SH3 GWX vs SH4 Etc.. Why?

[johan_d]

Now with the new Sh5 on the corner, I got my hands on SH4 and teh UBOAT addon, and downloaded Monsun and some other addons, like the speech fixes and so on..

Why is it I cannot get into SH4? it looks euh.. plastic.. why is SH3 looking so much better, the riding on the waves and with GWX3 its a 'perfect' combo.

I cant grow into Sh4.. and am afraid for SH5 to be the same.

Sh3 has something sinister, something strange.. if one turn his monitor to B&W its like an old movie!

Any thoughts why ?

Kaleun Johann

[psykopatsak]

because the boats in SH4 looks like giand plastic toys, and secondly the crew looks like toy soliders too. and the interface is to hard to decipher all the time.

[Laufen zum Ziel]

It is a matter of preference. I have SH4 but my preference is GWX and I have four seperate installs of the super mods.

SH3 :yeah:
SH4 :yeah:
SH 5 :yeah: I hope!
Knights :yeah: I hope!

[Sailor Steve]

I like them both, prefer SH4 as a better platform with better play for the most part, but needing the full supermod treatment with the graphics candy as well as gameplay already provided. That said, I won't abandon SH3 as long as SH4 doesn't have the GWX/WAC style and no SH4 Commander.

[sergei]

Happily running a career in each. They both bring something different to the table.
I don't play favorites, love each one for what it has to offer me.

[johan_d]

ok.. ok.. you either love plastic or dont?

[Task Force]

I perfer 3... with GWX... I dont know, just has a good feel to it... It may not have The best graphics, & stuff... but it feels more realistic... and for the uboats.. SH4 W uboats just feels like somthing rigged in. not actualy a Uboat game...

[FIREWALL]

I have both. Alot of hard work went into both of them by are GREAT Modders and I enjoy playing both. :woot:

[sergei]

ok.. ok.. you either love plastic or dont?

Why does it have to be either . . . or?

[Capt. Morgan]

...Why is it I cannot get into SH4? ...Kaleun Johann

I happen to like them both, but I've always thought that SH4 would be a lot better if there were an SH4 Commander.

[Kremmen]

Had 14 separate installs of SH3 & 4 with a various assortment of mods/supermods at one point and they all offer something different.Managed to cull them down a bit since.
So do I fancy tropical sun and icecream or oilskins and kippers ? either way Im covered.
Just fortunate to have so many options with all the mods available to tailor our games in a way that delivers what we want from them.
For that I am thankful :rock:

[johan_d]

I have both. Alot of hard work went into both of them by are GREAT Modders and I enjoy playing both. :woot:

Yes, I like the mods, both are very well done, thats not it.

How can I describe.. FS9 vs FSX is Sh3 vs Sh4, the latters look so cartoonish, is it a photo filter? I dont know but a lot of new games look so fake.. like a comic or CGI movie..

Its in the athmosphere.. maybe it is because older games leaves you more to imagine.. I dont know.. but the water in Sh4 looks not like water..

[KL-alfman]

Had 14 separate installs


you are hooked to subsims, aren't you?!?!?! :rotfl2: :rock::up:

[sergei]

Had 14 separate installs of SH3 & 4

Jeez I thought me having 5 ensured I had a problem.
Now I feel a lot better about that 5.
5 is virtually nothing.

[Jimbuna]

I honestly believe this is like trying to compare apples and pears.

I have both installed and Ill keep my preference to myself thank you :DL

[KL-alfman]

Its in the athmosphere..


yup!
I can only tell for GWX3 (as my order of SH4 haven't been delivered yet) that I got no greater sim-experience when leaving Lorient and listening to Jimbuna's collection #1 "All over the place" in bright sunshine, fully loaded and full of expectations and anticipation.
shortly said: I'm addicted

[FIREWALL]

One thing we can all agree on. :yep:

You don't have to connect to the internet to play SHIII or SHIV. :03:


edit: Offline :DL

[Kremmen]

Hehe,went to defrag and got a message saying not enough free hd space to run the defrag prog so thought I'd better do some housekeeping.
Down to 9 now :D

[sergei]

Down to 9 now :D

I see you are dealing with your addiction :03:

[Jimbuna]

yup!
I can only tell for GWX3 (as my order of SH4 haven't been delivered yet) that I got no greater sim-experience when leaving Lorient and listening to Jimbuna's collection #1 "All over the place" in bright sunshine, fully loaded and full of expectations and anticipation.
shortly said: I'm addicted

I've another gramaphone pack almost ready for release http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[KL-alfman]

glad to hear that! :up:

[karamazovnew]

I play both. I play SH3 with GWX and ACM, usually from 43 onwards for the challenge. However, convoy shadowing and single merchant attacks are way too easy. The ships are slow and their course and speed are steady.

