Massive Price Drop!

[The General]

I remember lots and lots of military simulations well before Windows 98. Or Windows 95... or Windows. Yes, I think Chess is technically a Military simulation game. I think Neal is old enough to remember it's invention too! :O:

[The General]

"Mod" is a contraction of "Modification", it's not an acronym, and should not be fully capitalised. Stop butchering the English language.
Lol, this guy cracks me up :DL

[NEON DEON]

Yes, I think Chess is technically a Military simulation game. I think Neal is old enough to remember it's invention too! :O:

That should earn some points with the big guy.:D

[The General]

big guy.Uh oh, how BIG is this guy? :o Is he a big son-of-a....ship-builder, who pounds in rivets with his fists?

[Onkel Neal]

Not so big he can't laugh at a good joke ;)

[The General]

"You've come to the wrong shop for anarchy, brother." This quote is from Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World. Peter Weir is supposed to be developing a sequel to this terrifc film :DL

[mookiemookie]

"I also notice that the some of the Romanian developers frequent the site and i wish we could get a clear statement from someone that they will at least fix the AI so the modders have something decent to work with"

Some really good points made on this thread , all of which I agree with. The above however is the real "Deal Breaker" for me.

I find the complete lack of communication from either the devs or Ubisoft as a whole, frankly quite disturbing. Are we to believe that the game will be left in this state? If there is another patch on the horizon then why is no-one saying anything?

They're limited as to what they can say by their contracts with Ubisoft. Don't complain to them.

[robbo180265]

They're limited as to what they can say by their contracts with Ubisoft. Don't complain to them.

I said "either the devs or Ubisoft" But yeah obviously it's Ubisoft that pulls the strings. Apologies for bringing the devs into it :oops:

I'm getting more and more frustrated by the lack of any announcement from anyone, I mean we don't even know that there is a patch. Ubisoft felt the game was finished enough to put out there on sale, especially knowing the trouble that their DRM was going to cause (I'm talking boycots - not server probs) So (as far as we know) they may consider it a finished game and not patch it any more.

And how many of us game owners would continue playing it were that the case I wonder?

[mookiemookie]

I said "either the devs or Ubisoft" But yeah obviously it's Ubisoft that pulls the strings. Apologies for bringing the devs into it :oops:

I'm getting more and more frustrated by the lack of any announcement from anyone, I mean we don't even know that there is a patch. Ubisoft felt the game was finished enough to put out there on sale, especially knowing the trouble that their DRM was going to cause (I'm talking boycots - not server probs) So (as far as we know) they may consider it a finished game and not patch it any more.

And how many of us game owners would continue playing it were that the case I wonder?

I know the feeling. I wish that whoever was in charge of their marketing would get a clue. I can't see any reason to withhold that sort of info from people.

[Buddahaid]

I know the feeling. I wish that whoever was in charge of their marketing would get a clue. I can't see any reason to withhold that sort of info from people.

They're still in the dungeon being stretched. :woot:

[Nordmann]

I know the feeling. I wish that whoever was in charge of their marketing would get a clue. I can't see any reason to withhold that sort of info from people.

Unfortunately, this is the way with many developers/publishers these days. Why they have to be so secretive is a good question, especially when it involves something as trivial as a few fixes, but it is not something which we are ever likely to have answered.

Perhaps they do not announce the patch, because they have yet to finalise the specifics of said patch? I highly doubt they will simply stop supporting the game, as even SH4 received more than one patch, and you could hardly call that game a best seller.

[Nafod81]

The lack of information release day/early purchasers have to deal with is pretty despicable. And no Ubisoft isn't the only one.


Creative Assembly's releases of MTW2 and ETW taught me to steer clear of their titles. The patch history for Ubisoft isn't looking too good if silence and limited patches show up for SHV as they did for SHIV.

I can only give a company so much business, and be ignored for so long.

It's almost as if they want us to vote with our wallets and prove that the PC game market is failing.

[Nordmann]

It's almost as if they want us to vote with our wallets and prove that the PC game market is failing.

