Looks like Obama will have his own little private Army now. [Archive]

Platapus

04-05-10, 07:19 PM

I used to think that Ron Paul had his stuff together. After reading this and his comments about armed IRS bureaucrats invading your home, I am glad I never voted for him.

The U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps is an elite team of more than 6,000 full-time, well-trained, highly qualified public health professionals dedicated to delivering the Nation's public health promotion and disease prevention programs and advancing public health science. Driven by a passion for public service, these men and women serve on the frontlines in the Nation's fight against disease and poor health conditions.
As one of America's seven uniformed services, the Commissioned Corps fills essential public health leadership and service roles within the Nation's Federal Government agencies and programs. The Corps has officers in many professions, including:

Physician (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/physician)
Dentist (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/dentist)
Nurse (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/nurse)
Pharmacist (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/pharmacist)
Dietitian (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/dietitian)
Engineer (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/engineer)
Environmental health officer (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/environmental)
Mental health specialist, including clinical psychologist and clinical social worker (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/healthservices)
Health services officer (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/healthservices)
Scientist/researcher (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/scientist)
Therapist (includes occupational therapy, physical therapy, speech-language pathology, and audiology) (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/therapist)
Veterinarian (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/veterinarian/)

http://www.usphs.gov/aboutus/questions.aspx#whatis

So President Obama now has a private army of dietitians? To arms! To arms!

And if Ron had done just a little bit of research, he might have known that the Commission Corps has been in existence for over 200 years and that it actually does some good stuff.

OneToughHerring

04-05-10, 07:26 PM

So President Obama now has a private army of dietitians? To arms! To arms!

Considering the type of fat bodies most Americans are that might just turn out to be the smartest thing any US president has ever done. :har:

razark

04-05-10, 07:38 PM

So President Obama now has a private army of dietitians? To arms! To arms!

Aside from that, as "Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States" according to the Constitution, he already has an army.

Bubblehead1980

04-05-10, 08:02 PM

I have never really cared for the Patriot Act.I do believe it has helped fight terrorism, we have not been attacked since 9/11.However, it definitely should be done away with due to it's attacks on personal liberties.

This "Ready Reserve" he speaks of is much more than extra emergency workers than can be called out in times of emergency Tribesman.Again, watch this clip...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s&feature=related

I remember seeing this on tv when he first said it and bothered me then.Obama is calling for much more than extra doctors, nurses to be called up, he wants them to be as well trained as the military in order to achieve our national security objectives, he says so.That is what the military is for, not a special army.National Security objectives achieved inside the US are handled by DHS, FBI and state/local police or national guards as the descretion of the state's governor, not specialized force who answer directly Obama.Doctor's and Nurses do not need military training when dealing with US civillians.When a disaster occurs we have as said, local/state law enforcement, national guard and if needed, will request FEMA to help. I live in Florida and in 2004 Hurricane Ivan turned where I live into a third world country for a few days.I evacuated but returned two days after and there was no power, running water, roads damaged, 7pm-7am curfew, miserable heat and all but we had local/state police, national guard, Red Cross to help people and did just fine.

Obama now has what can be legitimately argued to be a political police force in it's infancy.I will bet if he is in office long enough and the health care bill is not repealed, we will see these people "called up" and used to help enforce the mandates, not the IRS.I am sure the IRS will play a role but bet these people will be involved.Now I am sure tribesman will try and say I am a conspiracy nut etc but really no one can justify the need for this private army or obama's own words in that clip.The dirtbag was honest and has his little force now.

People seem to think the US is somehow immune from having a real, oppressive dictatorship and we have kind of been so in the past because most of our leaders have had respect for the constitution and rights of the individual and those who have not did not push the public too much because they had a basic love of this country.We are at risk now because we have never had someone with this dangerous ideology and a disdain for this country running the show.Of course he is doing this slowly with a smile under the guise of equality for everyone and making us a utopia because a more heavy handed approach would not really work.Luckily most people have been awaken and thus why his pole numbers continue to drop.The fix is not quite in yet so perhaps the elections in November and the 2012 election will save us from this despot in the making.

Remember....

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same-Ronald Reagan

One of Goldwater's best because it really applies to whats going on now.

Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.-Barry Goldwater

Castout

04-05-10, 08:03 PM

So it's the forming of a govt funded militia?! I don't get it what for??!

Bubblehead1980

04-05-10, 08:05 PM

I used to think that Ron Paul had his stuff together. After reading this and his comments about armed IRS bureaucrats invading your home, I am glad I never voted for him.

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So President Obama now has a private army of dietitians? To arms! To arms!

And if Ron had done just a little bit of research, he might have known that the Commission Corps has been in existence for over 200 years and that it actually does some good stuff.

Obama is calling for something different than what they currently are, his own words, look at the clip and read the bill.I was not a fan of Ron Paul until lately, guy has some great views and ideas.RP in 2012.

Bubblehead1980

04-05-10, 08:11 PM

So it's the forming of a govt funded militia?! I don't get it what for??!

For anything Obama wants...

Bubblehead1980

04-05-10, 08:21 PM

In the minds of the paranoid...

HunterICX

No paranoia here.We have real problems, the President and Dem majority in congress are not solving them, they are only making them worse because they do not care about the constitution and the will of the people.They have an agenda and ideology and are doing their best to see it put in place on America.

So you think only the "paranoid" think we are in trouble? You think we are doing fine and will okay? Do tell.

Rilder

04-05-10, 10:01 PM

Is anyone else imagining a unit of Ak47 wielding therapists screaming "TELL ME ABOUT YOUR MOTHER."

Also, Sniper Dentists, they shoot out all your teeth.

:rotfl2:

krashkart

04-05-10, 10:28 PM

Is anyone else imagining a unit of Ak47 wielding therapists screaming "TELL ME ABOUT YOUR MOTHER."

Also, Sniper Dentists, they shoot out all your teeth.

:rotfl2:

:hmmm:

Perhaps they will enlist dominatrix Dentists, to "discipline" bad teeth. :o

*casts a suspicious glance at frau kaleun* :D

Bubblehead1980

04-05-10, 10:34 PM

:har: nice satire

I had a discussion about this over dinner with people from my work(law firm) mostly liberal or moderate, a couple conservatives.They all seemed to not like the idea of the President, no matter who he is having his own private little force who will be trained like the military but for use in the civillian world.Slippery Slope and all, could lead to a gestapo type situation.Not just about Obama for me, no President should have what he has said in the video below that he wants and apparently will have thanks to the bill.

I believe we have seen hints of the real obama but if he wins a second term, I believe he will show us the real obama because he will have nothing to lose then.Even now he acts as if he does not despite the polls, which is kind of scary, means he is driven by his ideology more than what the citizens want and what the constitution says he can do.Strange days are ahead.

Torvald Von Mansee

04-05-10, 10:35 PM

I guess my question is: when do I get my own private army? Would a pack of Chihuahuas count?

Here's another question to consider: has anyone ever been mauled to death by a pack of Chihuahuas? Because that would be terribly embarrassing. I guess on the bright side it's not something you'd have to live with.

