Patch No.2 - DELAYED 4/20/2010 [Master Thread]

[urfisch]

Source: Official UbiForum Germany

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3431013487/m/9711094158?r=2311029158#2311029158

:nope:

Official Reason:

"Unexspected issues with localization"...

:dead:

[KiwiVenge]

Darn, was hoping to check it out tonight.

[Zedi]

It's only about the german version. :zzz:

[jwilliams]

:damn:
was looking forward to playing SH5 1.2. now i've gotta wait another week :wah:

not good :nope:

[Catfish]

"Unexpected issues with localization"... of online UBI DRM servers
:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

Greetings,
Catfish

[doomlordis]

on a positive note they have added

In addition to the above points were incorporated some improvements:

SH4 ships can now be imported (useful for modders).
Improvements in the reward system for U-boats in the dynamic campaign
Improvements to the AI
Changes to accommodate RU localization will therefore be present in patch 1.2, but will not affect players in a visible form

[Sub Marauder]

I won't buy this game until they remove DRM, period. I have little interest in working my ass off on a mission only to have a brief connection loss to kill my game. SH4 is good enough for me.

[coronas]

Some good news:

In addition to the above points were incorporated some improvements:

SH4 ships can now be imported (useful for modders).
Improvements in the reward system for U-boats in the dynamic campaign
Improvements to the AI
Changes to accommodate RU localization will therefore be present in patch 1.2, but will not affect players in a visible form.

http://ubisoft-de.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ubisoft_de.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=13405

:salute:

[Zedi]

I won't buy this game until they remove DRM, period. I have little interest in working my ass off on a mission only to have a brief connection loss to kill my game. SH4 is good enough for me.

I'm sure everyone here will care about your decision and also was a very important announce to make on a topic about the patch delay.

Back on topic, guys.. that news is only about the german patch, not the english one, so don't start the panic and spread false news.

[Paco]

The good news :rock:

But the rest..... :damn:

Paco

[GerritJ9]

I'm more interested in the possibility of transferring SH5 ships to SH4 or SH3, such as "Emden".

[ingsoc84]

Well, If Im in America and installed the bought copy here but installed the german language, can I still download and apply the patch for North America, or need I uninstall and install the game in English? God I hope not...can't imagine it would affect anything, but one never knows.

[Athlonic]

Well, If Im in America and installed the bought copy here but installed the german language, can I still download and apply the patch for North America, or need I uninstall and install the game in English? God I hope not...can't imagine it would affect anything, but one never knows.

I think there will be a unique patch for all versions like the v1.1.5 was.

So time to wait for the next week for everyone.

[Nico09]

Without wanting to sound too annoyed WTF does "Unexpected issues with localization"... mean. :damn: :nope: ................. surely they knew what was going on rather than wait until the day of release.

Not F*%*$*& impressed UBI :stare:

[The General]

That news is only about the german patch, not the english one, so don't start the panic and spread false news.Speaking of not spreading false rumours; how do YOU know this delay isn't across the board? It's 12:45 in Romania on Patch release day and there's no sign of it here in the UK.

What does "Unexpected issues with localization" mean?Anybody?

[Nico09]

Thanks for the EDIT General :DL, i was a tad annoyed when I wrote it :oops:. BUt not embaressed enough to edit original :03:

[d@rk51d3]

I'm sure everyone here will care about your decision and also was a very important announce to make on a topic about the patch delay.

Back on topic, guys..

:sign_yeah::up::salute:

[Zedi]

Speaking of not spreading false rumours; how do YOU know this delay sn't across the board?

What does "Unexpected issues with localization" mean?
Anybody?

Because is way beyond my imagination that a major patch delay announcement would be made buried inside a minor thread only on the german forum. Period.

If this would be really true, then UBI is the biggest looser game company ever in the history. A patch delay should be a big sticky thread on the official forum and also an official announcement on the SH5 web site.

Localization issues means that some stuff in the patch are not translated correctly or are not yet finished, so is normal that the german patch would be delayed.

[Gatt]

Because is way beyond my imagination that a major patch delay announcement would be made buried inside a minor thread only on the german forum. Period.

If this would be really true, then UBI is the biggest looser game company ever in the history. A patch delay should be a big sticky thread on the official forum and also an official announcement on the SH5 web site.

Localization issues means that some stuff in the patch are not translated correctly or are not yet finished, so is normal that the german patch would be delayed.

The first announcements about the (true) DRM system were buried in the german forum as well.

Shame ..... :nope:

[The General]

Because is way beyond my imagination that a major patch delay announcement would be made buried inside a minor thread only on the german forum. Period.

If this would be really true, then UBI is the biggest looser game company ever in the history. A patch delay should be a big sticky thread on the official forum and also an official announcement on the SH5 web site.

Localization issues means that some stuff in the patch are not translated correctly or are not yet finished, so is normal that the german patch would be delayed.I like your logic :), but as our collegue above has pointed out, Ubisoft don't exactly have the greatest track-record for this sort of thing . It's not looking good for a release today :cry:.

The good news is that I'm gonna go ahead and release my Iceberg Mod today. I know, I know, "So, what?!" :03:

[Lonectzn]

Personally I'm extremely happy to wait if it means getting that third sentence - improvements to the AI. If it wasn't delayed, and we didn't get the AI improvement, how long would it be until they patched again? Months?

[Athlonic]

For the localization issue :

I've heard somewhere that there was a typo in the german version.

Something about "Ja !" typed "Ga !"

So the team will try to fix this during this whole week, crossing fingers they success.

:88)

Joke appart : Some reported that the Steam version is patched to 1.2 already, someone to confirm ?

[The General]

Personally I'm extremely happy to wait if it means getting that third sentence - improvements to the AI. If it wasn't delayed, and we didn't get the AI improvement, how long would it be until they patched again? Months?Yes, looking on the bright-side, I agree. The SH4 models being able to be added to SH5 is teriffic news too. I think we're lucky to get this Patch and I strongly suspect it will be the last one. The good news is that after a bit more modding, SH5 will be incredible :up:

Thanks for the EDIT General :DL, i was a tad annoyed when I wrote it :oops:. BUt not embaressed enough to edit original :03:You're welcome :DL

[Nico09]

For the localization issue :

I've heard somewhere that there was a typo in the german version.

Something about "Ja !" typed "Ga !"

So the team will try to fix this during this whole week, crossing fingers they success.

:88)


PMSL:rotfl2::har:

[lumat83]

One week for this ? :DL:DL:DL

Lol, they work hard

[alexradu89]

3 words:
Be more aggressive! :rotfl2:

[badaboom]

If it means improving the AI I'll gladly wait a week,No Problem!

[THE_MASK]

Improving AI and SH4 ships can be imported into SH5 , take as long as they like .

[Navarre]

For the first time in the history of SH5 development, Ubisoft tested their software and delayed the release!

We all should mark today as red in our calendar:har:

[Hartmann]

on a positive note they have added

In addition to the above points were incorporated some improvements:

SH4 ships can now be imported (useful for modders).
Improvements in the reward system for U-boats in the dynamic campaign
Improvements to the AI
Changes to accommodate RU localization will therefore be present in patch 1.2, but will not affect players in a visible form

well , in the "wolfes of the pacific" addon there are IX an walter boats, the question is if can be imported too. :hmmm:

[urfisch]

afaik...there is only one version of the game, a mulitlanguage one. so there´s only one patch for all.

[BigBANGtheory]

The delay is unpleasent, but it does proove the patch is being taken seriously and not just thrown out into the wild. So there is a silver lining to this cloud..

[ReallyDedPoet]

The delay is unpleasent, but it does proove the patch is being taken seriously and not just thrown out into the wild. So there is a silver lining to this cloud..

:agree:

[piri_reis]

What's the big deal guys, just 2 weeks of delay, is SH5 your only hobby?
Plus, more things were added to the patch, and new tools/abilities for modders, so no complaints from me UBI, keep it up :up:

[kylania]

What's the big deal guys, just 2 weeks of delay, is SH5 your only hobby?
Plus, more things were added to the patch, and new tools/abilities for modders, so no complaints from me UBI, keep it up :up:

I think the point is the timing. For weeks now we've been impatiently waiting for this new patch to make the base game playable. Then, hours into the release day they quietly mention in a single forum deep in some single post that it's gonna be delayed ANOTHER week.

Did they JUST figure this out a few hours ago? If not, we should have been told sooner and more officially. Sure it's cool that we'll be able to import ships again but honestly ALL of this stuff should have been in game from the start, not two embarrassing and grueling months later.

[Méo]

Someone stated recently that 90% of members here would have prefered if Ubi had delayed the release of SH5 for 3 months in order to finish it. :hmmm:

Only one week for a patch and look at this...

[Sub Marauder]

Would the first patch be required before this patch is applied or can I use this patch without the first one?

[rededge]

Would the first patch be required before this patch is applied or can I use this patch without the first one?

Should auto patch on running shouldn't it?

I reinstalled last night ready for "today's" patch release, only to find I'm back with 1.0.5 for some strange reason.