The PC market isn't failing, there are some fantastic games, especially from indie companies. Don't make a judgement based on one or two corporate giants, who have their fingers in too many pies, so to speak.

Consoles are inferior in many respects, they always have been, they always will be. Companies can try and force people away from PCs, but it's not going to happen, not while PCs are capable of so much more (just look at how advanced PC hardware is compared to consoles, it's a staggering difference).

If Ubi, EA, Activision or whoever else moves away from PCs, so what? It's their loss, not ours. Seriously, they can take a long walk off a short pier, I could care less. There are plenty of developers out there, and plenty of games still being made.

[jerm138]

PCs are capable of so much more (just look at how advanced PC hardware is compared to consoles, it's a staggering difference).

Not trying to argue here, because I personally don't like console games. But I have to admit that when I go over to a friend's house and fire up the PS3, it's pretty impressive. The games look stunning, and I've never seen one crash. I usually just don't like the style of games, and I can't use the controllers worth a damn.

I often hear how they're inferior though... in what way are they inferior? Just curious.

[Nordmann]

Not trying to argue here, because I personally don't like console games. But I have to admit that when I go over to a friend's house and fire up the PS3, it's pretty impressive. The games look stunning, and I've never seen one crash. I usually just don't like the style of games, and I can't use the controllers worth a damn.

I often hear how they're inferior though... in what way are they inferior? Just curious.

Impressive? Impressive you say! Seriously, impressive if your PC is six years old. Even an average gaming rig would walk the floor with it, and that's no exaggeration. As for stunning, compare the graphics of a PS3 game, with the same game on PC running max settings, and the PC version wins hands down. No crashes? You mean the various lock-ups common to consoles since the first PlayStation? They might not crash, but I can assure you, they do freeze.

I know what I'm talking about here, I made the switch from consoles some time ago, simply because they are so limited. Perhaps they are good for mucking about on with friends, but aside from this, I can see no real advantage over a top range computer.

[Wulfmann]

Unfortunately, this is the way with many developers/publishers these days. .

If that is so why is it I have never patched any of the 4 COD I have or other games that I have never even looked to find a web page because I had no problems with anything in playing them.

I admit I have not bought a ton of games but CFS3 (M$) IL-2 (UBI) and SH3/4 were all broken games out of the box and without many fixes and in the case of CFS3 and SH3/4 the modding community none of these would be worth having.
Even UBI's BIA only required one patch and the released was not bugged like these.

There is a culture of: "you will do as you are told or we won't make anything" and that tells me they simply never ask themselves : Now, how would I feel if I bought this game????

You can be sure if the payments were as deficient as their product they would scream bloody murder

Wulfmann

[Sub Marauder]

I haven't even bought the game yet after poor reviews and a price drop was what I've been waiting for. I'll get the game eventually but not for $50 CDN.

[Nafod81]

Impressive? Impressive you say! Seriously, impressive if your PC is six years old. Even an average gaming rig would walk the floor with it, and that's no exaggeration. As for stunning, compare the graphics of a PS3 game, with the same game on PC running max settings, and the PC version wins hands down. No crashes? You mean the various lock-ups common to consoles since the first PlayStation? They might not crash, but I can assure you, they do freeze.

I know what I'm talking about here, I made the switch from consoles some time ago, simply because they are so limited. Perhaps they are good for mucking about on with friends, but aside from this, I can see no real advantage over a top range computer.


Although consoles are limited they allow game developers have the advantage of being able to program for a known hardware configuration. This leads to the stability we see, additionally Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft have fairly rigorous QA standards for releases.

There's a reason even the the top line console is usually 60% of the price of a top line graphics card.

I will admit though My PS3 is the first system where I've had lock-ups.

[IanC]

I know what I'm talking about here, I made the switch from consoles some time ago, simply because they are so limited. Perhaps they are good for mucking about on with friends, but aside from this, I can see no real advantage over a top range computer.

