Petition Ubisoft to exempt SHV from DRM?

[AngusJS]

Should we start a petition to ask Ubisoft to exempt Silent Hunter V and any future Silent Hunter releases from this online DRM scheme?

I'm not as against it as some other people are (my computer won't be able to run SHV anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point), but I fear that if the DRM hurts sales significantly, it'll be the end of the Silent Hunter series, and sub sims for a long time to come.

[Letum]

This thread is as good as anywhere.

Signed.

[zulus]

Should we start a petition to ask Ubisoft to exempt Silent Hunter V and any future Silent Hunter releases from this online DRM scheme?

I'm not as against it as some other people are (my computer won't be able to run SHV anyway, so it's a bit of a moot point), but I fear that if the DRM hurts sales significantly, it'll be the end of the Silent Hunter series, and sub sims for a long time to come.

I'm not fear about the end of it. The end will come anyway. But if we ever have a full featured top notch WW2 theme modded u-boat simulator it's the end of story. Everyone's happy and that's it..

[martes86]

I sign this too. :DL

[McBeck]

Signed

[GoldenRivet]

Just like the petition for the SH3 Developer kit?

Consider this

SIGNED:salute:

though i think circulating a paper copy would be taken more seriously

[Brag]

Drop full time online requirement from all games!

Judging from all other similar experiments, they have all failed

[KL-alfman]

I guess no one here is against clever copy-protection.
but an "OSP" with the need of staying online permanently is the worst UBI can do.

petition signed!

[oscar19681]

Signed :up:

[Mud]

1 time online activation and no futher internet connection required.
I can live with not reselling the game.
But 24/7 connected to the web required to play an offline game is simply rediculous :nope:

So ....... Signed!

Mud

[trenken]

No way, not signing this, Im a big fan of DRM games. You guys dont even know what it is, so you just all agree with each other. How many of you own some games that use DRM hmmm?

"YEAH! FIGHT THE POWER!!! (what are we fighting again?)"

:har:

[trenken]

1 time online activation and no futher internet connection required.
I can live with not reselling the game.
But 24/7 connected to the web required to play an offline game is simply rediculous :nope:

So ....... Signed!

Mud

There are many advantages to the constant connection. Learn what they are then you can talk about it.

[tonyj]

i guess this prompts the question what are the many advantages?

[Mud]

There are many advantages to the constant connection. Learn what they are then you can talk about it.

Believe me I know what they are 'cos I'm am 24/7 connected but a lot of people aren't or have a bad connection.
It's pretty ignorant to rule those people out for playing a offline game isn't it?
So go back to your cave and don't tell me to learn what I'm talking about.

Mud

[piri_reis]

SIGNED.
We don't want any 'always online DRM' in single player, offline games, UBI!

And please guys, don't start replying Trenken here, just check the other threads, he will never understand our reasoning.

There are many advantages to the constant connection. Learn what they are then you can talk about it.

[SteamWake]

Signed before closure :03:

[mookiemookie]

No way, not signing this, Im a big fan of DRM games. You guys dont even know what it is, so you just all agree with each other. How many of you own some games that use DRM hmmm?

"YEAH! FIGHT THE POWER!!! (what are we fighting again?)"

:har:

Then why troll this thread by posting here?

Signed-

[ParaB]

No way, not signing this, Im a big fan of DRM games.

God, please tell me you've been trolling for the last couple of days, because I cannot believe that any sane person could actually be happy about getting his rights to use a product limited.

Grudgingly accepting DRM I can still somehow understand, but your "pro DRM" campaign here during the last couple of days is becoming more ridiculous by the day.

[Webster]

Then why troll this thread by posting here?

Signed-


agreed, state your opinion and move on but constantly challenging members who dont like DRM is trolling and i am tired of it.

you are free to state your opinion but after making your point you need to move on and let others have freedom to say what they want as well

[tonyj]

signed

[Sulikate]

Signed.

An online petition form would be nice as well :arrgh!:

[Harcor]

signed!!
Everyone has to sign in here, come on guys !!! I wont buy it if its with the the DRM

this is not a joke ubisoft, lots and lots of customers are giving you a big "NO" to this issue

Good bye guys I come back when the game is sold without DRM.

Life has more to give than this company!!

[kptn_kaiserhof]

i agree but.............sign me up as well

[LuboS]

signed ...

[Dieselglock]

Signed.

[Kefru]

Signed

[dcb]

Signed

[trenken]

Believe me I know what they are 'cos I'm am 24/7 connected but a lot of people aren't or have a bad connection.
It's pretty ignorant to rule those people out for playing a offline game isn't it?
So go back to your cave and don't tell me to learn what I'm talking about.

Mud

As I said in another thread, people used to like record albums too, but guess what, they were replaced as soon as something better came along. Regardless of their love of records, tapes still came out, and CDs still came out. Now those people are forced to search vintage shops for them. You cant wait for everyone to jump on board, technology is a moving train that stops for noone. Jump on board or find another hobby.

All of these guys that dont have a constant connection, or are on dialup, will be searching used game bins for offline only games, when none are being made anymore.

You think I love having to rely on my internet to make sure my games keep running? Nope, but one thing I will not do is :wah: about it.