Oh,well, patience is a virtue.
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BUT I HAVEN'T GOT ANY-------------:damn:

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[Lord Justice]

if Ubi had delayed the release of SH5 for 3 months in order to finish it.SirMeo i should wish this patch stand in some form of good (order). :yep: I will make allowances for the delay. :O:

[mookiemookie]

First people say that the game is a mess and needs a patch. Then they complain that the patch is taking too long. Now they complain when the patch is delayed so that it's done right.

GET OVER YOURSELVES!

And the best news in the whole thing is that they're making it so SH4 ships can be imported! YES! :woot::yeah:

[Takao]

Why am I not surprised!

They'll delay the SHV patch, but...heaven forbid...they delay the SHV game.

Ubi:down:

[TDK1044]

Ubisoft has a history in previous versions of the game of issuing patches that fixed many issues but which also caused a few new ones. Therefore, I would think that the delay is a very good thing.

So let's applaud them for acknowledging the problem and for taking the time to fix it.

Who knows if there will be any more patches after this one. In the past, we have always had three or four patches, but there's no guarantee of that this time.

I would suggest though that those of us who have spent a lot of time recently criticizing this Publisher, justifiably in my view, should also give them praise where it's due.

So, good job with this one, Ubisoft. Please continue to improve and support this game. :)

[SteamWake]

WTF does "Unexpected issues with localization"... mean.

There trying to find the right words for extreme speed. :03:

[Nico09]

I think the point is the timing. For weeks now we've been impatiently waiting for this new patch to make the base game playable. Then, hours into the release day they quietly mention in a single forum deep in some single post that it's gonna be delayed ANOTHER week.

Did they JUST figure this out a few hours ago? If not, we should have been told sooner and more officially. Sure it's cool that we'll be able to import ships again but honestly ALL of this stuff should have been in game from the start, not two embarrassing and grueling months later.


What he said :cool:

[piri_reis]

I think the point is the timing. For weeks now we've been impatiently waiting for this new patch to make the base game playable. Then, hours into the release day they quietly mention in a single forum deep in some single post that it's gonna be delayed ANOTHER week.


You're right; It's just easier for me to say, because I've been away from subsim for a few weeks, just checking back to see if the patch was released. Took a break from SH5, so yeah for people that are here daily, I can see the frustration of a delay.

PS: Now the news of being able to import SH3/4 ships is just magnificent!

[daftspore]

The whole thing I find bizarre is that we choose to play a nice market game that we are extremely fortunate that Ubi are creating a submarine simulator game in the first place.

I love combat flight simulators but apart from Falcon 4 (which is excellent) and the IL series of game it is severely lacking. We have Silent Hunter 3,4 and 5 which are all amazing games in their own right. Collegues at work laugh when I say I play simulators and don't understand why I wouldn't rather play COD modern warfare but give me SH5 any day (even in its current form).

The game at the moment is more than playable and enjoyable to play. If the patch takes one more week then so be it, at least it will have more features and I won't have to disable my excellent mods until next Sunday.

In my view £30 is not a great deal for a game like SH5 with the modding potential. I have bought Sh3,Sh4 and SH5 on pretty much the day of release and not been disappointed with any of them, though took a bit of time to get used to SH4.

I am looking at steal beasts pro which costs $125 and have to think more than twice if I want that outlay. :-?

[robbo180265]

As annoying as the delay (and more so , the complete lack of customer service and announcements yet again) is...

The news about importing ships and also the work done to the AI is awesome and worth the wait IMO:up:

[The General]

I suspect The Devs may have been recently told by the Suits to make this the last Patch. So, they're taking their time to make sure it's a good one. Which we appreciate :DL.

[mcarlsonus]

+1
still believe the franchise has reached its end. Few of us left who have the attention span necessary to, "prosecute" plans, rather than simply reloading after, "wasting" various and sundry others...

[Sub Marauder]

First people say that the game is a mess and needs a patch. Then they complain that the patch is taking too long. Now they complain when the patch is delayed so that it's done right.

GET OVER YOURSELVES!

And the best news in the whole thing is that they're making it so SH4 ships can be imported! YES! :woot::yeah:

I guess when people make one huge mistake, it just magnifies later issues.

[The General]

I guess when people make one huge mistake, it just magnifies later issues.Ok, I'll take the bait. What's the 'one huge mistake' of which you speak? You're not gonna say DRM are you? Don't you have anything original to say? What has DRM got to do with Patching a game?

[kylania]

Ok, I'll take the bait. What's the 'one huge mistake' of which you speak? You're not gonna say DRM are you? Don't you have anything original to say? What has DRM got to do with Patching a game?

DRM + game breaking bugs on release + 4 weeks of no communication + 2 weeks of waiting for a promised patch + 1 week of totally unannounced patch delay - ability to import SH4 ships = magnified sad panda. ;)

[Westbroek]

I aim to continue being happy that there will be a patch at all. :D
Plus the news about the SH4 ships is very exciting to me.
Delay: slight irritation
Upside: Priceless

[The General]

;)Yeah, the ability to import SH4 models into SH5 is great news! I heard some guy asked if that meant SH4's U-Boat addon Sub models too?! :o

...And, there were some Iceberg models in SH4, maybe I can import those for my Mod! :rotfl2:

[mcarlsonus]

If we're going to be able to get new ships, I hope we can get a REAL Recognition Manual, too! Could we bring the old one from SH4? It was occasionally a tedious read, but, had some interesting spots. No real plot line, though...and I couldn't dance to it...

Like many of us, I'm willing to wait as it appears to be a REALLY beneficial change! MORE than I ever expected!

[daft]

Not really surprising at all considering how original deadlines seldom work out in the software business. In the short term the delay might annoy some people (obviously), but in the long run it is a good thing. We're getting a better patch next week (hopefully) than we would have gotten today. Hopefully there is more to come in terms of patches and add-ons.

I think the dev's took a well deserved rest after shipping (at least I hope they did, because they have certainly earned one) and now they're obviously back at it. I think SH5 will be absolutely awesome in due time. I really like what I've seen so far, so there is a good chance of that.

[Brag]

They must remove DRM/OSP before I buy :smug:

[Chillaxed614]

First people say that the game is a mess and needs a patch. Then they complain that the patch is taking too long. Now they complain when the patch is delayed so that it's done right.




In all honesty I'm glad they're pushing it back to assure its done right the first time around. It's good theyre learning from past mistakes. I'm impressed at how fast the modders and devs are working together with what they've already got out on SH5 considering the short amount of time its been out. Im enjoying the the living hell out of SH4 right now with everything they've put together for it. Great job guys, keep up the awesome work, it's really appreciated :up:

[robbo180265]

They must remove DRM/OSP before I buy :smug:

And what does that have to do with the topic of this thread exactly?


Yeah I'm glad that they are taking their time and seem to be addressing the major issues with this patch. I think I'll leave SHV alone till the patch is released. I'd hate to be losing another campaign.

[Jeffg]

And thats why I still use SH4.

JeffG

[MattDizzle]

I was gonna release the patch, but than i got high.... la la la i was gonna debug the game, but than i got high.

4/20 software developers hay hay hay smoke weed everyday.

[oiler]

Ubisoft don't want to remove drm. They want to use it and develop it - it isn't good lookut.:down:

[PL_Andrev]

I can wait more time if more bugs are removed.
:rock:

[KiwiVenge]

Rather they take a week longer to make sure they get it as right as they can instead of releasing now and adding more problems or bugs in my opinion.
Really no biggie to me to wait a week, was having fun with it as is anyway and also have so many other things to do :)

[Don_D_Dwain]

I am glad there is a slight delay.....attention to detail. For example, the font size could be a little bigger or a "magnifier like SH4", except one the magnifies the numbers or make them darker, (as is, too hard to see,too faint). For map tools, drawing angles or measure distance. Would be nice, Thanks.

[longam]

When its ready. its ready.

[THE_MASK]

They must remove DRM/OSP before I buy :smug:
I bought SH5 and play it , but wish they would remove DRM/OSP .

[ERPP8]

On the bright side SHIV ships will be importable!

[bigboywooly]

On the bright side SHIV ships will be importable!

Importable now as are SH3 units

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/SH5/NDST.jpg

Only have no damage models and only 1 skin as has to be embedded into dat
IIRC the skin issue was the one they were trying to sort out
Hopefully it will mean a full import - damage model and all

Shall see in 2 weeks :damn:

[The General]

Importable now as are SH3 units.

Only they have no damage models, with only 1 skin and that has to be embedded into dat.

IIRC the skin issue was the one they were trying to sort out
Hopefully it will mean a full import - damage model and all.

We shall see in 2 weeks :damn:I dunno what you just said, but it sounds bad.

There's a Credit for you here by-the-way: :salute:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=165736&highlight=icebergs

[mcarlsonus]

On the bright side SHIV ships will be importable!

that, "Action Pic" o'Salma Hayek someone posted the other day reminded me I'M not importable!

**** RIMSHOT **** - Thank you folks! I'll be here all...day....maybe

[Madox58]

No the texture does not have to be in the dat file.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1339827&postcount=79

But Normals and Occlusion mapping didn't work.
The sims need totally rebuilt in Goblin at this time.
And the damages also.

[ShiftZ]

I am looking at steal beasts pro which costs $125 and have to think more than twice if I want that outlay.

You won't be disappointed in any way with SBPro PE. One thing to remember though is that it's not a game but a true simulator so if you're used to campaigns and points etc, you won't be finding it in Pro PE.

