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Von Taticus

01-26-10, 01:07 PM

As it seems that a permanment online connection is required to play SH5 will it affect your decision to buy (sorry lease)?

Kapitanleutnant

01-26-10, 01:09 PM

Ubi lost me with the 1943 and Type VII-only decisions. But if I had been planning to buy it this would have made me change my mind. I'll quite happily use online authentication such as Steam, but this is a different kettle of fish.

GoldenRivet

01-26-10, 01:12 PM

I dont know.

My concern is losing internet connection. it doesnt happen to me that often, my internet is connected almost continuously, however, i know that the minute im stalking up on some fat task force at 2:00am my connection will go dead and i'll be without a game.

The few times i have been without connection, the connection issues have lasted a few days. that would drive me insane!

I also dont like the idea of being forced to save my game on their server?

whats wrong with local save games???

Letum

01-26-10, 01:13 PM

This will be the second time I have forfeited a game I am passionate
about because the DRM system won't let me own the game after I have
paid for it.

It breaks my heart.

Kapitanleutnant

01-26-10, 01:13 PM

Save games being stored on Ubi servers means you can forget using programs like SH3Gen.

Sgtmonkeynads

01-26-10, 01:19 PM

Well, that's strike three for me. I'm out unless they say something different now. It was hard enough to get saved games to work in 3 and 4 , now throw in the fact that we may have to rely on them to ensure they are there when we need them? I don't buy games that require you to log in to play.

Thomen

01-26-10, 01:20 PM

Chose this:
Wait for UBI to remove the online DRMand when it hits the bargain bin.

This together with the "only one U-boat and 1943 ending" moved SHV to the end of my wish list.
:nope:

Halbe Spiele kaufe ich nur zum halben Preis.
:up:

TDK1044

01-26-10, 01:23 PM

Spending $49 on a game that I knew would be buggy at release and then spend 9 months patching it was something I was prepared to do in order to continue to support the franchise. But adding online DRM and having to connect to Ubisoft's servers, which are about as welcoming as a fart in a space suit, is the end of the line for me.

There comes a point where the Publisher just doesn't deserve the support any more. I'm there.

goldorak

01-26-10, 01:23 PM

I'll wait, just as I did with SH 3. 2 years down the road Ubisoft eliminated the DRM and I bought the budget edition for 10 € (including printed manual and map !!!). I have the patience to wait for a DRM free SH 5.
And if Ubisoft never releases a DRM free version, no big loss. I just won't BUY the game.

MaciejK

01-26-10, 01:24 PM

Isn't it incredible that with every news item bout the game it is looking worse and worse...

Task Force

01-26-10, 01:25 PM

I wish The SH devs would find a publisher that actualy does war games... not kiddy FPS games...:shifty:

I voted that I will buy it if UBI decided to ditch the DRM...

Webster

01-26-10, 01:30 PM

there are plenty of older games that i can play, and when games stop selling they WILL get the message that only customers making mommy and daddy buy them will still buy their games.

anti-piracy is important but i dont care if this stuff stops Osama Bin Laden himself, i still will never "rent" any video game

i have no issue with a check in online authorization because that can be maintained with some little automatic check program after the game company no longer wants to support the game but this setup they are talking about is just stupid.

why waste my time at all, if thats what they want then forget the disk altogether and i can save on HDD space too.

if i want to play sh5 i'll log on with my credit card and buy one game play like the video arcade machines then play till i die and run my credit card through for another game.

thats 1000% pirate proof and i dont have to patch the game i DO NOT OWN

i will watch and hope the drm is removed one day and then i might take a look in the bargin bin for sh5 but i doubt there will the kind of mod support for it that we are used to.

MaciejK

01-26-10, 01:30 PM

I'll wait and see ;) Maybe this "see" will last till the Ubizoo decides to release a full game without this stupid DRM cr*p.

Just read some comments bout SH5 collectors ed at polish game store webside... it really seems that casual console fanboys gonna get this game. Coz it l"ooks cool".

GreyOctober

01-26-10, 01:32 PM

I wish The SH devs would find a publisher that actualy does war games... not kiddy FPS games...:shifty:

I voted that I will buy it if UBI decided to ditch the DRM...

Ubisoft is both developer and publisher of SH5

Task Force

01-26-10, 01:35 PM

Hmm... yea, when I posted that I forgot the devs worked for UBI...

Now we need to come up with something like with ea... Evil Arts...:rotfl2:

now what could UBI stand for... lol

Webster

01-26-10, 01:36 PM

now what could UBI stand for... lol

U - utterly

B - beyond

I - insanity

to do this

Sgtmonkeynads

01-26-10, 01:42 PM

Isn't it incredible that with every news item bout the game it is looking worse and worse...

Maybe that is why it was all quiet on their front for so long ?
If I was them, I would be here fighting tooth and nail in order to squash the rumors of all things bad.
The absence of any word on so many subjects before makes me think that they are trying to figure out how far they can go and how much ( or how little ) they could get away with before they had to announce a delayed release. Then they will blame the delay on the outcry of loyal fans about DRM.
In time the game is released with all missing features and years, so they will not have to admit to originally wanting to release an unfinished game.

Navarre

01-26-10, 01:47 PM

Ubisoft is both developer and publisher of SH5
Right and the developers have only two choices, either do what the company claims for or losing their jobs, the latter in nowadays times not very pleasant and certainly not in Eastern Europe.

Kapitanleutnant

01-26-10, 01:47 PM

before they had to announce a delayed release.

I think the incredibly short development timetable shows Ubi are determined to get this thing out the door before the end of the financial year. Why? I don't know, it's just a hunch.

Task Force

01-26-10, 01:51 PM

yes, but think of how many people who were going to buy the game will affect them...

I wonder... what is the estimant on the # of priated copys on sh3/4?

