Patch No.2 - DELAYED 4/20/2010 [Master Thread]

[CutMe]

From another thread...

Obviously they have found some issues with the fixes that make it inelligible for release. Do you really think they get up every morning thinking of ways to upset you?

Both Subsim.com and the Ubi forums are already full of clever posters talking about how the new patch will probably be full of new bugs. So when they take some extra time to try to make sure this doesn't happen what is the reaction? People start complaining that they can't get a patch that clearly wasn't ready for release.

You can't have it both ways people. Either you can roast Ubisoft for rushing the game out in an incomplete fashion, or you can roast them for not rushing out a patch that would be in the same condition. Which is it?

Think it over and get back to me.

JCC

I think im not agree with this one, sorry mate. Because they shouldnt give a date if they cant do or make it! This is like to show the food to the dog and make him hungry but later take the food back before he eats!!! no need to say we are the dog, playing human is the UBI and food is patch
common!

anyway we all know that they didnt test the game or play.. i dont think so to be honest!!!! they just did it and served it!!!! and now they are playing with us!!!!

[doomlordis]

From another thread...

Obviously they have found some issues with the fixes that make it inelligible for release. Do you really think they get up every morning thinking of ways to upset you?

Both Subsim.com and the Ubi forums are already full of clever posters talking about how the new patch will probably be full of new bugs. So when they take some extra time to try to make sure this doesn't happen what is the reaction? People start complaining that they can't get a patch that clearly wasn't ready for release.

You can't have it both ways people. Either you can roast Ubisoft for rushing the game out in an incomplete fashion, or you can roast them for not rushing out a patch that would be in the same condition. Which is it?

Think it over and get back to me.

JCC

Stop giving release dates , simple.

[Fattysbox]

I mean so the patch is delayed. What the hell did you expect from Ubisoft? :roll:

Not only that, but I would rather have a later patch that fixes more bugs than an patch that doesn't fix much.

Let them have a month more I say if that makes a better game.

Everyone should quit their bitching :wah: - you will get you patch at some point.

[thorn69]

so... here in Thailand it is 9:36 pm ...20/5/10
how long should i wait for this bloody PATCH!
another week..... typical UBI work..good job..good job.. sailors are proud of you...
you didnt test the game at your homes UBI, now you are making us beg for the patch...
do we have any lawyer.. can we sue them?!

PS: btw, how long im gonna b a nub? eheeh


It's already May in Thailand? :doh:

[ddrgn]

I mean so the patch is delayed. What the hell did you expect from Ubisoft? :roll:

Not only that, but I would rather have a later patch that fixes more bugs than an patch that doesn't fix much.

Let them have a month more I say if that makes a better game.

Everyone should quit their bitching :wah: - you will get you patch at some point.

Nice, that means we can stay modded for another week ;]

[doomlordis]

Its attitudes like yours that will lead to the fall of modern western economic stability, div.

[CutMe]

It's already May in Thailand? :doh:

LOL sorry mate... not that late... 04 typo

[robbo180265]

And whilst we're ranting - how many "no patch" threads do we need?:rotfl2:

[IanC]

Like I said in another thread, let them take all the time in the world! Just means they're ironing out more bugs. Especialy when we know there will be a very limited amount of patches put out, maybe one more?
But I think the complaining is about release dates, and how they should be kept. I don't think that's much to complain about though.
Never trust release dates, about anything... :lol:

[janh]

If I were you, I wouldn't complain about a delayed patch. If they instead really put meat into that patch and correct a good many flaws and missing features of the game, you'd probably be happier with it. Patience pays off...

[Lord Justice]

It is a disgrace that two times running Ubisoft have announced that the patch will not be released....ON THE DAY IS WAS DUE TO BE RELEASED!!


No communication and from what I can see, complete contempt for the paying publicHere here, Iam trying so hard, and willing for my better to keep disciplined, to such a manner of calm. :damn: Afterall i am gratefull a patch is still being made. :yeah:

[loerelau]

Who says 2010? :)

[Faamecanic]

Like I said in another thread, let them take all the time in the world! Just means they're ironing out more bugs. Especialy when we know there will be a very limited amount of patches put out, maybe one more?
But I think the complaining is about release dates, and how they should be kept. I don't think that's much to complain about though.
Never trust release dates, about anything... :lol:

:agree: As much as Im ticked at UBI about releasing this sim half done...if they fix all the game stoppers, and most of the minor bugs...then fine. They can take another month for all I care.

Now if they need more time because they put 1 person part time on this, and the patch will only fix MAJOR bugs....shame on UBI.

[CutMe]

i.... want...patch!!!!
its sounds like now im looking patch relase dates more than game relase dates...
thanks ubi... is it me..or this is wrong :doh:

[oscar19681]

If I were you, I wouldn't complain about a delayed patch. If they instead really put meat into that patch and correct a good many flaws and missing features of the game, you'd probably be happier with it. Patience pays off...

I agree with you , but i dont understand we have to find out from the german forum that the patch was delayed on the release day? I mean its not even on there official site. Why this secrecy? I never felt this far away as a customer from a company ever before. I know many company,s would be out of business if they had the same non-communication policy UBI has. Really i thinks its way over the top. It makes me feel i,m actually working for them insted of paying there salery,s in the end. Or i could just simply say i,m not being treated like a customer should.

[CutMe]

NOT AGREED AT ALL

if they say a date! it must relase without any stupid things!!!

if they cant.. dont give a date!!!

i.... want...patch!!!!
its sounds like now im looking patch relase dates more than game relase dates...
thanks ubi... is it me..or this is wrong :doh:

[Feuer Frei!]

Do you really think they get up every morning thinking of ways to upset you?
JCC
Obviously some people do, in fact judging by the flooding of "patch" posts, a lot do! Falsely, might i add.

Because they shouldnt give a date if they cant do or make it!
and now they are playing with us!!!!
I'm sure they had the best intentions about giving a date of release....so they should apologise for giving out this date and rescind immediately?
And i think they have better things to do than play with their gaming customers! Seriously...

Stop giving release dates , simple.
As indicated above, bad Ubisoft (?) for giving a release date and then having to push that back because as J.C.C. said it wasn't obviously ready for release.
NOT bad Ubisoft.

Stop the flaming people, it's a fact of life, patch is late coming, deal with it.
Patience is a virtue.
How many other games out there based on different genres have had patches delayed, and worse, not released at all.
Be thankful that you are even getting a patch update at all!

[CutMe]

Obviously some people do, in fact judging by the flooding of "patch" posts, a lot do! Falsely, might i add.


I'm sure they had the best intentions about giving a date of release....so they should apologise for giving out this date and rescind immediately?
And i think they have better things to do than play with their gaming customers! Seriously...


As indicated above, bad Ubisofy for giving a release date and then having to push that back because as J.C.C. said it wasn't obviously ready for release.

Stop the flaming people, it's a fact of life, patch is late coming, deal with it.
Patience is a virtue.
How many other games out there based on different genres have had patches delayed, and worse, not released at all.
Be thankful that you are even getting a patch update at all!

I'm sure they had the best intentions about giving a date of release....so they should apologise for giving out this date and rescind immediately?
And i think they have better things to do than play with their gaming customers! Seriously... = yes they want to make us fool more! eehehehe
that can be the best intention!!!

[CutMe]

Who says 2010? :)

rumors...lol

[mookiemookie]

From another thread...

Obviously they have found some issues with the fixes that make it inelligible for release. Do you really think they get up every morning thinking of ways to upset you?

Both Subsim.com and the Ubi forums are already full of clever posters talking about how the new patch will probably be full of new bugs. So when they take some extra time to try to make sure this doesn't happen what is the reaction? People start complaining that they can't get a patch that clearly wasn't ready for release.

You can't have it both ways people. Either you can roast Ubisoft for rushing the game out in an incomplete fashion, or you can roast them for not rushing out a patch that would be in the same condition. Which is it?

Think it over and get back to me.

JCC
:agree:

There's no pleasing some people. No wonder Ubi stays silent on a lot of things.

[sofie_59]

I think that the patch will never be released... :damn:

[CutMe]

Here here, Iam trying so hard, and willing for my better to keep disciplined, to such a manner of calm. :damn: Afterall i am gratefull a patch is still being made. :yeah:


AHHAHAHA maybe they lie... no patches at all...maybe!!!
muahaha

[thorn69]

If I were you, I wouldn't complain about a delayed patch. If they instead really put meat into that patch and correct a good many flaws and missing features of the game, you'd probably be happier with it. Patience pays off...


Um, I doubt they've even lifted a finger to address this game. I think MANY folks are going to be sorely disappointed with this so called patch when, if ever, it gets submitted. IMHO, they basically forgot that they had to submit a patch for this game today and haven't done squat to resolve any of the game's issues. They have already delayed on this patch before. I'm expecting a whole new game at this point. Enough is enough! :arrgh!: When it smells like a turd and it looks like a turd - you have to finally man up and call it like it is - It's a turd!

I'm jumping ship at this point. UBI has let me down too many times and I'm sick of it. I was planning on buying Splinter Cell: Conviction but after reading some reviews on it and seeing that it too has this shoddy DRM also, forget it. UBI is no longer the company it used to be. It's one of the worst.

BTW, from the reviews on SC: Conviction - it's just as bad as Double Agent was. There are some new features (dumbed down made for consoles features IMO) but most of the good ones are gone. Bad guys find dead bodies and don't do anything about it. Retarded!

[CutMe]

OK guys... i know this is funny but i was thinking about this.....

MAYBE NO PATCHES AT ALL... they lied :rotfl2:

[Lord Justice]

Everyone should quit their bitching :wah: - you will get you patch at some point.You have your opinion, (as do others) so if you please sir, kindly refrain from telling pepole what they should do. Thank you. :cool:

[kylania]

Why this secrecy?

It's not secrecy, it's incompetence. There's simply no English language support for Silent Hunter 5. There's one part time moderator on the official forums, occasional visits from UK forum managers but they don't have any information and then the community director who has posted 4 times since the game came out, not one of the points on time. The UK web team isn't bad, the US web team are fools, and there's no forum team like the German forums have.

My bet is that the patch is being delayed due to the Russian language translation thing they added at the last moment.

[CutMe]

There's no pleasing some people. No wonder Ubi stays silent on a lot of things.[/QUOTE]


of course... they have NO face to talk!!!! have they?

[Ragtag]

Some people should really wake up and smell the horses ass. Get off your high horse and take a step into the world were everyone else is.
90% of those who buys games doesn't hang around in forums using mods or anything else fixing or alternating the game. SH5 has core issues within the game and customers should not have to wait months to use a product. It's that simple.

[kylania]

ON THE DAY a week and a day after the day it WAS DUE TO BE RELEASED!!

Fixed. :D

[Diopos]

...
Obviously they have found some issues with the fixes that make it inelligible for release.
...
JCC

Yeahp. Ubi just found it doesn't have a permanent connection to the developers!



:)

[TheDarkWraith]

things could be worse :yep:

[Feuer Frei!]

Nice, that means we can stay modded for another week ;]
Now see, that is turning a negative into a positive! :up:
I like that, makes a nice change...
As the old saying goes:
"In everything bad there is also some good"

[CutMe]

Some people should really wake up and smell the horses ass. Get off your high horse and take a step into the world were everyone else is.
90% of those who buys games doesn't hang around in forums using mods or anything else fixing or alternating the game. SH5 has core issues within the game and customers should not have to wait months to use a product. It's that simple.

YES!!! why i have to wait the patches to play the game!!!

[Ragtag]

From another thread...

Obviously they have found some issues with the fixes that make it inelligible for release. Do you really think they get up every morning thinking of ways to upset you?

Both Subsim.com and the Ubi forums are already full of clever posters talking about how the new patch will probably be full of new bugs. So when they take some extra time to try to make sure this doesn't happen what is the reaction? People start complaining that they can't get a patch that clearly wasn't ready for release.

You can't have it both ways people. Either you can roast Ubisoft for rushing the game out in an incomplete fashion, or you can roast them for not rushing out a patch that would be in the same condition. Which is it?

Think it over and get back to me.