[Reaves]

People are glad the patch is delayed? Are you not sick of the state SH games are released?

UBI you suck and I hate you.

*mumbles*full price for beta*mumbles*collecting dust*

[Nico09]

Why would we want ships from sh4? they are japanese merchants, Wtf have they got to do with the battle in the atlantic?

[severniae]

I've got to agree with the rest of the crowd here. It does feel a good omen that Ubi are delaying. Much rather a delayed but better patch than a rushed crappy one!

[gutted]

I've got to agree with the rest of the crowd here. It does feel a good omen that Ubi are delaying. Much rather a delayed but better patch than a rushed crappy one!

couldn't be any worse than it is now.....

i cant even bring myself to play it in its current state anymore. so boring.

[Iron Budokan]

Extreme speed ahead!

At least until the next setback....

[Onkel Neal]

I've got to agree with the rest of the crowd here. It does feel a good omen that Ubi are delaying. Much rather a delayed but better patch than a rushed crappy one!


:agree: Steady work is always better than a rush job. As long as Ubi is maintaining some continual progress, :rock:

[Reaves]

I've got to agree with the rest of the crowd here. It does feel a good omen that Ubi are delaying. Much rather a delayed but better patch than a rushed crappy one!


Yes, rushed. It's not Ubisoft taking away resources from the patch that is causing the delay, it's more fixes.

[Madox58]

Why would we want ships from sh4? they are japanese merchants, Wtf have they got to do with the battle in the atlantic?


If the occlusion and normal mapping is corrected for dat files?
We can change the 3D Models.
That's "WTF" they have to do with the fix.
:03:

[Nico09]

If the occlusion and normal mapping is corrected for dat files?
We can change the 3D Models.
That's "WTF" they have to do with the fix.
:03:

Ermmm, im sorry im not a modder and haven't a clue what you just said, but to me it initially sounded like UBI are doing there best to fob fans off with a load of **** and the WTF :oops: is because im so damn angry at the late announcement of the patch being pulled :stare:, not the fact they are adding things to it, although that could have come out in 1.3 :doh:

[Nordmann]

Ermmm, im sorry im not a modder and haven't a clue what you just said, but to me it initially sounded like UBI are doing there best to fob fans off with a load of **** and the WTF :oops: is because im so damn angry at the late announcement of the patch being pulled :stare:, not the fact they are adding things to it, although that could have come out in 1.3 :doh:

Honestly, you're lucky they are even bothering to patch the game, it's not as if they are forced to do so. I can think of many games I have bought over the years, which have been abandoned by the developer shorty after release, those of Eastern Europe being some of the worst.

Better a delay, than a rushed patch, which results in the need for another patch (again rushed), resulting in (you guessed it) another patch, and so on and so forth. I do not see the need for rage, it will be released, just have patience and play something else in the meantime.

[Cap.Palla]

Honestly, you're lucky they are even bothering to patch the game, it's not as if they are forced to do so. I can think of many games I have bought over the years, which have been abandoned by the developer shorty after release, those of Eastern Europe being some of the worst.

Better a delay, than a rushed patch, which results in the need for another patch (again rushed), resulting in (you guessed it) another patch, and so on and so forth. I do not see the need for rage, it will be released, just have patience and play something else in the meantime.

I'm totally agree with you! I prefere to wait a week or two instead of a unfinished patch BUT..... if the 1.2 patch will be incomplete....i will be very very angry!! :stare::arrgh!:
PS: nice your SH5 patch delayed link...............

[Faamecanic]

couldn't be any worse than it is now.....

i cant even bring myself to play it in its current state anymore. so boring.
:agree: I havent played SH5 in 2 weeks now... just cant deal with the interface and AI.

I HOPE UBI is taking thier time, and delay is due to wanting to fix this and make it right. If they release this patch and we still have friendly AI going in reverse to block my path my DVD will be collecting dust like SH4 did for a year or so...

[Drifter]

:agree: I havent played SH5 in 2 weeks now... just cant deal with the interface and AI.

I HOPE UBI is taking thier time, and delay is due to wanting to fix this and make it right. If they release this patch and we still have friendly AI going in reverse to block my path my DVD will be collecting dust like SH4 did for a year or so...

Don't count on Ubisoft fixing the interface much or bringing back many of the features that were removed from SH3 and SH4. Probably not going to happen.

[robbo180265]

Don't count on Ubisoft fixing the interface much or bringing back many of the features that were removed from SH3 and SH4. Probably not going to happen.


Funny thing is that I actually like the interface. Once they add the compass as far as I'm concerned it will be a vast improvement over the old SHIII interface.

Horses for courses eh?:DL

[Faamecanic]

Funny thing is that I actually like the interface. Once they add the compass as far as I'm concerned it will be a vast improvement over the old SHIII interface.

Horses for courses eh?:DL

I still find the interface horrid. WWII subs had VOICE TUBES...I shouldnt have to run down to the engine room to tell my engineer to "give her all shes got" then run to the torpedo room to be the cheerleader for my torpedo men to reload the tubes, then run back up to the conning tower to see a DD screaming at me guns ablazing....

Also (and I know they said they were fixing this) but Depth under keel, return to course, and my biggest cripe a RUDDER fix to go in whatever degree of rudder I want (Helmsman give me Port 20 deg rudder, all ahead standard). None of this 1 degree of rudder rudder rudder (another SH4 bug that didnt get fixed) or !FULL RIGHT RUDDER AT LUDICRIS SPEED AHEAD!

I H A T E the interface as it stands now...can you tell :haha:

[tomoose]

Too bad they couldn't have delayed the release of the actual game and a lot of this heartache might have been avoided!:-?

[John Channing]

I still find the interface horrid. WWII subs had VOICE TUBES...I shouldnt have to run down to the engine room to tell my engineer to "give her all shes got" then run to the torpedo room to be the cheerleader for my torpedo men to reload the tubes, then run back up to the conning tower to see a DD screaming at me guns ablazing....

Also (and I know they said they were fixing this) but Depth under keel, return to course, and my biggest cripe a RUDDER fix to go in whatever degree of rudder I want (Helmsman give me Port 20 deg rudder, all ahead standard). None of this 1 degree of rudder rudder rudder (another SH4 bug that didnt get fixed) or !FULL RIGHT RUDDER AT LUDICRIS SPEED AHEAD!

I H A T E the interface as it stands now...can you tell :haha:

So why don't you add some of the mods that fix virtually everything you listed?

JCC

[robbo180265]

So why don't you add some of the mods that fix virtually everything you listed?

JCC

Was thinking that myself. Probably the reason I love the new UI is that pretty much all the bugs listed above are modded out. God it would be a nightmare if I was still trying to play the game as it came "out of the box"

After the new patch I shouldn't need half the mods I do now.

[kylania]

I still find the interface horrid. WWII subs had VOICE TUBES...I shouldnt have to run down to the engine room to tell my engineer to "give her all shes got" then run to the torpedo room to be the cheerleader for my torpedo men to reload the tubes, then run back up to the conning tower to see a DD screaming at me guns ablazing....

Nor do you have to, there are shortcut keys for all of that. To be honest though I don't use those features, but you do not have to run around to use those features.

[Athlonic]

WWII subs had VOICE TUBES...I shouldnt have to run down to the engine room to tell my engineer to "give her all shes got" then run to the torpedo room to be the cheerleader for my torpedo men to reload the tubes, then run back up to the conning tower to see a DD screaming at me guns ablazing....



Voice tubes are represented ingame (graphical) I was thinking make them clickable so they can trigger a dialog window.
But I have understood how the crew dialog and AI scripts works but I know nothing on adding hotspots in the 3D world.
If any specialists here could lead me to this thingy I will implement this in my MCCD mod rather than unsing the watchman to transfert orders.
That would be cool.

[V.C. Sniper]

good news, lets hope that they are delaying it to get it right and not because they r lazy.

[Sailor Steve]

Why would we want ships from sh4? they are japanese merchants, Wtf have they got to do with the battle in the atlantic?
Only the fact that all of the SH4 models are of European designs that were also used by the Japanese. I can go into excruciating detail if you like.

[oscar19681]

Only the fact that all of the SH4 models are of European designs that were also used by the Japanese. I can go into excruciating detail if you like.

Please do so.

[Athlonic]

I can go into excruciating detail if you like.

I didn't know this word !

:har:

[Highbury]

I didn't know this word !

:har:

If you find it that funny, I still don't think you understand the word ;)

[Vreith]

:agree: I havent played SH5 in 2 weeks now... just cant deal with the interface and AI.

I HOPE UBI is taking thier time, and delay is due to wanting to fix this and make it right. If they release this patch and we still have friendly AI going in reverse to block my path my DVD will be collecting dust like SH4 did for a year or so...


Lol same here haven't played in 3 weeks. just waiting, waiting, can't bare the issues in campaign let alone everything else

[Sailor Steve]

I didn't know this word !

:har:
extremely painful; causing intense suffering; unbearably distressing; torturing: an excruciating noise; excruciating pain.

exceedingly elaborate or intense; extreme: done with excruciating care.

unbearable, insufferable, unendurable, agonizing, racking.