TDK1044

01-26-10, 01:54 PM

I have no problem with this because I want Ubisoft to make as much money as possible with SH5 so this franchise can continue. Subsims are a rare breed and if this helps stop the piracy of SH5 then so be it.

I used to feel that way...and then I discovered that Santa was *********g the Tooth Fairy. Also, this nonsense will have zero impact on piracy. :)

Lanzfeld

01-26-10, 01:54 PM

I have no problem with this because I want Ubisoft to make as much money as possible with SH5 so this franchise can continue. Subsims are a rare breed and if this helps stop the piracy of SH5 then so be it.

Why the hell would you pay into a system that just puts out more and more crap? Each one worse then the last! Geeezz....just send me your money. Let them go out of business. It will take time but someone else will come along and fill the nich...maybe do it better!

Tomp

01-26-10, 01:56 PM

I have no problem with Steam. In fact, if I had to buy a downloadable game, I'd rather have Steam than some of the other download purchased games I've owned. Most require you to email or call their company to get the license renewed whenever you rebuild or buy a new system. Steam is pretty simple and works well in that regard.

My biggest gripe with Ubi has been the quality of the product at release! I wasn't exactly happy to find that SH3 crashed as often as it did at release. In fact, many had problems just getting it installed! SH4 was little better. And with the problems UBI had with Starforce, they should have rejected the scheme before even releasing it. If they didn't know it would cause so many problems they must not have tested it enough!

Anyway, I think I'll wait to hear the gripes before getting in this time. Let's see if they learned their lesson.

Tom P.

MaciejK

01-26-10, 01:59 PM

I have no problem with this because I want Ubisoft to make as much money as possible with SH5 so this franchise can continue. Subsims are a rare breed and if this helps stop the piracy of SH5 then so be it.

Do you work for Ubi?

Hmm...ok, so if we all rush to the stores and buy SH5 they will think sth like "look, they looove our new half-finished game. Let's release "Silent Hunter 6 - The Battle of Pearl Harbor". Let's give the players one midget submarine with one torpedo and let them play on 7th of December 1941 ONLY!!! And later Silent Hunter 7 - Kriegsmarine U-Boot Deck Gun Trainer"

Dowly

01-26-10, 01:59 PM

I have no problem with this because I want Ubisoft to make as much money as possible with SH5 so this franchise can continue. Subsims are a rare breed and if this helps stop the piracy of SH5 then so be it.

It's people like you who make these draconian DRM's possible (no offence meant).

And no, it wont stop piracy. I dont know how clear the signs have to be for the game developers to understand the simple fact that; If it's made by human, it can be cracked by another. Only DRM method I can quickly think that would work is to make all games run from a server, nothing is installed to the players computer except shortcut that connects the player to a server and starts sending data to the player somehow so that it doesnt store it anywhere on the players PC. But I dont see something like that coming anytime soon. :haha:

EDIT: Ow yeh, and yes this will affect my purchase. Not going to get it until there's a DRM free version.

SteamWake

01-26-10, 02:00 PM

What does Steam have to do with this?

MaciejK

01-26-10, 02:02 PM

I know a good way of limiting piracy - release well polished games with good manuals not avaliable as PDF plus eventually some serial numbers etc or words from certain pages of manual to be entered before the game. Like the old days. Like 688 Attack Sub. Good game, great manual, great lot of info on subs.

Kapitanleutnant

01-26-10, 02:03 PM

What does Steam have to do with this?

Not much, but Steam is an example of a good, unintrusive online authentication service.

Dowly

01-26-10, 02:04 PM

Not much, but Steam is an example of a good, unintrusive online authentication service.

Oh dear... *waits for Steamwake's ranting post*

(atleast I think it was Steamwake who wasnt that fond of Steam. :hmmm::O:)

Sgtmonkeynads

01-26-10, 02:09 PM

I had a game called Gunboat, a long time ago. At the beginning of each mission, you had to enter the base. In order to do so you had to give the days password in form of an answer to a question, and had to use a wheel cypher to figure it out. I just thought of how it was really an anti pirate device the other day. This is from a game 15 years old, why not do the same thing now? I'd be cheaper, since that is what it's all about now isn't it?

Carotio

01-26-10, 02:11 PM

I have no problem with this because I want Ubisoft to make as much money as possible with SH5 so this franchise can continue. Subsims are a rare breed and if this helps stop the piracy of SH5 then so be it.

You're WAY to positive to be just a subsim fan. Are you sure, "The General" does not just cover a manager position in the Ubisoft coorporation? Meaning you just have to try and pursuade anybody to buy it, plus asking somewhere else for having negative comments removed...:hmmm: Just wondering. Otherwise, I must say you have a patience beyond normal behaviour to accept all the crazy ideas which have been revealed lately.

Anyway, as I see it now: No complete uboat types avavilable, no complete war available, and enforced online play, all of this makes it a no-go for me. I may buy it, if released as planned, when it's at give away prices like 5 € / 50 DKK. And even then, I'll check for player reviews first, and maybe any mods, if there even will be any...

tonschk

01-26-10, 02:11 PM

Sgtmonkeynads

01-26-10, 02:23 PM

Could have done that in SH5, in game messages coded with enigma, and the codes in the paper manual :woot:

:D Hell yeah! Didn't think of that !

It would take all of the Kings Men,and ULTRA to pirate it then!:haha:

Onkel Neal

01-26-10, 02:24 PM

Oh dear... *waits for Steamwake's ranting post*

(atleast I think it was Steamwake who wasnt that fond of Steam. :hmmm::O:)

There's always someone who's not fond of something :D

Dowly

01-26-10, 02:25 PM

There was the same thing in Prince of Persia, you arrived in a room with a lot of potions. Only some would give you extra life or open the door, the rest were poison. Depending on which room you had to open the manual at a certain page and go to a certain line to find out which potions to pick up.