In SH4 with OMEGU (OM without OMEGU is like GWX without OLC) it's a real challenge to hit a ship from more than 3000m away. They vary their course and speed a lot and the convoys are not neatly arranged. Sometimes it's complete mayhem and you have to adjust very quickly. Everything is much more unpredictable. The escorts are easier to fool BUT one hole in the bulkhead means certain death as you can't repair on the sea floor and the subs sink very quickly. One more problem is that unlike in GWX, OM throws planes at you from 1939... and they're ruthless seeing you even below water :haha:

My style of play is exactly the same though... However I find that the visual sensors in OM are perfect, allowing you to sneak up on ships, do surface attacks and infiltrate convoys in rough weather. SH4 has a much better platform but it was mainly tailored for the US campaign so it will never feel like GWX no matter what you do.

[karamazovnew]

Actually I take it back... I've had what must be the worst ever patrol in GWX... Febr 1940

It rained for 2 weeks and a total of 4 weeks of 15m/s waves. I never laod saves so I expected the weather to improve every 3 days, or hours, whatever... Despite this, I actually managed to sink a few good ships and even a V-sub. I spent 4 hours(real hours) shadowing a convoy waiting for the weather to clear up. As they approached Scapa, I decided to attack. I sank two 6k ton ships and spent another hour making fools out of the escorts. I turned back to base with 5 eels left, I had enough of that patrol. 30k tons in all, not bad considering how many shots were actually BLIND. As I reached the Danemark shore guess what. Freakin Crash To Desktop. Luckily I had saved just before engaging the convoy. Loaded up only to see it was a corrupted save... :damn: I'm going back to SH4, I can't take this save crap anymore.

[utops]

Yeah plastic ships and laggy water
GUI is nothing like a subsim i rather say it looks like scfi cosmic strategy game (something like old K240 for Amiga) - sqared buttons glowing here and there.
Besides in SH4 when i find one ship i know if i stay in this zone longer i find many of them and they probaly will be same as first one. Dissapearing ship is another problem in SH4 its happen to me many times, no matter what mod i use when in sh3 only one and my most part of nolifeness is builded on sh3GWX
i mean i eat teeth on that game as a gamer.
Last Sh4 dislike for me is crew and medal awards - i can`t really bound to the crew in this game, don`t remember names and do not know who deserve medal ,who was only place filler etc...
Medal awards is broken because i get twice medal of honor, silver stars on shirt in number of five.

As oldschool gamer and sim fan i must have good medal award system, in sh3 is fine, newspapers from the frontline (sh3commander nighclub is good substituter) and more more randomness in sinking mechanics and whole gameplay in general.

Still like Sh4 with TMO and OM but im back to it for max week and then back to SH3 again for a carrier or two
Peace!

[Jimbuna]

Actually I take it back... I've had what must be the worst ever patrol in GWX... Febr 1940

It rained for 2 weeks and a total of 4 weeks of 15m/s waves. I never laod saves so I expected the weather to improve every 3 days, or hours, whatever... Despite this, I actually managed to sink a few good ships and even a V-sub. I spent 4 hours(real hours) shadowing a convoy waiting for the weather to clear up. As they approached Scapa, I decided to attack. I sank two 6k ton ships and spent another hour making fools out of the escorts. I turned back to base with 5 eels left, I had enough of that patrol. 30k tons in all, not bad considering how many shots were actually BLIND. As I reached the Danemark shore guess what. Freakin Crash To Desktop. Luckily I had saved just before engaging the convoy. Loaded up only to see it was a corrupted save... :damn: I'm going back to SH4, I can't take this save crap anymore.

