed. The powder magazines would still have been situated dangerously over the shell rooms.

this is the info of the would have been refit, this information comes from the HMS HOOD ASSOCIATION, a good source of information.
along with a crew list, dimensions and also specifications on weapons and protection......
and some art that can be used for loading screens if you wished.

i also have a link to a 3d rendering of the hood at the day of the sinking so you can add some minor details you would miss from models.

http://www.hmshood.com/photos/hoodphotos3.htm

please use this information in your mod as if will indefinitely help to increase it's potential and also it's desirability among those captains of the sea
who would love the chance to command such a sea worthy vessel.

Do you have any information on speed and displacement if she got the refit.

[iowa101]

this link gives a basic dimension for the ship
ill post infor that goes into detail when i have sorted through it

http://www.hmshood.com/ship/dimensions2.jpg


Armour (K. C.):
Vertical:
3" Side (submerged)
12", 7", 5" Side (amidships)
6" - 5" Side (forward)
6" Side (aft)
5", 4" Bulkh`ds (f. & a.)
12" - 11" Barbetters
15" Face turrets
12" - 11" Sides turrets
12" & 9" C.T.
6" C.T. Base
6" Director tower
4" - 3" Torp. control tower
5.5" P. & S. R. F. towers
1" Funnel uptakes
1" (H. T.) Shields to 5.5" guns Armour (H. T.):
Decks:
2" Forecastle
1" U.D. amidships
1.5" - 3" Main deck
3" M. D. over magazines
1.5" - 1" L. D. forward
3" - 1" L. D. aft Crowns:
3" Director tower
5" C. T.
3" Torpedo control tower
5" Turrets
Special protection (H. T.):
1.5" and 0.75" Torp. pro. b`lk`d over magazines, boiler and engine rooms, bulges and buoyancy spaces.

[Karle94]

this link gives a basic dimension for the ship
ill post infor that goes into detail when i have sorted through it

http://www.hmshood.com/ship/dimensions2.jpg


Armour (K. C.):
Vertical:
3" Side (submerged)
12", 7", 5" Side (amidships)
6" - 5" Side (forward)
6" Side (aft)
5", 4" Bulkh`ds (f. & a.)
12" - 11" Barbetters
15" Face turrets
12" - 11" Sides turrets
12" & 9" C.T.
6" C.T. Base
6" Director tower
4" - 3" Torp. control tower
5.5" P. & S. R. F. towers
1" Funnel uptakes
1" (H. T.) Shields to 5.5" guns Armour (H. T.):
Decks:
2" Forecastle
1" U.D. amidships
1.5" - 3" Main deck
3" M. D. over magazines
1.5" - 1" L. D. forward
3" - 1" L. D. aft Crowns:
3" Director tower
5" C. T.
3" Torpedo control tower
5" Turrets
Special protection (H. T.):
1.5" and 0.75" Torp. pro. b`lk`d over magazines, boiler and engine rooms, bulges and buoyancy spaces.

You don`t have to state how thick the armor is on specific places as the game doesn`t work in the same way as in real life.

[iowa101]

i just got what i could lols, the would have been refit info is hard to get a hold of beings as after it's sinking the plan would've been scrapped i suppose. still looking around and ill let you know

[Karle94]

Here`s a couple of pictures of her in-game:

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/SH4Img2010-06-26_181544_718.jpg

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/SH4Img2010-06-26_181558_593.jpg

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/SH4Img2010-06-26_170150_546.jpg

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/SH4Img2010-06-26_170202_562.jpg

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/SH4Img2010-06-26_170217_718.jpg

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/SH4Img2010-06-26_170224_500.jpg

What ever I do the guns insist on staying black. She also has a tendensy to roll alot in heavy weather.

[Hunter]

Why wouldn't just make 'Renown' insted of this rather useless hipothetical ship?:ping:

[Karle94]

Why wouldn't just make 'Renown' insted of this rather useless hipothetical ship?:ping:

I could also make the Renown. What do you mean by useless?

[MGR1]

I could also make the Renown. What do you mean by useless?

The Renown would be very handy - she was the only one of the trio to survive. She'd be a nice touch to add to Lurker's "We Dive at Dawn" mod as she did serve with the Eastern Fleet during 1943-44.

A rebuilt Hood is a purely hypothetical exercise - since it didn't occur, it's not necessary to have it in-game if your sticking to a realistic campaign.

Fine for a fictional "What If?" or as a playable unit, though.

Mike.

[Hunter]

Absolutely agree, with previous post, but concidering that we still don't have such impotant WW2 era ship as HMS Renown, real unit could be much more useful and usable for both historic and fictional campaigns

[Karle94]

Verison one is out. Download link in the first post.

[Karle94]

Okay ladies and gents. New version coming out. I borowed the 3D model from SHV. I used the superstructure from the Repulse to make the superstructure for the refitted Hood. Anyhow, here`s a couple of pics:

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/SH4Img2011-05-30_021909_269.jpg

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/SH4Img2011-05-30_022237_668.jpg

[JapLance]

Those ships look really good! :yeah:

[Gerald]

Very good,:up:

[chrysanthos]

she is nice but why the turrets are black?:06:

[Karle94]

she is nice but why the turrets are black?:06:

The turrets are black cause they were originally made to be used with OM. This mod was supposed to be used when having OM activated. Since I have two SH4 folders, one for OM and one for RSRDC I get a few mod suips.