Could have done that in SH5, in game messages coded with enigma, and the codes in the paper manual :woot:

Every code and deciphering sheet would need to be different on all copies of the game or pirated version would just come with instructions on what and where to input to continue playing. :hmmm:

Onkel Neal

01-26-10, 02:27 PM

I want Ubisoft to make as much money as possible with SH5 so this franchise can continue. Subsims are a rare breed

We agree here, but I feel strongly that Ubisoft must put out a quality product, or least demonstrate considerable effort during development (SH2) and after release support (SH4).

mookiemookie

01-26-10, 02:31 PM

I'm still going to buy it, but the minute their stupid DRM scheme causes me any problems, I'll shelve the game and swear off the series.

razark

01-26-10, 02:31 PM

Could have done that in SH5, in game messages coded with enigma, and the codes in the paper manual

I've seen this quite a lot in older games. Open manual to page X, Yth word in paragraph Z? Page Q, the number matching this number is? These are easily defeated by a piece of technology known as the Xerox machine (eh, these days, the scanner). It's just not effective, and the publishers know it.

Not that anything is really effective at stopping a determined pirate. These schemes may slow them down, but they'll get around them. All it does is annoy people who try to legally play the game.

TDK1044

01-26-10, 02:34 PM

I'm still going to buy it, but the minute their stupid DRM scheme causes me any problems, I'll shelve the game and swear off the series.

But then you've paid them $50 for no return, Mookie. Wait and see if there comes a time when you can play the game without online DRM and then buy it. :)

elanaiba

01-26-10, 02:35 PM

It was awesome :)

ParaB

01-26-10, 02:43 PM

I've cancelled my preorder and won't buy any other UBI product with this kind of DRM.

danurve

01-26-10, 02:59 PM

I still think the DRM rumors haven't proven true. Something is amiss here.

Can understand to validate the game on-line durring installation. To verify - register of course. Online for multi-player sure - my son plays the latest COD with teams all the time for christs sake. But nobody saves those games. MontiCristo's new CitiesXL has a community 'planet' service as an option, but also a solo version.
To insist a game must have internet access for saves and general solo play is a form of tyranny. And I would absolutly refuse to purchase any title, from any company under those condidtions.
I can be a stubborn ******* but also a dedicated subsimer just like the next guy here. This DRM, that type of control over my purchases, my time, and my files is out of the question, and completely unacceptable under any circumstances no matter what the title.

Brag

01-26-10, 03:04 PM

As most people know, I am a big UBI supporter.

But, I'm not buying no DRM hobbled stuff.

UBI should note; When I lived in the DC area, the internet was down for some time almost every day.

I have no problem with registering the product or buying a download version, :shifty:

Alex

01-26-10, 03:09 PM

What's that bloody DRM thingie
*browsing google*

ROFL.

ParaB

01-26-10, 03:09 PM

I still think the DRM rumors haven't proven true.

What more proof do you need than the Director of Customer Service and Production Planning at Ubisoft and an official UBISoft community manager?

From the Gamespy article I linked to earlier in this thread:

"Your saves will be stored remotely on Ubi servers"

Iron Budokan

01-26-10, 03:10 PM

Even though I am inclined not to purchase the game because of the other oft-repeated problems, at least I was willing to buy it eventually if some of those concerns were addressed. I won't buy the game at all until this silly stuff is dropped.

Not that UBI cares. I understand that. :cry:

Carotio

01-26-10, 03:13 PM

Well, if Microsoft can manage to make a 30 days evaluation period, before Windows has to be activated, why is it then so difficult for Ubisoft to make something similar?

Then the customer would have to have a one-time internet access within 30 days, and then he could henceforth play the game as much as he likes without connection.

It may very well be that most of us have an internet connection on while playing, but do we use it at the same time? I don't think so. And multiplayer, how popular was/is that really? Some do it, but the majority?

Letum

01-26-10, 03:13 PM

When Neal does his review (After the game is released if Ubi keep up
their boycott of Subsim!), I hope the review is carried out on a PC that
isn't connected to the internet.

kapitan_zur_see

01-26-10, 03:19 PM

the whole news released these past days and the predictable devastating responses they were bond to earn from the community makes me think they're a bunch of BDSM lovers at UBI... http://www.smilchat.net/smileys/mechants/sadomaso.gif

:03:

Brag

01-26-10, 03:23 PM

Here is Wikipedia's article on DRM

Digital rights management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management)

Sgtmonkeynads

01-26-10, 03:24 PM

I hear they like to go around and just kick random people.
http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/nutkick.gif

Kapitanleutnant

01-26-10, 03:25 PM

you know you're all gonna buy our products.
Oh so you are a Ubisoft shill after all!
The way you defend them I think they could sell you **** in a box and you'd eat it up and ask for seconds.

dcb

01-26-10, 03:25 PM

I'll wait until DRM is removed, no matter if it takes a year or more (or never).
My initial impatience faded away with the 1943 and Type VII flops, and this latest news about saves on UBI servers just was the last straw. Welcome back SH3 & GWX!

Letum

01-26-10, 03:31 PM

You will buy or products and you will love our products. We will continue productivity.

Waddya know!
A proper Ubisoft shill after all.

That's low. :nope:

bigboywooly

01-26-10, 03:33 PM

Hmmmm gets worse and worse
The VII only and a 43 finish were enough to lessen my interest in release but still pre order
DRM has reduced interest to zero
Pre order cancelled

:lost:

Sgtmonkeynads

01-26-10, 03:33 PM

You will buy or products, you will love our products and we can continue productivity.

Jedi Mind Trick ?