CaptainHaplo

04-05-10, 10:59 PM

I don't like O - but the reality is he wants them trained like a military force - meaning that they have a specific authority structure. They are set up in the same way as a military force - yet their skills (and the training set aside for) are not in military skills - aka - finding ways to kill people. These are, by every definition - doctors of some sort. Thus, I have confidence that they will fulfill the duties of their Hippocratic (sp?) oath and do no harm. Having been in existence for quite some time, this really does little more than formally set in place an authoritarian heirarchy.

There are alot of things this government is doing that is not kosher with the constitution, but this whole "health marshal law" theory has been around for a long while, and nothing ever came of it to date, nor will it.

Besides - who is gonna win - a doctor who can't take a life, or a citizen with a firearm? Keep an eye on gun control legislation!

Tribesman

04-06-10, 01:45 AM

This "Ready Reserve" he speaks of is much more than extra emergency workers than can be called out in times of emergency Tribesman.Again, watch this clip
errr ......thats the same clip:doh:

I remember seeing this on tv when he first said it and bothered me then.Obama is calling for much more than extra doctors, nurses to be called up, he wants them to be as well trained as the military in order to achieve our national security objectives, he says so.
Wow you mean like a civilian reserve version of corps of engineers who help maintain national security and protection of citizens in times of disasters. Or maybe its the civilian national disaster medical teams , but they are under military command already as are the mobile emergency response teams and the USR task force.
Actually that last one sounds ominous doesn't it , they have a bunch of civilians in a task force secretly under the command of the military who will come and seek out people when some politician says its a national security issue.
Tell your lawyers that at dinner and see how bat**** crazy they go about the evil government and its secret army.
Them tell them the evil USR task force is really just the civilian urban search and rescue task force which operatres under the dept. of defence:har::har::har::har:

Physician (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/physician)
Dentist (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/dentist)
Nurse (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/nurse)
Pharmacist (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/pharmacist)
Dietitian (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/dietitian)
Engineer (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/engineer)
Environmental health officer (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/environmental)
Mental health specialist, including clinical psychologist and clinical social worker (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/healthservices)
Health services officer (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/healthservices)
Scientist/researcher (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/scientist)
Therapist (includes occupational therapy, physical therapy, speech-language pathology, and audiology) (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/therapist)
Veterinarian (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/veterinarian/)
Its the gestapo I tell ya:rotfl2:

Rilder

04-06-10, 02:28 AM

* physician - ends your pain with more pain.
* dentist - fights you with plaque
* nurse - seduces you into evil
* pharmacist - prescribes pain
* dietitian - starves you
* engineer - evil death robots
* environmental health officer - lets loose an army of plague bearing rodents.
* mental health specialist, including clinical psychologist and clinical social worker - controls your mind
* health services officer - i dunno i guess orders you to your doom?
* scientist/researcher - zombie virus isn't ready yet.
* therapist (includes occupational therapy, physical therapy, speech-language pathology, and audiology) more mind control.
* veterinarian - cute puppies that rip your face open.
My gods I get it now I know why people are freaking out!!

Oh no the conservatives were right, they are trying to kill us all!!!!

Tribesman

04-06-10, 04:37 AM

My gods I get it now I know why people are freaking out!!

Think about it.
Its Marathon man, Obama is recruiting a secret army of evil nazi dentists to torture true patriots and force them to convert into atheistmuslimcommunists on welfare

Morts

04-06-10, 05:13 AM

Is anyone else imagining a unit of Ak47 wielding therapists screaming "TELL ME ABOUT YOUR MOTHER."

Also, Sniper Dentists, they shoot out all your teeth.

:rotfl2:
how dare you suggest that they would use anything but an all american weapon !!:stare::stare:

sharkbit

04-06-10, 06:22 AM

Think about it.
Its Marathon man, Obama is recruiting a secret army of evil nazi dentists to torture true patriots and force them to convert into atheistmuslimcommunists on welfare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG5Qk-jB0D4

Always gives me the heebie jeebies. :o

:)

mookiemookie

04-06-10, 07:38 AM

What's your point then? Unless they protested the Patriot act they have no right to complain about this now?

No, but it makes you a hypocritical partisan hack.

Rilder

04-06-10, 07:39 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG5Qk-jB0D4

Always gives me the heebie jeebies. :o

:)

And I was just getting over my fear of dentists! :stare:

frau kaleun

04-06-10, 07:52 AM

:hmmm:

Perhaps they will enlist dominatrix Dentists, to "discipline" bad teeth. :o

*casts a suspicious glance at frau kaleun* :D

Ve haf vays to make you floss.

Stealth Hunter

04-06-10, 08:11 AM

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/8/21/128953708888958297.jpg

August

04-06-10, 08:19 AM

No, but it makes you a hypocritical partisan hack.

Oh, you mean hypocritical partisan hack like how you protested the Patriot Act but remain silent about all the stuff your precious Democrats do? I understand completely mookie...

Tribesman

04-06-10, 08:20 AM

And I was just getting over my fear of dentists!
Be afraid, be very afraid, this secret army is not just after the paranoid patriots teeth, once they have done the patriots they will be coming for you.
Come to think of it Bubblehead, this Gestapo thing you have, since they were stereotypicly famous for wearing long leather coats will this medical gestapo be coming for you in long white coats?
Oh no the government is sending men in white coats to round up those really crazy people:rotfl2:

Skybird

04-06-10, 08:28 AM

Is anyone else imagining a unit of Ak47 wielding therapists screaming "TELL ME ABOUT YOUR MOTHER."

that could also go badly wrong for the therapist: Blade Runner, starting scene. :D

Also, Sniper Dentists, they shoot out all your teeth.

:rotfl2:
Thinking of the tooth fairy.:D It shoots your teeth away.:wah:

Skybird

04-06-10, 08:30 AM

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/8/21/128953708888958297.jpg

But who wants to ruin the show - with reason...?! ;)

August

04-06-10, 08:39 AM

hypocritical hitler picture

Gee now that your man is in the White House you suddenly have complaints? Mookie would call you a hypocritical partisan hack.

http://budz.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/bush-hitler.jpg

http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/media/BushHitlerPlakard053.jpg

http://www.otoons.de/politics/images/bush_hitler_.jpg

Onkel Neal

04-06-10, 08:56 AM

Is anyone else imagining a unit of Ak47 wielding therapists screaming "TELL ME ABOUT YOUR MOTHER."

Also, Sniper Dentists, they shoot out all your teeth.

:rotfl2:

lol,:D

Freiwillige

04-06-10, 09:54 AM

Well I am sure it has happened in the past. 1942

Conservative Jew "Hitler has Doctors in the camps and they are killing people!"

Liberal Jewish guy "Oh yea like Hitler's doctors and dentists are going to kill people....You conservative Jews are always shouting fire!"

Sound Familiar? Think it could never happen here?

I am not saying It will but it is better to keep your eyes open and stop every little transgression against our freedoms and Constitution then to live in a false sense of security.

Republicans or Democrats both have wiped there back ends with the Constitution and when that happens hey should be jailed for treason!

antikristuseke

04-06-10, 10:11 AM

Well I am sure it has happened in the past. 1942

Conservative Jew "Hitler has Doctors in the camps and they are killing people!"

Liberal Jewish guy "Oh yea like Hitler's doctors and dentists are going to kill people....You conservative Jews are always shouting fire!"