Well one real advantage is that consoles are cheaper than getting yourself a top range computer. My situation is reversed from yours, I just discovered the Xbox a couple weeks ago and, shamefully, I'm having a blast. After all these years of making fun of the console kiddies... I'm now one of them. :lol:

[Arclight]

With the games being at least a 1/3 more expensive and the "need" for a 960/1080p TV, I don't think it's actually cheaper. At least not in my case, it's (just) one of the reasons I switched to PC after PS2. :hmmm:

[IanC]

The need for a 960/1080p TV to play your console? :lol:

[Arclight]

"need"

With the games being 960p and all. :roll:

I'm not going to spend €300,- on a PS3 and play it at anything less, to be honest. And that's the price now, after several pricedrops.

My PC was actually cheaper or about the same as PS3+TV at the time, and it still put's out far better graphics and allows me to do so much more.

[IanC]

Well I bought my Xbox used, I buy my games used, I already have a TV... by my calculations it's way cheaper than buying a high end comp.
If you 'need' to buy a high end TV, well no kidding it gets expensive, one might also 'need' a nice leather sofa to park his butt in. :lol:

edit: btw, used Xbox 360 games; 10$ (Canadian)

[Arclight]

:rotfl2:

Alright, fair enough. :)

Didn't consider buying it used, games or consoles would be one of the things I have to have new.

[IanC]

Didn't consider buying it used, games or consoles would be one of the things I have to have new.

Bahh same thing! It just doesn't have that new plastic smell is all. :03:

[Arclight]

Well, with a console you can't see how many times it dropped to the floor, or how often the previous owner bashed it with his fist because he couldn't win.

With the claimed failure rates of PS3 and 360, I'd feel much more comfortable with a new unit... Only to have it fail in the first week, probably. :lol:


My NES and SNES took a bit a of abuse (people tripping over controller wires), never failed, still plenty of those around that are still functional. Seems like they are getting more fragile every generation. :-?

[IanC]

Well even used you still have a 30 day warranty (where I bought it anyways). But you bring up a good point about the failure rates. :hmmm:
I know my luck, watch my Xbox blow up on day 31...

[Sgtmonkeynads]

I think craftmanship falls in somewhere. My 25 year old Atari still works, but I have gone through two 360"s in four years.

[Arclight]

Well even used you still have a 30 day warranty (where I bought it anyways). But you bring up a good point about the failure rates. :hmmm:
I know my luck, watch my Xbox blow up on day 31...
Think most failures occur not too long after people start using them. If it survived long enough to be resold, it's already demonstrated some level of durability. ;)

:hmmm:

Never thought of it like that before. :lol:
I think craftmanship falls in somewhere. My 25 year old Atari still works, but I have gone through two 360"s in four years.
They don't build 'em like they used to. :DL

Modern consoles use a lot more power, and generate more heat. Think most failures are related to heat.

[jerm138]

My NES and SNES took a bit a of abuse..., never failed

I'd like to know where your NES came from.

I used to have to blow dust out of it and the cartridges until I was blue in the face.

Now I just use an NES emulator and ROMs... haven't had a problem since. :yeah: (and I can fit every NES game ever produced on a micro SD card smaller than my fingernail... ain't technology great?) I just can't beat that damn Soda Popinski :damn:


BTW... as far as I know, emulators and ROMs are legal as long as you own the original game... but if not, someone tell me so I can edit my post.

[Commie]

Latest steam sales charts for last week:



Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Left 4 Dead 2
Just Cause 2
Torchlight
Command & Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
The Settlers 7: Paths to a Kingdom - Gold Edition
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II Chaos Rising
Dragon Age: Origins Awakening
Mount & Blade: Warband

So after just two weeks on the charts at the low end, Assassins Creed 2 is gone, a far bigger surprise than Silent Hunter disappearing obviously. We see Settlers 7 here, but I'd say next week or the week after it will be gone too.

Funny that all the games that have been supposedly pirated a lot, keep on selling! COD MW which apparently has been pirated by everyone on earth is still selling almost 5 months after release! Dragon Age Origins with almost no DRM keeps selling, and Battlefield 2 stays top yet again even though pirates are supposedly killing sales.