MercurySeven

01-26-10, 03:35 PM

Just had to cancel my preorder. :wah:

I agree that online registration and such are much better then starfish and similar ransomware but with my current internet connection I simply cannot guarantee to stay online THE WHOLE TIME without small periods of downtime. I simply cannot see how I should EVER reach British waters when UBI shuts me down once I leave Wilhelmshafen and my connection is resetting.

I seriously hope they drop the "online at all times" part fast. Once they do that I'm back on board and will happily buy the game. Hell, I even had plans on modding parts of it myself! But until then ... :cry:

bigboywooly

01-26-10, 03:38 PM

Here is Wikipedia's article on DRM

Digital rights management - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management)

Interesting from that article

In mid-2008, the publication of Mass Effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect) marked the start of a wave of titles primarily making use of SecuROM and Steam for DRM and requiring authentication via an online server. The use of DRM scheme in 2008's Spore backfired and there were considerable protest, resuming in a considerable number of users seeking a pirated version instead. This backlash against SecuROM was a significant factor in Spore becoming the most pirated game in 2008

:rotfl2:

The General

01-26-10, 03:47 PM

This website is helping Ubisoft build a brighter future and we would like to take this opportunity to thank you all for your continuing support in 2010 :yeah:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160798

Dowly

01-26-10, 03:48 PM

Oh go suck a nugget, General.

Kapitanleutnant

01-26-10, 03:49 PM

Gilbou

01-26-10, 03:51 PM

I will not buy it until there's a patch that removes DRM.
And if SH5 is a sale's disaster and ends the Silent Hunter series I don't care. I got SH3 for Uboats, SH4 for US side. Future machines will let us run XP inside other operating systems so I have all that I need to have fun.

Ubisoft you can suck my Razer Mouse.

COWBOY10

01-26-10, 03:51 PM

Well Its with a very heavy heart, That I have to say, I have also cancelled my Pre Order. I know that im only kicking myself, But as I dont use my Gaming PC online, Im Sunk.

Back to SH3 and GWX

tracker

01-26-10, 03:51 PM

My internet conection is very poor I get disconected often somtimes for days so I canot see me buying it.
I have enjoyed playing sh3 and sh4 even got a newer pc for it instead of a ps3 to my grand kids dismay as there is no simulation games on the ps3 .
Hope to keep playing and enjoy subsim forum for years to come.:salute::salute::salute::salute:

Brag

01-26-10, 03:53 PM

Hey, BBW! Long time no see. :D

Right, this will encourage piracy. Buy if from some skunk, but save hassles.

UBI should study the Law of Unintended Results.

MaciejK

01-26-10, 03:56 PM

You will buy or products, you will love our products and we can continue productivity.

Don't you think he is damn spooky?

I've heard the Borg use to talk in similar manner. Sth bout resistance being futile or so....

bigboywooly

01-26-10, 03:56 PM

Picked a fine time to return I guess Brag
:damn:

Sgtmonkeynads

01-26-10, 04:16 PM

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/ban.gifhttp://www.runemasterstudios.com/graemlins/images/loser.gif

badkarma

01-26-10, 04:20 PM

Only DRM method I can quickly think that would work is to make all games run from a server, nothing is installed to the players computer except shortcut that connects the player to a server and starts sending data to the player somehow so that it doesnt store it anywhere on the players PC. But I dont see something like that coming anytime soon. :haha:

Is this year considered soon?

http://gizmodo.com/5183416/onlive-demos-streaming-games-yes-thats-crysis-on-integrated-graphics

IanC

01-26-10, 04:42 PM

Forced to go online to play a game that you bought... :down: Fail

Brag

01-26-10, 04:51 PM

:damn::damn::damn:

How does UBI manage to do this?

To turn me from stallward defender of the SH franchise and development of SH5, to join the ranks of unwashed protesters?

It's easy. Just make the game user unfriendly. Ruin my plans for having the game installed on a dedicated computer which seldom goes online to pick up garbage and viruses.

I can see of going through the hassle of registering once, but not every bloody day.

This encourages me to do the unspeakable in this forum. UBI is shooting itself in the foot.

I can always go back to my happy times with SH3 and GWX :salute:

V.C. Sniper

01-26-10, 05:15 PM

no difference

SteveW1

01-26-10, 05:17 PM

I think i'll just stick with SH3 and GWX:nope:

Gilbou

01-26-10, 05:20 PM

urfisch

01-26-10, 05:20 PM

no need in answering this...its answered already.

:salute:

Gilbou

01-26-10, 05:25 PM

Save games being stored on Ubi servers means you can forget using programs like SH3Gen.

In the interview they said the game would be more open... And that we would even have surprises. I was hoping for a nice sub where I could move anywhere inside + mods that would greatly increase the interior's quality.

Why do editors keep ruining every game franchise I have loved for years ? This adds to the too long list of franchises I gave up on :nope:

Wreford-Brown

01-26-10, 05:32 PM

This is the nail in the coffin for my purchase of SHV. I wasn't too happy about some of their other decisons, and even the dynamic campaign had some potential flaws (how much would the actions of one VII really effect the course of the entire war?).

They'll probably end up getting my £10 from the bargain bins a few years down the line, but they've got no chance of a full price purchase.

Of interest is the voting - 139 votes and only 25 say they'll buy the game anyway. Ubi appear to have lost 82% of their potential customers from a submarine simulation website. I hope their marketing guys have got a load of new customers lined up...

HundertzehnGustav

01-26-10, 05:45 PM

Lets go back and rock the SHIII Mods forum!:yeah:

urfisch

01-26-10, 05:47 PM

in the german ubi-forum also seems to roll a wave of popular outraging through the members lines. as a german ubi moderator stated, the game needs a "CONSTANT CONNECTION" to the ubi servers, as the save games are located there.

lol...nothing more to add on this fopard...