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that is not how it went, but **** it, why not?
Also, the moon landing is a hoax.
And lets not forget, more reality
http://rense.com/1.imagesH/worship2_dees.jpg

Stealth Hunter

04-06-10, 10:25 AM

Gee now that your man is in the White House you suddenly have complaints? Mookie would call you a hypocritical partisan hack.

A) He's not "my man". I'm a Social Democrat, and therefore a member of the Socialist Party- not a member of the United States Congressional Democratic Party.

B) I'm simply pointing out that calling the additional members of the USPHSCC the Gestapo (or at least comparing them to the Gestapo) is an over-the-top exaggeration and stupid one at that for anyone to make. The Gestapo was a secret police organization, this is the surgeon general's emergency staff which he can call out in case of a national crisis. The Gestapo executed people, the USPHSCC does not execute people. The Gestapo was formed under a Fascist, National Socialist regime, the USPHSCC is part of the United States' democratic republic structure of government.

The United States is not, was not, and will never be a Fascist state, Bush and Obama not Hitler, the additional members to the surgeon general's emergency staff are not at all like the Gestapo in history; if you really think anything otherwise about this country, then I suggest you move to Iran, China, or North Korea to get a real grip on reality and maybe- if you survive-- an understanding of what an oppressive government is really like. You're acting like a spoiled child, as many of your peers are. That's the problem with people: they don't know what freedom really is until they are stripped of all their freedoms. You have not had this done to you yet, stop acting like you have you jackasses.

C) He didn't call me a "hypocritical partisan hack", until he does that's that.

Also, the moon landing is a hoax.

Yep. And Obama's gonna take our guns! He wants to outlaw howitzers and domestically-owned landmines too! He's a dirty Commie I tells ya!:haha:

I must admit, the political idiots always come up with the best comedy lines.

Do you go to Fundies Say The Darndest Things, Krist? I suggest you start submitting entries to the Conspiracy Theorists Say The Darndest Things section.

http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteArchives.aspx?Archive=2

Tribesman

04-06-10, 10:25 AM

I am not saying It will but it is better to keep your eyes open and stop every little transgression against our freedoms and Constitution then to live in a false sense of security.

Yet we are getting a constant trawl of conspiracy theories about government concentration camps and secret armies while loonies in trailers swallow it up and plan for the immininant battle against the evil feds.
its only last week another god guns and the constitution bunch of nuts were pulled in for planning a bombing wasn't it.

August

04-06-10, 10:31 AM

He's not "my man". I'm a Social Democrat, and therefore a member of the Socialist Party- not a member of the United States Congressional Democratic Party.

Then he is indeed your man and BTW there is no such thing as the US Congressional Democratic Party.

I'm simply pointing out that calling the additional members of the USPHSCC the Gestapo (or at least comparing them to the Gestapo) is an over-the-top exaggeration and stupid one at that for anyone to make. The Gestapo was a secret police organization, this is the surgeon general's emergency staff which he can call out in case of a national crisis. The Gestapo executed people, the USPHSCC does not execute people. The Gestapo was formed under a Fascist, National Socialist regime, the USPHSCC is part of the United States' democratic republic structure of government.

I never claimed otherwise.

The United States is not, was not, and will never be a Fascist state, Bush and Obama not Hitler, the additional members to the surgeon general's emergency staff are not at all like the Gestapo in history; if you really think anything otherwise about this country, then I suggest you move to Iran, China, or North Korea to get a real grip on reality and maybe- if you survive-- an understanding of what an oppressive government is really like. You're acting like a spoiled child, as many of your peers are. That's the problem with people: they don't know what freedom really is until they are stripped of all their freedoms. You have not had this done to you yet, stop acting like you have you jackasses.

Hey pal, if you don't like your fellow citizens, if you think we're "jackasses" and "spoiled children" then feel free to go back to whatever country you came from.

He didn't call me a "hypocritical partisan hack", until he does that's that.

well of course he's not going to say anything bad about someone from his side. I was being sarcastic. You know what that means don't you?

Stealth Hunter

04-06-10, 10:32 AM

its only last week another god guns and the constitution bunch of nuts were pulled in for planning a bombing wasn't it.

Really? I hadn't heard about this. Where'd it happen?

Stealth Hunter

04-06-10, 10:46 AM

Then he is indeed your man

...what the ****?

and BTW there is no such thing as the US Congressional Democratic Party.

The Democratic Party. You know what I was referring to. It's part of the United States' Congress, hence the title the United States Congressional Democratic Party... that's not the official title, that's just what I like to call it. And it really is logical. Just as how I refer to the Republican Party as the United States Congressional Republican Party.

I never claimed otherwise.

You made no claim at all, which is exactly the problem here. That paragraph was to address the possible agreement you may have with Bubble's point, and to point out the ludicrousness of it. I hope you're smarter than that and don't think it's true...

Hey pal, if you don't like your fellow citizens, if you think we're "jackasses" and "spoiled children" then feel free to go back to whatever country you came from.

I never said you were all jackasses and spoiled children, only the ones who clamor and claim "FASCISM!" or "SOCIALISM!" or "IT'S THE END OF AMERICA!" from the rooftops (i.e., the Tea Parties- which amount to little more than a loud, large group of nuts who prance around with American flags, anti-government signs, and announce to the world their tacky patriotic-sounding group title), let alone the people who have any sympathy or concurrency with these types. Disliking your fellow citizens is a lot different (not to mention a smaller issue) than disliking your government.

well of course he's not going to say anything bad about someone from his side.

Mookie's a Socialist...?

When did this happen, Mook?

I was being sarcastic.

Oh really? You certainly made it non-evidential.

You know what that means don't you?

Yes. You know what a "hypocritical partisan hack" is don't you?

GoldenRivet

04-06-10, 10:56 AM

Be afraid, be very afraid, this secret army is not just after the paranoid patriots teeth, once they have done the patriots they will be coming for you.
Come to think of it Bubblehead, this Gestapo thing you have, since they were stereotypicly famous for wearing long leather coats will this medical gestapo be coming for you in long white coats?
Oh no the government is sending men in white coats to round up those really crazy people:rotfl2:

Im sure the Schutzstaffel was approached - at least initially - with similar remarks of sarcasm too.

GoldenRivet

04-06-10, 11:01 AM

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/8/21/128953708888958297.jpg

I HAVE A BETTER IDEA

Why dont we take care of it BEFORE they kill 6 million people?

there is a real novel idea!

That picture you posted is folly in its most pure form... it might as well read...

"Lets clear something up right now. All Cancer is bad in some way or another regardless of what kind of cancer it is, but until it causes you to lose 90 lbs and you start puking up blood we will hold off on diagnosing it as malignant."

the problem with having allegiance to a leader so much so that you will follow him to hell...

... is that may be the very place he leads you to.

August

04-06-10, 11:11 AM

(i.e., the Tea Parties- which amount to little more than a loud, large group of nuts who prance around with American flags, anti-government signs, and announce to the world their tacky patriotic-sounding group title), let alone the people who have any sympathy or concurrency with these types. Disliking your fellow citizens is a lot different (not to mention a smaller issue) than disliking your government.

Yeah those "nuts", as you call them, how DARE they oppose the Democrats wild spending spree.