[Adriatico]

SIGNED.

[Iron Budokan]

Signed.

And, yes, my wallet def stays closed as long as this DRM is allowed to stand.

Like I said in another thread. I have two boys I can play catch with this spring. I will still be busy, SH5 or no. :O:

[Iron Budokan]

As I said in another thread, people used to like record albums too, but guess what, they were replaced as soon as something better came along. Regardless of their love of records, tapes still came out, and CDs still came out. Now those people are forced to search vintage shops for them. You cant wait for everyone to jump on board, technology is a moving train that stops for noone. Jump on board or find another hobby.

All of these guys that dont have a constant connection, or are on dialup, will be searching used game bins for offline only games, when none are being made anymore.

You think I love having to rely on my internet to make sure my games keep running? Nope, but one thing I will not do is :wah: about it.

The magical world you live in where everyone has superb Internet connection simply doesn't exist. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've probably never lived in Mississippi? I have. Trust me on this one. Their Internet sucks canal water. So do many other rural areas of the country.

I wish it were otherwise. But the magical world you describe really doesn't exist yet for a huge segment of the American population. That's not opinion...that's reality. :03:

[Task Force]

Signed

Task Force... For a better DRM free sh5... lol:yep:

[bishop]

As I said in another thread, people used to like record albums too, but guess what, they were replaced as soon as something better came along. Regardless of their love of records, tapes still came out, and CDs still came out. Now those people are forced to search vintage shops for them. You cant wait for everyone to jump on board, technology is a moving train that stops for noone. Jump on board or find another hobby.

The record to cd comparison doesn't really work. The move to CD's didn't entail any kind of reliance on anything (except electricity and a new CD player) I can play music CD's in the exact same manner as I could records, anytime I want, no restrictions.



You think I love having to rely on my internet to make sure my games keep running? Nope,

In 2005 Hurricane Wilma hit south Florida and knocked my power out for 5 days, but it was a full 3 weeks before I had Internet access back. So to pass the time, only thing I could do on the pc was... play some games (Civ 4 had just come out, so I was happily occupied). Under your 'new world' playing games would not have been an option.

Of course, I could still listen to my music CD's with no problem or my old vinyl records on my usb turntable, and that's where your analogy fails. Requiring a constant Internet connection to play a single player game is not a feature or "something better"...

[Jimbuna]

Just like the petition for the SH3 Developer kit?

Consider this

SIGNED:salute:

though i think circulating a paper copy would be taken more seriously

Agreed http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

Signed.

[Sgtmonkeynads]

Signed

[Jan Kyster]

Will register, activate and what not, but only once.


Petition Signed.
Jan Kyster

[utops]

Yeah,me too

Signed.

[urfisch]

Signed

[bigboywooly]

signed

[frau kaleun]

Will register, activate and what not, but only once.

Ditto.

Signed.

[Westbroek]

John Hancock

[Delareon]

Will register, activate and what not, but only once.

absolutely.

Signed

[BulSoldier]

I sign aswell.

But arent there ready pettiotions in the internet where you just have to write what your pettition is for.It would be much better than forum posts.I would write it myself but as you can see my english isnt good enough to be taken seriously.

[Laffertytig]

signed.

like its gonna make any difference though eh!

[stabiz]

signed.

like its gonna make any difference though eh!

Probably not, but this is the only way I`m getting wet in SH5 so ...

SIGNED

[conus00]

I'm Signing this, too. (but not holding my breath, take a look how long has been the "Petition to UBI to release SH3 SDK" posted, how many signatures and do we have it?)

[meanstreak]

SH5 in it's current guise?? No thanks :down:

Signed.

[coronas]

Signed!

[Highbury]

Drop full time online requirement from all games!

Judging from all other similar experiments, they have all failed

Not true, show me one that has failed due to DRM. The only truly comparable title at the moment is RoF and it is doing fine.

I prefer not to need a connection so:

SIGNED

but I am not fussed either way.

[Webchessie]

Signed.

Copy protection = Yes.

DRM/OSP = NO!

[j_o_nn_y]

Signed.

Still gutted that I have been waiting all this time for a new Submarine game that is set in the Atlantic and its all gone to waste. :cry:.

[AOTD_MadMax]

Signed

[Rip]

Signed

[Topo65]

Signed.

[sabretwo]

Signed. :rock:

[Sailor Steve]

John Hancock
Cute, but if you're going to use that name it should at least be three times the regular size!:D

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/180px-JohnHancockSignature.jpg

John Hancock



Oh, and...

SIGNED!

[Ginthis]

Signed. Don't want it, don't need it. :stare:

[Carotio]

SIGNED :stare:

[longdog499]

Signed. I can only afford to pay my ISP for Internet connection with a download limit of 10 gigs a month so all the time I was playing SHV I would be eating into that 10 gigs and worrying about a financial penalty if I went past my limit. :down:

[swampa]

Signed

[DarkFish]

Signed. I can only afford to pay my ISP for Internet connection with a download limit of 10 gigs a month so all the time I was playing SHV I would be eating into that 10 gigs and worrying about a financial penalty if I went past my limit. :down:lucky you. MY limit is only ONE GB a month, after that my DL speed drops to 12kb/s max:damn:

SIGNED

[Webster]

and those penalties are like 900 number phone lines

my last ISP it was like $10 per 1mb after the limit was reached

[Onkel Neal]

Signed before closure :03:

Signed, (for full time)

[headcase]

Signed

Russ Dye.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Signed :yep:

[magic452]

Signed :yep: :down:

Magic

[JU_88]

While its not a massive problem for myself here in London (UK), it certainly is for large number of users in more remote locations, alienating those people is no way to run a business.