JCC

If they released and sold the game when it was complete we wouldn't need a patch now would we?... doh!

[Nico09]

Obviously some people do, in fact judging by the flooding of "patch" posts, a lot do! Falsely, might i add.


I'm sure they had the best intentions about giving a date of release....so they should apologise for giving out this date and rescind immediately?
And i think they have better things to do than play with their gaming customers! Seriously...


As indicated above, bad Ubisoft (?) for giving a release date and then having to push that back because as J.C.C. said it wasn't obviously ready for release.
NOT bad Ubisoft.

Stop the flaming people, it's a fact of life, patch is late coming, deal with it.
Patience is a virtue.
How many other games out there based on different genres have had patches delayed, and worse, not released at all.
Be thankful that you are even getting a patch update at all!

Im sorry I cant believe you said that :damn:. I PAID GOOD MONEY to play this game that is BUGGED, that was released bugged. Either the game should not have been released at the time it was or wait for it to be Patched. I EXPECT a patch for bugged game simple as that, otherwise i would consuder UBI having commited fraud by releasing a game that does not work properly unless it is fixed by Modders.:nope:

[captainprid]

Some people should really wake up and smell the horses ass. Get off your high horse and take a step into the world were everyone else is.
90% of those who buys games doesn't hang around in forums using mods or anything else fixing or alternating the game. SH5 has core issues within the game and customers should not have to wait months to use a product. It's that simple.

Here Here!!!

[Feuer Frei!]

If they released and sold the game when it was complete we wouldn't need a patch now would we?... doh!
But that's not the case, so let's not imagine or dream or reminisce about what should have happened,
hindsight is a luxury,
here we are, awaiting a patch update....
nothing wrong with that, plus, it's reality.

[cwil757]

any minute now...........*cricket*.............*cricket*..... ..............

[oscar19681]

any minute now...........*cricket*.............*cricket*..... ..............

Uhm last thing i heard was another week. DELAYED!

[Cap.Palla]

UBI headquarter has a most important problem to solve:

http://news.bigdownload.com/2010/04/19/ubisoft-goes-green-with-pc-dvd-cases-made-of-recycled-material/

:hmmm:

[ReallyDedPoet]

things could be worse :yep:

much worse :yep:

The sun will still rise and set today.

[oscar19681]

Since they delayed the patch and UBI never communicates with us i was wondering what you think made the patch be delayed? More bug fixes? Adding missing stuff? Or just some stupid thing such as another language thing?

[Faamecanic]

If UBI built a Sports car:

Here is your NEW SPORTS CAR. Sure looks Pretty dont it! :yeah:

Oh we didnt have budget or schedule to finish the engine, so we installed 2 cycle mower engine that has a top speed of 20 mph.

But we installed the engine mounts, electrical, and fuel system for a V-12... and we know all you talented car buffs will be able to build it like we intended.

Oh and occasionally the transmission will go in reverse and crash you into a wall or other drivers. But we left the software open for modders to fix the bug that causes that..so that shouldnt be an issue.

And one more thing.... instead of a stearing wheel we welded on a metal disc to interface with. Yes yes....we know you dont like the way it looks...but hey...It works right. We made it so its easily removed and you can put on a new steering wheel with leather circumference that fits the car better.

Once the car modders get done....watch out Ferrari...we have one hot car to sell.

Wait.... why isnt anyone buying our car? Must be a niche market for this car...lets go make more console games.

:rotfl2::har: I crack myself up.

[Feuer Frei!]

much worse :yep:

The sun will still rise and set today.

Bingo, top of the class.

[Westbroek]

All My Mods still work for another week!!!! :rock:

How's the song go? "Always look on the bright...side of life."
They'll release the patch when it's ready. SH5 is playable as is. Just not polished is all. The polish will come in time...
Also, it's worth considering that this patch is probably not going to turn SH5 into a shining example of perfection either. It's not the end of the world, and I can wait to have all my mods broken. I like my mods. Everyone's done a great job. Cheers guys, and Happy 4/20.

[thorn69]

Do yourselves a favor folks. Go out and buy a PS3 or Xbox 360 and start buying those games. They are made much better than PC games and that's where the developers and production company's focus is these days. The PC market is dead pretty much. Very few companies develop "for PC only" games anymore and most of those games are lame pixel hunt/point and click games.

I hate consoles as much as the next PC guy does, but after today, I have to be honest with myself and realize that what I want doesn't matter... It's what the rest of the world wants - and that's consoles unfortunately. So, today I'm going to go out and buy a PS3 and get my game entertainment high off on that. At least I know the games on it work and the DRM on them is light if non-existent since those types of games are next to impossible for pirates to steal.

I am not looking forward to mashing buttons and using button combos to pull off simple features that one button on a keyboard could do, but I will be able to breath easy knowing that my game will work and be considered a high priority game to the company that makes it. It's apparent to me that Silent Hunter 5 has been put on the back-burner at UBISoft because they have other "high priority" games they are working/focusing on. Most of them are console games. Time to face reality folks. Would you rather play console games on the PC where they feel sloppy and broken or on the actual console the games are developed for? I've noticed in recent years that most of the games I buy on the PC really suck. They feel sloppy, rushed, and feel like they'd be better played on a console. That's because they were developed for the console! The reviews for those games on the PC are horrible, but on the console they are rated high.

[IanC]

of course... they have NO face to talk!!!! have they?

:o scary...

[Westbroek]

Well, this is only going to stir up endless speculation and there's probably no way of knowing (short of Dan shining the godly light of Ubi knowledge upon us, which is probably unlikely), but I'm praying they're taking the time to fix the stadimeter. :haha:
Can you imagine how great it would be to use that thing?

[Bilge_Rat]

could be many reasons, software is complex. A fix they put in may not work as expected, may create other bugs, beta testers may have seen a last minute issue, it may have taken more time than expected to code various fixes, etc.

since it appears to have popped up at the last minute, I am leaning more to a bug fix not working as expected or beta testers seeing a new unexpected side effect.

I worked as a beta tester before and you would be amazed how many issues are only spotted at the last minute, even with the best of intentions.

[Justin Case]

Probably haven't started working on it yet....:D

[Seeadler]

The patch is so heavy and must be delivered to the Ubisoft headquarter in Paris for final testing by air cargo, but everyone know, the european air space is limited these days:rotfl2:

[thorn69]

Probably haven't started working on it yet....:D


Agreed! I bet they haven't done anything to fix the game. There's just no funds for them to fix something for free that few people find to be an enjoyable game. The game was a flop from day 1 and UBI has other "high priority" games that it's focusing on. Silent Hunter 5 is not a priority at all. I won't be surprised if the patch is just canceled flat out.

[Justin Case]

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/ver1.3.5.2147483647/platform_images/blank.gif (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/8261009648?r=4641097458#4641097458) Posted Tue April 20 2010 07:24 Tue April 20 2010 07:24 Hide Post (javascript:void(0);) It's official, it's not coming out anytime soon:

Ubi's statement of no patch release (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3431013487/m/1481024458%3Fr%3D5631097458&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhjf6oIftQJM-DqGCC11ybhQHIM-RQ#5631097458)

The "no longer being released" is a mistranslation of "not being released as promised, no ETA" (paraphrased).

Might as well just close this thread and surprise us if it ever comes out... this is just getting dumb.

[IanC]

Do yourselves a favor folks. Go out and buy a PS3 or Xbox 360 and start buying those games.

No, never.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7566/lukevaderendor.jpg

[Westbroek]

Well then it's time to start modding again! Woo hoo!
Let's get in there boys! :salute:

[Fattysbox]

You have your opinion, (as do others) so if you please sir, kindly refrain from telling pepole what they should do. Thank you. :cool:


As for my opinion and my stance on telling people what they should or shouldn't do... Too bad. I'm still going to voice my opinion on what everyone SHOULD do.

Stop the bitchin' and get some reality in those heads folks. This game is broken with major issues. A patch being delayed a week or a month will only clean the surface issues at best.

The awesome modders, however, are totally in-tune on the situation and will ultimately save this game, NOT a patch from ubisoft. Ever go over to the SH5 mod section? Its amazing (and refreshing) the lack of complaining. As opposed to the main forum where every other thread is... :shifty:

[Nico09]

If UBI built a Sports car:

Here is your NEW SPORTS CAR. Sure looks Pretty dont it! :yeah:

Oh we didnt have budget or schedule to finish the engine, so we installed 2 cycle mower engine that has a top speed of 20 mph.

But we installed the engine mounts, electrical, and fuel system for a V-12... and we know all you talented car buffs will be able to build it like we intended.

Oh and occasionally the transmission will go in reverse and crash you into a wall or other drivers. But we left the software open for modders to fix the bug that causes that..so that shouldnt be an issue.

And one more thing.... instead of a stearing wheel we welded on a metal disc to interface with. Yes yes....we know you dont like the way it looks...but hey...It works right. We made it so its easily removed and you can put on a new steering wheel with leather circumference that fits the car better.

Once the car modders get done....watch out Ferrari...we have one hot car to sell.

Wait.... why isnt anyone buying our car? Must be a niche market for this car...lets go make more console games.

:rotfl2::har: I crack myself up.


ROFLMAO :rotfl2::har: :|\\

[Lord Justice]

i was wondering what you think made the patch be delayed? Sir Oscar, i sometimes present myself at your door (PM). so iam content to be silent to you at this point, speculation is my weak point, friend. ;) Good Day.

[John Channing]

OK.. so I understand the rules some of you are playing by.

Ubisoft doesn' communicate: BAD UBISOFT

Ubisoft tries, in good faith, to communicate: BAD UBISOFT

Ubisoft releases software before it is ready: BAD UBISOFT

Ubisoft doesn't release software before it is ready: BAD UBISOFT

Have I pretty much got that right?

JCC

[wingtip]

I didnt buy sh5 after reading all the reports before release day and i have to say its funny (yet sad at the same time) hearing everyone complain about how much of a bugfest it actually is. Everyone knew it was going to be a turd yet everyone closed their eyes like they were difusing a bomb by making a decision on the red or blue wire, hoping the game would be fine once they cracked the box open, when in fact it blew up in their face.

Someone mentioned we shouldnt pay for half finished games but this is how the gaming world seems to work when it comes to pc's and shouldnt be a suprise to anyone anymore... But buy a console game off the shelf and they work as advertised... It does make it hard to understand why they cant release a pc product that works as touted...

I just dont know why you guys are all suprised and worked up on this when we all knew the condition of the game... you purchased it, so you have to deal with the slowwww fixes, if any. I really really wanted a new sh sim but based on the bugs and the drm issue i just flat refused to buy and now im glad after reading so many threads on how bad it actually is....glad i still have 3,4sh to tinker with.
I wish you all the best and hope modders come to the rescue .... i'll join you guys sometime if when things ever get sorted....

[SteamWake]

So much angst over a game... good lord :doh:

Did you guys really expect Ubi to hit a hard target for cryin out loud. :haha:

[John Channing]

YES!!! why i have to wait the patches to play the game!!!

Oh fer cryin" out loud... you don't! Enough with the hyperbole.

Lots of people (me included) are playing it just fine as it is. There is absolutely no reason you can't.

In fact I am rather pleased as I have a very nice convoy in my sights and I would hate to lose it at this point.

JCC

[Lord Justice]

As for my opinion and my stance on telling people what they should or shouldn't do... Too bad. I'm still going to voice my opinion on what everyone SHOULD do.

Stop the bitchin' and get some reality in those heads folks. Come sir yield. If you must, shoot your ordanance of what should be!! Arc it away from my position. :stare:

[severniae]

OK.. so I understand the rules some of you are playing by.

Ubisoft doesn' communicate: BAD UBISOFT

Ubisoft tries, in good faith, to communicate: BAD UBISOFT

Ubisoft releases software before it is ready: BAD UBISOFT

Ubisoft doesn't release software before it is ready: BAD UBISOFT

Have I pretty much got that right?

JCC

I think you just hit the nail on the head. The masses are already getting their pitchforks ready just to get in on the angry mob action!

[Sailor Steve]

The only good UBIsoft is a dead UBIsoft!

Just gettin' into the spirit of things.

