I have this DRM in Rise of Flight

[Richard G]

Couldn't help but notice the DRM talk here, I'll tell you what I know about it.

Rise of Flight has online connection requirement, and also saves your games and missions on their servers.

I have a broadband connection, and while I havent had connection issues, there were times when their servers were down and no one could play (I didn't notice, I don't play it much anymore, the gameplay is really lacking in this one).

The biggest pain in the ass with this style drm...load times. They are ridiculous. I have an overclocked quadcore with latest and greatest graphics card etc... just for gaming but it doesnt matter. I'll fire this ROF up sometimes and litteraly stare at the load screen for close to 5 minutes while some quick mission, with my career stats, medals, and other nonesense has to be downloaded from somewhere in Moscow, half the world away.

Nine time out of ten I end up hitting the escape button and loading up something else to play.

Seeing how the ROF mission are kept online, I dont really know how big those files are. But someone can go back and look at SH3 or SH4 and see how big those save game files are, and get a good idea of how much you'll be downloading everytime you fire up the game.

Thats all I have to say about it.

[bigboywooly]

+1

At last someone who uses DRM and tells it as is
Not how it should be

[swampa]

I was wondering about this, top end computer etc. whether the connection holds the game back:down:

[GreyOctober]

Dont compare the ROF DRM with the UBI DRM...not the same producer, not the same technology, not the same servers. Although the basic principle of protecting a game with Internet connection is the same, the similarities stop there.


DON'T

JUMP

TO

CONCLUSIONS.

[bigboywooly]

Dont compare the ROF DRM with the UBI DRM...not the same producer, not the same technology, not the same servers. Although the basic principle of protecting a game with Internet connection is the same, the similarities stop there.


DON'T

JUMP

TO

CONCLUSIONS.

Not jumping to conclusions
There are those that have posted using DRMs - ok different to Ubis - make no difference

The OP says they do

Besides no conclusions to jump to
DONT want to be shackled to ubi 24/7 or however long I play

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h22/bigboywooly/simples.jpg

[JU_88]

Open the Silent Hunter V forum, hit Cntrl + F and seach for 'DRM'
more than half the topic titles contain the word 'DRM' on page 1 alone.
Maybe there should be an SHV 'DRM' forum :haha:

[JScones]

Besides no conclusions to jump to
DONT want to be shackled to ubi 24/7 or however long I play

:up: Agreed. Or, more to the point, whenever they let you play.

Great to see you back, btw. :up:

[bigboywooly]

:up: Agreed. Or, more to the point, whenever they let you play.

Great to see you back, btw. :up:

Thanx Jaesen
Few problems in RL but those are shall we say sorted now
Picked a good time to pitch back up to by the looks of it
:rotfl2:

[JackAubrey]

+1
At last someone who uses DRM and tells it as is
+1 from me also, as I am experiencing the same drawbacks with the RoF DRM.
I drank the Kool-Aid and bought RoF because I love WW1 Flightsims and I wanted to support a small developer. I thought, "Hey, you´re on Cable with a Broadband connection. What could possibly happen?"
What happened is, what the OP told us. The Load times are utterly ridiculous and the Servers have a hiccup every now and then. It may not be often but it keeps me from playing when I want.
What I heard is, that the RoF Devs want to get rid of this special DRM Scheme in a future patch.

Not how it should be
Put the CD in the Drive, hit "Install" and after that hit "Play Game."
Just like in the old times. *sigh*

Do you remember when games came with a printed manual and once in a while you were asked in-Game to put in the 3rd word on the 4th line on Page 12? Golden Times.....:DL

To be honest, I absolutely understand the need for Anti-Piracy Measures to a certain degree. The "certain degree" for me is the amount of hassle that the honest, paying customer has.
If a Pirate gets to play a game with every DRM removed and therefore without the problems I experience, then I don't see why I should embrace that special DRM at all and pay money for it. I pay money, support the Developer and Publisher and I am not allowed to play when I want but the Pirates happily play whenever and wherever they want? That seems a little bit unfair to me.

I could live with some sort of online Activation if a "Revoke Tool" is also present to "deactivate" my Game in order to reinstall it or something like that.
Open the Silent Hunter V forum, hit Cntrl + F and seach for 'DRM'
more than half the topic titles contain the word 'DRM' on page 1 alone.
Maybe there should be an SHV 'DRM' forum :haha:
Yeah. We could have one "SHV DRM Venting" Subforum and keep on whining there. Sounds good. :haha:

[SteamWake]

Im not so sure the load times are due to 'online' drm.

I have had load time issues with other copy protection schemes.

I tried the demo of ROF and found the loading times bearable, certainly no worse than SH4.

The demo did require a registration however but no saved games were involved so maybe the full retail is worse.

Honestly I am waiting on neoqb to drop the persistant connection requirement as they said they would.

Then I will consider a purchase :salute:

[bigboywooly]

They were sometimes a PITA those measures but they worked
9 times out of 10 also meant you had a manual of sorts included so was a bonus
TBH wouldt mind that sort of protection now

There are so many better ways than this OSP out there anyway

[LuboS]

I have RoF too.
High end PC, broadband connection and still loading times of every mission are really ridiculous ...
And btw, right now authorization server for RoF is down, so no one can play ... :damn:

http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=7091

- LuboS

[Letum]

And btw, right now authorization server for RoF is down, so no one can play ... :damn:


Take note all!