Seems we are going to get many price drops this year on UBI games. They'll be in the bargain bin in a couple months. Hold out guys! Can't wait to pick up Splinter Cell Conviction DRM free for 9.99 in a few months when SH5 will be 3.99!:)

[janh]

Latest steam sales charts for last week:


Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Left 4 Dead 2
Just Cause 2
...

Funny that all the games that have been supposedly pirated a lot, keep on selling! COD MW which apparently has been pirated by everyone on earth is still selling almost 5 months after release! Dragon Age Origins with almost no DRM keeps selling, and Battlefield 2 stays top yet again even though pirates are supposedly killing sales.

It is just one (local) sales channel, and you'd have to prove that it is representative for the global customer behavior. Maybe their sales volume is high enough, I don't know (some >1000 is good enough for getting the statistical errors suppressed to the lower percentage range).

Anyway, I really hope some day some good a business or law PhD scientist will go through the pains of gathering all such data to figure out how piracy really works, why it persists and how much damage it does. Or whether companies have a significant responsibility in this due to they lack of quality & novelty products (old game ideas, few new features, buggy initial releases), service, marketing strategies (including pricing, franchise release/development time, DRM issues, etc). I would bet those are a bunch of reasons that could correspond to "companies driving customers away", and if they push hard enough, into piracy. Maybe it is not only one side to blame...

[Vipper]

DRM does not stop pirates but it does stop honest customers! And results are there now...

[commandosolo2009]

Browsing Amazon, and I just noticed that SH5 went from £22.93, to £12.98, within a space of a few hours! That's quite a considerable drop, even for Amazon. I wonder if those low ratings have anything to do with it?

Check it out, here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Silent-Hunter-5-PC-DVD/dp/B002U0KBT8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1269533058&sr=8-1).



For such a piece of garbage iteration, I would buy it as a GIVEAWAY..

[Nordmann]

For such a piece of garbage iteration, I would buy it as a GIVEAWAY..



It's not actually as bad as some are claiming. Indeed, it does have a catalogue of problems, but most are not game breaking, and will probably (according to the info available on here) be fixed with the next patch. Certainly, it should not have been this way, but even SH3 and 4 were plagued with numerous issues on launch (some which were never fixed).

I would not buy this game at full price, because in it's current condition (plus Uplay) it is simply not worth it. However, I would say that £12.98 is very reasonable for a newly released game, and as there is still fun to be had despite the flaws, it is worth getting at this price.

[Jan Kyster]

I think craftmanship falls in somewhere. My 25 year old Atari still works, but I have gone through two 360"s in four years.That's an experience you're sharing with 66% of the +25000 users in this poll Kotaku recently had: http://kotaku.com/5500495/kotaku-census-2010-the-results-in-full


Another question in the poll: "Have You Ever Illegally Downloaded or Copied a PC Game?"

Answer: 79% said Yes... :88)

[Jimbuna]

Latest steam sales charts for last week:



Battlefield: Bad Company 2
Left 4 Dead 2
Just Cause 2
Torchlight
Command & Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
The Settlers 7: Paths to a Kingdom - Gold Edition
Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II Chaos Rising
Dragon Age: Origins Awakening
Mount & Blade: Warband
So after just two weeks on the charts at the low end, Assassins Creed 2 is gone, a far bigger surprise than Silent Hunter disappearing obviously. We see Settlers 7 here, but I'd say next week or the week after it will be gone too.

Funny that all the games that have been supposedly pirated a lot, keep on selling! COD MW which apparently has been pirated by everyone on earth is still selling almost 5 months after release! Dragon Age Origins with almost no DRM keeps selling, and Battlefield 2 stays top yet again even though pirates are supposedly killing sales.



The bits above I find interesting :hmmm:

[Arclight]

The "we need to stop pirates" argument grows weaker, doesn't it? :DL

imho the current DRM regime is just an exercise to see if it returns on it's investment, ie. markedly more sales.

Seems like making a good game does more for sales than stricter DRM.

[IanC]

Seems like making a good game does more for sales than stricter DRM.

Big +1 on that!