[pythos]

Far be it for me to jump onto the "let's bash Ubisoft & Silent Hunter 5" crowd, I find that you have really screwed up.

I have enjoyed playing the Silent Hunter series, and granted it is not a huge money maker like first person shooters, I think it is a series that should be fostered and improved.

You broke so much ground with SH3, it was the first sub sim where I truly felt like a captain.

Sh4 was a let down, due to bad quality control on your part.

Now Silent Hunter 5 comes and once again a ground breaker, but it is also rife with some serious bugs.

Now you do something that is so much a kick in the face of those that have been loyal to the series.

For no given reason you have delayed the 2nd patch. This has spawned several stupid "unbisoft is never coming out with the patch" threads at the forums. Frankly I think these threads are deserved. Why do you ask?

Because, you fail to provide a reason for this delay. We of the subsim community are not for the most part people that get a kick out of a game that requires little skill or even thinking. We simply wont be satisfied with a message saying the patch is delayed.

Good customer service would "we are sorry to announce that the patch for silent hunter five is delayed due to these reasons....., " and then go on and explain why the patch is delayed. We will understand I am sure.

SH5 is in a condition that shows quality control was very lacking. You have given us development tools to facilitate modding, but you provided very little documentation on how to use it.

I am starting to think about many here that Sh5 was the space shuttle of the silent hunter series (so few know that the shuttle was actually meant to kill the manned space program) It has all the signs it was mean to fail.

Delaying the patch with no good explanation is just re-enforcing that notion.

[Turtle01]

OK.. so I understand the rules some of you are playing by.

Ubisoft doesn' communicate: BAD UBISOFT

Ubisoft tries, in good faith, to communicate: BAD UBISOFT

Ubisoft releases software before it is ready: BAD UBISOFT

Ubisoft doesn't release software before it is ready: BAD UBISOFT

Have I pretty much got that right?

JCC

Communicate ? when ? and what ?

Today : No patch today maybe next week and good bye

that´s all what Ubi say. No reason why, no news what we can
expect etc. I´m sorry but in my point of view this is no communication to
coustomers. Especially after a grand mistake to relase a product that is not
finished, and this not for the first time.

This is simple a bad managment.

Greets
Turtle

[daft]

OK.. so I understand the rules some of you are playing by.

Ubisoft doesn' communicate: BAD UBISOFT

Ubisoft tries, in good faith, to communicate: BAD UBISOFT

Ubisoft releases software before it is ready: BAD UBISOFT

Ubisoft doesn't release software before it is ready: BAD UBISOFT

Have I pretty much got that right?

JCC

That seems correct. In general I think it is time for us as consumers to own up and take some responsibility for our own actions. We live in a world where information is easy to come by. There are plenty of reviews, previews various opinions formulated by individuals on forums such as these, yet many of us still rush out on release day to get the game just to get what we want before it is even available. Preferably for free. I think it is plain for all to see that there are quite a few out there, both reviewers and forumites, that dislike SH5. Isn't it our obligation to bother to do some sort of research before we purchase something instead of just running out getting it and then throw a dozen tantrums a day because you feel "cheated" out of something? I struggle a bit with understanding that mentality.

For the record, I enjoy the game without a single mod.

[daft]

Communicate ? when ? and what ?

Today : No patch today maybe next week and good bye

that´s all what Ubi say. No reason why, no news what we can
expect etc. I´m sorry but in my point of view this is no communication to
coustomers. Especially after a grand mistake to relase a product that is not
finished, and this not for the first time.

This is simple a bad managment.

Greets
Turtle

You purchased a game from a company that you claim have a track record of bad management and miss-communication, and now you are pissed at them?

[IanC]

Communicate ? when ? and what ?

Today : No patch today maybe next week and good bye

that´s all what Ubi say. No reason why, no news what we can
expect etc. I´m sorry but in my point of view this is no communication to
coustomers. Especially after a grand mistake to relase a product that is not
finished, and this not for the first time.

This is simple a bad managment.

Greets
Turtle

Ubi hasn't given a reason for the delay? Well then if that's the case they've dropped the ball (yet again).
Just tell the people why the patch is delayed, geeshh. Everybody would accept reasons like they're still ironing out the bugs. Who the heck is in charge of the PR over there anyways...

[Salvadoreno]

good post and agreed... I dont even have the game, but i have SH3 and SH4 and Sh3 was good, SH4 was bug ridden, and SH5 seems to be completely screwed. I feel that this is the way the gaming market is going lately, especially for PCs. Addons and sequels seem far more buggier than the last. Another example of this is the Total War series. Its too bad.

At least the modding community will prob turn Sh5 into a 9/10 game. But we'll just have to wait. All the tools are there so there is still promise. I definately wont be buying till the price drops to about 10 bucks, and by then im sure the mods will be out full force.

[bigboywooly]

beta testers may have seen a last minute issue

:o Ubi has beta testers

[severniae]

In fairness, I can't remember buying any software that worked perfectly from version 1.00 straight out of the box. And I'm not just talking about games. I think this is just the way that the PC software market works.

And I think almost every game community comes up in arms exactly like this one every time it happens. I think its just about right to move with the times and accept that this is the way it is going to be. I personally don't give the PC game market more than another 5 years. It always used to be the case that people bought high-spec PC's and games because they always looked better than their console counterparts. However this seems to have ended, we're now in a world that the PC version and the XBOX version not only look, but play in exactly the same way. The only thing that the console users miss out on is mods, and to be fair the average console user doesn't really know they exist, so doesn't miss them! (and who knows that the next generation of consoles will bring....)

I love PC gaming, have been a PC games since before I remember, and its such a sad state that the PC games industry has gotten itself into. :cry:

[robbo180265]

Come sir yield. If you must, shoot your ordanance of what should be!! Arc it away from my position. :stare:

I do love your command of the English language 4Para. Whatever you write - it always makes me smile:up:

[Uber Gruber]

It's a simple case of managing the clients expectancy. They even have names for them in the real world....Customer Relationship Manager for example.

The reaction to mismanaged expectancy encountered here is very normal, for humans anyhow. There's no point trying to have a go at people who are frustrated by bad expectancy management....it wont make them feel better. No, the only thing that makes customers feel better is good expectancy management.

There, I give you that one for free. Will there be anythig else ?

Cheers, UG.

[IanC]

I personally don't give the PC game market more than another 5 years.

Just a quick comment on that, as long as people had computers on their desks, there were games to play on it. Don't worry, there'll be games for computers long after we're both dead.
It's just in a bit of a slump now.

[severniae]

Is 4Para Brian Blessed in disguise? I swear I could imagine Brian saying that....

[kylania]

much worse :yep:

The sun will still rise and set today.

Not if it stays cloudy! :nope: (Forgot to wear a coat today and it's raining... bleh)

[Uber Gruber]

My son got a Playstation 3 the other day.....its quite pretty.

In the interests of getting with the times I bought Battlefield 2 Bad Company. I had such a ball playing Battlefield 2 on the PC, and still play it using the Project Reality mod (excellent mod by the way).

I got bored of the Playstation version after 10 minutes. It doesn't come across as a serious gaming platform in my humble oppinion. The controls are not very responsive or accurate....but I did like the 5.1 sound.

If consoles are the future of gaming then i'm gonna get some fishing rods and a deck chair.

Cheers, UG.

[severniae]

One can only hope!

[Westbroek]

Fishing Rocks!! The surround sound is way better than any 5.1 system in my opinion. I feel the same way...put a controller in my hand and I feel like I'm wasting time. :haha:
If I'm playing SH5, I can delude myself into feeling productive :salute:

[Athlonic]

OT:

Ubisoft forums are down. (EDIT up again but slow)

Strange isn't it ?

Too many complainers posting awfull threads at once ? :D

And just when I saw a "OSP & Server Downtime (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5181026566/m/3371058458)" thread by a forum admin...

[The General]

OK.. so I understand the rules some of you are playing by.

Ubisoft releases software before it is ready: BAD UBISOFT

Have I pretty much got that right?

JCCNo, you haven't got it right. It actually goes a little something like this:

Ubisoft continually releases software before it's ready: NO MORE UBISOFT

This further delay may have something to do with the eruption in Iceland.

Or.

Ubisoft have finally learnt their lesson and are allowing the Devs to finish their work.

This delay of course means that this will definitely be the last Patch for Silent Hunter 5: Battle of the Atlantic :yep:

[naval_noob]

I wonder if it is because of the volcano....:rock:

[John Channing]

The only good UBIsoft is a dead UBIsoft!

Just gettin' into the spirit of things.

GIVE ME PATCH, OR GIVE ME DEATH!


Hey, you're right... this is fun!

JCC

[Mithrandir]

Hi all,
I think that all we can say is that Ubisoft has shown very poor planning management abilities... At first becaues they were forced to release something unfinished for commercial considerations (schedule elongation?), and at second because they have no idea of the time required for the planned SW fixing activities. That's all.
I think they have no bad intentions, the developers are probably very good (you have to be more than good in programming to produce such a SW), the same probably can not be said about their management... It is a quite common problem, in my opinion! :)

Bye,
Mith

[Takao]

Not strange at all that the Ubi servers are down.

Everyone is logging in to complain about the missed patch date, and that crashed the server. Ubi will probably claim another DDOS attack....

[Westbroek]

We'll have to pry the patch... From Their COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!
Let's Tread on them!
:haha:
I'm really to laid back to be a revolutionary...looking forward to hearing the new fixes though.

[Takao]

Yeah, US!

[msxyz]

In fairness, I can't remember buying any software that worked perfectly from version 1.00 straight out of the box.You didn't buy software in pre internet era.

And before someone comes out and says "oh but software wasn't so complex", let me point that developing tools scaled with complexity so, actually it's much more easier to code and add content nowadays than 10 or 20 years ago when developers, aside from some compiler, had nothing to begin with.

You could count the bugs in complex and content rich games like Ultima 6,7 or Civilization (just to name a few) on the fingers of one hand.

The same could be said about consoles. Patches spread only with these generation of consoles. In the past, every bug that slipped QA was there to stay and game developers got very bad rep from that.

How many gamers are old enough to remember the Bethesda "Buggerfall" fiasco? To be fair, Daggerfall was relatively bug free, if compared to the state of some software (even blockbusters) that gets shipped today.

Maybe software publishers are lucky that today generation of gamers is relatively ignorant of how things were in the past. But to the 30-something generation, the "release today, fix later" politic is complete, utter crap.

[SteamWake]

I think they delay it just to foster forum traffic and help with the per clicks sponsers :haha:

Oh that and just to piss you off. :salute:

[The General]

Hi all,
I think that all we can say is that Ubisoft has shown very poor planning management abilities...Once upon a time, in the long-suffering land of Romania, Ubisoft (in the Ivory Tower) called down to the poor people (The Devs) in the village at the base of the gleaming tower and asked how much time & money they'd need to produce another sequel in the Silent Hunter franchise. The Devs thought about it long and hard and gave them an answer. Ubisoft listened to their reply with a stern face, told them to cut both time & money by half or they'd lose their jobs and be unable feed their families....The End.

[msxyz]

No, never.

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7566/lukevaderendor.jpg

:har::har::har:

Well, now that even consoles can download and install patches, say welcome to the new trend of releasing unfinished and buggy games! :salute:

[Commie]

Once upon a time, in the long-suffering land of Romania, Ubisoft (in the Ivory Tower) called down to the poor people (The Devs) in the village at the base of the gleaming tower and asked how much time & money they'd need to produce another sequel in the Silent Hunter franchise. The Devs thought about it long and hard and gave them an answer. Ubisoft listened to their reply with a stern face, told them to cut both time & money by half or they'd lose their jobs and be unable feed their families in the long-suffering land of Romania....The End.

Yeah well in Romania they have a recent history of overthrowing their nasty overlords! Maybe the devs should run amok? ;)

[Lord Justice]

I think they delay it just to foster forum traffic and help with the per clicks sponsers :haha:

This remark i find very pleasing. Good stuff :up:

[janh]

GIVE ME PATCH, OR GIVE ME DEATH!

Hey, you're right... this is fun!