Signed.

[THE_MASK]

Signed .

[Paajtor]

Signed.:()1:


P.

*edit* signed as 666th viewer :P

[Kptlt_Lynch]

Sorry, but you are dissolusioned if you think this will thwart UBI's plans. The release date is a little over a month away... too late now.

[capthelm]

signed

[don1reed]

signed

[Gato76]

Signed

[VonHesse]

Signed.

[panzerschutze12ss]

Signed!!!

[Reece]

Definitely!:yep:

Petition Signed

[JScones]

/signed

[Ghostdog]

Signed.

[sk065]

signed

[Wolfling04]

Signed, for sure

[Boris]

I'm in

[pifer]

Signed.

[Mikhayl]

signed!

[Uber Gruber]

Singed!

[danlisa]

Signed

[TDK1044]

Signed. :)

[andycaccia]

SIGNED!:salute:

[IanC]

signed

[janh]

signed.

[Alex]

Signed.

[Rhodes]

Signed!

[zulus]

Signed.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

http://bowjamesbow.ca/images/colin-baker.jpg


Signed, but I wouldnt be suprised if it's ignored

[bigboywooly]

Signed

[TDK1044]

Dear Ubisoft,

At the time of this post, in an active poll in another thread, out of a total of 588 members here.......

356 voted to wait for no online DRM beforte purchasing the game
93 are not going to buy it at all
59 will cancel their pre-order
80 are fine with the DRM

I suspect that you'll find these numbers reflected in other forums accross the web. Are you really so arrogant as to ignore this reaction?

[Marka Ragnos]

I also have a monthly download limit alltough greater then what's posted before i do not want to use up my bandwith for a SINGLE player game!



Signed

[Alex]

@ TDK : Maybe posting this at Ubi would be a bit more efficient :03: (we're not sure GKane visits Subsim, after all). :hmmm:

:arrgh!:

[onelifecrisis]

Good thinking Alex.

Oh, and...

- Signed

Because even though I'll probably buy the game either way, I do feel for those who have limited/unstable internet connections.

[momo55]

Signed

[limkol]

signed.
'The fall and rise and fall and rise and fall of the UBI Empire'. Getting tired of good news followed by bad. I think that DRM is bad news. Just want to play the bloody game!

[Undefined]

Signed.

[karamazovnew]

Just a sec... where's my pen?

There... SIGNED

[Arclight]

Signed.

For the love of god, just a disk-check, perhaps online activation (by e-mail or phone as alternatives). No permanent connections, no limited installs. Those 2 are the big no-nos.

[jerm138]

Signed...

...But with no realistic expectation that it will make a difference.
They probably expected this and I'm sure they had meetings with heated debates about the potential backlash. They've made their decision though and release date is almost here.

Glad I'm happy enough with SH3 and SH4 to not really be bothered by it.

[Tonnage_Ace]

Signed

[John W. Hamm]

No way, not signing this, Im a big fan of DRM games. You guys dont even know what it is, so you just all agree with each other. How many of you own some games that use DRM hmmm?

"YEAH! FIGHT THE POWER!!! (what are we fighting again?)"

:har:


FRACKING TROLL!




I hereby sign this large enough so that UBI can read it without their contacts in.

Down with DRM!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/JohnHancockSignature.jpg/180px-JohnHancockSignature.jpg

[shmall]

SIGNED

[longam]

signed

[Bubblehead1980]

SIGNED

[ReaperJester]

Wish I'd come back under better circumstances...

Signed.

[The Enigma]

I wonna sign too,

Wait, I need to be online to sign the petition???:o.
Not only that, I need to create an account as well?
And I'm against this online DRM????

Well, yes I am.

-Signed-

[kipper]

Signed

[subvers4]

Signed

[Gezoes]

I'm in. Signed.

[hector]

Signed

Hector

[Zoomer96]

Signed

[Lopo]

Signed

[henriksultan]

signed.

Don't do this ****... :down:

[Ragtag]

I will never buy any game demanding me to stay online. I don't care how good the game is. When i can't play a game i pay for when i want to, where i want to, is a good enough reason to stay away from.

This kind of DRM will only drive more people to piracy. I cancelled my pre-order and will await but i know that this is something Ubisoft won't change any time soon. I also cancelled a couple of other Ubisoft titles.

/signed!

[Gilbou]

Signed

[GREY WOLF 3]

Signed.:up:

[Nokia]

Signed

[melin71]

signed

but they have there head up in the a.. so they will not borther

[Blood_splat]

signed:salute:

[Armistead]

No way.....I'll be sticking with SH4 , thankfully many great Mods. This is a deal breaker for me..