1560–70; < L excruciātus, ptp. of excruciāre to torment, torture

Please do so.

NKLCS_Nagara: I currently have only 13 names for this one. Most of them are guesses, but I have two that are a close match and one perfect one.

NKLSS_Hakusika: 41 names - many of them guesses, but most are at least similar of this type and several of them are a perfect match.

NKMCS_Akita: 33 names - some guesses, many close fits and a couple of perfect matches.

NKMCS_Heito: 21 names - most of these are guesses, which means I can't find a picture of the ship anywhere. But only 21 names out of 11,000 means I haven't come near to finishing my research.

NKMSC_Zinbu: This is one I was sure was specifically Japanese, but out of 25 names I've assigned to the class I've found several that are close, if only one perfect match.

NKMSS_Biyo: 61 names so far - about one quarter guesses, one quarter perfect matches, and one half similar if not exact.

NKMSS_HogIsland: A specific American design. Very few were sold, and none to the Japanese. 135 names, every one a perfect match.

NKMSS_Kinposan: 26 names, most of them guesses. I haven't found any perfect matches in this class - yet.

NIMSS_WarMelody: A specific British type, one of many. On the other hand out of 29 names only War Melody herself is a perfect match so far. many similar types though.

NKPMCS_Express: 34 names, several perfect matches, several guesses, mostly close fits.

NKSCS_Taihosan: 80 names, a few perfect, some more close, and a lot of guesses. However, The American N3 class looks exactly the same, and there were 110 of them.

NKSSS_Kasagisan: A very common European type. I have 120 of them, mostly perfect matches.

NKSSJ: A smaller clone of Kasagisan. My list numbers 153 - a lot of guesses, but the ones I do have pictures for all look exactly like this model. It was much-favored as a lumber-hauler.

That's just the models from SH4, as asked.

[Brag]

Glad to hear about the patch. It should also come with a DRM free copy of the game. Then, I might buy.

[Westbroek]

Thanks Steve, that gives us a lot to look forward to!
Finally some variety in victims, can't wait :rock:

[Reaves]

Too bad they couldn't have delayed the release of the actual game and a lot of this heartache might have been avoided!:-?

Why would they do that? That would mean the reviews of the game wouldn't have such a negative view due to all the bugs, hell the game might have even scored better and in turn had more people purchasing!

That just makes too much sense for a large corporation.. They hire a small dev team with low budget and put unrealistic demands on them. It's the way of the future caused by corporate greed which is a product of trying to please the share holders.

[audessy]

So far SH4 is running circles around SH5.

They should have just released a $50 expansion to SH4 that lets you walk around the boat. Problem solved.

[mookiemookie]

So far SH4 is running circles around SH5.

They should have just released a $50 expansion to SH4 that lets you walk around the boat. Problem solved.

No. At this point in it's life cycle, SH4 was still completely unplayable with show stopping bugs ("A key" anyone?). SH5 has annoyances, bugs and flat out poor development decisions, but nothing game breaking.

Furthermore, comparing a game that's 3 years old, with 5 patches and 3 years of mods developed for it vs a month and a half old game is an apples and oranges comparison.

[Westbroek]

I'm personally enjoying SH5 a great deal. I also enjoy playing SH4. Can't we all agree that sub games are great in general? I figured we could do that here at... er... SUBSIM.COM.
If no one plays SH5 or works on it, then it will never grow into the type of game that SH3 and SH4 grew to become.
I still have high hopes for SH5 with a few patches, some time, and some intrepid modders.
I'm in no rush, patch when ready.

[Leandros]

Some good news:



In addition to the above points were incorporated some improvements:

SH4 ships can now be imported (useful for modders).
Improvements in the reward system for U-boats in the dynamic campaign
Improvements to the AI
Changes to accommodate RU localization will therefore be present in patch 1.2, but will not affect players in a visible form.
http://ubisoft-de.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ubisoft_de.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=13405

:salute:
Boy, that was an impressive list of improvements. Maybe there is hope after all.

[Sub Marauder]

DRM + game breaking bugs on release + 4 weeks of no communication + 2 weeks of waiting for a promised patch + 1 week of totally unannounced patch delay - ability to import SH4 ships = magnified sad panda. ;)

That's exactly what I mean. DRM was just part of the problem. If the game didn't have so many flaws, DRM wouldn't be so much of an issue. The game is $50 CDN which is too much for it's current state.

[walsh2509]

I installed mods over the original files , will I have to reinstall and then d/ld and install patch 1 and patch 2 when it comes , or can I just install patch 2 over what I have just now.

Will having the mods installed mess up any official patch I install?

[Faamecanic]

Voice tubes are represented ingame (graphical) I was thinking make them clickable so they can trigger a dialog window.
But I have understood how the crew dialog and AI scripts works but I know nothing on adding hotspots in the 3D world.
If any specialists here could lead me to this thingy I will implement this in my MCCD mod rather than unsing the watchman to transfert orders.
That would be cool.

That would be a GREAT MOD and add to the level of immersion! :yeah:

[Faamecanic]

So why don't you add some of the mods that fix virtually everything you listed?

JCC

I would but 1) Im not a programmer 2) I have another addictive hobby besides simming (they call it GOLF because all the other 4 letter words were taken) and lastly why the hell should I have to mod a game that I paid for just because there was very little customer interface by the Devs when developing the sim?

[Faamecanic]

Was thinking that myself. Probably the reason I love the new UI is that pretty much all the bugs listed above are modded out. God it would be a nightmare if I was still trying to play the game as it came "out of the box"

After the new patch I shouldn't need half the mods I do now.

But both you and JC missed my point.... Had the Devs Alpha tested or even just asked for opinion on the new UI they would have found very few of us that liked it. Instead they changed 100% of the UI from SH4 with no consideration to the end user.

Im am just VERY thankful and humbeld by the mod community we have here at Subsim (and other sim sites) that can take what is a diamond in the rough and change it into something that is played for YEARS (GWX, RuB, NYGM guys as well as all other modders..this is for you).

It just astounds me how UBI can release something in such rough form...then scratch thier collective heads as to why sales are low...then blame the "niche" market for it instead of thier own incompetence.

[Watson]

Yeh amazing really, that sh5 is released in such an unfinished way, well im back on sh3 again, its got it all for me along with GWX of course. Hopefully time will sort 5 out until then SH3 is more than good enough.

[captainprid]

I'm personally enjoying SH5 a great deal. I also enjoy playing SH4. Can't we all agree that sub games are great in general? I figured we could do that here at... er... SUBSIM.COM.
If no one plays SH5 or works on it, then it will never grow into the type of game that SH3 and SH4 grew to become.
I still have high hopes for SH5 with a few patches, some time, and some intrepid modders.
I'm in no rush, patch when ready.


:up::up::up::up::up::up:

[Kromus]

I installed mods over the original files , will I have to reinstall and then d/ld and install patch 1 and patch 2 when it comes , or can I just install patch 2 over what I have just now.

Will having the mods installed mess up any official patch I install?

I`d suggest also reinstalling.

And yes, some mods probably won`t work or will work but not as intended, some will crash game etc.

[robbo180265]

But both you and JC missed my point.... Had the Devs Alpha tested or even just asked for opinion on the new UI they would have found very few of us that liked it. Instead they changed 100% of the UI from SH4 with no consideration to the end user.

Im am just VERY thankful and humbeld by the mod community we have here at Subsim (and other sim sites) that can take what is a diamond in the rough and change it into something that is played for YEARS (GWX, RuB, NYGM guys as well as all other modders..this is for you).

It just astounds me how UBI can release something in such rough form...then scratch thier collective heads as to why sales are low...then blame the "niche" market for it instead of thier own incompetence.

You are right I did miss your point, sorry - SHV was released in a woeful state, without the mods it would have been quite difficult to play. I feel sorry for anyone who bought the game and doesn't know about Subsim.

[mookiemookie]

I would but 1) Im not a programmer
You need to be a programmer to add mods to a game? JSGME is about one of the simplest programs to use.
lastly why the hell should I have to mod a game that I paid for just because there was very little customer interface by the Devs when developing the sim?
Maybe it's just me, but I think it's kind of dumb spending 5 minutes typing a rant about things you don't like rather than spending 5 minutes installing mods that fix the things you're ranting about.

[Faamecanic]

You need to be a programmer to add mods to a game? JSGME is about one of the simplest programs to use.

Maybe it's just me, but I think it's kind of dumb spending 5 minutes typing a rant about things you don't like rather than spending 5 minutes installing mods that fix the things you're ranting about.

mookie...the person replying to my thread was telling me to MAKE my own mods. Thats what I was responding to..... of course I know how to use JSGME.

My POINT again is why should anyone have to spend the time to make MODs to fix stupid crap that should have never made it out of beta test? Like giving the AI intelligence? Or adding more than 4 types of ships to the game, or adding a depth under keel...etc etc ad nausem.

[Faamecanic]

You are right I did miss your point, sorry - SHV was released in a woeful state, without the mods it would have been quite difficult to play. I feel sorry for anyone who bought the game and doesn't know about Subsim.

No apologize necessary bud! :up:

More folks here need to realize its OK to NOT like the current state of SH5. And its OK if someone says they ARE enjoying SH5....