JCC

I like this one... Well, people should be more patient, and yes, Ubisoft could only do a better job at public relations and communicate the true reason for the delay (they hardly could do worse; maybe are again think of ways to attribute the delay to a pirate DDos attack again or so...). But maybe the devs will thus get the opportunity to deliver a ground breaking patch at least (not that this is equal to saying they released a pretty poor &/or buggy game in first place...). But maybe they are just implementing and upgraded scheme of the OSP-DRM in the exe instead to make the cracks useless again...

[janh]

In fairness, I can't remember buying any software that worked perfectly from version 1.00 straight out of the box.

I guess you still a little younger, are you?

[The General]

Yeah well in Romania they have a recent history of overthrowing their nasty overlords! Maybe the devs should run amok? ;)"Rise and rise again. Until lambs become lions." - Robin Hood

"A little revolution now & then is a healthy thing." -Captain Marko Ramius

[Sailor Steve]

"A little revolution now & then is a healthy thing." -Captain Marko Ramius
Actually Thomas Jefferson said that way back in 1786.
http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer/letter.html

[cwil757]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cwil757 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1366599#post1366599)
any minute now...........*cricket*.............*cricket*..... ..............

oscar19681 ------->Uhm last thing i heard was another week. DELAYED!



hmmmmmmm... I havent seen anything though it wouldn't be a shock. anyone hear or see anything credible?

[Nisgeis]

You didn't buy software in pre internet era.

There were buggy games released back then, so things weren't all that different. I can think of several tape loading games that couldn't be finished and two that couldn't be started or would crash. The way round it was to enter the correct POKEs, so not only did you have to wait for the patch, it would often be a community patch and... you'd have to type the patch loader in yourself from the magazine if it wasn't a poke or you didn't have the right hardware like a Multiface. Thankfully you don't have to type in 486 Megs worth of patch these days.

[Arclight]

I'd say the fact it's not here yet speaks for itself. Don't know how long the delay is, but it's not gonna make April 20th. :-?

[kemeri]

Good news.
Let them work ...

[daft]

Good news.
Let them work ...

You, Sir, are an Oasis of wisdom in a desert of madness. :salute::sunny:

[subsimlee]

Not hearing too much from the Ubi and dev cheerleaders now, huh....

[John Channing]

Is that kind of comment really necessary. What exactly do you hope to accomplish with that kind of remark?

Seriously, I would really like to understand the intent of that post. Was it to sneer at other people. Was it to try to insult people? Was it intended to make you feel superior?

JCC

ps: Perhaps the reason you are not hearing from the " Ubi and dev cheerleaders" is that A) they are adults who have jobs and are at work, B) they understand the adult concept that it is better to wait for something to be done correctly and C) they are adult enought to be enjoying the game as it is. Notice a theme running through those three points?

[gimpy117]

it's 4/20 they're prolly high

[SabreHawk]

it's 4/20 they're prolly high

Isn't everybody?
And if they aint, they oughtta be.............:O:

I know a lot of folks on this and UBI's forums could use a good stoner......:D

[theglenlivet12]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6HAZUkPS7odddM:http://liquidnitrogen.us/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/super_mario_bros_1280x960.jpg

Bug free 25 years and counting


Fix't.

[Kptlt_Lynch]

Yeah, I could care less about some deadline. I'd rather have a functional patch. They rushed the game, lets not add insult to injury.

[Iron Budokan]

Do yourselves a favor folks. Go out and buy a PS3 or Xbox 360 and start buying those games.

Not in this lifetime. But, thanks, anyway. ;)

[mookiemookie]

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:6HAZUkPS7odddM:http://liquidnitrogen.us/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/super_mario_bros_1280x960.jpg

Bug free 15 years and counting

Eh...

http://www.trsrockin.com/smb_glitches.html

And it came out in '85. Not '95. :03:

[Kptlt_Lynch]

Seriously.... the Devs must think their building games for a bunch of PMS'd women. It's getting sad around here.

[TheBeast]

I am starting to lean in the direction of Itchy's post below. I pre-ordered "Age of Conan" and got screwed. Swore I would never pre-order again but ended up placing pre-order on SH5 and guess what. Yeah, that is correct. Same Story and I should have known better since I beta tested SH4 and my first 2 bugs I found (within minutes of use) and reported were "NEVER" fixed by UbiSoft. Instead, it is fixed by a MOD. Props rotating in wrong direction, hmmm. DEV's tried telling me it was an optical illusion. I STOPPED testing my first day within hours of starting and didn't even consider buying SH4. The only reason I have SH4 is, "it was giving to me" in December, 2009. Out of box with patches, no MODs, SH4 still sucks so I am not really expecting ANYTHING from Ubi on this next patch.
All I can tell myself is "Lesson Learned". I will never pre-order anything and I will not buy off shelf until I can confirm a software package quality is worth invetigating. Either by grape-vine or TRUSTED reviewer who hasn't lost integrity of being bought. It is my opinion someone paid for some of the SH5 reviews because in light if playing the SH5 game, some reviews set expectations that never materialised.

I think Patch v1.2 is UbiSoft's attempt at a April fool's joke that was delayed, and delayed again due to unforseen issue's.

[cwil757]

it's like finding out there is no real santa all over again..........:wah:

[The General]

I beta tested SH4 and my first 2 bugs I found (within minutes of use) and reported were "NEVER" fixed by UbiSoft. Instead, it is fixed by a MOD. Props rotating in wrong direction? I was told by the Devs not to worry about it, that it was just an optical illusion :hmmm:.Are you serious? You were an Official Beta Tester for SH4?! :o You live in the U.S? Was it farmed out to certain members of this Community or did you work for Ubisoft America?

Was there a similar open Beta test for SH5?

How long before the realease deadline did you report the two bugs you mentioned? This is the first time I've seen any Intel from actually inside the production of one of these games. What else have you got? I'm ALL ears.

[IanC]

Same Story and I should have known better since I beta tested SH4 and my first 2 bugs I found (within minutes of use) and reported were "NEVER" fixed by UbiSoft.

If what you're saying is true, that would explain alot. They don't listen to their own beta-testers... wonderful.
I was never big on conspiracy theories, but I can just imagine it now; beta-testers report on a multitude of bugs, devs ask for more time to fix them, the Big Boss says screw it, time is money, ship it out anyways.
No wonder people are upset.

[TheBeast]

Are you serious? You were an official Beta tester for Sh4?! :o
How long before the realease deadline did you report the two bugs you mentioned?
Honestly, I really don't remember. I dropped SH4 and ran as if it were ready to explose and I never went back until December, 2009. I don't even know when it released.
I retired from the software industry a couple years later where I worked as a Software Test Engineer / Network Designer (MCSE, MCP, NCP, hmmm, heck I don't even remeber all my certifications anymore).

[Darkhat]

Feuer Frei Do you own the game? And to others; I will express my feelings...

Do you know how it is having to be online to play all the time?

Do you know it is not having hydrophone and hydrophone info?

Do you know how it is without depth under keel and without compass?

Do you know how it is to not be able to set rudder other than 1,25, manually?

Do you know how pain-in-the-ass it is to buy the game, not be able to play it for 3 days because the DRM servers are down, and then just to discover that the game is unplayabale because of the bugs? And then wait 1 month for a patch, and then 1 week, and then one another week, and then it is set to undetermined release?

It's such a pain-in-the-ass. And YES, i put the blame on YOU ubisoft.

It's almost comedic tragedic. But it isn't.

[PL_Andrev]

Better have patch leter than have no patch.

Do your job Ubi, I hope that finally we will be happy with SH5 1.2...

[subsimlee]

I've been a cheerleader for this sim in the past myself but it's just been beaten out of me by the treatment we as paying customers of the gendre have received. I can't understand why some are outraged at the gentle dig I made but will just go on making allowances for the treatment of a major corporation that should be mature and right full up with adults.

[mookiemookie]

Seriously.... the Devs must think their building games for a bunch of PMS'd women. It's getting sad around here.

A-MEN.

[Nisgeis]

ps: Perhaps the reason you are not hearing from the " Ubi and dev cheerleaders" is that A) they are adults who have jobs and are at work, B) they understand the adult concept that it is better to wait for something to be done correctly and C) they are adult enought to be enjoying the game as it is. Notice a theme running through those three points?

You can't fool me by repeating the same word three times, the theme is 'the alphabet' right?

[PL_Andrev]

Hahahaha!

I'm patient...
I was right to not purchase SH5 before patch 1.4 will be release ... and the price of SH5 is still growing down...
:yeah:

[The General]

Honestly, I really don't remember...heck I don't even remember all my certifications anymore.Um, well thanks for the inside scoop there Professor :03:

[kylania]

Seriously.... the Devs must think their building games for a bunch of PMS'd women. It's getting sad around here.

Nope, a bunch of paying customers who were given an incomplete game, followed by a month of total silence, followed by weeks of waiting after the promise of a patch, followed by a week of waiting after the first broken promise, followed by a second broken promise and an iffy "maybe another week, we don't know" posted only to the German forums combined with an utter lack of communication throughout the entire process.

It is pretty sad and it's entirely Ubisoft's fault.

[Brag]

Patchamatter with the SHV peeplings? :roll:

[Nisgeis]

it's like finding out there is no real santa all over again..........:wah:

What do you mean there's no real Santa? You're... you're joking... right?

[tonyw]

D'oh, I thought the theme was poor punctuation. Face>Palm

[Safe-Keeper]

The trolls seem to have made it their mission to bitch at everything Ubi does, no matter what it is. They released SH5 too early, and got slammed. Now they're delaying stuff to get them done right... and what do you know, they get bitched at for that, too:nope:.

Ignore list is your friend, people.

Not hearing too much from the Ubi and dev cheerleaders now, huh....
No one likes to be moved down on the priorities list. Avalon Hill is pulling the same stuff with their Axis&Allies franchise. Latest instalment cost a fortune and had several significant flaws (to their credit, though, they were kind enough to ship me more playing pieces and corrected documentation free of charge). After the earlier A&A games, that was a slap in the face.

The SH series is the same. I like SH5, but I've not been playing it for a while, in part because it's nowhere as engaging and atmospheric as SHIII. I do have high hopes for it, but at the same time I feel the frustration at not being centre of attention anymore.

I just hope the market swings back to simulation soon. The Modern Warfare era is getting tiring.

[Moeceefus]

the longer they take, the more time they will have to address serious issues. i'd rather have a few major patches in a few months than many minor ones over the course of a year. every thing will turn out fine and all of the nerd rage we see will be for naught, as usual. :up:

[predman]

I think Ubi developers are afraid of you guys (DRM, bugs). No one wants to be the messenger bringing bad news. Who can blame them for being a little reluctant to post here. A shame the game was released prematurely but let's be hopeful the patch is a major fix.

[msxyz]

There were buggy games released back then, so things weren't all that different. I can think of several tape loading games that couldn't be finished and two that couldn't be started or would crash. The way round it was to enter the correct POKEs, so not only did you have to wait for the patch, it would often be a community patch and... you'd have to type the patch loader in yourself from the magazine if it wasn't a poke or you didn't have the right hardware like a Multiface. Thankfully you don't have to type in 486 Megs worth of patch these days.
I do remember typing some pokes myself but it was rather the exception, not the rule. Softwares from first party publishers were almost glitch free.

Can you imagine what would happen in the cartridge era (mask ROM, not flash) if some serious flaw was allowed to slip past QA?

[The General]

Now they're delaying stuff to get it done right...How do we know this for sure?

[SteamWake]

I think Ubi developers are afraid of you guys (DRM, bugs). No one wants to be the messenger bringing bad news. Who can blame them for being a little reluctant to post here. A shame the game was released prematurely but let's be hopeful the patch is a major fix.

Meh there would be probably a dozen threads before they even had a chance to get here.

I hope their taking time to get it right.