SIGNED

[danurve]

This would be like asking your EX to understand your feelings, get you a beer, and finish the damn dishes.

[OldFrenchy]

SIGNED

[Rapt0r56]

Signed! :nope:

[Darkbluesky]

Signed

[Betonov]

Schiff gesichtet, torpedo lo.... the neigbour manages to fell a tree on the cable...AGAIN, connection lost, no games today

SIGNED

[col_Kurtz]

No way, not signing this, Im a big fan of DRM games. You guys dont even know what it is, so you just all agree with each other. How many of you own some games that use DRM hmmm?

"YEAH! FIGHT THE POWER!!! (what are we fighting again?)"

:har:

http://www.yougamers.com/news/27311_assassins_creed_2_pc_drm_fail_-_ubisoft_doing_it_wrong/

Checkpoint reached.

[Friedl9te]

Signed !

[Kaleun_Endrass]

Signed

[col_Kurtz]

Sorry, but you are dissolusioned if you think this will thwart UBI's plans. The release date is a little over a month away... too late now.

That`s right, it`s too late. But for my money and my patience. Not.

I forgot...

Signed.

[nigelnire]

Signed !

[Gunnodayak]

Signed !

[KING111]

Signed
DRM no sale:har:

[FIREWALL]

I recall this petition going nowhere.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=119555

Ahhh heck it helps everyones post count. :03:

[col_Kurtz]

http://bowjamesbow.ca/images/colin-baker.jpg


Signed, but I wouldnt be suprised if it's ignored

This is us who are being ignored.

[lorka42]

I know that this link was posted in the original post, but I'm going to put it up here anyway, as it was extremely thought-provoking, for me.

Warning, long read.

article taken from

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/experienced-points/7134-Experienced-Points-Activation-Bomb

written by Shamus Young, posted 2/15/10

It's the old action scene trope: The bad guy is holding an unpinned grenade or a bomb connected to a dead man's switch, so that if he dies he'll automatically take everyone else with him. Suddenly everyone becomes very interested in the health and well-being of the bad guy.

This is the situation we find when publishers add online activation to the retail version of their single player games. If they go out of business, their servers will go down. No servers means no activation. No activation means you can't ever install their games again. So if the company dies, their games die with them. This can be Steam-based games, but it can also be games from publishers like 2kGames and Ubisoft. If you're one of those gamers who eats games like potato chips - consuming them and then moving on without giving them a second thought - then this discussion shouldn't worry you. Maybe read this really good article Jordan Deam put up earlier this week (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/on-the-ball/7121-On-The-Ball-A-Little-More-Conversation-A-Little-Less-Action) instead. But if you're like me and you play games three, four, or even sixteen years after release, then you should probably be thinking about how long a game will "live" before the servers go down.

Developers, publishers, and fellow fans are always quick to defend activation. Let's assume you're thinking of buying Shoot Guy 2: The Shootening from the developer Incomprehensible Games. The conversation will go like this:


Why are you worried about this? The servers will be there when you want to play the game 15 years from now.

The cost of running a server forever and ever is actually infinity dollars. Do you think anyone would want to still be running servers for the original Populous? Companies go out of business. Especially companies who go on running servers for games that stopped making money years earlier.


Why are you worried about Incomprehensible Games going away? They're HUGE. They're going to be in business for years!

You mean they're a big, successful name? Big like Looking Glass Studios, Interplay, and Black Isle Studios, all of which made stellar games and went out of business anyway? Even the enormously successful Blizzard was gobbled up by Activision.



Companies are bought, sold, gutted, and closed constantly in this business. And when companies change hands, they change management. Maybe your CEO right now believes that the company should keep the activation servers up forever and ever, but the truth is that the CEO you'll have eighteen months from now might not care.


Okay, if Incomprehensible Games ever goes out of business or takes down the servers, we'll release a patch to disable the check.

This sounds reasonable now when Shoot Guy 2 is fresh in your mind. But think back to the games you were working on ten years ago. How long would it take you to track down the source, find the thing that needs to be changed, and get the sucker to recompile? You still have all those ancient Direct X libraries? The old development environment? All the SDK packages needed for making games for Window 98 and Windows 95? As a programmer with a couple of decades under his belt, I can tell you that compiling legacy code is way more time consuming than you imagine.


So it will take us a few hours to sort out and release a patch. Big deal. We're good for it.

Yeah. Except, you don't need to release one patch. You'll need a bunch. If you go out of business you'll need patches for every activation-based game you've ever released. Shoot Guy 2 through Shoot Guy 6, plus the expansion packs and the RTS.



That's not that many...

Plus the Mac versions for all of the above. And the international (European) versions. And the special Australian versions that replace the aliens with kittens and the blood with lowfat strawberry yogurt. We're talking about releasing dozens of patches that could represent hundreds of hours of labor.


We could get the patches ready ahead of time and put them out when the time comes.

A nice thought, although nobody has done this yet. Prey had online activation. It came out four years ago. When was the last time anyone saw that game on the shelf? What sales are being protected by the activation system? Nobody has ever made an official policy of, "We'll release a patch and take down a server three years after a game comes out." Everyone seems intent on running the activation servers "forever". If 2kGames hasn't released a patch for a game which is no longer for sale, why should your game be any different? And if you are serious about putting out the patch, why don't you give us a date?