Oh and major burn mentioning their "tacky patriotic-sounding group title" :roll:
You are so good at parroting the Democratic party line aren'tcha?

August

04-06-10, 11:12 AM

Stealth Hunter

04-06-10, 11:13 AM

I HAVE A BETTER IDEA

Why dont we take care of it BEFORE they kill 6 million people?

there is a real novel idea!

That picture you posted is folly in its most pure form... it might as well read...

"Lets clear something up right now. All Cancer is bad in some way or another regardless of what kind of cancer it is, but until it causes you to lose 90 lbs and you start puking up blood we will hold off on diagnosing it as malignant."

the problem with having allegiance to a leader so much so that you will follow him to hell...

... is that may be the very place he leads you to.

Your post is based around your first two statements. So, simply asking, what, exactly, is there in existence to evidence that they (the government) will kill 6,000,000 people in a holocaustesque purge- and that this belief is something more than just a crackpot idea created by a bunch of paranoid morons who aren't fans of dissenting political opinions from their own? Because I'm hearing this kind of stuff a lot more nowadays from quite a few people on the Internet. It is, to say the least, disturbing. President Bush didn't kill 6,000,000 of his own citizens, President Obama isn't going to either.

August

04-06-10, 11:19 AM

It is, to say the least, disturbing. President Bush didn't kill 6,000,000 of his own citizens, President Obama isn't going to either.

That's funny, you've never been disturbed by such comparisons before.

GoldenRivet

04-06-10, 11:36 AM

what, exactly, is there in existence to evidence that they (the government) will kill 6,000,000 people

The health care bill would be a good starting point I suppose.

:haha:

Fact of the matter is that the President of the United States of America already has the United States Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air force, Coast guard and the Secret Service... two questions a neutral and intelligent individual would ask are:

1. Why the need for this private force?

2. Why the need to camouflage it into a health care reform bill?

Stealth Hunter

04-06-10, 11:37 AM

That's funny, you've never been disturbed by such comparisons before.

Oh really? Where have I seriously compared either one to Hitler before?

August

04-06-10, 11:39 AM

Oh really? Where have I seriously compared either one to Hitler before?

I realize that English is a second language for you but that's not what I said.

Stealth Hunter

04-06-10, 11:41 AM

The health care bill would be a good starting point I suppose.

:haha:

You can show it will kill 6,000,000 when it's put into effect later this year?:hmmm:

Fact of the matter is that the President of the United States of America already has the United States Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air force and Coast guard... two questions a neutral and intelligent individual would ask are:

1. Why the need for this private force?

2. Why the need to camouflage it into a health care reform bill?

Maybe you should reread what exactly the USPHSCC is and how President Obama is not their boss...

http://www.usphs.gov/aboutus/questions.aspx#whatis

What is the Commissioned Corps?

The U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps is an elite team of more than 6,000 full-time, well-trained, highly qualified public health professionals dedicated to delivering the Nation's public health promotion and disease prevention programs and advancing public health science. Driven by a passion for public service, these men and women serve on the frontlines in the Nation's fight against disease and poor health conditions.
As one of America's seven uniformed services, the Commissioned Corps fills essential public health leadership and service roles within the Nation's Federal Government agencies and programs. The Corps has officers in many professions, including:

Physician (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/physician)
Dentist (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/dentist)
Nurse (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/nurse)
Pharmacist (http://www.usphs.gov/profession/pharmacist)
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Honestly, I don't see where the Gestapo/holocaust parts are coming into place on this... perhaps you might point them out. Specifically quoted, I mean.

razark

04-06-10, 11:42 AM

The health care bill would be a good starting point I suppose.

:haha:

Fact of the matter is that the President of the United States of America already has the United States Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air force and Coast guard... two questions a neutral and intelligent individual would ask are:

1. Why the need for this private force?

2. Why the need to camouflage it into a health care reform bill?

This force mentioned in the bill is merely an extension of one of the already existing uniformed services. See here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Public_Health_Service_Commissioned_C orps).

It's nothing new, it's been around quite a while, and it's not a private army.

As for why this instead of the army/navy/etc, this is a force of medical folks. They do things the army et al don't. You wouldn't send a group of doctors to fight a war. Why send a platoon of soldiers to provide medical care?

As for it being in the health care reform bill? Because it's health care related.

Of course, this could all be some cover story for the fact that Obama is actually sending out an elite force to hunt down everyone that doesn't agree with him, round them up into camps, give them lobotomies, and then release them into the wilds of Canada. That sounds plausible.

By the way, there is also another branch of the uniformed services. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Corps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Oceanic_and_Atmospheric_Administration_Co mmissioned_Corps), which is in fact, Obama's private force for controlling the weather.

Stealth Hunter

04-06-10, 11:42 AM

I realize that English is a second language for you but that's not what I said.

You said that I wasn't disturbed by such comparisons. So I ask again, where have I ever said that he was Hitler or agreed that he was Hitler with somebody else?

NeonSamurai

04-06-10, 11:46 AM

razark

04-06-10, 11:51 AM

GoldenRivet

04-06-10, 11:51 AM

+1 @ neonsamurai

Though i initially held George W. Bush in high esteem and actually met him in a relaxed social environment (we were virtually 2 of the only 4 or 5 people in the room) he lost a lot of respect from me mostly during his second term.

I have since adopted the idea of viewing all politicians with a skeptical eye.

I am pro small government - pro states rights.

so needless to say i am rather unhappy about the Federal grab for power we have seen here in the past several years specifically.

Tribesman

04-06-10, 01:08 PM

Im sure the Schutzstaffel was approached - at least initially - with similar remarks of sarcasm too.
So the SS were some sort of medical emergency team then?:har:
The whole reason why the OPs approach and all the gestapo/SS comparisons are such a joke and deserve little more than sarcasm is because they are so obviously and demonstrably crazy to the extent that they are entirely detatched from reality.
The reason for the sarcasm is simply because the claims being made by the conspiracy nuts are so ludicrous.

1. Why the need for this private force?

What private force?
2. Why the need to camouflage it into a health care reform bill?
What camouflage?
Can you think of a better bill to put reform of a medical health care organisation into?
The only camouflage being used is by those who attempt to pretend a disaster relief team is some sort of secret nazi army

SteamWake

04-06-10, 03:25 PM

Yeah, our two party system does have some drawbacks. Especially for those who don't fit into either of the two major parties.

That would be nearly 100% of the population. :shifty:

Oh and to the previous posts.. good job on the "tea party nut jobs" thing keep those talking points comming it up someday some folks might believe it. Oh wait some already do.

tater

04-06-10, 03:46 PM

The only person I know who went to any Tea PArties here in ABQ is my mother in law. She's a democrat (I've heard her banter with her republican husband many times on political issues, too). Volunteers at the art museum. She's a polling place worker (whatever they call the supervisors) and has been for years. She's as open minded a person as you'll ever meet. If she heard someone using a racial epithet she'd dress them down on the spot, too.

Hardly a right-wing extremist.

Regarding personal armies, I thought that he already had that. I recall the paramilitary guys who were intimidating voters in Philly, and his Admin dropped the charges recently, did they not?