[janh]

That's an experience you're sharing with 66% of the +25000 users in this poll Kotaku recently had: http://kotaku.com/5500495/kotaku-census-2010-the-results-in-full


Another question in the poll: "Have You Ever Illegally Downloaded or Copied a PC Game?"

Answer: 79% said Yes... :88)


This one would probably looked markedly different after the new DRM schemes of EA and Ubi...

[Jimbuna]

The "we need to stop pirates" argument grows weaker, doesn't it? :DL

imho the current DRM regime is just an exercise to see if it returns on it's investment, ie. markedly more sales.

Seems like making a good game does more for sales than stricter DRM.

I think the jury is still considering that one :hmmm:

[609_Avatar]

I just thought I'd take a look and see what the latest prices at Amazon in the US were to see if they've gotten as low as in the UK. I did see one listed for $25+ shipping but then I saw this and couldn't believe my friggin' eyes! :o I can't believe they think they will sell their last one for this price:

Insane Sales Price (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002PAIPQO/ref=pd_luc_mri?ie=UTF8&m=A3QEXBIOZFOL8X)

No, I'm still holding out buying it but was curious to see what it is currently going for.

[janh]

I just thought I'd take a look and see what the latest prices at Amazon in the US were to see if they've gotten as low as in the UK. I did see one listed for $25+ shipping but then I saw this and couldn't believe my friggin' eyes! :o I can't believe they think they will sell their last one for this price:

Insane Sales Price (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002PAIPQO/ref=pd_luc_mri?ie=UTF8&m=A3QEXBIOZFOL8X)

No, I'm still holding out buying it but was curious to see what it is currently going for.

Can that be real? April Fools is over I guess... ROFL...

[UGCnim]

It's still $49.99 on Steam and D2D.

[tonschk]

Here in the UK , the Silent Hunter 5 drop from 29.99 to 19.99 UK pounds

[Jan Kyster]

Prices in Denmark range from kroner 110,11 to 468,00 :o

That's £13/$20 to £55/$85... Collectors Edition £62/$96...


Danes... http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[msxyz]

Sins of a Solar empire sold 200k copies in its first month alone and, to date, it reached 700k:

-Indie developer. No big publisher
-Little anticipation or media coverage until people realized it was really good
-No convolute copy protection system
-Not a mainstream game genre

Each time I read a thread about PC gaming dieing, I think it's only the mainstream part of the market that is dieing. The rest of the scene is wealthy.

Maybe PC users don't need incredible looking, short lived, zero replay value games which need a uber computer to be run.

Make a good strategic/simulation/indie RPG or innovative games that don't need a PC costing an arm and a leg and you have a recipe for success. Even in the piracy ridden landscape of PC gaming.

Big publishers like EA/Activision/Ubi don't understand this siutation or simply they prefer to migrate to the relatively low risk, high volume console market. The sooner they leave us PC gamers alone, the better for everyone.
:salute:

[Nordmann]

Sins of a Solar empire sold 200k copies in its first month alone and, to date, it reached 700k:

-Indie developer. No big publisher
-Little anticipation or media coverage until people realized it was really good
-No convolute copy protection system
-Not a mainstream game genre

Each time I read a thread about PC gaming dieing, I think it's only the mainstream part of the market that is dieing. The rest of the scene is wealthy.

Maybe PC users don't need incredible looking, short lived, zero replay value games which need a uber computer to be run.

Make a good strategic/simulation/indie RPG or innovative games that don't need a PC costing an arm and a leg and you have a recipe for success. Even in the piracy ridden landscape of PC gaming.

Big publishers like EA/Activision/Ubi don't understand this siutation or simply they prefer to migrate to the relatively low risk, high volume console market. The sooner they leave us PC gamers alone, the better for everyone.
:salute:

Hear, hear!

I've been saying the same thing for years now, but the stalwart naysayers appear determined to make the same claims, over and over again, regardless of how ridiculous and impossible they are. These people are nothing short of delusional in their crusade to prove the superiority of consoles, even though anyone with any knowledge on the matter can tell you that this claim is complete bull.