They removed the activation check for BioShock!

No. In fact, that's specifically what they didn't do. They set the server to always say "yes" when someone does an install, but they never released a patch to stop the game from asking in the first place. If that server were to go down, it would no longer be possible to install the legitimate retail version of the game.


Really. We'll put up the patches. Seriously.

Put it up? Where? You've been bought up or are going out of business. You've come in on Friday morning to find all your stuff in a cardboard box with a terse note thanking you for all of your hard work. The servers are going down tonight. Where exactly will you be putting these patches?


We could put it on a torrent. Stop being so paranoid.

Keep in mind you don't actually own the game. You're either going out of business and your company now belongs to all the people who loaned you money, or you've been bought up by MegaCorp Publishing, and they now own all that stuff. And you're suggesting that you'll swipe their source code and invest hundreds of hours to release unauthorized versions of their software? On the torrents? You're either lying, you haven't thought this through, or you're crazy.
When you ask a gamer to pay for a game with online activation, you are asking for a great deal of trust. Which is outrageous, since the entire reason the game has activation is because they refuse to trust you.
To my fellow gamers: Buy, or do not buy, but always be aware of what you're getting into. Because sooner or later the publisher is going to die, and when they go they will take your collection with them.


./quote

think about it, how long ago was sh3 released, and look at how many still play it, how can they, with a clear conscience, sell a product that they KNOW will stop working at some unknown future date( personally I'm not worried too much, there will be a crack out the day after it ships) but to the computer inepts out there like my dad, who cant even install a new game without my help, its a death sentence.

P.s. heres a link to a ubisoft S.A. oniine petition( says assasins creed 2 or sommat, but it got the same DRM)
http://www.petitiononline.com/ew15dl94/petition.html

[The Enigma]

I recall this petition going nowhere.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=119555

Ahhh heck it helps everyones post count. :03:

Our wallet/voice/pen can be mighty weapons :rock:

[FIREWALL]

Our wallet/voice/pen can be mighty weapons :rock:


I agree the Pen is mightier than the Sword.

But the Wallet is a better Weapon. :DL

[jwilliams]

Signed.
Worried about losing all my progress if I lose connection to ubi server....
Imagine if its been 2 hrs or more since you last saved and then your conection dies.
Save more often you say.....:hmmm: Well what if the same bugs from SH3 is present in 5 (No underwater saves, cant save within 50km of a port (ships lose their waypoints and run ashore), etc.). I spent prob over 6hrs evading depth charges in shallow water in SH3. I would be seriously pi**ed if my connection died before i could save.:damn:
From what I can make from ubi's Q&A on OSP. the game will pause on disconnect and saves are only available while connected to server.
Game braker IMO.
SH5 was a buy on release for me.... until OSP was confirm... now I'm going to wait. Hopefully Neal is able to get a review version soon and can check if this is how OSP works. Until I know for sure that this is not the case then no SH5 for me.:wah:

[niteflier]

Signed

[ERPP8]

If you "Sign" petition can you still buy the game?

[Bilge_Rat]

If you "Sign" petition can you still buy the game?


I don't see why not.....:arrgh!:

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/13/how-not-to-boycott-modern-warfare-2/

[zakarpatska]

Signed.

[Siantis]

Signed.

I personally think that a one time activation is fine, and then confirming that activation in order to download patches or DLC later on.

[frog7]

I Signed

[ERPP8]

I don't like the idea of DRM but I have a feeling that Ubisoft will create some sort of "patch" to get rid of it for people who already bought it.
Consider me signed.



I'm still buying the game

[Ragtag]

Signed.

[V.C. Sniper]

hello ubi suits, r u watching us sign the petition?

[Webster]

even if every post is signing up (which it isnt) you still only have 150 out of the 2500 views here so its not like a force to be reconned with so i doubt UBI thinks much of the response to this petition

heres to hoping DRM dies a quick and painfull death http://www.myemoticons.com/images/emotions/disappointed/thumbs-down-1.gif (http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons/emotions/disappointed/thumbs-down-1-07196/)

[IanC]

Well maybe they'll take it seriously if I sign this thing again, this time in my own blood! :o

[609_Avatar]

Signed.

As much as I've liked the series, yes, I've owned/bought them all, I will not buy this one as long as there is OSP. No way.

[dbunger]

I'm all for that.

[Wintahs]

Internet petitions :D

[SeaStorm]

signed.

[Seaman_Hornsby]

heres to hoping DRM dies a quick and painfull death http://www.myemoticons.com/images/emotions/disappointed/thumbs-down-1.gif (http://www.myemoticons.com/emoticons/emotions/disappointed/thumbs-down-1-07196/)

:up:

Signed.

[Sailor Steve]

I think voting with the wallet will be more effective, but...

SIGNED:sunny:

[B.d.U]

Signed !

[Elder-Pirate]

OSP/DRM UGH, ME NO LIKE. :damn: :nope: :down: :dead:


Signed.