Im (of course) in the camp of NOT enjoying due to the UI and especially not enjoying due to the AI issues, crew managment, and morale bug. Sure I have tried the mods for this but its not fair to give SH5 a thumbs up due to mods that have fixed UBIs screw ups.


Just like SH3 and SH4...I critique a sim/game I paid money for based on its "completeness" at release. Free Modding does not go into this equation. If it did then I would be allowing Ubi to pat itself on the back for the hard work of our modders. Example: How fair would it be for Ubi to say what a wonderful job they did on SH3 with GWX... Ubi didnt do SQUAT to fix SH3 to the state GWX brought it to.

[janh]

...lastly why the hell should I have to mod a game that I paid for just because there was very little customer interface by the Devs when developing the sim?

I agree. If I paid for a game that was in the "full-priced game segment", i.e. not a $5 bargain title, I do expect this to be fully playable, detailed, fun, etc without need to withdraw to mods. In case of a sim that gets advertised as realistic, historic etc., I of course also expect that. And I would also have thought that devs would use common sense and not remove functionality and content that was common to the previous releases, but instead enhance the existing by also looking at some of the mods for the previous title to see what customers really want.

If they did not want to provide a full game that is perfectly good without modding, then they should release it already as a $15 "fun-game with little depth" title. Or they need to label it correctly as (for this example) "subsimulation developement engine".

It is just not legtimate to ask for full price but deliver a half-baked potato...

[mookiemookie]

mookie...the person replying to my thread was telling me to MAKE my own mods. Thats what I was responding to..... of course I know how to use JSGME. Oh, my bad.

My POINT again is why should anyone have to spend the time to make MODs to fix stupid crap that should have never made it out of beta test? Like giving the AI intelligence? Or adding more than 4 types of ships to the game, or adding a depth under keel...etc etc ad nausem.
Well, I agree. But I'm happy we can at least get to the point where those problems are corrected. But it goes back to modding being a two way street - dev's need modders to drive sales, and modders need devs to create a platform.

[janh]

... dev's need modders to drive sales...

This really should not be, and is indicative to me that the thing is already stuck in deep "mud"... A game should be able survive without need for modding to drive sales, since probably less than 20% of casual gamers will use mods anyway. Otherwise it is not a game, but a development plattform...

[drtechno]

I'm more interested in the possibility of transferring SH5 ships to SH4 or SH3, such as "Emden".

Yea that would be GREAT ! Then I can watch newly skinned modded ships crash into each, sail around in circles, crash into land masses, or just sit there oblivious to the world. Thats if the DRM allows me to log in.

Wow.. what a game. Such great modding ability put to such good use. Now I won't get as bored since I will have different ships to watch doing the same stupid stuff.

:yeah: VICTORY AT SEA !

And a big :up: for this great classic of a game.

[John Channing]

Yea that would be GREAT ! Then I can watch newly skinned modded ships crash into each, sail around in circles, crash into land masses, or just sit there oblivious to the world. Thats if the DRM allows me to log in.

Wow.. what a game. Such great modding ability put to such good use. Now I won't get as bored since I will have different ships to watch doing the same stupid stuff.

:yeah: VICTORY AT SEA !

And a big :up: for this great classic of a game.

I guess in your rush to post that you missed the part where the patch has...


Fixes for ships exploding in ports for unapparent reasons or hitting the shore


Don't thank me... I 'm here to help.

JCC

[John Channing]

mookie...the person replying to my thread was telling me to MAKE my own mods. Thats what I was responding to..... of course I know how to use JSGME.



Ummmm... excuse me?

How do you get that out of...

So why don't you add some of the mods that fix virtually everything you listed?


JCC

[drtechno]

I guess in your rush to post that you missed the part where the patch has...



Don't thank me... I 'm here to help.

JCC

Oh thanks !
Hmm.. I guess now I will just have to make-do watching the ships run into each other, sit there doing nothing, steam straight ahead ignoring me or other stupid stuff.

And I thought they were making this game MORE interesting. Instead they are taking away the only things that made it fun ! (Ah yes, watching the harbor traffic)

[Westbroek]

Dr. Techno...
Doesn't sound as though SH5 is your cup of tea...
Might I politely suggest you give something else a try?
I hear knitting is great fun.

[SteamWake]

Good lord.. 10 pages of this :haha:

[Westbroek]

:yep:
People are up in arms. I myself...am still enjoying SH5. I hope everyone can shed the resentment toward whatever they resent and enjoy what there is to enjoy and continue fixing those things that bother them.

[kylania]

:yep:
People are up in arms. I myself...am still enjoying SH5. I hope everyone can shed the resentment toward whatever they resent and enjoy what there is to enjoy and continue fixing those things that bother them.

I resent having to shed resentment. :03:

[Westbroek]

:damn:
Smart guy...

[drtechno]

Dr. Techno...
Doesn't sound as though SH5 is your cup of tea...
Might I politely suggest you give something else a try?
I hear knitting is great fun.

So is SH4 (relative to this detritus).
Apparently sitting and waiting to log in to UBI DRM servers is fun too. As is replaying your game time and time again due to corrupted saves.

And do tell me, how is Adolf's brother's experience on the Bismarck THIS time? Oh yea.. just the same as last time. :up: Thats high quality stuff right there. A dialogue tree that is shorter than this post.

[mookiemookie]

So is SH4 (relative to this detritus).
Apparently sitting and waiting to log in to UBI DRM servers is fun too. As is replaying your game time and time again due to corrupted saves.

And do tell me, how is Adolf's brother's experience on the Bismarck THIS time? Oh yea.. just the same as last time. :up: Thats high quality stuff right there. A dialogue tree that is shorter than this post.

So the question remains - why don't you move on if you don't like the game?

[GoldenRivet]

perhaps the delay is happening because they are effectively removing the DRM system?

:06:

[Nisgeis]

perhaps the delay is happening because they are effectively removing the DRM system?

:06:

Congrats on your 5,000th post!

I can't work out though if that question is dripping in optimism or sarcasm :DL.

[Westbroek]

Oh, no...
GR, please, I don't want people to get their hopes up and then have them disappointed in a week's time. Do you have any idea how many DRM threads would explode? Nuclear reaction.:cry:
PS Happy 5000!

[drtechno]

So the question remains - why don't you move on if you don't like the game?

Because no one tells me what to do, man. No one tells me what to do ! :|\\

[Méo]

Because no one tells me what to do, man. No one tells me what to do ! :|\\

:doh: He's not telling you what to do, he's wondering why...


...and I wonder why too :06:

[Lord Justice]

Because no one tells me what to do, man. No one tells me what to do ! :|\\Then it appears sir, discipline is not your forte. :arrgh!:

[UberMatz]

I've been thinking... "I'll just wait to play again after the update" and decided I would give it a few days after it's release to come and read if it amounted to much, after others had tried it out.

Then I arrive here and find out it's been delayed!! :har::har: This thing is almost turning into some kinda sick joke!! :doh:

[kylania]

Seems that walmario_pl over on the Ubisoft forums (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/5371088258) has found the reason the patch is late. It was being shipped back from Russia via a very specially escorted convoy:

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/6016/motherl.jpg

[Athlonic]

:o:o:o

Oh my godnesssssssssssss !


:haha:

[GoldenRivet]

Congrats on your 5,000th post!

I can't work out though if that question is dripping in optimism or sarcasm :DL.

a bit of both:D

[Safe-Keeper]

SH4 ships can now be imported (useful for modders).This is great news, surely. Don't play SH4 (honestly tried to get into it in its infancy, but didn't), but since it's been out for a while, it has a lot of planes and ships we could just port right across, right? I realize it'd be a lot of work to get lots of stuff transferred, but now at least we know that we'll be able to do so:up:!

[Madox58]

This is great news, surely. Don't play SH4 (honestly tried to get into it in its infancy, but didn't), but since it's been out for a while, it has a lot of planes and ships we could just port right across, right? I realize it'd be a lot of work to get lots of stuff transferred, but now at least we know that we'll be able to do so:up:!


This is some of the best news of the delay.
If they can't give us a way to do GR2 files?
Give us the dats.
We can all handle those!
Granted there may be parts that S3D can't handle right off the bat,
but we have always found a way to deal with the files as we know them.
Just add some instructions on how to do zons in Goblin and we're good!
I didn't get the 'physic powers' stuff in my edition.
:nope:

[John O]

DRM? I remember the complaints about SH4's security software. I've bought SH5 and will load it when I have time to really enjoy it. And with the expectaions that it will be improved for many years of play with the Modders help. They haven't failed us yet.

[Reaves]

DRM? I remember the complaints about SH4's security software. I've bought SH5 and will load it when I have time to really enjoy it. And with the expectaions that it will be improved for many years of play with the Modders help. They haven't failed us yet.

If a game relies on modders in order to make it playable I'd suggest that is an immediate fail.

If a game is released in an unfit state that is also a fail.

[Reece]

If a game relies on modders in order to make it playable I'd suggest that is an immediate fail.

If a game is released in an unfit state that is also a fail.Based on this then SH5 is a fail!:zzz:

[doomlordis]

Just wondering, Ubi are as enlightening as ever!

[GerritJ9]

Patch has been delayed to add " Uncrackable DRM Mark II".... which will no doubt be cracked in all of TWO days this time round................