Even if the mainstream dies, or switches to consoles, who really gives a monkey's backside? We've still got indie developers, turning out probably some of the best games on the market, at least in my opinion. Let us not also forget the simple and undeniable fact, that computers are quite simply more powerful than consoles, and as such any game worth its salt is going to want to make use of that power, simulations being one of the obvious examples.

In short, while SH5 may not have sold as well as expected, it is most certainly no indicator of a decline in PC gaming, as claimed by more than a few posters on here in the past few weeks.

[Arclight]

The PC, then, is a unique platform with unique potential and should be treated as such. While there may be less traditional games and less shelf space, this is not only a viable platform but an innovative one, at the forefront of indie development and digital distribution. It's also a platform that is helping broaden gaming to new audiences; less overtly than the Wii, certainly, but its contribution is important nonetheless.

The outlook for PC gaming isn't clear cut. It's certainly not on its death bed, but for the venerable platform to thrive, it seems that the key to success is understanding its innate strengths and embracing its changing nature. That and making games that people want to play.
The Death of PC Gaming – Again (http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/100/1005720p1.html) :DL

I think the jury is still considering that one :hmmm:
Probably, yes. Just hope Ubisoft takes notice that no one is happy with their latest endeavor, not even the paying customer that is enjoying their product. At least from me, they've gotten the benefit of the doubt, that bit of trust they asked for. Betray it though, and more trustworthy publishers/developers are just around the corner.

[paul_kingtiger]

The sad fact is, it is far easier to make a really pretty game than it is to make a really original game.

Same is true for movies, which is why we're getting a lot of remakes with amazing special effects but recycled plot.

[Threesixtyci]

I just thought I'd take a look and see what the latest prices at Amazon in the US were to see if they've gotten as low as in the UK. I did see one listed for $25+ shipping but then I saw this and couldn't believe my friggin' eyes! :o I can't believe they think they will sell their last one for this price:

Insane Sales Price (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002PAIPQO/ref=pd_luc_mri?ie=UTF8&m=A3QEXBIOZFOL8X)

No, I'm still holding out buying it but was curious to see what it is currently going for.

The 25 dollar one is Gogamer... I don't really see how that can be true given that their actual site has it out of stock and for 46 bucks.... It's kinda odd:
http://www.gogamer.com/Silent-Hunter-5--Battle-of-the-Atlantic-for-PC-Front-Page_stcVVproductId95773846VVcatId444710VVviewprod .htm

Hmm if you look closely at the Amazon description for Gogamer, it says import DVD case.... (http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B002PAIPQO/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&qid=1271453466&sr=1-1&condition=new) Gogamer does have the import version in stock, but wouldn't that cause problems with the DRM? There is a price difference, too. Their site shows it for 40 bucks, but the shipping is free for a cart more than 25 bucks. Still kinda weird that they would honor Amazon's listed price, with it being 10 bucks cheaper even after the 6 dollars worth of shipping.

Regardless it being an import copy is worrisome.
http://www.gogamer.com/Silent-Hunter-5--Battle-of-The-Atlantic--I--for-PC-Front-Page_stcVVproductId97830476VVcatId444710VVviewprod .htm

Anyway you look at it though, us guys in the states, aren't getting any discounted price for this game.... Even the ones that look cheap, come with a question mark.

[Armistead]

Alway said I would wait til it's in a bargain bin..My wait may not be that long.

[609_Avatar]

Regardless it being an import copy is worrisome.
http://www.gogamer.com/Silent-Hunter-5--Battle-of-The-Atlantic--I--for-PC-Front-Page_stcVVproductId97830476VVcatId444710VVviewprod .htm

Anyway you look at it though, us guys in the states, aren't getting any discounted price for this game.... Even the ones that look cheap, come with a question mark.

I didn't notice that it was from Gogamer. I've bought import discs before from them and there's nothing to worry about. Most of them, if not all, were from Australia and they were always cheaper but no different from what we get from the US direct. I guess they have some sort of relationship that lets them get these cheaper. Odd about the price discrepancy though.