[colonelCJ]

Okay ladies and gents. New version coming out. I borowed the 3D model from SHV. I used the superstructure from the Repulse to make the superstructure for the refitted Hood. Anyhow, here`s a couple of pics:

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/SH4Img2011-05-30_021909_269.jpg

http://i777.photobucket.com/albums/yy51/Karle94/SH4Img2011-05-30_022237_668.jpg

Wow :rock:

[Nemesis1024]

Hi, sorry if i've necro'd this thread though I just downloaded and tried out the mod though having some strange texture problems on the ship hull, props and deck...plus the guns are still black like in your screenshot.

Just wondering if you are still working on the mod as i'd be very interested in playing the mighty Hood ingame.

Thanks for the effort thus far :yeah:

[Karle94]

Hi, sorry if i've necro'd this thread though I just downloaded and tried out the mod though having some strange texture problems on the ship hull, props and deck...plus the guns are still black like in your screenshot.

Just wondering if you are still working on the mod as i'd be very interested in playing the mighty Hood ingame.

Thanks for the effort thus far :yeah:

Yes. I am going to release V1.1 soon. New models, new textures and the guns are now from the Vanguard mod.

[iambecomelife]

Nice job. I like the smaller details on the forward superstructure.

[Sailor Steve]

Why wouldn't just make 'Renown' insted of this rather useless hipothetical ship?:ping:
Because he's a modder and a modelbuilder, and they make what they want, not what someone else thinks they should make. :sunny:

[Karle94]

Hi, sorry if i've necro'd this thread though I just downloaded and tried out the mod though having some strange texture problems on the ship hull, props and deck...plus the guns are still black like in your screenshot.

Just wondering if you are still working on the mod as i'd be very interested in playing the mighty Hood ingame.

Thanks for the effort thus far :yeah:

I am now releasing the new version of the mod. This is my first week at school so I won`t have to much time to mod in the foreseeing future. I will try to do my best.

Nice job. I like the smaller details on the forward superstructure.

That`s because of the SHV 3D model. A lot of details on even the smaller things.

Because he's a modder and a modelbuilder, and they make what they want, not what someone else thinks they should make. :sunny:
I will make what ever I want within certain parameters. I will not make ships such as the H-45 witch would have been bigger than the biggest supertanker in the world.

Anyhow, here`s the link:http://www.gamefront.com/files/20710068/HMS_Hood_V1.1.rar
Hope you guys like it.

[Nemesis1024]

Just loaded up the Hood on stock 1.5, textures look good now though 3 of the guns were missing the only one there was the chrome Vanguard one.

She looks damn good though :DL

[Karle94]

Just loaded up the Hood on stock 1.5, textures look good now though 3 of the guns were missing the only one there was the chrome Vanguard one.

She looks damn good though :DL

That may be a thing I may have overlooked. It`s a simple fix.open the HMS_Hood and HMS_Hood_Refit.eqp. Replace the four entries with 16in_Deck_Gun_US with 380mm_MK1N.

[TBear]

Why wouldn't just make 'Renown' insted of this rather useless hipothetical ship?:ping:

i know i might be out of line, but you realy should read

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170464

and then

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=165965

Ontop of this you put 3d editing

so why dont you create a less useless hipothetical ship your self...

Karle, again awsome job :)

sorry for the burp......

LTbear

[Karle94]

Karle, again awsome job :)

LTbear


Thanks. When you mentioned the tutorials I can`t help but to look back three years ago when I started modding. Time really has flown away when you start to look back.

[Captain_Rockwell_Torry]

Hi, Karl94, had the same problem but got 'em fixed after reading about your fix. By the way checked out the G3, as it had the same problem, and changed it to use the 16" us turret's and it worked. So now I have the main guns on the G3 as well. I did find a problem with the N3 though. All the turrets are there, but no ammo for the 18" guns. Trying to figure out how to fix that. Anyway The Hood is another real beauty! Also wanted to thank you for the Alsace, once again fine job!

Regards:
Captain Rockwell Torry:yeah:

[Karle94]

I have made a patch for the missing guns.

http://www.gamefront.com/files/20716695/HoodWeaponsPatch.rar

[Nemesis1024]

Nicely done and many thanks :)

Had a strange texture problem after being partially sunk off the coast of Japan mind you (damn bombers hit my forward turrent blowing out the bulkhead which caused flooding in my forward magazine, so much so that by the time I got it stopped the props were out of the water and the two forward turrets were submerged!! :o) anyway would have taken a screenshot to show you what I mean though every time I pressed Print Screen it gave me a picture of my desktop lol unless there's an ingame screenshot button?

Seemed the colour of the hull/superstructure/guns (only the submerged ones) turned from the normal grey to an unusual mix of dark colours and the forward anti-air gun screen was blacked out while being manually operated...though guess it's not too much of a problem unless you get partially sunk like me :har:

Thanks again for the great work though, having fun playing my favorite ship :up:

[miguelmmag]

Karle, will you finish the Hood?, it looks great, and will you make skins for the turrets?