[Arclight]

Based on this then SH5 is a fail!:zzz:
In your opinion, yes. :hmmm:

[Reece]

Patch has been delayed to add " Uncrackable DRM Mark II".... which will no doubt be cracked in all of TWO days this time round................Introducing even more problems!!:yep:

[John Channing]

Based on this then SH5 is a fail!:zzz:

Using this Griteria...

FALIED GAMES

Slient Hunter
Silent Hunter 2
Silernt Hunter 3
Silent Hunter 4
Janes 688i Hunter Killer
Sub Command
Dangerous Waters
Fleet Command
Fast Attack
Falcon 4.0
Lock On: Modern Air Combat
Janes F15
Janes F/A 18
European Air War
IL2 Sturmovick
Pacific Fighters
EECH
EEAH

I am sure there are more.

JCC

[Phantom Mark]

Posted in correct place - ignore.....

[captainprid]

Tomorrow I think???

[MRGreeny74]

19th or 20th as Ubi said one week ago.

I think it will be released on 5/5/10 :yeah:.

[Athlonic]

Hi,

I've heard from reliable sources than the 1.2 patch will be released on ...

..
** connection with ubiserver lost **
.....

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=238&pictureid=1819

.....
** connection resumed **
..

... and the ubilauncher will automaticaly download it and will ask you if you are ready to upgrade.

:03:

[Cap.Palla]

Hi,

I've heard from reliable sources than the 1.2 patch will be released on ...

..
** connection with ubiserver lost **
.....

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=238&pictureid=1819

.....
** connection resumed **
..

... and the ubilauncher will automaticaly download it and will ask you if you are ready to upgrade.

:03:

LOL :rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

[Commie]

Using this Griteria...

FALIED GAMES

Slient Hunter
Silent Hunter 2
Silernt Hunter 3
Silent Hunter 4
Janes 688i Hunter Killer
Sub Command
Dangerous Waters
Fleet Command
Fast Attack
Falcon 4.0
Lock On: Modern Air Combat
Janes F15
Janes F/A 18
European Air War
IL2 Sturmovick
Pacific Fighters
EECH
EEAH

I am sure there are more.

JCC

Post is Epic Fail! A fatuous listing. Most of those games were not released in as unfit state as SH5(with the exception of the other SH games). I finished Fleet Command before any patch came out. Didn't notice too many problems that weren't bearable with many of the others, particularly Il-2, European Air War and the Janes games.

[thorn69]

extremely painful; causing intense suffering; unbearably distressing; torturing: an excruciating noise; excruciating pain.

exceedingly elaborate or intense; extreme: done with excruciating care.

unbearable, insufferable, unendurable, agonizing, racking.

1560–70; < L excruciātus, ptp. of excruciāre to torment, torture



NKLCS_Nagara: I currently have only 13 names for this one. Most of them are guesses, but I have two that are a close match and one perfect one.

NKLSS_Hakusika: 41 names - many of them guesses, but most are at least similar of this type and several of them are a perfect match.

NKMCS_Akita: 33 names - some guesses, many close fits and a couple of perfect matches.

NKMCS_Heito: 21 names - most of these are guesses, which means I can't find a picture of the ship anywhere. But only 21 names out of 11,000 means I haven't come near to finishing my research.

NKMSC_Zinbu: This is one I was sure was specifically Japanese, but out of 25 names I've assigned to the class I've found several that are close, if only one perfect match.

NKMSS_Biyo: 61 names so far - about one quarter guesses, one quarter perfect matches, and one half similar if not exact.

NKMSS_HogIsland: A specific American design. Very few were sold, and none to the Japanese. 135 names, every one a perfect match.

NKMSS_Kinposan: 26 names, most of them guesses. I haven't found any perfect matches in this class - yet.

NIMSS_WarMelody: A specific British type, one of many. On the other hand out of 29 names only War Melody herself is a perfect match so far. many similar types though.

NKPMCS_Express: 34 names, several perfect matches, several guesses, mostly close fits.

NKSCS_Taihosan: 80 names, a few perfect, some more close, and a lot of guesses. However, The American N3 class looks exactly the same, and there were 110 of them.

NKSSS_Kasagisan: A very common European type. I have 120 of them, mostly perfect matches.

NKSSJ: A smaller clone of Kasagisan. My list numbers 153 - a lot of guesses, but the ones I do have pictures for all look exactly like this model. It was much-favored as a lumber-hauler.

That's just the models from SH4, as asked.


Uhm, could you repeat that?! I didn't quite get it all! :rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

[Reece]

In your opinion, yes. :hmmm:I didn't say that! It was based on someone else's quote!:yep: Note this JCC!!:03:

[Arclight]

Right, sorry, in his opinion then. :)

[SteamWake]

Post is Epic Fail! A fatuous listing. Most of those games were not released in as unfit state as SH5(with the exception of the other SH games). I finished Fleet Command before any patch came out. Didn't notice too many problems that weren't bearable with many of the others, particularly Il-2, European Air War and the Janes games.

Hehe... theres that 'epic fail' thing again... thats just soooooo awsome :haha:

[kylania]

Hehe... theres that 'epic fail' thing again... thats just soooooo awsome :haha:

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/11/18/633626267691843190-TheFAILBoat.jpg

[SteamWake]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/UlteriorModem/fail_boat.jpg

[Faamecanic]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/UlteriorModem/fail_boat.jpg

ROFL.... thats a barge full of cargo containers with all the returned SH5's.... and UBI will blame lack of sales on the "niche" market...must target more 12 yr olds with Playstations.... that will fix it.

[Safe-Keeper]

Seems that walmario_pl over on the Ubisoft forums (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/5371088258) has found the reason the patch is late. It was being shipped back from Russia via a very specially escorted convoy::rotfl2:

I made a convoy like that for an SHIII single mission once -- think it was a small number of tankers escorted by 13 or so destroyers. In full storm, with zero visibility. Never managed to sink the tankers.

[Faamecanic]

If a game relies on modders in order to make it playable I'd suggest that is an immediate fail.

If a game is released in an unfit state that is also a fail.
:agree:

Well put and simply stated.

I wish I could throw together a game engine, release it as a FULL game...then rely on modders to actually make it work.

Again all I can say is thank GOODNESS for all our talented modders. SH3 = fail without free mods, SH4= fail without free mods, SH5= EPIC FAIL without free mods.... humm I see a trend here.

[Faamecanic]

This really should not be, and is indicative to me that the thing is already stuck in deep "mud"... A game should be able survive without need for modding to drive sales, since probably less than 20% of casual gamers will use mods anyway. Otherwise it is not a game, but a development plattform...


Good point..... How many of the people that bought this sim will actually use mods (or know subsim and SimHQ exsist)? I can bet its a small number of total sales.

Again my point is each release of SH has been less complete than the last. This reliance on modders is KILLING SH... because the only niche market that will buy the next release is those that know it can and will be modded. UBI is in essance loosing more and more sales by doing this.

Now if UBI just sold the engine and code as such...that would be a different story.

That is a terrible business model.

[Faamecanic]

Ummmm... excuse me?

How do you get that out of...



JCC

Ok my bad.... I need new glasses.

And for the last time...all of you defenders miss my point...

Why should we, the consumer, accept A N Y product sold to us as a complete product, that requires others to FIX it so that it is any where near a complete product.

Put aside the fact that our talented modders WILL make this a playable sim once again (just like SH3 and 4)..... and ask yourself IF YOU DIDNT KNOW ABOUT MODS AND BOUGHT THIS GAME WOULD YOU FEEL LIKE YOU GOT YOUR MONEYS WORTH.

[scrapser]

Since it's completely obvious by now that Ubisoft, for whatever the reason, is unable to release a sub simulation without the need for extensive patches and mods, I think it would be to everyone's advantage if they would simply own up to the issue and start working with the community in a proactive manner. Specifically they should establish a liason with modders who want to participate and develop the software so two things will be possible.

1. Develop the software in house to the best their budget allows while...
2. Ensuring the code is available to the modders so they can pick up where the in house development team leaves off and finish the simulation.

During the post-publishing period where patches from the developers are produced and released, Ubisoft and the modders could treat that time frame as a sort of "hand-off" period.

I don't see why they cannot do this. In essence this is what is being done now without overtly stating it is the case. I'm certain modders would be more than willing to make whatever changes are necessary and limit their work to the title at hand to eliminate the fear that the source code would somehow get hijacked. In short, the modders would be doing the work Ubisoft cannot afford to do. Perhaps they could even arrange some form of compensation as part of their development budget that would achieve the ends everyone wants.

[Justin Case]

Actually the release date is 04-20-11 ...:smug:

[captainprid]

Actually the release date is 04-20-11 ...:smug:


2011??

[ggregoro]

Since it's completely obvious by now that Ubisoft, for whatever the reason, is unable to release a sub simulation without the need for extensive patches and mods, I think it would be to everyone's advantage if they would simply own up to the issue and start working with the community in a proactive manner. Specifically they should establish a liason with modders who want to participate and develop the software so two things will be possible.

1. Develop the software in house to the best their budget allows while...
2. Ensuring the code is available to the modders so they can pick up where the in house development team leaves off and finish the simulation.