Oh btw welcome to subsim :woot:

[TheBeast]

If what you're saying is true, that would explain alot. They don't listen to their own beta-testers... wonderful.
I was never big on conspiracy theories, but I can just imagine it now; beta-testers report on a multitude of bugs, devs ask for more time to fix them, the Big Boss says screw it, time is money, ship it out anyways.
No wonder people are upset.
Hardware Technology is progressing so fast, Software Publishers appear to be struggling to keep pace with the technology. Over the years, I've noticed software release quality has been compromised as Alpha, Beta, Release criteria standards seem to be diminishing for the sake of Marketing. Project Manager's, working with DEV team initially set big bold goals with huge feature lists. As the projected release dates draw closer and closer, Feature start getting cut because Marketing starts hounding the PM to stay fast to their projected dates. A inexperienced PM will fall victim to Marketing and allow, what would normally be fixed issue's to roll out(We have to release on schedule, we already have "x" number of pre-ordered copies sold...).
I watched on the news and read articles on XP when it released, a good OS. Shipped with some where about 60,000+ known issue's. That is why it is still being patched today. Personally, I like XP, more so then Vista and with issue's I have read about in these forums alone, I am afraid to try 7.
Can't really say more without getting all fired up and getting myself into trouble.

[Nisgeis]

The trolls seem to have made it their mission to bitch at everything Ubi does, no matter what it is. They released SH5 too early, and got slammed. Now they're delaying stuff to get them done right... and what do you know, they get bitched at for that, too:nope:.

Just wait until the patch is released and people say it hasn't been done right because such and such *still* hasn't been fixed and why did they delay for this POS, when they couldn't even fix 'bug x', which some modder already fixed and they'll never buy another Ubi product again and... No, that couldn't happen could it?

[SteamWake]

Nice, that means we can stay modded for another week ;]

See now theres a positive outlook ! :salute:

[mookiemookie]

Nope, a bunch of paying customers who were given an incomplete game, followed by a month of total silence, followed by weeks of waiting after the promise of a patch, followed by a week of waiting after the first broken promise, followed by a second broken promise and an iffy "maybe another week, we don't know" posted only to the German forums combined with an utter lack of communication throughout the entire process.

It is pretty sad and it's entirely Ubisoft's fault.

Or you could just go do something else and realize that the patch will be out when it's out. Why does everything have to be this ideological crap storm? Every perceived slight from Ubisoft brings the wanna-be Ralph Nader, David Horowitz consumer crusaders out of the woodwork. It's a COMPUTER GAME.

They're not going to scrap the work they've already done. Every extra day that the patch takes means its that much better. I'd personally be happy if they waited another 6 months to release it.

[Takeda Shingen]

Merged to master thread. No need for five of these.

The Management

[kylania]

I think Ubi developers are afraid of you guys (DRM, bugs). No one wants to be the messenger bringing bad news. Who can blame them for being a little reluctant to post here. A shame the game was released prematurely but let's be hopeful the patch is a major fix.

My main problem with this is no one's posting there either. I don't expect the devs that post here to make an announcement about the lack of patch. Some insight into what's causing the delay would be cool, but not expected. They are here as a favor to the community, not as their jobs.

What I do damn well expect is that when someone from Ubisoft posts important information about Silent Hunter 5 to the German Forums that they post the exact same information to the English forums at the same time. That is not happening. That is a problem. As far as I can tell there simply is no English language support team for Silent Hunter.

[longam]

Just wait until the patch is released and people say it hasn't been done right because such and such *still* hasn't been fixed and why did they delay for this POS, when they couldn't even fix 'bug x', which some modder already fixed and they'll never buy another Ubi product again and... No, that couldn't happen could it?

Don't forget about how it screwed up my mods. Or This game is worse (after they installed the mods back that don't work) I always loved that one. :O:

[daft]

Ubi die asap! long live the freelancers!



What freelancers?

[Takeda Shingen]

Make that seven of these.

The Management

[Kptlt_Lynch]

Apparently the sky is falling according to a few people... and UBI should burn in hell for it.

I'll happily sit out in the sun and enjoy my iced tea while everyone gets all bent out of shape over UBI. I can't wait to see the bitchfest over the micro details the patch doesn't address. lol

[Méo]

Seriously.... the Devs must think their building games for a bunch of PMS'd women. It's getting sad around here.

Probably the reason why they are silent.

[Nisgeis]

I do remember typing some pokes myself but it was rather the exception, not the rule. Softwares from first party publishers were almost glitch free.

Can you imagine what would happen in the cartridge era (mask ROM, not flash) if some serious flaw was allowed to slip past QA?

It happened. The computers even had bugs in their own ROMS, the speccy had ROM bugs that caused parts of BASIC to not work properly and the Z80 CPU, well that had a whole load of instructions that didn't quite work properly with an alternate set of switchable registers, so they were just not documented, as they weren't reliable. It's just people didn't really seem to get that irate about it. JSW crashed on the last room, which was annoying, but I think people just accepted it was like that - quite strange. Elite came with a LENSLOK device that only worked if you had exactly the right sized TV and then not really very well and you had to guess mostly. If you got it wrong, you had to reload the game, which wasn't quick - now that was restrictive DRM!

EDIT: Erg, thread merge. Added original quote.

[Cujo]

We might as well wait until they get it right. Nothing worse than a buggy patch.

[Takeda Shingen]

Make that eleven threads. Let's read before we post, people.

The Management

[LIONPRIDE]

I am starting to lean in the direction of Itchy's post below. I pre-ordered "Age of Conan" and got screwed. Swore I would never pre-order again but ended up placing pre-order on SH5 and guess what. Yeah, that is correct. Same Story and I should have known better since I beta tested SH4 ...

I rather enjoyed AoC ... especially the 1.04 state (patch) but the community is what actually kills that game. Great potential but it's like trying to play with the Socially Retarded.

But what I did learn from that experience is that, though it takes time, patches do come ... and they do fix some of the bigger issues. Here's hoping? The self defeating mind-set is getting old folks. Stop denouncing their efforts (devs, not the shirts) and embrace the tight community you do have. Even if it does take a MoD team to fix things sometimes.

TheBeast can attest to the horrible community that is AoC ... :D






.

[Rip]

All I can say is it is a good thing we have DRM so they can fix stuff fast and push it out to us!
:har:

[Kptlt_Lynch]

Ok, this horse has been reduced to protoplasm. :yawn:

[Reaves]

All I can say is it is a good thing we have DRM so they can fix stuff fast and push it out to us!
:har:

haha I remember that being one of the selling points for the constant internet connection. :woot:

[Reece]

I think that the patch will never be released... :damn:Excellent post!:up: I love positive thinking!:har:

[scrag]

Like it or not apparently they have created a realistic subsim as the wait continues:

Any bubblehead knows that supply never gets the correct part the first time or for that matter if it is correct it is broken...
Or
I finally really learned to play cribbage...
Or
Does Volcanic ash effect DRM
Or
Your my wife and these are my kids????

Yep thanks for the downtime.....

[McHub532]

Okay, I started at the Last page of this thread and have read back 5 pages.. I'm running out of IRL life and have to log off.

Is the patch coming out today or not? Only 3 more hours left in the day.

[kylania]

Okay, I started at the Last page of this thread and have read back 5 pages.. I'm running out of IRL life and have to log off.

Is the patch coming out today or not? Only 3 more hours left in the day.

No, the patch is not coming out. There's currently no ETA, but I wouldn't expect it till mid-May.

[McHub532]

No, the patch is not coming out. There's currently no ETA, but I wouldn't expect it till mid-May.

Okay, just knowing helps. Not any big deal at all as long as I'm told up front. With TheDarkWraith doing what he is doing I'm as happy as a clam.. as is. :)

[gutted]

No, the patch is not coming out. There's currently no ETA, but I wouldn't expect it till mid-May.

Just as well.. i've pretty much quit caring about the game at the moment. Having fun playing Battlefield Bad Company 2 multiplayer atm. Will check back in a month.

[Zedi]

I do the same and already uninstalled the game. There is no point waiting for a patch that is constantly delayed, no ETA form Ubi .. this is a nightmare and I better waste my time with other games that works and where the consumers gets more respect. The only interest left regarding SH5 is this place and the community.

[jerm138]

I do the same and already uninstalled the game.

Just curious...
Why uninstall the game just because the patch isn't out? Why not just leave it there and it will be ready when the patch does come out? Uninstalling seems like extra work to me.

Unless you're hard-up for hard drive space.

When I was a kid I had to uninstall Windows to make room for Doom (all 8 floppy disks... a whopping 12 MB!) when I wanted to play.

I'm not criticizing you... I'm just wondering if there's some advantage that I don't know about.

[doomlordis]

I bought ARMA 2 last night, great game. SH5 is over for now for me.

[cwil757]

What do you mean there's no real Santa? You're... you're joking... right?

ummmmmmmmmmm yeah............ actually I lied.... I thought about it and it reminds me more or less of when My father abandoned the family.....

Silent hunter 5 is most certainly that redheaded stepchild :nope:

[cwil757]

but no....really, my parents still love each other.... just thought people reading it would get a laugh..... oh well time for bed.

[TieJustice]

I bought ARMA 2 last night, great game. SH5 is over for now for me.


Try it with a TrackerIR5 well worth the $£Y:salute:

[tonibamestre]

Well worth the waiting.Lets give time to developers to work on a good 1.2 Patch,adressing lots of bugs and perhaps adding new things like `The Officers Quarters¨ into type VII?

:03:

[Zedi]

Just curious...
Why uninstall the game just because the patch isn't out? Why not just leave it there and it will be ready when the patch does come out? Uninstalling seems like extra work to me.

Unless you're hard-up for hard drive space.

When I was a kid I had to uninstall Windows to make room for Doom (all 8 floppy disks... a whopping 12 MB!) when I wanted to play.

I'm not criticizing you... I'm just wondering if there's some advantage that I don't know about.

Actually I had to reinstall the whole OS and I can't be bothered to reinstall SH5 too just for nothing. I'm back to WoW so that will keep me busy enough. I will watch the forum and see what you guys think about the patch (if it will be released this year) then I will start to play it again. Right now is just a waste of time and hdd space.

[JamesT73J]

I bought ARMA 2 last night, great game. SH5 is over for now for me.

If you were with ARMA 2 from the beginning, you would know the irony of this statement.

[Mav87th]

Delayed, but comming...

At least they are looking into more things now. As weather being reset in a save etc.

here is a snip from the post on UBI forum. http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3431013487/m/6481068648&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhis1nzULGiDnlBb5YoTYe0AakJvYQ

Soon we will release a new patch.
Eine genaus Releasedatum steht aber leider noch nicht fest.
A genaus release date has unfortunately not been fixed yet.
Hier der geplante Inhalt:
Here, the proposed content:

•Fix for CO2 not being saved correctly

•Fix for crew morale.

•Fix for weather being reset to clear weather after load.

•Fixes for crewmen showing under water under certain conditions

•Fixes for ships exploding in ports for unapparent reasons or hitting the shore

•Now waypoint tools are not accessible in bunker anymore

•Compass added

•Return to course added

•Several fixes to ship recognition manual

•Depth under keel added


•Morale reaching 0 bug fixed

•Several crew abilities (like man the deck gun and man the flack gun don't cost morale anymore)

•Several crew animation and interaction fixes

•Fixed performance problems inside submarine

•Shadow optimizations

•Fixed very slow eye light adaptation after a lost device (alt-tab)

•Fixed selection contour being visible when a character was already selected

•Fixed a bug where the moon was closer than it should

•Fixed a bug where the sun disk would be visible underneath thick cloud cover

•Environmental lighting and effects improvements

•Improvements on particle performance on single core processors

•Fixed torpedo doors

•Fixed torpedo propeller (not turning)

•Fixed electric torpedoes trail

•Fixed spawn radius for some convoys (previously spawned on the shore)

•Fixed several dials that were not working inside the submarine

•Ports in the north Africa in the German territory are under enemy occupation

•South Africa supplies: The existence of another ship that looks identically with the targeted one may generate confusion

•No more crewmen on burning ships

•Fixed a bug where the player can get stuck in the sub's outer hatch geometry

•Crewmen on deck change clothes during bad weather

•German language localization fixes

•SH4 ships can now be imported in SH5 – useful for modders

•Some tweaks with how the submarines are awarded in the dynamic campaign

•Some tweaks to AI

•Changes to accommodate RU localization will also be present in Patch 1.2, but will not affect players in a visible form.