You certainly have a problem somewhere in your install...mores the pity http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[utops]

Jimbuna,
Im experiencing CTD when going back to Wilhelmshaven everytime on enterance to the main port bay, but i learn to save near Helgoland,load and it is okay, so maybe there is somewhere memory leak or TC mess up with something, hard to tell.
All,
Tip from me is save often and do not make mod soup.


Im not going back to Sh4 for now...
waiting for workaround touches neutral shiping and good sinking mechanics,because im tired to watch replays every time, when another sinking ship doing exactly same thing as the previous one no matter where i put my eel.

Jimbuna again,

High explosive ships do not harm my wolf anymore
IIRC in GWX 2 tanker filled with something really harsh blow of my conning tower when i try take a close up and hear sinking death song.

Today amunition ship in convoy blow 30m near sub and nothing happens...
If GWX3 manulal mention this in changelog then sorry i never asked :)

[bigboywooly]

Jimbuna,
Im experiencing CTD when going back to Wilhelmshaven everytime on enterance to the main port bay, but i learn to save near Helgoland,load and it is okay, so maybe there is somewhere memory leak or TC mess up with something, hard to tell.
All,
Tip from me is save often and do not make mod soup.


Im not going back to Sh4 for now...
waiting for workaround touches neutral shiping and good sinking mechanics,because im tired to watch replays every time, when another sinking ship doing exactly same thing as the previous one no matter where i put my eel.

Jimbuna again,

High explosive ships do not harm my wolf anymore
IIRC in GWX 2 tanker filled with something really harsh blow of my conning tower when i try take a close up and hear sinking death song.

Today amunition ship in convoy blow 30m near sub and nothing happens...
If GWX3 manulal mention this in changelog then sorry i never asked :)

CTD near Wilhelmshafen eh ?
Any other mods other than GWX ?

[utops]

Waterstream and Exhaust Kombimod V2.1 for GWX3
Torpedo damage final 2.0
SH4flagmod for GWX 3
Foam from jimbuna`s filefront
QueenMaryArmed
LifeBoats&Debrisv4
Rapt0r`s Interface

No conflicts,overwrites nothing interfere with another.

But like i said, when i load my save that i do it near Helgoland i can easly swim into base without CTD.
short patrols ~10 days also = no CTD

ain`t that strange?

[Jimbuna]

Yes very strange :hmmm:

The only mod I can see above that may play a part is the Queen Mary Armed....could be an ID conflict with something in Wilhelmshaven harbour.

Not sure mind because I don't know precisely which mod it is and from whence it came :06:

[sergei]

The only mod I can see above that may play a part is the Queen Mary . . . Not sure mind because I don't know precisely which mod it is and from whence it came :06:

That be one of Von Dos' ships.

[Reece]

Now with the new Sh5 on the corner, I got my hands on SH4 and teh UBOAT addon, and downloaded Monsun and some other addons, like the speech fixes and so on..

Why is it I cannot get into SH4? it looks euh.. plastic.. why is SH3 looking so much better, the riding on the waves and with GWX3 its a 'perfect' combo.

I cant grow into Sh4.. and am afraid for SH5 to be the same.

Sh3 has something sinister, something strange.. if one turn his monitor to B&W its like an old movie!

Any thoughts why ?

Kaleun JohannI love SHIII, I installed SHIV over a half dozen times, tried very hard to like it, but I don't, the main 3 problems I can't get around is:
1) The sea, too much like jello, some improvements made but still don't like, especially in the morning/evening, too black!
2) The U-boat buoyancy, in rough weather the boat almost flies!
3) The crew in rough seas keeps appearing/disappearing!
This is what shows in the navigation academy, let alone the campaign, I was hoping for GWX4 but didn't come since SHV was so close, now that that is a flop especially with the DRM for SP mode, I kinda hope the GWX team might have another go!:yep: As always my opinion only!:03:

[DMB3428]

well i started off learning sh4 and love it, so I went out and bought sh3 on a whim due in part to all of the chatter about it. I've got both versions modded to the hilt but as it stands right now, the win goes to sh4. Just my opinion AND I have spent a few hundred hours in sh4 vs about 20 in sh3. BOTH are good!:salute:

[utops]

4gb/vista/win7 patch recomendated by Hansolo to WAC solve this issue with Wilhelmshaven CTD in GWX :)
Good thing this patch do...
really good thing..mhm *inhale cigarette*