HundertzehnGustav

01-26-10, 05:48 PM

I hope their marketing guys have got a load of new customers lined up...

that is the question... WHO leases subgames anywhere? and i mean Lerase, cause with no connection, you do not even have the right to play.
Lets see if i cannot get my Gov't to take a look at this situation we are facing.
Might be possible to ban the product to be leased in my country. Have to speak to a lawyer first thing in the Mornin.

They try to shaft me? I will do my best to make them lose their Business.

Wreford-Brown

01-26-10, 05:53 PM

Lets go back and rock the SHIII Mods forum!:yeah:

I'm with you. SH3 has got loads of life left in it and I haven't even started looking at SH4 yet. I feel another beta coming on...

Goodbye, SH5 :yawn:

Adriatico

01-26-10, 06:25 PM

I am shocked...
If Ubi could make me - as a subsimulation maniack not to buy... than who would buy it ?
:nope::down::nope:

piri_reis

01-26-10, 07:00 PM

Oh man this is completely wacked, screw this new online scheme :down:

Reece

01-26-10, 07:07 PM

I voted for option 3,:down:
Maybe after a few years a version will come out with DRM removed, I may purchase a copy then!:yep:
No point posting comments here anymore, will just check status of DRM/Patch situation from time to time!!

onelifecrisis

01-26-10, 07:21 PM

I can't say it makes that much difference to me. In my experience internet connections have for some years now been more reliable than CDs or DVDs, which tend to get damaged over time no matter how hard I try to take care of them. All my recent purchases have been on Steam and I like it that way, not least of all because I don't have to put up with any StarForce (or similar) crap.

Ubisoft's solution is not ideal, and if I lose a save game I will be pretty fooked off for sure, but if people who buy the game say that it's all working fine then I'll go ahead and buy it.

Greyghost

01-26-10, 07:23 PM

Isn't it incredible that with every news item bout the game it is looking worse and worse...

These are my thoughts exactly. I was so excited when I saw they were doing another U-boat sim and then with the screens and trailors it looked fantastic. Then the news of only the Type VII, I can live with that. Then the war ends for you in '43, hmm that is odd but still not a deal breaker for me. This last one I am logged on as soon as I turn my computer on but what if I lose internet which does happen time to time? Am I unable to play until it comes back? Like a previous poster said you buy the game but don't actually own it because unless you are online you can't play. That I find disturbing. Enthusiasm level for this one is dwindling more and more with each new update. :yawn:

XLjedi

01-26-10, 07:52 PM

This is very disappointing. I hate steam and all things like it...
I guess I'm gonna just have to shift my attention elsewhere.

I will NOT purchase SH5 until I hear the DRM is gone.

longam

01-26-10, 08:02 PM

I'll buy that for....

http://poseidon.stopdroplol.com/content/16430/resized/1263369322656.jpg?1263372669

Onkel Neal

01-26-10, 08:22 PM

When Neal does his review (After the game is released if Ubi keep up
their boycott of Subsim!), I hope the review is carried out on a PC that
isn't connected to the internet.

:O: You're bad.

Adriatico

01-26-10, 08:30 PM

So it is currently 84% - no SHV Thanks... Congratulations Ubi marketing!

Could you imagine the reaction of wide gaming community, if this is Subsim pole?

joe313

01-26-10, 08:31 PM

UBI SH6 will be called world of subcraft monthy fee is required tons of DLC too

Platapus

01-26-10, 08:42 PM

Instead of DRM, UBI could include coded messages. One per month and we would need an enigma to decode them

http://www.cryptomuseum.com/crypto/enigma/#26

Security+ immersion= good copy protection. :D

Highbury

01-26-10, 08:58 PM

Still buying it, I have rarely bought a game in years that didn't need the net in some way.

Hasn't killed small market games like ROF, won't hurt Ubi in the slightest.

There are alot of people here with thousands of posts in a year or two who claim they don't have a steady connection... yeah... uh huh

Letum

01-26-10, 09:00 PM

Hasn't killed small market games like ROF, won't hurt Ubi in the slightest.

Don't be so sure.
Remember what happened when music started to be sold with strict DRM?

The buyers got pissed off and it was soon dropped (after a short period
of the industry going into denial).

Not that we can be complacent...

XLjedi

01-26-10, 09:01 PM

Task Force

01-26-10, 09:03 PM

yea, But I think flightsimming is a larger market than subsims.

TarJak

01-26-10, 09:05 PM

Do I get my money back if they corrupt my save games? I think not and therefore think not that I shall make a purchase of this until said DRM is removed.

Reece

01-26-10, 09:18 PM

Do I get my money back if they corrupt my save games? I think not and therefore think not that I shall make a purchase of this until said DRM is removed.Yeh the news just goes from bad to worse TJ!:nope:

Snestorm

01-26-10, 09:47 PM

Hope I did this right?
I voted "Not going to at all now" meaning, Ubisoft blew it, and I won't be buying SH5, no matter what they do.

Strike 1: Type VIIs only.
Strike 2: 33% of war missing.
Strike 3: Another protection system scam.

YOU'RE OUT, UBISOFT!
(No loss. SH5 was looking like less than ½ of SH3 anyway).

Ducimus

01-26-10, 10:18 PM

Will the DRM affect your Purchase?

No, it didn't affect my purchase of SH5. It only confrimed that there wasn't enough there to interest me. So now, i REALLY know im not going to buy it.

It did however affect any future purchases. I do not, knowingly, buy single player games that require a constant internet connection to play. The whole reason i play single player games is to get away from the god damn internet. Hence, i seriously doubt i will be buying any future ubisoft products. For me to consider anything by ubi now, it would have to be REALLY REALLY REALLY good.

Sgtmonkeynads

01-26-10, 10:47 PM

Yes it affected my purchase.
.........bought another copy of Das Boot instead, through subsim, so it's still win/win.