This post has been edited.
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20.04.2010 16:18

[doomlordis]

that must be the reason for the delay, they are doing everything twice!

[Feuer Frei!]

So then, re content of patch fix, will this fix/address half the gripes people have with playing?
Or barely touching the tip of the iceberg?
Or most of the bugs?
Curious to get a "guage" as to how far this patch addresses the bugs.

[McHub532]

I am experiencing a rather empathetic moment....

After reading 3 posts above mine at all the fixes for this next patch. I feel really embarrassed (truly) for Ubisoft. To put out a list like that is a list showing how horrid something you sold was (when you sell something your integrity and character is attached to it).

I feel awful for these people.

[Arclight]

Like we've never seen a 100+MB patch before. :lol:

More drama and overacting on these boards then in those cheesy soaps on daytime television.

[McHub532]

Like we've never seen a 100+MB patch before. :lol:

More drama and overacting on these boards then in those cheesy soaps on daytime television.

Guiding Light is the best! Man.. I wonder if I can watch back episodes online while at work? hmm.

[Stormfly]

i hope they also fix the anoying ship/battlegroup sighting reports from the watch officer, while sub is submerged and a periscope is up. The watchofficer is below deck and shouldnt report any sightings then, the only one who is using the periscope then is the Kaleunt, and he dont need to report sightings to himself...

[mookiemookie]

i hope they also fix the anoying ship/battlegroup sighting reports from the watch officer, while sub is submerged and a periscope is up. The watchofficer is below deck and shouldnt report any sightings then, the only one who is using the periscope then is the Kaleunt, and he dont need to report sightings to himself...

It's always been this way, going back to at least SH3.

[Sailor Steve]

Guiding Light is the best! Man.. I wonder if I can watch back episodes online while at work? hmm.
Not to be accused of starting a flame war, but...Guiding Light? Guiding Light sux, man! All My Children FTW!!!:O:

[McHub532]

Not to be accused of starting a flame war, but...Guiding Light? Guiding Light sux, man! All My Children FTW!!!:O:

I'm such a dolt... I don't know why I typed Guiding Light...

General Hospital is what I'm all about. I can't believe I brain farted like that. :)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4042/4540906626_710f688e8d_o.jpg

With a creature as beautiful as this.. the plot line doesn't even matter. ;)

[msxyz]

"Some tweaks to the AI". I was under the impression that the AI needed some serious rework. :06:

[McHub532]

"Some tweaks to the AI". I was under the impression that the AI needed some serious rework. :06:

Well they can't fix everything in patch 1.2 can they? What would we do if the game worked perfectly? We'd get bored. :)

[The General]

i hope they also fix the anoying ship/battlegroup sighting reports from the watch officer, while sub is submerged and a periscope is up. The watchofficer is below deck and shouldnt report any sightings then, the only one who is using the periscope then is the Kaleunt, and he dont need to report sightings to himself...It's always been this way, going back to at least SH3.I think Stormfly may be referring to te fact that the Watch-Officer (Bernard may be his name) calls out 'Taskforce sighted' for every individual warship in a group. After saying it 6 times for one convoy, it becomes very annoying! It makes the call completely redundant. When there really is a Taskorce, no one believes him!:damn:

[John Channing]

It's always been this way, going back to at least SH3.

Actually this goes back to Silent Hunter (the original). Every time you raised the scope that twerp would call out "Ship Spotted, Sir" (assuming there was a ship around).

JCC

[Don_D_Dwain]

The Cross hair, PLEASE REMOVE THIS.
The bubble heads, It does not bother me that much, but it might be something to consider putting in the options (for new players), so I can turn that off, it would be nice. Thanks, hope they add those to the list.

[Viceman]

Maybe you guys should take some more powerful efforts to get the patch. Hijack a ubisoft employee and interrogate him. Like this.

"Where... is... the.. patch?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5N8Big4ieE#t=04m40s

[Spike]

Ubisoft,sorry customers,we did not make a boat load of cash on this game so we are not worried about getting out, a much needed patch,and as usual we are not concerned about what you the supporting customer thinks.This is about money(as usual)..:damn: We made a mistake about DRM,but we will never admit it.(silence is golden).:zzz:

[mookiemookie]

The Cross hair, PLEASE REMOVE THIS.
The bubble heads, It does not bother me that much, but it might be something to consider putting in the options (for new players), so I can turn that off, it would be nice. Thanks, hope they add those to the list.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=163637

[prowler3]

Whatever...it still has DRM, doesn't it? Let me know when THAT goes away in an update/patch. That's the only news I'm interested in.
:down::damn:

[Deutschland]

The delay could be 'good' if they do a good and extensive job in this next patch!!

[Justin Case]

Well gentleman, I had purchased a gaming machine just for this Sim in anticipation for the upgrade and removed it from my Mac machine.. Now, being totally frustrated with this product I returned the Windows computer to BestBuy and asked Amazon for a refund for SH5..(Awaiting a response) but either way, Im done with it...I would like to thank all of ya for help that you graciously provided...:salute:

[kylania]

Well gentleman, I had purchased a gaming machine just for this Sim in anticipation for the upgrade and removed it from my Mac machine.. Now, being totally frustrated with this product I returned the Windows computer to BestBuy and asked Amazon for a refund for SH5..(Awaiting a response) but either way, Im done with it...I would like to thank all of ya for help that you graciously provided...:salute:

Wow, returning a game _and_ PC without even giving the first major patch a chance? Not to mention all the amazing mods we already have that make this an entirely playable game?

That's a bit extreme in my opinion, but whatever makes you happy I guess...

[bigboywooly]

I think Stormfly may be referring to te fact that the Watch-Officer (Bernard may be his name) calls out 'Taskforce sighted' for every individual warship in a group.

Calls out taskforce for unescorted convoys too :dead:

[IanC]

Well gentleman, I had purchased a gaming machine just for this Sim in anticipation for the upgrade and removed it from my Mac machine.. Now, being totally frustrated with this product I returned the Windows computer to BestBuy and asked Amazon for a refund for SH5..(Awaiting a response) but either way, Im done with it...I would like to thank all of ya for help that you graciously provided...:salute:

I feel for ya man. You're not the only one who got caught, especially with the last second 'constant online connection' requirement.
The bright side here is that the bugs might still be patched and the mods might still be able to lift it up to the sim we all wanted. SH5 is about 2 years too early, if you know what I mean. Hope you get your cash back.

[Zedi]

Justin did the right thing, SH5 not worth to buy and play it right now, I also gave up. Except the graphics, the rest is a mess. Hoping that only the mods will fix it is not enough. If this would be an open source game developed for free at subsim.com.. yeah, that would be a completely different story. But is not.

[Onkel Neal]

Post is Epic Fail! A fatuous listing. Most of those games were not released in as unfit state as SH5(with the exception of the other SH games). I finished Fleet Command before any patch came out. Didn't notice too many problems that weren't bearable with many of the others, particularly Il-2, European Air War and the Janes games.


I hear it's REALLY REALLY COOL to write FAIL nowadays. It's ORIGINAL and FUNNY and WITTY.

You are wrong. There were many games in that list with multiple problems and missing features. SH1 and SH2, just to name a few.

[Safe-Keeper]

It all seems to be about the DRM to some people, doesn't it, regardless of subject?

Neal Stevents: Oh my god, turn on your TV's! North Korea and China are invading South Korea, Taiwan and Japan and they're exchanging shots with NATO warships! The US carrier battle group in the Taiwan strait has taken several torpedo and missile hits! Iceland is making all of their volcanoes ready to fire! I think World War III is starting!

Troll: At least they don't have to deal with Silent Hunter 5's DRM.

It's like trying to discuss auto-mobile innovation with this guy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7f3wiPWc0s):nope:.

[Placoderm]

I hear it's REALLY REALLY COOL to write FAIL nowadays. It's ORIGINAL and FUNNY and WITTY.

You are wrong. There were many games in that list with multiple problems and missing features. SH1 and SH2, just to name a few.


UBER FAIL, Neal...

...You listed two games, (SH1 and SH2) which is technically a couple, not a few...ya noob!

OMG...Dood, that has to be the uber failest of all the failed posts in all of postdom. :nope:




(j/k, Neal...ya know it had to come) :D




...I'll just escort myself down to the brig, now...:doh:

:salute:

[Onkel Neal]

I was still on my first cup of coffee. And if we are going to start critiquing semantics, grammar, and spelling--omg, you better start with some of the many other posts. :D

[AVGWarhawk]

...I'll just escort myself down to the brig, now... :har:

[krashkart]

I was still on my first cup of coffee. And if we are going to start critiquing semantics, grammar, and spelling--omg, you better start with some of the many other posts. :D

grammer & speling where my goodest subjekt, :know:


:smug:

[raymond6751]

Swirling around the DEV team, who are treading water frantically, the players snap and snarl at each other like vicious demons.

Every word, every utterance, indeed every ripple in the surface of the SH seascape, caused by the struggling team in the center, causes such a hue and cry that distant thunder is drowned out.

From the center of the mass comes an object, tossed off into the distance. The throng is drawn to it, temporarily abandoning their angry threat. The thing gets tossed from hand to eager hand until finally one lucky devil has it long enough to identify it.

Holding it aloft, he yells to the mob "Tis just a rumour!" The angry dennisons of the deep return to the DEV team and growl and cry loudly. "Give us the patch!", they howl.

[Placoderm]

grammer & speling where my goodest subjekt, :know:


:smug:


Me to! Ya know, Theirs English and than they're's BAD english!




:D

[John Channing]

Your certainly right about that.

JCC

[mookiemookie]

I hear it's REALLY REALLY COOL to write FAIL nowadays. It's ORIGINAL and FUNNY and WITTY.

You are wrong. There were many games in that list with multiple problems and missing features. SH1 and SH2, just to name a few.

http://i.imgur.com/NuA5V.png

[Faamecanic]

http://i.imgur.com/NuA5V.png

:agree: :har: :har: :har: Nice one mookie! Had me spraying Diet Mountain Dew all over my keyboard.

[krashkart]

Me to! Ya know, Theirs English and than they're's BAD english!




:D


:har:



http://i.imgur.com/NuA5V.png

^^ This


:D

[Ragtag]

http://i.imgur.com/NuA5V.png

word!

[Mulligan]

Hello All, Just a few humble thoughts on the Silent Hunter series. I have had every Silent hunter since its creation, I also love U-boat history, and the series as a whole with all its up’s and downs. With that said, I can’t understand all the whining. If you are like me, all you Silent hunter enthusiast have played SH1 through SH4, are you really surprised that patches were needed to correct deficiencies in SH5. Are you the infamous Cleveland Brown’s fan that believes every year, is the year that they will win the super bowl? So when you got all excited about SH5 v1.0 knowing deep down inside, but just didn’t want to admit the fact that SH5 v1.0 would be bugged! When SH5 was release you immediately purchased the game as is.

Ubisoft didn’t twist your arm; you purchased the game of your own freewill. Knowing deep down inside after playing SH1 through SH4 that the game would no doubly be bugged, hence that why Games are designated V1.0 so at a later date, they can have v1.01, v1.02, v1.03. There is no history mystery to this fact, it didn’t all of sudden sneak up on you and go BOO!

What is positive about the numerous posts and replies of complaints is it keeps Ubisoft will aware of your dissatisfaction. But the most productive result is the technical suggestions of modders and Silent hunter enthusiasts that will add to the betterment of the game with improvements and fixes, etc.

These are the people that are well aware of the patching process and its steady progression to a mainstay enjoyable Simulation experience.

You novice complainers need to go back to your cookie cutter gaming consoles. Toughen up, and comeback to the hardcore PC Simulation Community of Veterans, who are well aware of the pain staking process of patches and patience. The fact is PC simulations are notorious for patch updates, are you that shocked?

Final thought, by the way, Ubisoft will fix SH5, the consumer; Silent hunter series devout followers will accept nothing less. UbiSoft knows, they did it through SH1 through SH4.

Thanks Mulligan.

[Nisgeis]

Welcome aboard Mulligan!