Bubblehead1980

04-06-10, 07:56 PM

I am not part of it but the Tea Party movement has some great points and I have no problem with them unless they try to run a candidate for president in 2012 and take votes that will help obama win the election.The media and Obama admin try to paint them a racist, crazy right wingers but they are not.The majority or close to it are independent voters, around 10 percent are Democrats.Many blacks and latinos in there as well.Obama admin and lefties in media are just applying some Allinsky tactics.

Now, the clip I left showing obama talking about what he wants shows his intentions for the "civillian national security force" . Hmmm sounds much different the uniformed public health service eh? Obama for all his flaws, is not stupid, he is not as smart as some make him out to be but his intelligent and is an ideologue who wants to do what he can to accomplish his agenda.Now, he is smart enough to know he can't just come out and establish a new armed forced, so he played the system.I would love to know what Senator or Rep inserted this act of treason into the hc bill.Obama gets his "civillian national security force" under the guise of the already existent uniformed public health service.With them answering only to the President and being appointed only be the President, hmmm.Unfortunately people in his country often give a President the benefit of the doubt on things, simply because he is the President.Obama no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt and has not for a while.Honestly he did not deserve it during the campaign when all his shady associations came out but were overlooked for some reason. I know why some did, because he was running as a centrist and was the fresh new guy and everyone was tired of Bush.The time for that has ended though, "change" is happening before our eyes and some people refuse to believe it or acknowledge it.Either they are blind, stupid or do not mind us moving in the direction because they think it will help them and do not realize that.

I am not a wingnut conspiracy theorist, I am a young Conservative who would question a conservative president's actions just the same if he/she was doing things the way obama is and had the shady backround this guy does.Many others who dissent and raise the alarm about things that seem impossible but are happening are often attacked and called crazy etc but are often proven to have been right.I would bet back in Germany people who were warning about Adolf Hitler were called nuts and crazies and in many cases were prob murdered by Hitlers own private little army.Obama thinks he is doing what is right because his entire life he was indoctrinated in far left views.Obama's father and mother were far left, his grandparents were lefties as well.Obama's self described father like mentor Frank Marshall Davis was a communist.Obama admits to seeking out the radicals like socialists in college because he didnt want to be a 'sell out'.Given his positions in past , most of his actions as President, his associations, his comments, it all adds up and it is not far fetched to raise the alarm on this man creating this private army under the guise of the USPHSCC.

Bubblehead1980

04-06-10, 08:09 PM

Do you guys ever take a step back and try to take a more unbiased look at things? I always find the interactions between the two political affiliations rather ironic, as they are near the same and the roles invert as one faction's leader comes to power. Yet neither group ever seems to see it, so wrapped up in their own groups ideology and rhetoric.

When Bush was in power the republican people were standing in defense of him, in general agreement with everything he did. The democrats were frothing at the mouth, calling him the next Hitler, and lots of other stuff, blaming him for everything wrong in the US, claiming that he did not represent 'the people' (love how both sides simultaneously claim to represent "the people" as a whole), was wasting trillions of tax dollars, was going to destroy democracy and the constitution, etc etc etc, plus all the usual the world is going to end stuff.

When Obama came in to power, both groups did a near perfect about face. Now you had democrats defending Obama, and republicans frothing at the mouth, saying pretty much the same stuff the democrats had said about Bush (oh sure there are a few differences over some 'hot button' issues, but the behavior and attitude is about the same).

Without meaning to be insulting to anyone, I am reminded of puppets dancing to the same tune, their limbs moving to the jerking of the strings.

I see your point and yes I take a look back, always have.Things are different now though and we must get people to see that, this is not just politics anymore, it's a non violent war really.For the first time we really have a President who cares more about his dangerous ideology and his agenda than the health of the nation.Obama has shown disregard for public opinion(we the people) the supreme law of the US, the Constitution and his oath to uphold it because he does not value it and things its just something he needs to circumvent.Bush was not perfect but he does love this country and was not going after his critics like the Obama admin and did not have plans that included things like a private army, opressive govt healthcare etc etc The old game of this is just politics no longer applies as I said, this is a real fight for the future, to keep us as that shining city on a hill so to speak.We are in danger of turning into an oppressed nation, difficult for many to see but not impossible, just look at history, many did not realize it until it was too late.Reagan said it best....

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same."

JackAubrey

04-07-10, 03:38 PM

Tribesman

04-07-10, 04:02 PM

There's talk of a new Gestapo, disguised as doctors
Be afraid, be very afraid, once the gestapo have conquered true patriotic America who believe in upholding the constipation and have put the population in concentration camps they will get on a secret magic flying carpet which Obama purchased for his evil personal private air force and go to europe where they will do the same to patriotic europinians.

I am not a wingnut conspiracy theorist
Yes, a secret nazi army disguised as health workers and "hidden" in a piece of very public legislation doesn't sound like a crazy conspiracy theory at all.

Platapus

04-07-10, 04:13 PM

I don't want to offend anyone, but reading this thread creates the image of the USA being a badly run banana republic. There's talk of a new Gestapo, disguised as doctors, the President building a Private Army from health professionals, taking away civil rights by providing healthcare and so on.

This sounds more like "People's Republic of Kneecapsia" and not like a industrialized, modern Country.

Nah, just a bunch of people choosing to interpret events in the worst possible way to further a personal opinion. That's their right. Don't take these posts too seriously. I don't. :D

Zachstar

04-07-10, 06:50 PM

Yeah those "nuts", as you call them, how DARE they oppose the Democrats wild spending spree.

Oh and major burn mentioning their "tacky patriotic-sounding group title" :roll:
You are so good at parroting the Democratic party line aren'tcha?

You do know they were targeting police right? You arent helping your points with such talk.

Zachstar

04-07-10, 06:52 PM

As for this new force. The usual suspects are considering it some horrid thing beyond belief. However there is nothing wrong with a civil service group. Pete knows we could use more dentists.

Ishmael

04-07-10, 07:47 PM

Bubblehead1980

04-07-10, 07:50 PM

Nah, just a bunch of people choosing to interpret events in the worst possible way to further a personal opinion. That's their right. Don't take these posts too seriously. I don't. :D

Not interpreting things in the worst possible way to further my personal opinion.I arm speaking out in a forum on a serious issue that some seem to take lightly and ignore what obama said he wants the ready reserve to be, it's in the youtube link I included in my original post.My biggest problem is the obama regime seems to have no respect for the constitution or the citizens so they continue on with an agenda that is hurting this nation, possibly beyond repair.For a time I believed the damage was not intentional, just the result of having a mental illness called liberalism combined with naivete and ignorance.I even gave the man the benefit of the doubt after he was elected even though I opposed him.I gave him a fair shot but only things he has done that are right is to approve a surge in Afganistan and unblock the federal funding for stem cell research.A slew of recent actions have made me question whether or not the damage is intentional since it's obvious from his past writings as well as current and past associations with radicals who are not fans of America such as Wright, Ayers, Jones, Dunne, Frank Marshall Davis, Jim Wallace etc etc etc etc that he is not a big fan of American as she is and has been. One can only give the man the benefit of the doubt for so long, many did when they voted for him and are having regrets about that decision now.