Tweety

01-26-10, 10:54 PM

No, it didn't affect my purchase of SH5. It only confrimed that there wasn't enough there to interest me. So now, i REALLY know im not going to buy it.

It did however affect any future purchases. I do not, knowingly, buy single player games that require a constant internet connection to play. The whole reason i play single player games is to get away from the god damn internet. Hence, i seriously doubt i will be buying any future ubisoft products. For me to consider anything by ubi now, it would have to be REALLY REALLY REALLY good.

I agree with Ducimus.

I have never played any game on the internet and I am not going to start now.

THE_MASK

01-26-10, 11:36 PM

I dont think i will buy SH5 .

Reece

01-26-10, 11:43 PM

I dont think i will buy SH5 .Sorry to say this but you will have to edit your signature!:cry:

THE_MASK

01-26-10, 11:50 PM

Sorry to say this but you will have to edit your signature!:cry:Done .

John W. Hamm

01-27-10, 02:04 AM

Forget it I killed my pre-order!!! maybe look at it again once they get rid of the DRM. for now back to RFB 2.0!!

karamazovnew

01-27-10, 02:10 AM

Edited for fear of brig time :D

I voted for "Not going to at all now". I can't play the game on my laptop without a permanent internet connection, so no dice.

kvbrock82

01-27-10, 07:27 AM

This sucks. I spend half my time in a hotel in Rome that charges EUR10.00 per hour of internet. Its only fair that Im allowed to use the game i paid money for when i want to, and not need permission. Ubisoft used to be my favourite for games, but over these past 2 years they're probably my last. There will never, ever be another pre-order from this company on my part.

:nope:.

TH0R

01-27-10, 07:35 AM

Galanti

01-27-10, 07:37 AM

TH0R

01-27-10, 07:43 AM

You may be conected 24/7 to the Internet, but that doesn't necessarily mean a stable 24/7 connection to the Ubi servers.

Can't argue with that. Whatever happens, I will do like I did with previous 2 titles - wait and read the reports before even considering to purchase it.

But I can tell you what I certainly won't do - loose nerves and patience over something that hasn't been released yet and I don't know how it will in practice work. And this is something that 90% of this forum population is doing.

tonschk

01-27-10, 07:54 AM

Makes no difference to me. I never played anything else than Type VII and till mid '43 so the decision isn't that much bothering me.

About DRM - hell, I do not like the idea at all, but since I am 24/7 connected to the Internet the only deciding factor will be the quality and modding possibilities of the game itself. Then comes in the next factor - money for the new PC on which to run it...

:up: I Agree :DL I voted "Makes no difference to me" :yeah:The Silent Hunter SH3/4 game is the ONLY one game I play ( the first person shooters games are silly/boring and Colin Mc Rae DIRT soon become boring) and I have excellent and permanent internet connection , UBISOFT is the owner/developer of this software/game ,unfortunately we dont have plenty of other submarine simulations to choose from , http://1.2.3.11/bmi/forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif therefore without a doubt I will buy this SH5 game http://1.2.3.11/bmi/forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

.

Galanti

01-27-10, 07:55 AM

Can't argue with that. Whatever happens, I will do like I did with previous 2 titles - wait and read the reports before even considering to purchase it.

But I can tell you what I certainly won't do - loose nerves and patience over something that hasn't been released yet and I don't know how it will in practice work. And this is something that 90% of this forum population is doing.

Well, I can't argue with that either. It does sound overly draconian, and you'd think Ubi would have taken some lessons away from DRM fiascos with other companies, so we'll see.

KL-alfman

01-27-10, 10:15 AM

SH5 will have to wait to be purchased till I can play it off-line. don't like anyone to force me being on-line all the time. ridiculous!

but I hope the subsim-community will not be affected by UBI's policy.
(just ordered SH3 - again - and SH4 to support the board)

Sailor Steve

01-27-10, 10:27 AM

I voted "Makes no difference to me", because I already promised I would buy it even though I won't start the war in a Type VII. That said, I don't have an internet connection so I guess I won't be playing it at all.

Iron Budokan

01-27-10, 10:50 AM

Makes no difference to me. I never played anything else than Type VII and till mid '43 so the decision isn't that much bothering me.

Being connected to the Internet isn't the problem. It's depending on UBI servers. UBI isn't Blizzard. Not by a long shot. And even then Blizzard takes their servers down for a few hours every Tuesday for weekly maintenance. And sometimes they have to do emergency maintenance on top of that, which means the servers are down and you can't play.

Has UBI even bothered to tell us what the scheduled maintenance hours for their servers are when we won't be able to play the game? Of course, they haven't. And the game is due to come out in March, iirc.

No. Being connected to the Internet isn't the problem. Trusting UBI, particularly after the muddled way they've launched this new title, IS the problem.

I trust Blizzard when I play World of Warcraft. They have a demonstrable track record. UBI has to prove to me they are just as good. :03:

Iron Budokan

01-27-10, 10:52 AM

You may be conected 24/7 to the Internet, but that doesn't necessarily mean a stable 24/7 connection to the Ubi servers.

This. Exactly this.

Look at the ham-fisted way they're releasing the game. And now UBI expects me to trust their servers? Please. I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday. Two week ago, maybe. But not yesterday. :O:

Sailor Steve

01-27-10, 11:08 AM

After voting and posting here I went and read the entire 'DRM' thread. After reading the stories from people who spend time where there is no internet at all, and then reading this:

It's funny that some people I have seen in this thread being not bothered with this kind of DRM are americans. The sons of the land of freedom are now ready to provide real time info to a foreign commercial company about their gameplay habits, their saves, the names they choose, wether they machine gun survivors from sunken ships, etc.