[Kaleun Klink]

I was really looking forward to SHV until I learned about the always-on Internet connection requirement. Not only do I hate the idea of having to sign up with Ubisoft and be constantly connected to their server to play the game, but I will be deployed with the Navy next month and will have no Internet access!

So, obviously, there's no point in me buying the game. Ironic, isn't it? A sailor can't play Ubisoft's sub sim.

Hey, Ubisoft: I understand you wanna stop software piracy -- I'm all for that -- but this level of DRM is going too far.

No SHV for my laptop if Ubisoft sticks with this DRM.

[Onkel Neal]

Is this the list of people who will not be buying SH5 and not discussing it here in 6 weeks? :O: Just askin....

[navyvet]

signed

[Sailor Steve]

Is this the list of people who will not be buying SH5 and not discussing it here in 6 weeks? :O: Just askin....
Good point.

Okay, if I insist on standing by what I call 'principles', I guess it's time to pony up.

I have announced I won't be buying or playing it while this measure is in place, I guess I should back up the words with deeds.

Until the state of affairs changes to one in which I can play the game, I won't be talking about it anymore either. I'll still check in, maybe to defend my position if need be, but mostly I'll be seeing you in all the old familiar places.

[609_Avatar]

Is this the list of people who will not be buying SH5 and not discussing it here in 6 weeks? :O: Just askin....

Are you implying that you would prefer those of us in this list not discuss any aspect of the game here... at least until we buy it? Just askin' back. ;) :) (no tongue action for you! :D )

[Sledgehammer427]

even though I'll probably buy the game anyways, I'm signing it.
this DRM thing is a little crass.
if I move out and don't have internet for a couple months, I'll probably be jonesing for some SHV and I can't play a game I bought at the store with no internet?

if they are going to DRM it, just distribute it online. don't sell hard copies on a leash.

(oh, and
SIGNED!)

[Affront7]

signed

[U-5000]

signed no DRM for me either!!!

[TarJak]

Autographed.:D

[rea00cy]

signed!

[Soviet_Warlord]

signed

[zinosumatra]

Compliance.

Signed, amc.

[Nordmann]

Well, I doubt anyone from Ubi will read this, but I concur with the aim.

Signed.

[RDDR]

Do Count me in.I would have thought the Ubi guys were smarter than that.
I guess not:nope:

[SeaStorm]

Is this the list of people who will not be buying SH5 and not discussing it here in 6 weeks? :O: Just askin....

I intend to win their Banner contest. :arrgh!: (oops)

[mikeydredd]

1. A single player game that you have to be online continuously to play.

2. They keep your save games.

3. You can never resell said game as it would be unuseable by anyone else - so in effect you actually don't own it, despite having spent money to "buy" it.

Count me in

Signed 1000 times in blood.

Will UBIsoft be bothered by this petition?

I doubt it very much.

Are they bothered about my rights as a consumer?

NO.

Am I now bothered about giving them my hard earned money?

NO

[Arestris]

signed!

Have bought a lot of Ubi games in the past (Splinter Cell, SH, ...) but if Ubi keeps that **** DRM, they will lose me as customer.

[Sharkfin]

I´m one of those guys who read a lot in this forum but almost never post...but in this case: signed!

[danasan]

Quote

Well, I doubt anyone from Ubi will read this, but I concur with the aim.

/Quote

You'd better believe they do. Someone has been thrown out by UBI on the German forum for starting a similar petition...

...back to topic...

Signed

[Zvezko]

Signed.

[Ouch!]

Those hackers that will undoubtedly get round this DRM system and have the game up on the torrent sites and news groups, within days, are a real problem.

However, I beleive that they will still do so and the upshot will be that their 'hacked' version of the game without the terrible and stupid DRM will probably work better and function more freely, than the official version which will be tied to UBI's servers.

So, if anything, UBI are encouraging people to try the 'hacked' version.

I have had problems with games containing SecuROM in the past and that was bad enough, but waiting for UBI-Soft to allow me to play a game I own on my own computer....This really is the beginning of the end, of PC gaming.

I was bitten by Op Flashpoint Dragon rising which promised dedicated servers and then broke it's promise.

I'm gonna cancel my pre-order for this game and wait to see what happens.

Signed! :wah:

[FrankDiver]

I concur. Signed.

[Nordmann]

Is this the list of people who will not be buying SH5 and not discussing it here in 6 weeks? :O: Just askin....

Firstly, I suspect that if someone says they will not buy it, they won't. If they have any self control, which any mature person should. Secondly, we do not need to buy the game in order to discuss it, that's not how forums work.

[ViperU48]

signed.

[Aces]

signed

Starforce ruined a CDRW drive of mine when I bought SH3. I will buy SH5 but not with the DRM.

Regards

Aces

[miner1436]

Signed

[Iron Budokan]

Signed.

[Gibor357]

Signed

[Orion Shadow]

signed

[Tommythefox]

Signed

[speedlord]

1 time online activation is enough signed

[Onkel Neal]

Are you implying that you would prefer those of us in this list not discuss any aspect of the game here... at least until we buy it? Just askin' back. ;) :) (no tongue action for you! :D )


I'm just thinking aloud, there's not much to discuss when you don't have the game? I guess you can comment on the things that are being said by people playing the game...