Ishmael

04-07-10, 08:04 PM

Not interpreting things in the worst possible way to further my personal opinion.I arm speaking out in a forum on a serious issue that some seem to take lightly and ignore what obama said he wants the ready reserve to be, it's in the youtube link I included in my original post.My biggest problem is the obama regime seems to have no respect for the constitution or the citizens so they continue on with an agenda that is hurting this nation, possibly beyond repair.For a time I believed the damage was not intentional, just the result of having a mental illness called liberalism combined with naivete and ignorance.I even gave the man the benefit of the doubt after he was elected even though I opposed him.I gave him a fair shot but only things he has done that are right is to approve a surge in Afganistan and unblock the federal funding for stem cell research.A slew of recent actions have made me question whether or not the damage is intentional since it's obvious from his past writings as well as current and past associations with radicals who are not fans of America such as Wright, Ayers, Jones, Dunne, Frank Marshall Davis, Jim Wallace etc etc etc etc that he is not a big fan of American as she is and has been. One can only give the man the benefit of the doubt for so long, many did when they voted for him and are having regrets about that decision now.

You seem to think that there is a difference between the Demo-Corporatist Party and the Republo-corporatist party. I say,

Same-same pidgen

BOTH parties are wholly owned and controlled subsidiaries of our new Corporate Citizens. You know, the ONLY citizens who have any REAL influence on this country. What we say or do has absolutely NO IMPACT on our daily lives. Get used to it.

Tribesman

04-07-10, 08:11 PM

I arm speaking out in a forum on a serious issue that some seem to take lightly and ignore what obama said he wants the ready reserve to be, it's in the youtube link I included in my original post
You just don't get it at all.
You took what was said, twisted it out of all semblance of reality and are still ranting about how real your warped version is long after its been spelt out in black and white for all to see that its just crazy conspiracy nonsense you are spouting.:doh:

Bubblehead1980

04-07-10, 08:12 PM

And here I thought the new Gestapo was all those corporate mercenary armies we employ throughout the globe. Or is it the NEW NSA who spys on US now instead of foreign nationals overseas? Will Obama use these doctors to assassinate US citizen Anwar al Awlaki ala Isoroku Yamamoto instead of arresting him and trying him for High Treason?

We do not employ "corporate mercenary armies" we use private security firms such as Blackwater or whatever they changed their name to because the press ganged up on them.

Honestly, if we get the chance we should assassinte Anwar al Awlaki, this fool is piece of garbarge who obviously does not care he is a US citizen, so hopefully a predator drone will find him soon.

Again, this force will not be just a bunch of doctors, nurses etc with 2,800 authorized strength as it has been in the past , if they were then obama would not have talked about them needing to be as well trained as the military to help us reach our "national security objectives" , also upped their numbers to 6000. I would bet that if obama is president long enough and IF the HC "reform" bill stays in as law, then I have a feeling we will see these people used in much different manner than intended when they were created years ago.Will they be the Gestapo, eh prob not but usedf in striking similar manner, maybe. The man does not believe in the constitution or what the citizens want so what is to stop him? Esp with a private army of 6,000.The thing we have to fear most is his second term, when he does not even have to worry about being elected again.

Bubblehead1980

04-07-10, 08:16 PM

You seem to think that there is a difference between the Demo-Corporatist Party and the Republo-corporatist party. I say,

Same-same pidgen

BOTH parties are wholly owned and controlled subsidiaries of our new Corporate Citizens. You know, the ONLY citizens who have any REAL influence on this country. What we say or do has absolutely NO IMPACT on our daily lives. Get used to it.

Could you be more cynical? What we say and do does have impact, it's called voting.The influence of corporate america is there but not to the degree you asserted.The apathy by many people who see things like you are what has led to many of our problem.

razark

04-07-10, 08:20 PM

...what obama said he wants the ready reserve to be, it's in the youtube link I included in my original post.

Can you please give me a context for the statement Obama makes in this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s&feature=related, the first video you linked to. Where was he speaking, who was he speaking to, can you provide a link to the rest of this speech?

Can you also show that he was speaking in this clip about the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps in that clip?

Can you please show how the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps is a "private army" for Obama, when it has been in existence for many years?

Can you show me how expanding an already existing agency is forming a private army that answers only to Obama?

Can you show how providing for a reserve for that Corps, to take up slack when things get rough, is providing Obama with a private army?

Please demonstrate these things.

If you can't provide _solid_ evidence for this, then your speculation remains only speculation, and furthermore, it sounds like nothing more than the paranoid rantings of an anti-government nutcase.

Bubblehead1980

04-07-10, 08:22 PM

You just don't get it at all.
You took what was said, twisted it out of all semblance of reality and are still ranting about how real your warped version is long after its been spelt out in black and white for all to see that its just crazy conspiracy nonsense you are spouting.:doh:

No, it is you who does not get it.You seem to give them a pass on every subject.I am not spouting crazy conspiracy nonsense, I showed you a video of him saying exactly what he wanted this force to be.I pointed out that in the past, they have been a service of doctors, nurses, engineers etc with authorized strength of 2,800.I am just going off of what Obama said he wants them to be, except now they have an authorized strength of 6,000 right now, could grow next time it is snuck into a bill.I could be wrong but doubt it, regardless this should concern everyone in America.

Watch this AGAIN and see if it gets through:damn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s&feature=related

Can not help but laugh at all the sheep clapping as he talks, funny yet disgusting.:har::damn:

Platapus

04-07-10, 08:23 PM

The man does not believe in the constitution or what the citizens want so what is to stop him?

At least my Tin Foil stock is going up. :yeah:

You have an interesting perspective on events, I do have to admit.

Thanks for sharing.

Bubblehead1980

04-07-10, 08:53 PM

At least my Tin Foil stock is going up. :yeah:

You have an interesting perspective on events, I do have to admit.

Thanks for sharing.

lol@ the tin foil comment, does not bother me but funny because I have used that to refer to people in the past.I am not a anti-government nut, a conspiracy theorist etc regardless of what certain people may say.I do believe in the constitution which means limited federal power and intervention.Since the plague of liberalism struck America a while back, there have been more assaults upon the constitution than ever before and they continue today. I do believe in moral clarity, there is good and evil in this world.Not going on the religious perspective here, because I am an atheist.However, with all the "evil in the world, it is apparent some people as they say in the south "just ain't right" I believe Obama thinks he is doing what is right because his entire life he was indoctrinated in marxism etc, combine that with his race and class issues(made very apparent in his book Dreams of my Father, authored before he was in politics, perhaps a product of the marxism he got from his mother, frank marshall davis etc), this has led us to what we have now.Those who believe they are doing the right thing and go to extremes such as he seems to be doing, are those who create the most hellish tyrannies.

Many in America have a certain degree of naivete when it comes to this because it has never happened in American yet or even really attempted and we seem secure, this has lead to a lack of vigilance and it seems we have the first real threat to America as we know it.I could be wrong but I doubt it, I honestly hope I am but it's going on right in front of us everyday, many seem to have awoken but some are still in denial.Only way to stop it is to vote him out and vote out the dem majority in the congress.Call me an optimist but really believe if we do this, things will improve.The GOP has learned from the election of Obama and the Dems and will not make mistakes of the past.Again, I could be wrong but I hope not.

Bubblehead1980

04-07-10, 09:01 PM

Can you please give me a context for the statement Obama makes in this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s&feature=related, the first video you linked to. Where was he speaking, who was he speaking to, can you provide a link to the rest of this speech?