I think most of you still do not realize that this is not just about your confort while playing the game, about chances of getting an internet failiure and losing progress, about the chances that UBI goes bankrupt and you lose your game, about UBI requesting money for patches and the server not allwoing you to play an unpatched version, or anything like that.

It's about OUR PRIVACY

And that is something that I value more than any game present or future.

How sad I feel about this all :wah:

I've changed my mind. I won't be paying for a game I can't play at all. Wish I could change my vote as well.

Hitman

01-27-10, 11:14 AM

Counting the votes of those who will not get it with this DRM by 5:12 PM GMT+1 time, and with a rough 50 USD per game

UBI has already lost 10.350 USD just in this thread :nope:

Orion Shadow

01-27-10, 11:23 AM

During 2 deployments to Iraq my buddies and I played SH3 and SH4 multi during the free time we had. Never had to connect to the internet, which most of the times if it was up and running was slower than dial-up speeds. So I'm going with the if internet is required I will start looking at other games to spend money on.

Letum

01-27-10, 11:50 AM

KL-alfman

01-27-10, 11:58 AM

Counting the votes of those who will not get it with this DRM by 5:12 PM GMT+1 time, and with a rough 50 USD per game

UBI has already lost 10.350 USD just in this thread :nope:

what I can tell from german boards (even the official UBI-board) 9 out of 10 are upset and angry about the "permanently being on-line"-issue and refer to the Subsim-poll as well
one member here tells the same about the spanish community. can't imagine UBI will ignore all of this .....

karamazovnew

01-27-10, 12:03 PM

what I can tell from german boards (even the official UBI-board) 9 out of 10 are upset and angry about the "permanently being on-line"-issue and refer to the Subsim-poll as well
one member here tells the same about the spanish community. can't imagine UBI will ignore all of this .....

Maybe it's all a trick.... Maybe they actually planned to release it without the DRM but now they want to scare us with this. In this way, we won't petition about VII's only and 43 campaign, we'll complain about the DRM. They'll eventually say: "Considering a few suggestions from the community, we decided to ship SH% without the DRM". We'll be all so thrilled that we won't stop smiling even when the game crashes on us. :haha:

irish1958

01-27-10, 12:10 PM

KL-alfman

01-27-10, 12:21 PM

Maybe it's all a trick.... Maybe they actually planned to release it without the DRM but now they want to scare us with this. In this way, we won't petition about VII's only and 43 campaign, we'll complain about the DRM. They'll eventually say: "Considering a few suggestions from the community, we decided to ship SH% without the DRM". We'll be all so thrilled that we won't stop smiling even when the game crashes on us. :haha:

remarkable point of view! :D

but I doubt that UBI is that double-tongued .....

Brag

01-27-10, 01:16 PM

Dear readers

As you have probably guessed, the adventues of J.S. Balz were leading toward his joining the Kriegsmarine and going into action on SH5.

Since UBI announced SH5 will be a DRM controlled game, I am not buying it.

Therefore there won't be SH5 adventures for BALZ. So, I have decided to suspend the BALZ stories until I probably rejoin the fray on SH3 with GWX.

Sorry about this,

Brag

Scotty

01-27-10, 01:18 PM

Have not been on here for months.. darn figured I'd check on the status of SH5 !!
Lord, no way is heck will I buy this.. I don't like having to be online to play a sim/game -- kind of like renting a game... If my internet connection fails, or I want to cancel my connection and wait a few months to find another DSL or Cable provider to get online.. I can't play the game.. NO WAY!!

Whne I BUY a game, it's mine! I'm not dishing out $50 and a few yrs later the SH5 servers go down after going out of business, and I'm left with a broken game..
I'm getting sick of game developers acusing and punishing me and the rest of us as being thieves! Get over it or get out of business! I say to them.

For 30-40 years people have been pirating songs off the radeo stations, EVERYONE my age I know of has recorded songs off a radio station on a cassette player back in the day.. the music artists didn't throw a baby tantrum about it.. they took a loss, but still made profits galore!
Now a days the software people whine and cry over any dime they can't get there hands on.. it's pathetic.

This is not a post to say it's ok to pirate a game.. it's not! I'll make that clear!!!!!!!!

but to put it into perspective, to punish EVERYONE for a few thieves is going to drive the honnest people away.. the 99% of us who buy the game, you software companies are now driving away!

As a matter of fact it's the software people who are stealing, when you buy a game that requires internet connection to play, and a year later they go under chap 7 (no more site to login), you are left with NOTHING, and they still have your $50 -- who would be the thief here!!
Oh wait, I'm sorry, they would mail us all our $50 back to us.. YEAH!

I don't like the idea of stopping at 1943 or a type 7 only, as the late war is a challenge to stay alive , and other uboats are part of history too --

But even with only going to 1943, still lots of missions, and only a type VII, it's still the best uboat -- I would have still bought it when it hit $20... As with the new graphics, 1st person inside a uboat, it would still be fun, just differnt than SH3-4.... But with DRM.. not even $5 Buddy!!

One thing for sire, it makes us appreciate SH3 and SH4 much more now.

TH0R

01-27-10, 02:03 PM

You may be doing all the modeling of the game yourself. No access to saved game files, continuous internet connection needed. If I make a major change in my game files, will the server let me play? Testing will be a disaster.
I am going back to SH3 and work on my medic mod.

Saved games will be saved on the owner's PC and the server, or so they say...

Thomen

01-27-10, 02:09 PM

Saved games will be saved on the owner's PC and the server, or so they say...

So they say.. but which one will take precedence? Can you choose which (server or local) to load? If one gets corrupted, do the other automatically goes down the drain too or do they have a fail safe in their "Service" that that prevents that from happening?
What if you modify your local save? Will that update the server stored aswell, or overwrite your local one with the server one because the server assumes it is corrupt?:hmmm:

frau kaleun

01-27-10, 02:14 PM

Will the DRM affect your Purchase?