[pzgndr]

Signed.

I'll just keep on with SH3 and GWX until another U-boat game comes along without a UPlay DRM. :nope:

[Brag]

Welcome aboard Pnzgndr :DL
Until last year I was a sort of neighbour of yours (Gaithersburg). The internet drove me nutz there.

[Thomen]

Welcome aboard Pnzgndr :DL
Until last year I was a sort of neighbour of yours (Gaithersburg). The internet drove me nutz there.

Can't believe Gaithersburgs Inet is that crappy. On the other hand, if it somewhere like in the outskirts of Frederick, yea.. then it is bad! One stiff breeze and zap.. off you go. :nope:

[Brag]

Friend of mine near Dulles cancelled his internet for being useless.
The Ubi dummies never studied internet problems. This will bite them harder than expected.

[Dronston]

It is absurd that I wouldn't be able to play SH5 when I have no internet connection...

SIGNED

[3Dfr34k2009]

Guys sign your petition on this link:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?ew15dl94&1

I already did it. :salute:
Petition #1129.
"Ubisoft requires a beter way to protect their games against piracy. Permanent connection to Internet in a single player game like Silent Hunter 5 is insane!."

Also I canceled my pre-order on Amazon several days ago.

Ubisucks must listen to us the customers!.

SINGLE PLAYER OFFLINE or else.....:down:

[Dronston]

Guys sign your petition on this link:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?ew15dl94&1

I already did it. :salute:
Petition #1129.
"Ubisoft requires a beter way to protect their games against piracy. Permanent connection to Internet in a single player game like Silent Hunter 5 is insane!."

Also I canceled my pre-order on Amazon several days ago.

Ubisucks must listen to us the customers!.

SINGLE PLAYER OFFLINE or else.....:down:

Done.

[Narn]

count me in

[Elder-Pirate]

Done. :up:

[Schultzy]

Signed here and there too.

[The Enigma]

Me too :up:

[Nisgeis]

Guys sign your petition on this link<SNIP>

count me in

Welcome aboard!

[Kron161]

I want to be able to play without being hooked to the net.


signed!

I wish this will do some effect.

[rditto48801]

If SH5 gets good ratings/reviews, I will consider getting it if I have the money to spare...
The present DRM, on the other hands, is a bit of a turn off.
(the save online only nonsense is another major turn off)

I lack a router, and if I want to play a PC game, I don't want to be unable to play it because my DSL modem is hooked up to a game console that is doing updates or DLC downloading at the time.
I would feel sorry for a friend of mine if he had a game with such DRM. Bad weather causes his DSL connection to act odd and randomly loose connection at random times.
Can you imagine that? You're stalking a convoy, bad weather brews up IRL, and the game keeps 'pausing' or whatever because the connection gets a bit spotty?
Heck, I've had cable TV just 'go out' at night at rare times, and not get fixed for many hours (like not coming back on until in the morning), so I am guessing it might also cause problems for anyone in the area that has a cable modem and games late in the night.
Just to many things that could go wrong with the 'must always be online' bit.

I want to play games when I want to play them, not restricted to times when my DSL modem is hooked up to my PC and actually turned on.

Overall...
signed.

[609_Avatar]

Guys sign your petition on this link:

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?ew15dl94&1

I already did it. :salute:
Petition #1129.
"Ubisoft requires a beter way to protect their games against piracy. Permanent connection to Internet in a single player game like Silent Hunter 5 is insane!."

Also I canceled my pre-order on Amazon several days ago.

Ubisucks must listen to us the customers!.

SINGLE PLAYER OFFLINE or else.....:down:

Done. #1393

[Sfinx]

Signed.

[OakGroove]

Signed. Of course.
Though i doubt it will achieve anything, looking at the cocky ignorance in their press releases. The only language they understand is that of their balance sheets.

[The Enigma]

Signed. Of course.
Though i doubt it will achieve anything, looking at the cocky ignorance in their press releases. The only language they understand is that of their balance sheets.

And we have the power to have some influence on that sheet :03:

[howler93]

Consider me signed as well!

I was looking forward to SH5 in such a big way...I really hope this thing can get resolved so that we can all get back to happily anticipating another excellent subsim. Keep the pressure on, boys! :up:

Howler

[Herr Minger]

Signed. Unreliable internet connections in the UK are not unheard off, and this could seriously impact the quality of this product.

[XXi]

Signed.

The D/Cs here are nothing uncommon. They can be serious issue in case of Red Orchestra and Eve Online, I just don`t want to have similiar problems with yet another game...
Not to mention that RO can be launched offline and Eve is MMO so in this particular case stable connection is quite obvious requirement.

[Seafireliv]

Online problems are expected and accepted if playing ONLINE MULTIPLAYER GAMES like Red Orchestra or Eve. No person should have to expect the same troubles in Single Player games.

It`s one reason why I play games Offline 99% of the time! For the peace and non-hassle.

[Jman64]

Signed

[SteamWake]

If ever there was a title that should be exempt, due to length of the gameplay sessions, this would be it.

But then again I havent actually played the game and going on past experience. As far as I know it may only take 10 to 15 minutes to complete a 'tour'.