Can you also show that he was speaking in this clip about the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps in that clip?

Can you please show how the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps is a "private army" for Obama, when it has been in existence for many years?

Can you show me how expanding an already existing agency is forming a private army that answers only to Obama?

Can you show how providing for a reserve for that Corps, to take up slack when things get rough, is providing Obama with a private army?

Please demonstrate these things.

If you can't provide _solid_ evidence for this, then your speculation remains only speculation, and furthermore, it sounds like nothing more than the paranoid rantings of an anti-government nutcase.

I simply do not have time at moment to type out another long response so will do it later when i return from night out or tomorrow when i have a chance but do have a response.

This video with the judge spells it out pretty well for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcgewO2l73g

razark

04-07-10, 09:53 PM

I simply do not have time at moment to type out another long response so will do it later when i return from night out or tomorrow when i have a chance but do have a response.

This video with the judge spells it out pretty well for now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcgewO2l73g

At 1:00, the judge says "they can work in the Public Health Service", refering to the doctors added to the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. So, the doctors added to the Public Health Service could work in the Public Health Service? Interesting logic there...

He goes on to say "...they will train with the military... have the powers of the military..." He neglects to mention that they are already doing so.

The Public Health Service Commissioned Corps is one of two uniformed services that only consist of commissioned officers and has no enlisted or warrant officer ranks. Officers of the PHS are classified as noncombatants, unless directed to serve as part of the armed forces by the President or detailed to a service branch of the armed forces. Members of the PHSCC wear the same uniforms as the United States Navy with special corps insignia and hold ranks equivalent to those of naval officers. Officers of the PHSCC receive their commissions through the PHSCC's direct commissioning program.
...
The PHSCC allocate officers to all seven uniformed services depending on the health and/or medical needs of the other uniformed services.
...
The Corps uses the same commissioned officer ranks as the United States Navy and Coast Guard from ensign to admiral, uniformed services pay grades O-1 through O-10 respectively. USPHS Commissioned Corps officers are appointed via direct commission and receive the same pay as other members of the uniformed services. They cannot hold a dual commission with another service but inter-service transfers are permitted.
...
In certain duty situations, a PHSCC officer can be allocated to another uniformed service. For example, the NOAA Corps do not commission medical officers on board ship so the PHSCC allocates officers to them. The PHSCC also allocates and details a number of officers to the United States Coast Guard. Because of this close relationship, if a PHSCC officer is on assignment with the Coast Guard, the officer is required to wear the same service uniforms as regular Coast Guard officers, but still bearing PHSCC insignia to identify them.

So they already work and train with the military. They are a corps of comissioned officers in one of the uniformed services. So, nope, it's no surprise they operate similarly to the military.

At 3:45, he refers to Obama calling for a "domestic military" during the campaign. Was this perhaps the 21 second video you keep pointing us to? And can anybody link that quote to the USPHS Commissioned Corps?

I also caught at least a couple of times where he's confusing the issue of the Commissioned Corps with presidential authority over the National Guard.

So, I still don't see how this expansion of an already existing uniformed service is in any way the creation of Obama's private army. By the way, is 6,000 doctors, dentists, nurses, psychologists, and veterinarians going to be enough for Obama to win his revolution against the regular military and citizens that will oppose him?

Let's look at some of the evil, nefarious deeds of this "private army", shall we?

In 1989, his medical officers helped victims of Hurricane Hugo and the Loma Prieta, California, earthquake. In the early 1990s, PHS officers provided medical care to citizens affected by flooding in various areas of the United States including Alaska. In 1994, Corps officers were involved in the recovery effort of the Northridge, California earthquake. In 1995, Corps officers were sent to help with the aftermath of the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. More than 1,000 Corps officers were deployed to New York City after the attacks on September 11, 2001 to aid victims and provide medical and mental health services to responders and rescue workers. In 2005, in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, over 1,000 PHS officers deployed to set up field hospitals and render aid and assistance to evacuees and responders.

Foul demon bastards of pure evil, indeed.

* 1999—hospital center at Fort Dix, NJ, for Kosovo refugees
* 2001—terrorist attacks
* 2001—anthrax attacks
* 2004/2005—tsunami and earthquake in Indonesia
* 2005—hurricanes Katrina and Rita
* 2006—earthquake in Hawaii
* 2006—medicine contamination in Panama

Will they stop at nothing?!? I bet they're involved in plans for fluoridation of water, too! We can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

Tribesman

04-08-10, 02:04 AM

I showed you a video of him saying exactly what he wanted this force to be.
Yes:rotfl2:
Watch this AGAIN and see if it gets through
Ah the CAPS LOCK, are you having a Kaczynski moment?

A quick question for ya bubble.
When you had that little discussion over dinner with your people from work, in which manner were they in agreement?
Were they saying "yes" as in ....wow that new kids amazing, only just out of school and already exposing nefarious plans of diabolical stature right at the heart of the government of the worlds superpower?
Or were they saying "yes" in the way they would when they unexpectedly meet a person who wants representation as he has just escaped from the captivity of the Amish Occupied Government who kidnapped him in a secret black horse drawn stealth helicopter because he was just about to expose their evil plot with the foriegn Canadians to build a maple syrup pipeline through the heart of small town USA?

Bubblehead1980

04-08-10, 05:45 PM

Yes:rotfl2:

Ah the CAPS LOCK, are you having a Kaczynski moment?

A quick question for ya bubble.
When you had that little discussion over dinner with your people from work, in which manner were they in agreement?
Were they saying "yes" as in ....wow that new kids amazing, only just out of school and already exposing nefarious plans of diabolical stature right at the heart of the government of the worlds superpower?
Or were they saying "yes" in the way they would when they unexpectedly meet a person who wants representation as he has just escaped from the captivity of the Amish Occupied Government who kidnapped him in a secret black horse drawn stealth helicopter because he was just about to expose their evil plot with the foriegn Canadians to build a maple syrup pipeline through the heart of small town USA?

Tribesman, there you go again.No not having a "Kaczynski" moment, I am sure you are closer to that mindset than I am.

Oh dinner, well naturally the two actual Liberals were prob the most skeptical but they are blind like obama and most of his supporters, but they did agree that no President needs a force as described.The mods and conservatives seemed to sincerely agree.Free and open discussion should be had without mockery because of disagreement.You constantly mock because you have no legitimate way to counter what I have said, so you result as most Liberals do to insults and mockery.Some things out there are just nutty but points I have raised are not.I base my arguments on things such as obama's willingness to circumvent the constitution, ignore a large percentage of the population's objections to health control, his past and current involvement with socialists, communists, his racist thoughts in his book Dreams of my Fathers, which he authored before he ever had a chance of being President, his constant lies, broken promises such as transparency etc Something like forming some type of a "civillian national security force" out of the already existing USPHSCC is not far fetched because it is a way to get what he wants without raising too much alarm.Lets say a new force was created on it's own without vague language in bill in lieu of the expansion of an already existing force that can be used solely at his descretion, there would be much more of an outcry, even from the Left.Obama for all his faults is not stupid, not as smart as he is made out to be but definitely not stupid.I and many others out there base this on his behavior and ideology as well as the action of increasing this force to 6000, what will it increase to next time, 10,000?
This increase in the force should be greatly scrutinized due to obama's past comments about what he wants and no President should go without scrutiny esp obama, due to his sketchy past as well as current attitude and behavior.Again, I hope I am wrong about this one.