[Hitman]

As I posted in another thread, anyone who has modded knows that the best part of the time goes in loading & reloading the game to test the changes, as well as the effects of research modifications you do.

Do you have an idea what it might mean for a modder to have to wait EACH TIME until the friggin server checks that he is not a pirate and allows the game to load? Those familiar with ROF, with similar online protection, know that load times that could be very quick are ethernal due to the damned protection system. So I bet this will discourage most modders to work with SH5, unless they have resolved to expend their entire lives on that ...:shifty:

And what game do you think is best? SH4 stock or SH3 modded with f.e. GWX? You bet the answer is clear, and so will it be for SH5 ... a modded SH4 or even SH3 predecessor will probably kick its butt by far. And because modding SH5 will be a nightmare due to the DRM, then it will never take off really, unlike what happened with SH3/4

[Méo]

Open the Silent Hunter V forum, hit Cntrl + F and seach for 'DRM'
more than half the topic titles contain the word 'DRM' on page 1 alone.
Maybe there should be an SHV 'DRM' forum :haha:

Sad...

But I wouldn't use this :haha: I would rather use something like this :nope: ...and this :yawn:

[Onkel Neal]

I have RoF too.
High end PC, broadband connection and still loading times of every mission are really ridiculous ...
And btw, right now authorization server for RoF is down, so no one can play ... :damn:

http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=7091

- LuboS

For a full fifteen minutes :O:

[HundertzehnGustav]

but how many times "fifteen minutes" does that happen a month?

even once is too much. or can one sue them if it happens?
i mean, it was paid! do we get a refund? do we get goodies? new subs every time they take a server offline? can we sue them for not delivering the products/services, claiming we do not care about their server maintenance?

[Onkel Neal]

By all means, sue them, that's the American way :D

[LuboS]

For a full fifteen minutes :O:

Neal,
just imagine what these 15 minutes do, when you landed after really successful mission (f.e. during campaign) and you are expecting new shinny medal ... or after really good online fight with many air victories ...
just 2 of many possible examples (both already happened to me) ...

- LuboS

PS: sorry for my poor english ...

[Onkel Neal]

LuboS,

Yeah, not a good thing.

[Nisgeis]

Dont compare the ROF DRM with the UBI DRM...not the same producer, not the same technology, not the same servers. Although the basic principle of protecting a game with Internet connection is the same, the similarities stop there.


DON'T

JUMP

TO

CONCLUSIONS.

EXACTLY RIGHT! :yeah:. There's no guarantee that Ubi's system will be as reliable as ROF's. :DL.

[HundertzehnGustav]

By all means, sue them, that's the American way :D

I mean... sue them, just because you forbid Violence.
If i could have spoken my mind I would go and buy me an "American way":cool: Baseball bat, and pay a friendly visit to the worldwide top dogs:arrgh!: that had this "online only=no piracy" idea.

One might think that such an expression WOULD HAVE BEEN a little extreme, but, the way i see it, this "Control Mania" is part of the Way Humanity is heading. Bar-Code tatoos when you are born, and with a Wifi-device in your head, so that the Governments and companies can track your identity and habits, and manipulate you and whatnot.

But alas:timeout:, as both of us do not like Violence; i do not say such things, but only attempt to drag them to court...

:haha:

[Onkel Neal]

Lol, ok, I think I see: a game company makes a game and adds copy protection you don't like, so that means it's time to hit people with a baseball bat :haha: Yikes! I'm glad people in this forum don't apply that approach to me--"Hey, I have to log in to post? What the H377 is this **&*%$#%$ %#$*&^% ??!!?? I'm grabbing my Mickey Mantel and heading down to Houston to pay Onkel Neal a visit!!"

:03:I'm kidding, I know you are not a violent guy, we can joke, right? Right? :o

[HundertzehnGustav]

:stare:
*plays with Baseball bat*

Heh. you wanna taste my soup?
:stare:

[Onkel Neal]

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[HundertzehnGustav]

:har: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/cottn05/other%20stuff/Cheezburger/roflol.jpg)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IYGc_MWwkfw/SIMuUMWnUuI/AAAAAAAAATc/EEsFuQ7wzcM/s400/thats_funny_by_ehpien_from_flickr_cc-nc-nd.jpg

:rock:

[JScones]

EXACTLY RIGHT! :yeah:. There's no guarantee that Ubi's system will be as reliable as ROF's. :DL.:har:

[Ragtag]

Well, the ROF DRM wasn't good enough either. Again we see that the paying customer suffers while the pirates play with no DRM. As i see it not all "pirates" download games or cracks just because it's free. Some wants to get away from the DRM's and the problems it causes. There is no way that i'm buying any Ubisoft game with the OSP no matter how much i want to play it.

[Highbury]

ROF does use pretty much exactly the same DRM system as what is described for SHV. I have played it since launch and the DRM has not been an issue for me, but I am fortunate to have good broadband.

As for the long load times, that is just because ROF is a CPU pig. When you download a custom mission they are usually well under 1mb. It is just files that trigger objects already on your PC. One of the devs stated that in the average stock mission you are loading 1.5GB of info, even a fast CPU will take a bit of time with that. Optimizing the load times has always been a hot topic on the forums. I would guess that the server is only transferring these small files when you are playing custom missions but who knows.... one of the guys on the boards said his ROF server used 40x the bandwith of his IL-2 server :o

[janh]

Nice, someone coming up with facts! I hope the ones still supporting UBI strategy read this and start thinking a bit more critical.