Anyhow signed... they drop it I'll buy it. ;)

[frenema]

There's no way Ubisoft is going to listen to the people even if the petition reaches 100,000 signatures. We just have to speak up with our wallets and not change our minds later. But anways...

Signed.

[Nimmo55]

Signed!!

Nimmo55

[Gatt]

Signed.

[TH0R]

Signed!!!

[Farinhir]

Signed.

With my internet I can not buy this game, or any other new ubisoft game. They are missing out on two sales with me. I will also be skipping AC2.

[kptn_kaiserhof]

sighned

[Iron Budokan]

There's no way Ubisoft is going to listen to the people even if the petition reaches 100,000 signatures. We just have to speak up with our wallets and not change our minds later.

^^This.

[scrapser]

Signed.

The people who actually do the work creating these simulations need to find another publisher who doesn't have their head up their rear torpedo room.

[JSLTIGER]

Signed.

[Peter Cremer]

:damn: SIGNED!

[Herodotus]

SIGNED.

But I don't honestly think they'll liste too closely. SH5 is, after all, just one title in the new UPlay line-up. If they change it for one, they'll have to change their whole new marketting and sales strategy.

[Heretic]

SIGNED.

But I don't honestly think they'll liste too closely. SH5 is, after all, just one title in the new UPlay line-up. If they change it for one, they'll have to change their whole new marketting and sales strategy.


That works both ways. The big sellers like AC2 will decide the fate of the DRM. If that kills the DRM, SH5 will in all likelihood benefit.

[Herodotus]

One can but hope.
One thing's certain...Ubisoft are going to make a major hit to their sales figures this year.

[melendir]

Signed

[Jaeger]

signed!

[Wulfmann]

Signed

My game PC is not even connected to the internet and my email PC is dial up anyway.

This is not a matter of not wanting to it is a matter of I can't anyway so DRM is UBI's way of telling me they do not want my money.

Wulfmann

[Méo]

This is not a matter of not wanting to it is a matter of I can't anyway

You can't be connected, why?

[Elder-Pirate]

826 sigs since 02/20/10 Sat at 4 P.M. CST. :rock:

[Elder-Pirate]

You can't be connected, why?


You can't just take his word for it?? Is it that bad?

[ReFaN]

Even tho iam buying it i might aswell sign, DRM isnt good for the players in the end.
atleast those with bad connections.

[Méo]

You can't just take his word for it?? Is it that bad?

I'm only trying to understand his situation, he says that it's not a question of willpower, it's a question that he can't anyway. I'm just wondering why?

A good argument is based on something concrete. In this case I was trying to know what is this ''something''.

[frau kaleun]

I'm only trying to understand his situation, he says that it's not a question of willpower, it's a question that he can't anyway. I'm just wondering why?

A good argument is based on something concrete. In this case I was trying to know what is this ''something''.


He already stated that his gaming PC does not have an internet connection. No connection = can't play game, whether he buys it or not.

[Méo]

...Nevermind

[HKLE]

signed

[cappy70]

I got the answer in my e-mail that I signed and I thought I wrote in here..Hmmm Well here it goes again then.:

SIGNED

.....oh this remember me of God o'l SH2 days.....:D:D

[wetwarev7]

I'll sign this petition too. any others?

SIGNED

[IRISH4Life]

I wont buy the game. Not really interested in ever being regulated by Steam. Don't like the setup for COD ruined the game for me.

I'll stick with SH IV TMO with RSRD. Have fun with SH V. As for UBI good luck with the sales! Doesnt sound like you will have a mad rush to your new game. Maybe if you keep delaying release, we will all die off and you will sell it to someone who loves steam?

IRISH4life

[Subtype Zero]

Petition signed, although I don't think it will make any difference to any of the wankers at Ubisoft!

[darby]

I don't want to have to be connected all the time. There are no advantages worth mentioning. I hate when Internet is down and can't play a single player game.
I heard all the other complaints about other stuff and it was all stuff I could live with. I thought I would buy the game no matter what but making an offline game require internet sucks. I have cheap internet. I don't like to leave it on all the time either. And it does go down. Some people around here can't even get anything but expensive cell phone connection. The phone lines are too old for dsl. So now we CAN'T play the game even if we wanted too. How many of us play on multiple computers anyway. I wanted this game for so bad for so long but now I will hold off. This constant internet thing is silly and stupid. Damn dumb execs.

[Gorduz]

signed

[3Dfr34k2009]

I signed already against the most stupid idea for copyright protection ever.And I hope what the Ubi monkeys recognize their big mistake. So I am still praying hard (Das DRM joke) to see SH5 without this Draconian system.

I hope you enjoy with this image which reflect my opinion about the Ubi-suits.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7907/ubidumb.jpg

http://img202.imageshack.us/i/ubidumb.jpg/

[jwilliams]

I signed already against the most stupid idea for copyright protection ever.And I hope what the Ubi monkeys recognize their big mistake. So I am still praying hard (Das DRM joke) to see SH5 without this Draconian system.

I hope you enjoy with this image which reflect my opinion about the Ubi-suits.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7907/ubidumb.jpg

http://img202.imageshack.us/i/ubidumb.jpg/


ROFLMAO
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