[Eldarion]

Oh great!
Now, though the sub it's on the surface (and in the harbour at brest!), my CO2 ratio is increasing (26% and going up). Why such a promising game should become such a dreadful failure? :06:
Where the F**K is the patch they talked about? Does it really exist at all? :damn:

[kylania]

Where the F**K is the patch they talked about? Does it really exist at all? :damn:

It does in Russia apparently (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/8261009648?r=7951042658#7951042658).

Btw, simply save and reload to fix the CO2 bug.

[BadSeed]

Permission to come aboard Sir.

This brings back memories, many years ago, I think it was prior to SH3's release, we were allotted Boot No.s. Don't ask me to remember what mine was. I had to give up my internet connection being married and get all responsible. But I came to my senses and jettisoned her which brings me to joining again to enter the fray over this topic.

This SH5 debarcle that keeps going 'round;
As for any kind of protective comments towards SH5, don't waste you r time, breath or typing energy defending it. It is very weak to say that it will be up to third parties to make it what it's supposed to be... And yes indeed, it is an EPIC FAIL. These types of comments just offend my intelligence.

As a paying customer I have been treated appallingly by Ubishaft. I want to play this game by myself and NOT with a permanent internet connection for SINGLE PLAYER.... If so, only charge me 1/3 the price for something I do not actually own and cannot play at my leasure and don't penalise me.

Unfortunatelly I was one who LOVES and wants to support this franchise so I happilly stood up and put my hard earned where my heart is and I was and have been ass-reemed by this gam... thing. EVERYTHING about that "Collectors Edition" was CRAP. There is NOTHING Collectable about it apart from dust.

But lets not fall into the flaming and slanging off at each other, we are all on the same boot.

I am very upset by this disgraceful episode and I really hope this does not have the potential to destroy the wonderful name of Silent Hunter.

Now you may ask me to walk the gang-plank.

[kylania]

Welcome aboard BadSeed! Good to have you with us! :salute:

Now you may ask me to walk the gang-plank.

Umm.. now.. ah... would you please walk the gang-plank? :hmmm:

[BadSeed]

"Silent Hunter 5" & "Happy Times" now there's an oxymoron for you.

I have tried like buggery to like this thing but I just can't. To change the keys in such a significant way and then change the gameplay to such an extent, to me, means this is Silent Hunter by name (and bugs) only.

Call me stupid, I know you will, but I knew of the required internet connection needed to play but stupidly I assumed it was like all other games where one was required to register and/or play multiplayer but the idea that I'd need a connection for single player all the time defies logic.

For reasons far beyond my (or your) control, if a time arises in the future I (or you) may not have the luxury of an internet connection, where do you stand then? Paying full price (for me over $100) for a game then not being able to play it is ridiculous.

Anyway, Boy is it fun getting back into SH4. BTW where's that gang-plank?

[kylania]

If you're not looking into the wonderful mods that are available (which fix or improve nearly every aspect of the game so far) and spend your time worrying about DRM, it's no wonder you're not enjoying the game.

Not playing when you can, because you might at some point not be able to, is quite silly. Stop being melodramatic about DRM and PLAY. :DL

[The General]

I have tried like buggery to like this thing but I just can't.

Anyway, Boy is it fun getting back into SH4. BTW where's that gang-plank?Thanks for callin', bye now.

[JU_88]

SHV needs not only bug fixes but some alot more content also, so Ive shelved it for the moment to spend time working on some of that said content.
Give it another another year or so and it will be best Silent hunter ever.
I reckon the DRM will gone before 2010 is over:salute:

[PL_Andrev]

Where the F**K is the patch they talked about? Does it really exist at all? :damn:

Better way is wait longer for patch than have no patch.
Be patient man.

[Lord Justice]

As for any kind of protective comments towards SH5, don't waste you r time, breath or typing energy defending it. it is an EPIC FAIL. These types of comments just offend my intelligence.

I have been treated appallingly by Ubishaft.

and I was and have been ass-reemed by this gam... thing.

But lets not fall into the flaming and slanging off at each other, we are all on the same boot.

Now you may ask me to walk the gang-plank.



like buggery to like this thing

Call me stupid, I know you will,
BTW where's that gang-plank?Sir BadSeed, pardon my manner but iam affraid i shall not be able to give, rather, choose to offer such an open reception like the gentleman Kylania, for permit me to remark. 1) Upon entry i observed you have taken no precaution with your title heading on your 1st post (467). Most members here put to good use smilies, no more so than the salute, respect to one another. Indeed it is your opinion, but iam very dubious to its success, and think it bad peformance to publicy sound it out. :oops: 2) You sir, embark upon a foolhardy venture to condemn sh5 an epic fail and with it you are far from alone, but iam sorry to deduct from your pleasure by reminding you, many enjoy sh5, and at very least some developed portions, many more are hard working on the continuation to further this. Sir to state that any form of defence matters not, and will affect your intelligence is beyond absurd. :nope: 3) Furthermore, you were and have been ass-reemed!! also you mention Buggery!! :hmmm: I should beg leave to remark, whatever floats your boat, on topic perhaps prison hulks you best be suited, :yep: as i cannot find the gang-plank you so crave. ;) 4) Your entry posts which iam sorry to say are very inconsiderable and illy thought. Obviously to others as it is to me, you had not thought it out proper in any measure. I cannot affect your stance but i can ask favor to oblige some consideration for others. :yep: Good Day.

[ggregoro]

Sir BadSeed, pardon my manner but iam affraid i shall not be able to give, rather, choose to offer such an open reception like the gentleman Kylania, for permit me to remark. 1) Upon entry i observed you have taken no precaution with your title heading on your 1st post (467). Most members here put to good use smilies, no more so than the salute, respect to one another. Indeed it is your opinion, but iam very dubious to its success, and think it bad peformance to publicy sound it out. :oops: 2) You sir, embark upon a foolhardy venture to condemn sh5 an epic fail and with it you are far from alone, but iam sorry to deduct from your pleasure by reminding you, many enjoy sh5, and at very least some developed portions, many more are hard working on the continuation to further this. Sir to state that any form of defence matters not, and will affect your intelligence is beyond absurd. :nope: 3) Furthermore, you were and have been ass-reemed!! also you mention Buggery!! :hmmm: I should beg leave to remark, whatever floats your boat, on topic perhaps prison hulks you best be suited, :yep: as i cannot find the gang-plank you so crave. ;) 4) Your entry posts which iam sorry to say are very inconsiderable and illy thought. Obviously to others as it is to me, you had not thought it out proper in any measure. I cannot affect your stance but i can ask favor to oblige some consideration for others. :yep: Good Day.

Well said. While I am not a contributing member of this "community" or a ubisoft fanboy, I must admit you covered all the key points.

[Mulligan]

Permission to come aboard Sir.

This brings back memories, many years ago, I think it was prior to SH3's release, we were allotted Boot No.s. Don't ask me to remember what mine was. I had to give up my internet connection being married and get all responsible. But I came to my senses and jettisoned her which brings me to joining again to enter the fray over this topic.

This SH5 debarcle that keeps going 'round;
As for any kind of protective comments towards SH5, don't waste you r time, breath or typing energy defending it. It is very weak to say that it will be up to third parties to make it what it's supposed to be... And yes indeed, it is an EPIC FAIL. These types of comments just offend my intelligence.

As a paying customer I have been treated appallingly by Ubishaft. I want to play this game by myself and NOT with a permanent internet connection for SINGLE PLAYER.... If so, only charge me 1/3 the price for something I do not actually own and cannot play at my leasure and don't penalise me.

Unfortunatelly I was one who LOVES and wants to support this franchise so I happilly stood up and put my hard earned where my heart is and I was and have been ass-reemed by this gam... thing. EVERYTHING about that "Collectors Edition" was CRAP. There is NOTHING Collectable about it apart from dust.

But lets not fall into the flaming and slanging off at each other, we are all on the same boot.

I am very upset by this disgraceful episode and I really hope this does not have the potential to destroy the wonderful name of Silent Hunter.

Now you may ask me to walk the gang-plank.

I will sum it up for you Sir. You purchased the game as is. Of course with PC gaming there has been and always will be patches. UbiSoft as well as other Gaming Companies try their best to beta and Alpha Test a Familiar and popular Game like SH5, the genre has been a mainstay to the submarine simulation community. Understand when you are a devout hardcore PC gamer, Patches are a way of life. I’m sure Ubisoft released, at the time, a stable version of SH5. Be cognizant of the fact PC Gaming companies will never have a game perfect at release. Unlike a cookie cutter console system i.e. Xbox 360, that every game you purchase works on every other Xbox 360 in the known world! Why, because every console is made same way. When you have an intricate PC game, especially a simulation of the magnitude of SH5, Anyone in their right mind realizes you can’t release the perfect PC game at release. PC Computers have thousands of different hardware configurations out there, People use SCSI, SATA, Nvidia, ATI, AMD, Intel, SoundBlaster, realtec, adlib, Windows Xp, Vista, Mac, Windows 7 and they’re various versions etc. There is no way in hell any PC Gaming developer can appease so many possible hardware configurations. Pc Gaming companies would have to employ 10.000 beta testers to get a lay of the land. In reality no companies are going to spend millions to make one game of many in development, perfect!

Here’s the sad thing about novice PC gamers. First off, a lot of people that buy an expensive PC gaming system our uneducated in the aspects gaming as it relates to the care and maintenance of the relation between software and hardware. I’d say half the people here complaining about the misfortunes of SH5 probably have no idea what a Patch or a driver is, or they have a weak understanding of them, or fail to apply them appropriately. Believe it or not, there are people right now scratching their heads, saying, what the hell are those. And by the way, why is my game not working properly? I'm not going to get into the technical aspects, but I believe I have made my point.

To conclude, People that demand a flawless PC game at release, because they are a paying consumer and demand a great product, well it is, and will be, you just have to be patient. A company like Ubisoft is reputable, and they have made many great titles, they just don’t have Millions lying around to make the perfect game at release. The best form of testing a game is when it's released to the public, the public that has thousands upon thousands of Computer Configurations that relay the problems they are experiencing in respect to they're personnel computer. Understand the magnitude of this undertaking will help appease you’re dissatisfaction.

P.S. Do I think Ubisoft could have done a better job with this specific title, Absolutely! But it is what it is, they will patch it, and it will be better!

Thanks Mulligan

[tonschk]

I will sum it up for you Sir. You purchased the game as is. Of course with PC gaming there has been and always will be patches. UbiSoft as well as other Gaming Companies try their best to beta and Alpha Test a Familiar and popular Game like SH5, the genre has been a mainstay to the submarine simulation community. Understand when you are a devout hardcore PC gamer, Patches are a way of life. I’m sure Ubisoft released, at the time, a stable version of SH5. Be cognizant of the fact PC Gaming companies will never have a game perfect at release. Unlike a cookie cutter console system i.e. Xbox 360, that every game you purchase works on every other Xbox 360 in the known world! Why, because every console is made same way. When you have an intricate PC game, especially a simulation of the magnitude of SH5, Anyone in their right mind realizes you can’t release the perfect PC game at release. PC Computers have thousands of different hardware configurations out there, People use SCSI, SATA, Nvidia, ATI, AMD, Intel, SoundBlaster, realtec, adlib, Windows Xp, Vista, Mac, Windows 7 and they’re various versions etc. There is no way in hell any PC Gaming developer can appease so many possible hardware configurations. Pc Gaming companies would have to employ 10.000 beta testers to get a lay of the land. In reality no companies are going to spend millions to make one game of many in development, perfect!

Here’s the sad thing about novice PC gamers. First off, a lot of people that buy an expensive PC gaming system our uneducated in the aspects gaming as it relates to the care and maintenance of the relation between software and hardware. I’d say half the people here complaining about the misfortunes of SH5 probably have no idea what a Patch or a driver is, or they have a weak understanding of them, or fail to apply them appropriately. Believe it or not, there are people right now scratching their heads, saying, what the hell are those. And by the way, why is my game not working properly? I'm not going to get into the technical aspects, but I believe I have made my point.

To conclude, People that demand a flawless PC game at release, because they are a paying consumer and demand a great product, well it is, and will be, you just have to be patient. A company like Ubisoft is reputable, and they have made many great titles, they just don’t have Millions lying around to make the perfect game at release. The best form of testing a game is when it's released to the public, the public that has thousands upon thousands of Computer Configurations that relay the problems they are experiencing in respect to they're personnel computer. Understand the magnitude of this undertaking will help appease you’re dissatisfaction.

P.S. Do I thing Ubisoft could have done a better job with this specific title, Absolutely! But it is what it is, they will patch it, and it will be better!

Thanks Mulligan

:yeah: :up: I totally and completely Agree 100% with you :yeah: :DL

[Erdem]

Though, the state of this game at the moment has nothing to do with PC Hardware configurations. I think the game runs mostly stable for everyone.

Majority of the bugs are lack of tweaking/testing or down-right missing features.

[Mulligan]

Though, the state of this game at the moment has nothing to do with PC Hardware configurations. I think the game runs mostly stable for everyone.

Majority of the bugs are lack of tweaking/testing or down-right missing features.


True, these problems do exist. These are legitimate problem with the game. My post was intended to squelch out the other 60% of complainers that had nothing constructive or productive suggestions to fix the problem with the game at hand. The game has been released; all we can do now as a community is get the game working right through Ubisoft, and make constructive criticisms to improve future titles. Some of these posts sound like kids that were told no, when they asked for their fifth pop-sickle. lol

[Nico09]

Sir BadSeed, pardon my manner but iam affraid i shall not be able to give, rather, choose to offer such an open reception like the gentleman Kylania, for permit me to remark. 1) Upon entry i observed you have taken no precaution with your title heading on your 1st post (467). Most members here put to good use smilies, no more so than the salute, respect to one another. Indeed it is your opinion, but iam very dubious to its success, and think it bad peformance to publicy sound it out. :oops: 2) You sir, embark upon a foolhardy venture to condemn sh5 an epic fail and with it you are far from alone, but iam sorry to deduct from your pleasure by reminding you, many enjoy sh5, and at very least some developed portions, many more are hard working on the continuation to further this. Sir to state that any form of defence matters not, and will affect your intelligence is beyond absurd. :nope: 3) Furthermore, you were and have been ass-reemed!! also you mention Buggery!! :hmmm: I should beg leave to remark, whatever floats your boat, on topic perhaps prison hulks you best be suited, :yep: as i cannot find the gang-plank you so crave. ;) 4) Your entry posts which iam sorry to say are very inconsiderable and illy thought. Obviously to others as it is to me, you had not thought it out proper in any measure. I cannot affect your stance but i can ask favor to oblige some consideration for others. :yep: Good Day.


Btw, most of us Brits don't talk/write/chat, like this, thankfully!:doh::-?

[Lord Justice]

Btw, most of us Brits don't talk/write/chat, like this, thankfully!:doh::-?btw You dont say!! did i? ragged, and undisciplined as you are, i have but one question. are you a man from the woods?? :know:

[ggregoro]

Btw, most of us Brits don't talk/write/chat, like this, thankfully!:doh::-?

Was there something wrong with this sentence? "3) Furthermore, you were and have been ass-reemed!! also you mention Buggery!!"

"From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put." - Winston Churchill.

Changing the subject. Do you happen to know if these signs are posted all over the UK?
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/2465-watch_soccer_hooligans.jpg

[Nico09]

btw You dont say!! did i? ragged, and undisciplined as you are, i have but one question. are you a man from the woods?? :know:

My middle name :O: .

4Para, you are very eloquent, i'm just saying we don't all speak/chat/write with HUGE words and complicated sentences. I prefer to speak very plainly. :DL

And your right, im not far from the woods :03:.

Nico

[Nico09]

Was there something wrong with this sentence? "3) Furthermore, you were and have been ass-reemed!! also you mention Buggery!!"

"From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put." - Winston Churchill.

Changing the subject. Do you happen to know if these signs are posted all over the UK?
http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/2465-watch_soccer_hooligans.jpg (http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/2465-watch_soccer_hooligans.jpg)

Not in the UK, although in some cities they should be, not sure where that sign is from :hmmm:

[Lord Justice]

My middle name :O: .

4Para, you are very eloquent, i'm just saying we don't all speak/chat/write with HUGE words and complicated sentences. I prefer to speak very plainly. :DL

And your right, im not far from the woods :03:.

Nico complicated? one can indeed up the ante!! I shant. When i have the impertinence to ransack into one of your posts to deliver a speech on presentation, then you can tell me my duty. You compliment me, but yet say much, in my view, much, is such, = unwarranted attack. You are new, hijacked the thread, i give you this one for free. However, if you insist, then i will take great fondness in teaching you a lesson. I now advise you please regain your way, as well regard of my place, to ones own doing, i desire you will hereafter show more care to what concerns you. Good Day :stare:

[Stronghold]

complicated? one can indeed up the ante!! I shant. When i have the impertinence to ransack into one of your posts to deliver a speech on presentation, then you can tell me my duty. You compliment me, but yet say much, in my view, much, is such, = unwarranted attack. You are new, hijacked the thread, i give you this one for free. However, if you insist, then i will take great fondness in teaching you a lesson. I now advise you please regain your way, as well regard of my place, to ones own doing, i desire you will hereafter show more care to what concerns you. Good Day :stare:
Sorry to interrupt this interesting conversation, but I simply wonder: are you a very known contemporary writer just using an alias here, enchanting us with your infinite wisdom?

[Takeda Shingen]

Let's not pile on, okay?

The Management

[Nordmann]

Sorry to interrupt this interesting conversation, but I simply wonder: are you a very known contemporary writer just using an alias here, enchanting us with your infinite wisdom?

I'm assuming this is sarcasm, as a writer would undoubtedly have few grammatical errors.

[THE_MASK]

I am sorry i started this , any sign of the patch btw .

[Nisgeis]

I'm assuming this is sarcasm, as a writer would undoubtedly have few grammatical errors.

A writer would also know the difference between an auxilliary verb and a verb and would pay more attention to quotes they used from the bible.

I am sorry i started this , any sign of the patch btw .

Patch Sighted! Bearing 030, speed 135 knots! Moving away!
Ahead ludicrous speed! Rudder one degree to starboard.

[Nico09]

A post has been deleted somewhere along the line :-S

[Lord Justice]

A post has been deleted somewhere along the line :-SA most sensible withdraw, i must say some some members conducted an observation with cunning tenacity, and much order, as to as to make such a disposition to surround me. Difficult as the day has been for me, tiredsome as the posts came across, bothered as i am, i must here say i suffered not, but a slight loss of composure. If members think it proper to attack my style and grace, manners, etc then please think again. I will not abandon my posts somewhat prematurely. I make no doubt many do not like my style, but in this instance i came under an unwanted, unprovoked attack. Bring fourth your anxiety and anger, but expect a thunderous seconded response. I humbly beg my last 50-100 posts be reviewed, and iam more than confident iam not at fault, but much has to be said of the wolf pack herein. :salute:

[Cap.Palla]

Ehm sorry, is that the subsim forum ?? Is this the " Patch Delayed " thread ??

:06:

[robbo180265]

I will sum it up for you Sir. You purchased the game as is. Of course with PC gaming there has been and always will be patches. UbiSoft as well as other Gaming Companies try their best to beta and Alpha Test a Familiar and popular Game like SH5, the genre has been a mainstay to the submarine simulation community. Understand when you are a devout hardcore PC gamer, Patches are a way of life. I’m sure Ubisoft released, at the time, a stable version of SH5. Be cognizant of the fact PC Gaming companies will never have a game perfect at release. Unlike a cookie cutter console system i.e. Xbox 360, that every game you purchase works on every other Xbox 360 in the known world! Why, because every console is made same way. When you have an intricate PC game, especially a simulation of the magnitude of SH5, Anyone in their right mind realizes you can’t release the perfect PC game at release. PC Computers have thousands of different hardware configurations out there, People use SCSI, SATA, Nvidia, ATI, AMD, Intel, SoundBlaster, realtec, adlib, Windows Xp, Vista, Mac, Windows 7 and they’re various versions etc. There is no way in hell any PC Gaming developer can appease so many possible hardware configurations. Pc Gaming companies would have to employ 10.000 beta testers to get a lay of the land. In reality no companies are going to spend millions to make one game of many in development, perfect!

Here’s the sad thing about novice PC gamers. First off, a lot of people that buy an expensive PC gaming system our uneducated in the aspects gaming as it relates to the care and maintenance of the relation between software and hardware. I’d say half the people here complaining about the misfortunes of SH5 probably have no idea what a Patch or a driver is, or they have a weak understanding of them, or fail to apply them appropriately. Believe it or not, there are people right now scratching their heads, saying, what the hell are those. And by the way, why is my game not working properly? I'm not going to get into the technical aspects, but I believe I have made my point.

To conclude, People that demand a flawless PC game at release, because they are a paying consumer and demand a great product, well it is, and will be, you just have to be patient. A company like Ubisoft is reputable, and they have made many great titles, they just don’t have Millions lying around to make the perfect game at release. The best form of testing a game is when it's released to the public, the public that has thousands upon thousands of Computer Configurations that relay the problems they are experiencing in respect to they're personnel computer. Understand the magnitude of this undertaking will help appease you’re dissatisfaction.

P.S. Do I think Ubisoft could have done a better job with this specific title, Absolutely! But it is what it is, they will patch it, and it will be better!

Thanks Mulligan

You know , I have to admit that I'd never thought of that, the different PC configs before.

I have to say that I'm struggling with the content rather than the bugs. The lack of variety of targets, the awful AI - well it's killing the game for me at the mo. Hopefully in a few months it can be turned into the game it should have been, till then I've reloaded SH3 GWX.

As for the patch being delayed, the only real gripe I have is the abysmal customer services - I.E. the complete lack of announcements. Releasing the patch in Russia and leaving the rest of us waiting , again with no announcements. Based on this , I really am unlikely to buy another Ubisoft game, be it a subsim or another genere.

[robbo180265]

A most sensible withdraw, i must say some some members conducted an observation with cunning tenacity, and much order, as to as to make such a disposition to surround me. Difficult as the day has been for me, tiredsome as the posts came across, bothered as i am, i must here say i suffered not, but a slight loss of composure. If members think it proper to attack my style and grace, manners, etc then please think again. I will not abandon my posts somewhat prematurely. I make no doubt many do not like my style, but in this instance i came under an unwanted, unprovoked attack. Bring fourth your anxiety and anger, but expect a thunderous seconded response. I humbly beg my last 50-100 posts be reviewed, and iam more than confident iam not at fault, but much has to be said of the wolf pack herein. :salute:

I can understand how non-English speakers may struggle with your posts 4Para.

However, I have to say I love your style and as far as I'm concerned (for what its worth) you can carry on :up:

[doomlordis]

This thread is for patch 2 news so stop posting egospastic intro crap as I keep thinking the patch is out.

[robbo180265]

This thread is for patch 2 news so stop posting egospastic intro crap as I keep thinking the patch is out.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/nazi.jpg

[kylania]

This thread is for patch 2 news so stop posting egospastic intro crap as I keep thinking the patch is out.

You'll know when the patch is out when all the "this patch sucks coz DRM is still in and I won't buy the game" posts start up along side the "this didn't fix whatever" posts. :DL This thread won't be where you find information. heh

[AS]

Er...excuse me,

didn´t someone say the patch was due Monday/Tuesday? Isn´t it Tuesday already? Did I miss something?

:o

Cheers, AS

[mookiemookie]

Er...excuse me,

didn´t someone say the patch was due Monday/Tuesday? Isn´t it Tuesday already? Did I miss something?

:o

Cheers, AS

Pushed back to mid-May.

[Arclight]

No date was giving, seems the latest indication is mid-May. ;)

* beaten to it

[ERPP8]

Pushed back to mid-May.
First the 12th the the 19th now around May 19th (guessing from 'mid may')

[AS]

Do`h! :damn:

[msxyz]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/nazi.jpg

From which movie this image was taken? :06:

[IanC]

From which movie this image was taken? :06:

The only Tom Cruise Nazi movie, "Valkyrie".

[tonschk]

Valkyrie


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