Platapus

04-08-10, 05:54 PM

Bubblehead, look on the bright side, if you are right, then the next Republican President would also have this private army. :D

Bubblehead1980

04-08-10, 06:06 PM

At 1:00, the judge says "they can work in the Public Health Service", refering to the doctors added to the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. So, the doctors added to the Public Health Service could work in the Public Health Service? Interesting logic there...

He goes on to say "...they will train with the military... have the powers of the military..." He neglects to mention that they are already doing so.

So they already work and train with the military. They are a corps of comissioned officers in one of the uniformed services. So, nope, it's no surprise they operate similarly to the military.

At 3:45, he refers to Obama calling for a "domestic military" during the campaign. Was this perhaps the 21 second video you keep pointing us to? And can anybody link that quote to the USPHS Commissioned Corps?

I also caught at least a couple of times where he's confusing the issue of the Commissioned Corps with presidential authority over the National Guard.

So, I still don't see how this expansion of an already existing uniformed service is in any way the creation of Obama's private army. By the way, is 6,000 doctors, dentists, nurses, psychologists, and veterinarians going to be enough for Obama to win his revolution against the regular military and citizens that will oppose him?

Let's look at some of the evil, nefarious deeds of this "private army", shall we?

Foul demon bastards of pure evil, indeed.

Will they stop at nothing?!? I bet they're involved in plans for fluoridation of water, too! We can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

I explain in my response to tribesman, perhaps the increase the size and plans to change the role of the USPHSCC? Anyone should find his comment from that video distrubing.Just because the service has been used for good in the past does not mean, esp with the new officers they will recruit that it's purpose will be something so innocent in the times aheads.I have not been able to find where he said that but I remember seeing it during the campaign and was disturbed by it then.I had heard nothing else about it, figured maybe he gave up on it, then when I heard it was in the bill and did some research, questions began to mount.Now I could be wrong but it's wrong to just give him a free pass like so many did during the campaign and a few even continue to do now.

I believe what the Judge meant when he said they will have the powers of the military, this will be due to training and equipment and no doubt some executive order will ensure they will likely be armed while serving inside the US and could be used as an enforcement arm someday, esp if the numbers are increased beyond 6000, perhaps they could be used to enforce the unpopular mandates in health care, along with the IRS. Ever hear of posse comitatus? This would prevent him from using the actual military, thus why he specified what he wanted in the video. These are questions that should be raised.I have stated I could be wrong and hope that I am but given how he is, doubt I am.I suppose we shall see.

Bubblehead1980

04-08-10, 06:08 PM

Bubblehead, look on the bright side, if you are right, then the next Republican President would also have this private army. :D

No President should have this private army.Obama just seems to have more potential to use this for what he sees as good but is in reality, not a good thing.Slippery Slope, the constitution and laws such as posse comitatus are there for a reason, but he just thinks they are things to circumvent to meet his agenda.

razark

04-08-10, 06:22 PM

I explain in my response to tribesman, perhaps the increase the size and plans to change the role of the USPHSCC? Anyone should find his comment from that video distrubing.Just because the service has been used for good in the past does not mean, esp with the new officers they will recruit that it's purpose will be something so innocent in the times aheads.I have not been able to find where he said that but I remember seeing it during the campaign and was disturbed by it then.I had heard nothing else about it, figured maybe he gave up on it, then when I heard it was in the bill and did some research, questions began to mount.Now I could be wrong but it's wrong to just give him a free pass like so many did during the campaign and a few even continue to do now.

I believe what the Judge meant when he said they will have the powers of the military, this will be due to training and equipment and no doubt some executive order will ensure they will likely be armed while serving inside the US and could be used as an enforcement arm someday, esp if the numbers are increased beyond 6000, perhaps they could be used to enforce the unpopular mandates in health care, along with the IRS. Ever hear of posse comitatus? This would prevent him from using the actual military, thus why he specified what he wanted in the video. These are questions that should be raised.I have stated I could be wrong and hope that I am but given how he is, doubt I am.I suppose we shall see.

Short version: "Perhaps, speculation, could be, if, speculation, I don't like him, therefore I oppose him."

That's basically what I'm getting from your response. I see no evidence that Obama intends to create a force (or alter an existing force), to operate as his "private army". I only see speculation.

Bubblehead1980

04-08-10, 06:32 PM

Short version: "Perhaps, speculation, could be, if, speculation, I don't like him, therefore I oppose him."

That's basically what I'm getting from your response. I see no evidence that Obama intends to create a force (or alter an existing force), to operate as his "private army". I only see speculation.

Speculation based on his own words, actions, history, ideology and now this provision slipped into the HC bill.I am currently working on trying to find out who slipped it in there.Wondering which traitor it was.Again, this is a subject worth discussing.What bothers me is those who do like him just blindly follow him.I never blindly follow a President, regardless of party etc, just crazy to blindly follow anyone or anything.Just glad we have elections this year that will most likely stop his agenda and 2012 can tell him to go kick rocks.

razark

04-08-10, 06:41 PM

Speculation based on his own words, actions, history, ideology and now this provision slipped into the HC bill.I am currently working on trying to find out who slipped it in there.Wondering which traitor it was.Again, this is a subject worth discussing.What bothers me is those who do like him just blindly follow him.I never blindly follow a President, regardless of party etc, just crazy to blindly follow anyone or anything.Just glad we have elections this year that will most likely stop his agenda and 2012 can tell him to go kick rocks.

You still haven't shown any evidence that this expansion of the Commissioned Corps is anything evil. Why exactly is it treason, again?

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

That doesn't sound very much like "Let's add medical professionals to help during emergencies" to me.

Snestorm

04-09-10, 12:17 AM

USA's government grows bigger and bigger, while those forced to fund it grow poorer and poorer.

Tribesman

04-09-10, 02:52 AM

You constantly mock because you have no legitimate way to counter what I have said
You were countered straight away.
All you are able to do is repeat your crazy conspiracy about nazi dentists and say "look at what he said".
It was clear from the outset that once you looked at what he was talking about in relation to what he said that your "concerns" on that particular issue were rather insane.
Since all you are able to do is repeat your "look at what he said" line about the evil conspiracy of gestapo therapists then the legitimate counter has no more role to play as it has done its job fully already, which means it time for mockery of what is obviously no more than a conspiracy theory of the more nutty variety.
By the end of page 1 you should have realised that your theory seemed full of holes , by the end of page 2 you should have realised it was shot to pieces, by the end of page 3 you should have realised there was nothing left of your theory anymore.....yet here we are with you persisting that people need to look at what he said.

I don't know how to break it to ya bubble, but it is because people have actually looked at what he said that has exposed your conspiracy theory for what it is.

No not having a "Kaczynski" moment, I am sure you are closer to that mindset than I am.

Leftists socialist liberals conspiracies and evil governments taking away freedoms with sneaky hidden legislation......Are you sure you didn't co author the manifesto of that nutty terrorist?:rotfl2: