[REQ] Adding the type II and IX

[McBeck]

Hi all modders

Its been one of the paint points of the game....so I say to you that we can get these subs in the game.

How?

We need somebody to do the exterior 3D models...thats the hardest part as we can get the 3D models converted to work with game.
The interior is probably a big piece of work, but maybe the VII interior will OK for now?

Comments?

[TempDude]

The type IX wasnt all that different from the type VII.
The former had more length, mass, slightly extended range and an extra rear torp-tube. Other than that they didnt really stand out. Visually they didnt have the "saddle-tanks" of the type VII so it had a sleeker appearence.
The Type IX were also less manouverable and took longer to dive as compared to the type VII.
In short, is it worth the trouble of making a new sub for SH5?

As for the type II: It was a boat designed not to stray too far from the coast. If the Type II were to be introduced into SH5 then new short-range missions would have to be made.

Those or just my 2 cents though.

[Gammelpreusse]

The type IX wasnt all that different from the type VII.
The former had more length, mass, slightly extended range and an extra rear torp-tube. Other than that they didnt really stand out. Visually they didnt have the "saddle-tanks" of the type VII so it had a sleeker appearence.
The Type IX were also less manouverable and took longer to dive as compared to the type VII.
In short, is it worth the trouble of making a new sub for SH5?

As for the type II: It was a boat designed not to stray too far from the coast. If the Type II were to be introduced into SH5 then new short-range missions would have to be made.

Those or just my 2 cents though.

Absolutely worth it, as the range was not just a bit extended, depending on Version it even put the fleet boats to shame. Added to that comes a much larger torpedo count. All in all I much preferred the IX over the VII in SH3, it's a real pity that boat is not included here, imho.

[Reaperman]

Yea i like the type 9 as well, its more of a big navy boat and less of a steel tube of death. :) Did they have a wider deck as well?

Type 9 is the best convoy killer, bar none.

[AOTD_Rhonen]

the main problem is, that at this time no one can import any type of 3d models to the GR2 files.:hmmm:

[McBeck]

the main problem is, that at this time no one can import any type of 3d models to the GR2 files.:hmmm:I got a way...lets put it like that ;)

[Ark]

The type IX wasnt all that different from the type VII.
The former had more length, mass, slightly extended range and an extra rear torp-tube. Other than that they didnt really stand out. Visually they didnt have the "saddle-tanks" of the type VII so it had a sleeker appearence.
The Type IX were also less manouverable and took longer to dive as compared to the type VII.
In short, is it worth the trouble of making a new sub for SH5?

As for the type II: It was a boat designed not to stray too far from the coast. If the Type II were to be introduced into SH5 then new short-range missions would have to be made.

Those or just my 2 cents though.


The LAST thing we want is more options!

:D

[Sledgehammer427]

in my american version of the game I have a type IIA folder with everything but a .dat and 3d files. it even has a .sim and a .zon.

in the NSS_Uboat2a.cfg it is even listed as human playable. :o

:hmmm:

[McBeck]

in my american version of the game I have a type IIA folder with everything but a .dat and 3d files. it even has a .sim and a .zon.

in the NSS_Uboat2a.cfg it is even listed as human playable. :o

:hmmm:
Yup its in there...

Guess the devs were working on it, but didnt have time/budget to complete it, so they left it in there for us to continue on ;)
\data\Submarine\NSS_Uboat2a

[[ISI]tshock9325]

Yes!!! Let's bring back the Type IX, my personal favorite of all the uboats, imo it seems to be the best and most versatile sub they had.

[oscar19681]

Seriously i would only really see this happen and done right if the devs deside to release an addon.

[wamphyri]

In the texture directory there's uboat9d2 textures .. and uboat 18 textures .. I dont know if their leftover from sh3 or new .. but worth a look.

[ERPP8]

Come back in a year when the modding goes from bug fixes to new ships and things.

[bigboywooly]

In the texture directory there's uboat9d2 textures .. and uboat 18 textures .. I dont know if their leftover from sh3 or new .. but worth a look.

From SH4 IIRC
The US fleet boat textures are all in there too

Type 2 ingame as AI

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/mission%20editor/type2-1.jpg

[Madox58]

If I can get permission?
We have a KILLER Type 9 ref built for the now defunct GWX 4.
I've completed part of the conversion to SH5.

I'm hopeing he will respond to an E-mail I sent.

[thruster]

there is another thread of an E-boat conversion. how will that be added as playable? hes putting awesome work into that with stunning results; wont he have the same issues as trying to make a playable Type 9?

[yes, clearly i have zero knowledge of this black magic you call "programming"]:hmmm:

[Chromius]

And there is already a Type II Torpedo room and Engine room of better than SH5 quality already modeled, they were seperatley started for SH 4 but will probably make it into SH 5 someday,especially given that there is an already a Type II exterior model, just need Control Room and conning.

[Madox58]

It's all on the way!
You can count on that!
All the work done in past sims, and more, will make it into SH5!
Now if we could just fly the aircraft...............
:hmmm:

[thruster]

It's all on the way!
You can count on that!
All the work done in past sims, and more, will make it into SH5!
Now if we could just fly the aircraft...............
:hmmm:

...im so excited.....i have to leave the room now...:woot:

[TempDude]

I didnt realise how much people loved the IX..I stand corrected :) :salute:

[Sgtmonkeynads]

Will we beable to switch in between models, when I finnaly make it to the Med. I do not want to be stuck in a type IX. That would be suicide. But nor do I want a type II when doing Drumbeat.

I'm sure it will be all figured out by that time anyway.
This is truely great news. Can not wait for this and more ships to be imported.

[McBeck]

If I can get permission?
We have a KILLER Type 9 ref built for the now defunct GWX 4.
I've completed part of the conversion to SH5.

I'm hopeing he will respond to an E-mail I sent.
Did you get the 3D model into SH5?

[Chromius]

If I can get permission?
We have a KILLER Type 9 ref built for the now defunct GWX 4.
I've completed part of the conversion to SH5.

I'm hopeing he will respond to an E-mail I sent.

Was there ever a WIP Thread or a thread with some pics of this? I remember checking back at some point to see GWX4 was not going to happen, but never saw any threads or pics of the Type IX.

[Madox58]

I'll see about some screen shots of it.
It's a very nice model!

@McBeck

The dat's are nearly completed as far as converting to SH5.
If we can use it,
The type VII interior stuff could be used as a placeholder till
a proper interior is built.

[piri_reis]

I knew the other subs would make it in someday, awesome info and progress privateer :up::up::up:

[Madox58]

Ref's Type IXC for SH4!
This is NOT your standard IXC converted from SH3 or SH4!
:rock:

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/ixc04uv8.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/ixc02bg3.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/IXC10copy.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/IXC09copy.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/IXC08copy.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/IXC07copy.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/IXC06copy.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/IXC05copy.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/IXC04copy.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/IXC03copy.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/IXC02copy.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/IXC01copy.jpg

[Sledgehammer427]

oh my

O_O

excuse me while I collect my lower jaw from the floor

[thruster]

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!:yeah:

[Madox58]

Yes,
Ref did one HELL of a job!
:rock:

I wish I still had his Type VIIA for SH4.
I'd dump the SH5 version in the blink of an eye!
:yeah:

[Sgtmonkeynads]

Brings a tear to my eye to think that someone would take the time to create a piece of art like that just for me to use.:D

I can't wait.

[reaper7]

Sweet Jesus. :o

Thats one lovely piece of Art.

[Madox58]

The Turm is just as detailed.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/Ref_Type_IXC/Turm_Details.jpg

This is from his VIIA
But you get the idea.

[McBeck]

Do you need help getting it from 3D studio max to GR2?

[rocker_lx]

This Type IX is great. Good work! Just one question, what resolution is the texture? DO you think higher res would be possible?

[bigboywooly]

I wish I still had his Type VIIA for SH4.
I'd dump the SH5 version in the blink of an eye!
:yeah:

Just had a look and I dont have it either
7c yes not the 7A though
That IX is a class piece of modelling

[Nordmann]

Fantastic work! You'll need a new interior for the IX though, as the current one is far too small.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Outstanding! :rock:

IX was always my favorite!

Great to see you still modding around, Privateer!
We need strong and smart modders like you to bring SH5 into a "playable" status.

Hope to see more work from you soon!

[Hartmann]

Fantastic work! You'll need a new interior for the IX though, as the current one is far too small.

Yes but we can live some time with a VII interior until people manage to moddify interiors :up:

[[ISI]tshock9325]

:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:rock::rock: holy CRAPPP REF, that is friken insane, ubi should hire you, you just owned their modeling department, wow, I can't put it into words :salute:

[Fr8monkey]

I only have 1 word...


w o w !!!

[Madox58]

:timeout:
Let's be VERY Clear about one thing.
:yep:
I did not do the 3D Model!
:damn:
Ref did!
:rock:

I'm only reworking it for SH5 while waiting for permission from him
to use it.

[Philipp_Thomsen]

:timeout:
Let's be VERY Clear about one thing.
:yep:
I did not do the 3D Model!
:damn:
Ref did!
:rock:

I'm only reworking it for SH5 while waiting for permission from him
to use it.

LOL!

True, true... I forgot.

Anyways, great work, Ref! :rock:

And thank you Priv for working on bringing it to SH5.

[McBeck]

LOL!

True, true... I forgot.

Anyways, great work, Ref! :rock:

And thank you Priv for working on bringing it to SH5.
So how are we doing on this?
What about the IIA? Can ref take the model in SH5 and improve it?

[Madox58]

Ref has not visited SubSim in quite sometime.
I've not received any return E-Mails or PM's from him.
No one has that I'm aware of.

I only hope he is doing fine and just grew tired of Sub Simming stuff.
I sure do miss his fantastic work in many areas of the SH series.

[McBeck]

Ref has not visited SubSim in quite sometime.
I've not received any return E-Mails or PM's from him.
No one has that I'm aware of.

I only hope he is doing fine and just grew tired of Sub Simming stuff.
I sure do miss his fantastic work in many areas of the SH series.
Do we have access to the current models, so we can continue with them - credit to him of course?

[Madox58]

We only have the type IXC.
It was built for SH4 but never released.
No one has a copy of any of the other subs Ref built
that I am aware of.

I've searched through every storage device I have.
But I can't find them.
:nope:

[McBeck]

But we DO have a copy of the IXC right?

Theres a IIA in the game - cant we enable that?

[Madox58]

BBW has put the IIA in Game as an AI U-Boat.
The scopes need lowered yet.
:yep:

I'd say it could be made playable with a bit of work.

The IXC needs alot of work to get it up to standard for SH5.
Export of all parts from the dats,
Finish work on some parts,
Re-scaleing,
Placement of parts and helpers in 3D Max,
etc.

Then it would be ready for import and whatever work needs done for
interiors, crew, etc.

Some of the stuff needing done is out of my area.
Like UPCGE

[McBeck]

BBW has put the IIA in Game as an AI U-Boat.
The scopes need lowered yet.
:yep:

I'd say it could be made playable with a bit of work.

The IXC needs alot of work to get it up to standard for SH5.
Export of all parts from the dats,
Finish work on some parts,
Re-scaleing,
Placement of parts and helpers in 3D Max,
etc.

Then it would be ready for import and whatever work needs done for
interiors, crew, etc.

Some of the stuff needing done is out of my area.
Like UPCGE
OK, so its not just doing the 3D model and copy the interior of the VII - understood :) Never done modding, so dont know the extend of work needed.

[kylania]

OK, so its not just doing the 3D model and copy the interior of the VII - understood :) Never done modding, so dont know the extend of work needed.