During the post-publishing period where patches from the developers are produced and released, Ubisoft and the modders could treat that time frame as a sort of "hand-off" period.

I don't see why they cannot do this. In essence this is what is being done now without overtly stating it is the case. I'm certain modders would be more than willing to make whatever changes are necessary and limit their work to the title at hand to eliminate the fear that the source code would somehow get hijacked. In short, the modders would be doing the work Ubisoft cannot afford to do. Perhaps they could even arrange some form of compensation as part of their development budget that would achieve the ends everyone wants.
There are a lot modders out there doing some great work on many different things. It might be a good idea if there were some means of coordinating the effort to avoid duplication. I'm not talking about unique mods that have their own flavors, that's what makes them cool. I'm talking about mods that just fix things that are broken or address issues that are historically inaccurate. Sort of like an open source project or something along those lines. Or, is that approach just unrealistic?

[jcmemphis]

Please pardon my noobniss. Am I going to need to disable my mods before I get the patch, or this essentially unknown until breakage occurs. What I mean is, is it a definitive fact that the mods will be incompatible with the patch?

THanks for any help.:up:

[kylania]

is it a definitive fact that the mods will be incompatible with the patch?

Yes.

[Herodotus]

2011??
Well at least that's a full year before the world ends in 2012:woot:

[mcarlsonus]

Well at least that's a full year before the world ends in 2012:woot:

Spoken like a true Australian of the Mayan Persuasion!

[gimpy117]

Well at least that's a full year before the world ends in 2012:woot:

I'm definitely going to throw an "end of the world party" at my college

might as well be hammered...just in case

[kylania]

might as well be hammered...just in case

Words to live every day by! :yeah:

[ddrgn]

Words to live every day by! :yeah:

Ha the ancients just figured that making the calendar any longer would be a waste of time, that's why it ended. I assume they figured there would be a better way to keep time in 2012 than carvings on stone. Its kind of like thinking the world will end when our calendars end in December ;] and no one buys calendars years in advance, especially 500+

[Reaves]

Ha the ancients just figured that making the calendar any longer would be a waste of time, that's why it ended. I assume they figured there would be a better way to keep time in 2012 than carvings on stone. Its kind of like thinking the world will end when our calendars end in December ;] and no one buys calendars years in advance, especially 500+

It's a wheel. The end is the start of the begining...

[Reaves]

Ok my bad.... I need new glasses.

And for the last time...all of you defenders miss my point...

Why should we, the consumer, accept A N Y product sold to us as a complete product, that requires others to FIX it so that it is any where near a complete product.

Put aside the fact that our talented modders WILL make this a playable sim once again (just like SH3 and 4)..... and ask yourself IF YOU DIDNT KNOW ABOUT MODS AND BOUGHT THIS GAME WOULD YOU FEEL LIKE YOU GOT YOUR MONEYS WORTH.

Don't let them get to you. You are 100% correct. Some people just don't want to admit the faults in a product they like. Others seem to not speak honestly as they don't want to be removed from the credits...

The ones whose opinions matter the most remain silent...

[rascal101]

Well you know you can put it another way - ie Ubisoft has releaed a game that addresses a particualr subject whereby its all too aware many players will want to modify the game in some way, for a variety of reasons - so Ubisoft simply tried to make a game thats relativly simple to modify. Afterall it may horigy you to learn that most gamers probably could'nt give a rats arse about WW2 uboats!

Why dont you say something useful or stop posting - Dont buy, or play the game if oits such a travesty for you - whatever stop filing the forum with you, you you -

Many of us are as annoyed as you about the way the game has gone, or the DRM or whatever - the differnece is we are trying to take whats left of the game to make it work - all you want to do is tell us all how anygry you are - thats nice but as your anger is not in a valid games format I dont want to play it

Instead of saying the game doent do this, try saying I have done that!

R


Ok my bad.... I need new glasses.

And for the last time...all of you defenders miss my point...

Why should we, the consumer, accept A N Y product sold to us as a complete product, that requires others to FIX it so that it is any where near a complete product.

Put aside the fact that our talented modders WILL make this a playable sim once again (just like SH3 and 4)..... and ask yourself IF YOU DIDNT KNOW ABOUT MODS AND BOUGHT THIS GAME WOULD YOU FEEL LIKE YOU GOT YOUR MONEYS WORTH.

[LukeFF]

NKMSC_Zinbu: This is one I was sure was specifically Japanese, but out of 25 names I've assigned to the class I've found several that are close, if only one perfect match.

Zinbu Maru was built in the UK in 1894. Quite the old ship by the time WW2 rolled around.

[Ragtag]

Well you know you can put it another way - ie Ubisoft has releaed a game that addresses a particualr subject whereby its all too aware many players will want to modify the game in some way, for a variety of reasons - so Ubisoft simply tried to make a game thats relativly simple to modify. Afterall it may horigy you to learn that most gamers probably could'nt give a rats arse about WW2 uboats!

Why dont you say something useful or stop posting - Dont buy, or play the game if oits such a travesty for you - whatever stop filing the forum with you, you you -

Many of us are as annoyed as you about the way the game has gone, or the DRM or whatever - the differnece is we are trying to take whats left of the game to make it work - all you want to do is tell us all how anygry you are - thats nice but as your anger is not in a valid games format I dont want to play it

Instead of saying the game doent do this, try saying I have done that!

R

There's a huge difference in making a modable game and making a bugfeast. SH5 has loads of features that just doesn't work with several of them being a core in the game. There's no escuse for the bugs in this game.

[Athlonic]

Will the 1.2 patch run on my computer ?

:D

[Lord Justice]

Others seem to not speak honestly as they don't want to be removed from the credits...

Sir Reaves, a fine observation, and may i add, some do not seem inclined to rise until they see their friends in motion. Ahh the love of wolfpacks :know: Good Day.

[captainprid]

Did they give a time?? PM or AM

only I don't want to be sat on the toilet or doing something else embarassing when the end comes

[jwilliams]

Did they give a time?? PM or AM

only I don't want to be sat on the toilet or doing something else embarassing when the end comes


LOL :haha:

i thought you were talking about the patch until i got to the second to last word.
:har:

[Athlonic]

LOL :haha:

i thought you were talking about the patch until i got to the second to last word.
:har:


Same here !

:rotfl2:

[McHub532]

It's the 20th.. today is the day.. again. :)

[kriller2]

maybe the patch got stock in a airplane on it's way from Romania, because of the ashes from the vulcano? :har:

[ZeInfidel]

I'm afraid we'll have another "Patch 1.2 delayed till **/**/10" topic:)

[captainprid]

Should we start to laugh now ?



Or cry......:wah:

[Reece]

Here in Australia it's only 4hrs till the 21st!:yep:

[Turtle01]

Here in Australia it's only 4hrs till the 21st!:yep:

Australia Australia....we love you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA

By the way, where the patch ?

Greets
Turtle

[Krauter]

[Official Ubisoft Announcement]

Due to the volcanic eruption in Iceland, the ash is disrupting our Internet Connection.

*Please bear with us while the server synchronizes the patch*

Ubi Devs,

PS. It's 7am here.. wait a few hours maybe? Are they patching Romania time or Greenwich :s

[tonschk]

:salute: I am waiting for the patch here :woot:

[kriller2]

Should we start to laugh now ?

Yes or cry...

[captainprid]

No patch yet at 12.00 zulu

[McHub532]

I'm not anxious for the patch any longer... with TheDarkWraith's UI all snazied up I don't want to risk losing any of it because of a UbiPatch.

[java`s revenge]

[Official Ubisoft Announcement]

Due to the volcanic eruption in Iceland, the ash is disrupting our Internet Connection.

*Please bear with us while the server synchronizes the patch*

Ubi Devs,

PS. It's 7am here.. wait a few hours maybe? Are they patching Romania time or Greenwich :s


And you didn`t hear the lava is coming now :88)

[stellaferox]

Are there still people around who think that the world will end in 2012?

[Iron Budokan]

Sadly, yes.

[kylania]

Are there still people around who think that the world will end in 2012?

Multiple volcanoes erupting in Iceland spewing ash across Europe, 6.0+ earthquakes in Haiti, Turkey, Chile, Solomon Islands, Indonesia, China, Mexico, whatever the heck this (http://blog.muchmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/0709-justin-bieber-main.jpg) is and more! How can you still doubt the world is gonna end in a year and a half or so? :DL

[AS]

My girlfriend is surely going to miss the end of the world because she won´t be able to decide what to wear.

[Cap.Palla]

Someone just re-calculated the Maya prediction and they talked about 2025....maybe we are in time to see the 1.2 patch:arrgh!:

[doomlordis]

30p per minute! Anyway they said they did not expect the patch to be available today.

Not kidding this time.

[ddrgn]

I'm not anxious for the patch any longer... with TheDarkWraith's UI all snazied up I don't want to risk losing any of it because of a UbiPatch.

I can almost say 100% that all of the Darks mods will most likely not work until he updates them ;[ I hope he updates the Old Style Controls along with his other GUI's. I have been waiting for reapers GUI ;]

[Pumpkin]

Well done for ringing them - at that cost! :doh:

I don't understand why they don't communicate this information?