I still plan on holding out until the DRM is removed if at all. Gotta stick to my principles ya know. :)

[Salvadoreno]

In Southern California anybody getting it for a low price from retailers not online? I checked steam its still 49.99 and 59.99 for collectors edition. I kinda wanna get collectors edition so i can have some of those ships. I want famous sub hunter johnny walker chasing my sub and see if i survive. I hope they modeled him as a badass along with the other boats they include in gold edition/

[Yak]

I didn't notice that it was from Gogamer. I've bought import discs before from them and there's nothing to worry about. Most of them, if not all, were from Australia and they were always cheaper but no different from what we get from the US direct. I guess they have some sort of relationship that lets them get these cheaper. Odd about the price discrepancy though.

How can it be cheaper if it is from Australia?
We pay double what the US price is!

Standard game price in Australia is $99AUD which is $93USD.

As for the website being 'out of stock' but the store price being much cheaper, that means they've pushed all their stock to stores to sell the copies at whatever price they can to recoup their losses. ;)

This has to be a good sign DRM wise.

[Arclight]

Bad sign continuation-of-series wise. :-?

[scrag]

No one should be surprised that the game tanked in the reviews and that sales are low and expected lower.
1) DRM - besides the fact this was a dumb move it is also requires an IP to function (similar to STEAM) so if you travel and want to play from a hotel room - good luck with that.
2) Given the idea of saving games remotely it was painfully obvious that UBI was not prepared to support the needs of worldwide gaming as evidenced by numerous server outages and slow connections
3) Unfinished product ANY company that release crap and expect crap in profits. The game is how old and is still needs a lot of work and patches

If experience is a teacher the first sign of a company that maybe struggling is a product that is lack luster and buggy requiring a number of patches as evidenced here. I wonder if UBIsoft is on the rocks like SHV?

I wonder if buying a used game is possible?

[Yak]

Bad sign continuation-of-series wise. :-?

It is pretty obvious Ubi see the SH market as a simple cash cow: Warm over the previous engine, add a few new bells and whistles and six months later voila! Here is one we prepared earlier...

The simple fact is that the SH market is, while still niche, one that for that one product the market can sustain, very lucrative.
That means that even if Ubi left, a market open for 500,000 unit sales and no competition is easy meat, and the community has already demonstrated they'll take whatever bone is thrown their way, regardless of quality and happily pay for the privilege.

I can't imagine the last two iterations of the series, SH5 in particular cost much to develop either (relatively speaking) given their short development times, use of Romanian studio and basing on existing product.

I would love to know what the break even point for SH5 is sales wise.

[captainprid]

Sorry, don't know if this has previously mentioned and I can't be bothered going through 20 odd pages but Subsim are flogging it for 12 quid now on their Amazon page. Get it while you can!!! I spent 35 knicker on it thats about 60 odd dollars less than a month ago!!!! I feel cheated

[empacae]

Picked up SH5 for 15 bucks from EB Games. Best 15 bucks I've ever spent.... though I couldn't imagine paying 60 bucks for this.

[Sailor Steve]

And resurrected a year-old thread. Congrats on both.

And WELCOME ABOARD! :sunny:

[aergistal]

Hey Steve, hey everyone, it's good to be back! I noticed the price has dropped and also heard something about the continuous internet connection requirement being eliminated (in favor of a one-time connect). I wanted to double check that but I can't find the page again. Anyway I'm getting this tomorrow and I can't wait to try out some mods.

[sirbum69]

yes they did drop it, i play the game with out the disk in anymore lol

[wingtip]

If it gets to $5 I might consider it....MIGHT...

UBI best get their head out of their ass for sh6..

[jwilliams]

If it gets to $5 I might consider it....MIGHT...

UBI best get their head out of their ass for sh6..

There will never be a SH6. SH5 failed to sell enough to warrent making a 6. Best get SH5 before all bargain bin copies are sold. SH5 fully modded is a masterpiece. And will only get better as more is added.

:yep:

[CaptainHunter]

Just picked it up over at Amazon for $4.90

[MattM1121]

Just picked it up over at Amazon for $4.90

What the hay! Mine cost $5.12. I got ripped off! :)

[Apache312]

Just picked it up over at Amazon for $4.90

same here