I don't think the interior and exterior are completely separate as they were in SH3. I had a camera problem where my camera came "unattached" while I was in the command room. I floated through the sleeping quarters, galley, motor room, elec room and out the back of the boat! Watched it sail away as I hung there in the water. In SH3 when you went "out of bounds" it was just black space. In SH5 it seems it's "real"?

[The General]

I didnt realise how much people loved the IX..I stand corrected.It's not called TypeVII.com, it's Subsim.com :03:

The type VII interior stuff could be used as a placeholder till a proper interior is built.Wouldn't Tomi_99 be a good candidate for doing the interior?

I don't think the interior and exterior are completely separate as they were in SH3. I had a camera problem where my camera came "unattached" while I was in the command room. I floated through the sleeping quarters, galley, motor room, elec room and out the back of the boat! Watched it sail away as I hung there in the water. In SH3 when you went "out of bounds" it was just black space. In SH5 it seems it's "real"?I wish I understood how all this worked because I sometimes get a 'Camera out of Sectors' black screen when in the presence of an iceberg. What 'sectors' is the camera out of exactly? Maybe we are being given a glimpse at another dimension :o

[Madox58]

The Hull part of the Subs are one GR2 file,
The rooms are in seperate GR2 files located in the Common\Rooms folder.

Those are all linked through the eqp file and the UPCGE file and such.
(I'm not a UPCGE guy so correct me if I'm wrong here.)

So it's possible to link the type VII stuff to a new type IX hull.

SH3 did not have seperate rooms so the Cam stuff works differently.
That's also an older Engine.
Not a good comparison in this situation.

[urfisch]

maybe the "clone stuff" works for this idea? clone the code structure and change afterwarsd the 3d data...

[Vann]

Hi all modders

Its been one of the paint points of the game....so I say to you that we can get these subs in the game.

How?

We need somebody to do the exterior 3D models...thats the hardest part as we can get the 3D models converted to work with game.
The interior is probably a big piece of work, but maybe the VII interior will OK for now?

Comments?

Im looking for that too.. also every other Sub in Sh3.

To model the exteriors is easy.. the interiors are the hardest part.. but they arent important gameplay wise ,i dont mind using the same VII interiors for every other sub . .Adding more 3d Subs models with higher quality textures and their extra capabilities will really take the game to a new level. :cool:

[JU_88]

Im surprised no one has mentioend the IX D2 -that can be lifted straight out of SH4/uboat add on,
(exterior model at least)
:DL

[SteelViking]

If you dig around in the files in SH5, you can find a lot IX D2 files. I don't know if they would be helpful at all though.:hmmm:

[haegemon]

Models from previous versions wil need a retexturization though since the new engine can support more "wood" into it.

[Hartmann]

Im looking for that too.. also every other Sub in Sh3.

To model the exteriors is easy.. the interiors are the hardest part.. but they arent important gameplay wise ,i dont mind using the same VII interiors for every other sub . .Adding more 3d Subs models with higher quality textures and their extra capabilities will really take the game to a new level. :cool:

Yes it´s true .

we can use without problems the VII interior , also except in some details interiors were very similar between the different types of submarines

Im surprised no one has mentioend the IX D2 -that can be lifted straight out of SH4/uboat add on,
(exterior model at least)
:DL

and the walter type , this could be more interesting when a new post 1943 campaign

[ERPP8]

The Type II model is in the program.
You still need to make it playable, add interior and script it so it doesn't have you patrol 5,000 miles away

[Capt Jack Harkness]

and the walter type , this could be more interesting when a new post 1943 campaign

Personally I think the XXI based off of the XVIII would be awesome. As with the IX-D2, the XVIII/XXI is also in the SH4 u-boat expansion and could be copied over with the aforementioned retexturing.

On a related note, does anyone know if schnorkels can be implemented?

[TheDarkWraith]

On a related note, does anyone know if schnorkels can be implemented?

been trying to get that to work since week 1 of the game being out :damn:

[Capt Jack Harkness]

Well that really is a shame. It worked just fine in SH4:U...