:down:

[Cap.Palla]

Thanks for the info doomlordis :wah:

[Ragtag]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if they didn't release it today. It would just be another disapointment from Ubisoft following their new customer policy :damn:

[severniae]

I really don't mind them taking their time, I'd rather they put out a good patch instead of a half baked rubbish one.

But I can't do with being told it'll be ready by one day, and then finding out because someone had to call them! If I ever left my customers hanging like this, and expected them to call me for updates then I'd have been out of business years ago!

If they're not sure when its coming out, why don't they just announce it on their website, and admit that there is a patch in the works, but they can't give a firm ETA. Surely that'd be much more acceptable than promising one day, and then not delivering!

[Topo65]

I can not understand the lack of communication and respect that Ubi has with its customers. There are times when the company seems to hate us or make fun of us.

:damn::damn::damn:

[Pumpkin]

Doomlordis you have to know more :) Any expected release date then ? Or are they not telling ? :)

That costs more than 30p a min.

[Johansen Housen]

Just want to note that the only thing remotely spectacular about 2012 is that the end of the mayan cyclic calendar coincides with the sun rising and setting along the galactic plane. This however is not going to "end our world" as our world is not going to be witness to any unknown enigmatic force capable of exceeding the speed of light to race to our solar system and cause some dramatic effect, thus destroying us all. Nothing is going to happen save for an awe inspiring cosmic event. Buy a telescope. Waiting on patch 2.

[Lord Justice]

30p per minute! Anyway they said they did not expect the patch to be available today.

Not kidding this time.If what you say is of truth sir, :hmmm: this situation ought not to remain. We should be informed to what is, as i apprehend some dissatisfaction shall arise. Afterall, it is our part to require an explanation, but given ? we so presume to adventure!! :doh: Good day.

[urfisch]

lol...this sounds familiar to me...anyone signs?

[fin1hoops]

Patch was finished and on board this aircraft en-route to London then this big black ash cloud.......:DL

[badaboom]

With the list of Bugs that will be addressed[hopefully]I really can't say I'm surprised,I'd just rather they took their time and did it right.

[doomlordis]

im getting fed up, i have the single core issue and was looking forward to seeing if Ubi had fixed it, i hate people who are not punctual, its poor manners.

[Turtle01]

In the german forum it´s offical, no patch for today :down:

[Athlonic]

Well,

It's confirmed on german forum.

Next week for the patch ... again ...


Pfffffffffffffffffff


Edit: Turtle01 : You beat me on this one, but I have got the top of the second page ^^
Edit2: danasan : owned ^^

[danasan]

Sorry, but

NO release today:

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3431013487/m/1481024458?r=5631097458#5631097458

UBI_Annick just a few moments ago:

Something like...

"No release today, we hoped for, but it did not work like that, can' t tell another date" (roughly translated).

danasan

[Lord Justice]

I really can't say I'm surprised,I'd just rather they took their time and did it right.I do so agree with a completed patch, of which hopefully shall more than warrant its worth. However, iam curious to know how much time you rather they ought to have ? for as much as iam desirous, in this instance, iam begining to be somewhat impatient. :stare: Good day.

[ChrisiHo]

Source :

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3431013487/m/1481024458/p/4

Post of UbiAnnick...

[KL-alfman]

Sorry, but

NO release today:

http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3431013487/m/1481024458?r=5631097458#5631097458

UBI_Annick just a few moments ago:

Something like...

"No release today, we hoped for, but it did not work like that, can' t tell another date" (roughly translated).

danasan


the second sentence:
"as soon as I know about a new release-date, I will let you know."

[Dowly]

Umm.. translation would propably be a good idea. :O:

[kylania]

Umm.. translation would propably be a good idea. :O:

Translation (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3431013487/m/1481024458%3Fr%3D5631097458&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhjf6oIftQJM-DqGCC11ybhQHIM-RQ#5631097458)

Basically: "We've been paid by you, we've shackled you with DRM, now we're gonna keep stringing you along for months constantly promising (but never delivering) to fix bugs and improve things while instead shifting our attention to the new Shawn White Snowboarding Robust Manual".

[robbo180265]

I'm kinda torn.

On the one hand I understand the Devs wanting to get it right. They've been crucified for the state of the game when released, and would no doubt be crucified again if the patch didn't cover the major issues.

So I understand the delay from their viewpoint, and to be honest I'm dreading losing the mods I have installed - so all cool there too.

On the other hand , once again I'm bleeding angry at Ubisoft's lack of customer care. Would it hurt them to make an announcement on the main SH5 forum?

It took me 3 maybe 4 mins to type this - they could copy and paste:damn:

Ahh well - I'll go reinstall my mods

[IanC]

Well knowing that there will be a very limited number of official patches released (maybe one more after this one), I wouldn't complain too much about how long it's taking. Simply means they're ironing more bugs out, let them work on it as long as possible imho.

[doomlordis]

Ubi are really beginning to annoy me, i have made excuses for them but the service they provide is frankly amateur. I dont mind waiting for a patch just DONT give dates then fail to deliver , good business practice 101...

[KL-alfman]

they hoped for a release on Monday or Tuesday but couldn't accomplish. as soon as a new date is known, they will let you know.
(translated)

[captainprid]

It is a disgrace that two times running Ubisoft have announced that the patch will not be released....ON THE DAY IS WAS DUE TO BE RELEASED!!

People are saying that it doesn't matter because they would prefer that it came out complete but I disagree, it should come out complete and on time. In fact, it should have come out when new complete.

People have been really patient waiting for this to come out. I have tried to see Ubi's point of view but this feels like a slap in the face. No communication and from what I can see, complete contempt for the paying public

[Reece]

According to Annick (UBI) it wont be released for atleast another week!:hmmm:
Edit: Posted same time as KL-alfman!!

[CutMe]

so... here in Thailand it is 9:36 pm ...20/5/10
how long should i wait for this bloody PATCH!
another week..... typical UBI work..good job..good job.. sailors are proud of you...
you didnt test the game at your homes UBI, now you are making us beg for the patch...
do we have any lawyer.. can we sue them?!

PS: btw, how long im gonna b a nub? eheeh

[darkfin]

From Babel Fish:

We did not have on release for Monday or Tuesday hoped, unfortunately fold now. As soon as I have new date, I let it know you. Many greetings, Annick

Bottom line, it ain't gonna happen today...

[kylania]

the second sentence:
"as soon as I know about a new release-date, I will let you know."

They've been saying that (or less) for nearly a month. :shifty:

[Topo65]

the second sentence:
"as soon as I know about a new release-date, I will let you know."

Very promising! :haha:

All right, gentlemen, nothing has happened here. Back to work! :DL

[IanC]

Ubi are really beginning to annoy me, i have made excuses for them but the service they provide is frankly amateur. I dont mind waiting for a patch just DONT give dates then fail to deliver , good business practice 101...

Never trust release dates, with anything. :lol:

[urfisch]

lol...and this was announced this afternoon....nice one, ubi. great stuff...

:yeah:

[KL-alfman]

They've been saying that (or less) for nearly a month. :shifty:


I just assume, that UBIannick (or whatever her name is) herself really doesn't know more ....
(would've been better to announce the release of patch1.2 but leave the date open)

[KL-alfman]

According to Annick (UBI) it wont be released for atleast another week!:hmmm:
Edit: Posted same time as KL-alfman!!


your efforts are of greater value, as German isn't your first-language (I suppose) :up:

[CutMe]

eheheh for you it is afernoon mate...
here in Thailand im waiting for this damn whole day!!!!
it is 9:44pm 20/5/10 still no patch... just heard... another week...

[thorn69]

(Comes home from a long day at work and no new contacts are reported)

Hmmm, that's strange... Maybe they're uploading it right now?! Lets check! :hmmm:

(Activates SHV Patch 1.2 Sonar) And.... Still no contacts to report! Damn! :doh:

(Crawls into bed and stares up at ceiling in disbelief)

THEY LIED TO ME!!!!!!! :wah:

[doomlordis]

Totally agree, i bet there is one spotty straight out of college "dev" sitting in the basement at Ubi still trying to work out how to reboard his boat in base so he can test the fu*%ing patch!

[CutMe]

good morning mate...
patch delayed for an another week...

[badaboom]

:haha:Translation (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3431013487/m/1481024458%3Fr%3D5631097458&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhjf6oIftQJM-DqGCC11ybhQHIM-RQ#5631097458)

Basically: "We've been paid by you, we've shackled you with DRM, now we're gonna keep stringing you along for months constantly promising (but never delivering) to fix bugs and improve things while instead shifting our attention to the new Shawn White Snowboarding Robust Manual".

LOL!!!!!! Thanks for a great laugh!!!! That is PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!!

[John Channing]

From another thread...

Obviously they have found some issues with the fixes that make it inelligible for release. Do you really think they get up every morning thinking of ways to upset you?

Both Subsim.com and the Ubi forums are already full of clever posters talking about how the new patch will probably be full of new bugs. So when they take some extra time to try to make sure this doesn't happen what is the reaction? People start complaining that they can't get a patch that clearly wasn't ready for release.

You can't have it both ways people. Either you can roast Ubisoft for rushing the game out in an incomplete fashion, or you can roast them for not rushing out a patch that would be in the same condition. Which is it?

Think it over and get back to me.

JCC