Yeah, definitely.

My original feeling - after coming here in the wake (heh) of buying SH3 and finding out that there was a new SH uboat sim in the works - was that I would wait a couple weeks and see what the reviews were like, then buy it if it looked/sounded good and see how well it ran on my current setup.

If I didn't run all that well, I figured I'd be happy enough playing SH3 for the time being and then give 5 another go somewhere down the line when I'm ready to upgrade some hardware. And by then there'd probably be patches and mods available to make it even better and more stable.

Now, eh. If if does indeed *require* a constant connection to their server just to run a mission or career in single-player mode, then I'm not gonna bother. Maybe by the time I am ready to upgrade some hardware 2-3 years down the line, the DRM won't be an issue anymore like some have speculated. If so, I'd probably be able to get it for less $$ anyway just by waiting.

Hitman

01-27-10, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Hitman http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images_acpb/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1248188#post1248188)
Counting the votes of those who will not get it with this DRM by 5:12 PM GMT+1 time, and with a rough 50 USD per game

UBI has already lost 10.350 USD just in this thread :nope:

It's now 8:49 PM GMT+1, and UBI has lost already 12.100 USD

Go UBI go :rock:

You'll make it into the Guiness book of records for displeasing formerly loyal customers ... :shifty:

trenken

01-27-10, 03:14 PM

Voted makes no difference. I'm a big fan of DRM.

Nicolas

01-27-10, 03:15 PM

"Wait until the thing is removed"

I dont like at all steam, windows live games, etc. Online is for multi play, share, comunicate with the people or thing you want, connect to a server to play alone only to inform a company that you are a buyer... it feels intrusive.

KG_Jag

01-27-10, 03:19 PM

I won't consider buying it with this DRM or anything close to it.

If they remove it (or God forbid--release it without toxic DRM), I will look to the design and merits of the game to make a buy/no buy decision.

tater

01-27-10, 03:20 PM

Voted makes no difference. I'm a big fan of DRM.

I have no problem in principle with a DRM system of some kind.

A DRM that phones home continuously during play or locks my game up? Nope, showstopper.

A DRM that auto-updates, and thus ends any ability to mod the game? No problem if the game is historically accurate, etc, out of the box. Is that even remotely likely given the history of SH3 or SH4? LOL, no. So that means the auto-update is also a show-stopper.

trenken

01-27-10, 03:27 PM

A DRM that phones home continuously during play or locks my game up? Nope, showstopper.

Have you ever had that happen to you? I have 1600 hours logged into guild wars, and thats an MMO, far more intense than SH5. Around 200 logged on Fallout 3, a 100 or so on Spore, ive never had any problems with any of these games.

badkarma

01-27-10, 03:31 PM

Have you ever had that happen to you? I have 1600 hours logged into guild wars, and thats an MMO, far more intense than SH5. Around 200 logged on Fallout 3, a 100 or so on Spore, ive never had any problems with any of these games.

Last Thursday Ubi's server was down from 6pm to 9pm and so were all of it's online games.
I've posted this 2 or 3 times in threads you're smooching away in but you've yet to respond.
Can't think why? :hmmm:

LukeFF

01-27-10, 03:33 PM

An "always-online" requirement for SH5 means I won't be buying it.

Sailor Steve

01-27-10, 03:34 PM

Hitman, there's another one!:dead:

trenken

01-27-10, 03:38 PM

Last Thursday Ubi's server was down from 6pm to 9pm and so were all of it's online games.
I've posted this 2 or 3 times in threads you're smooching away in but you've yet to respond.
Can't think why? :hmmm:

I havent even see that, Im only going in 2 threads here. This one and 1 other DRM thread. I havent seen what you wrote.

So what you're saying is SH5 isnt even out yet, and you're assuming right now, before the game is even out, not even knowing if it will be on its own server, that the servers will go down? Okay...

badkarma

01-27-10, 03:44 PM

I havent even see that, Im only going in 2 threads here. This one and 1 other DRM thread. I havent seen what you wrote.

So what you're saying is SH5 isnt even out yet, and you're assuming right now, before the game is even out, not even knowing if it will be on its own server, that the servers will go down? Okay...

So your argument that server side game saves are awesome because hardware fails which you told me earlier, is perfectly acceptable.
However in your magical world where my hardware is gonna blow any minute, Ubi's (or anyone's) game servers are flawless and never go down.

You are so full of contrary **** it's hysterical.

And whether it's on it's own server or sharing one with a hundred other games is irrelevant. Hardware fails, software fails, nodes fail, routers fail.

You.... fail! :rock:

Galanti

01-27-10, 03:47 PM

Have you ever had that happen to you? I have 1600 hours logged into guild wars, and thats an MMO, far more intense than SH5. Around 200 logged on Fallout 3, a 100 or so on Spore, ive never had any problems with any of these games.

No one here gives a rat's arse about Guild Wars. The concern is that this DRM will kill the modding scene, which is indispensible given the history of this franchise.

Iron Budokan

01-27-10, 04:02 PM

No one here gives a rat's arse about Guild Wars. The concern is that this DRM will kill the modding scene, which is indispensible given the history of this franchise.

Bingo.

THE_MASK

01-27-10, 04:03 PM

I will not buy SH5 if i have to be connected while playing it . I will not buy SH5 if it includes auto patches or DLC at the expense of modders ability to mod the game .

guynoir

01-27-10, 04:08 PM

And whether it's on it's own server or sharing one with a hundred other games is irrelevant. Hardware fails, software fails, nodes fail, routers fail.

You.... fail! :rock:

Not just Ubisoft's hardware... ISPs' lines go down, too... My connection dies if there's even a hint of lightning, and it rains a lot here. AT&T tells me where I can stick it when I call them and complain.

Ubisoft's games are now only for people within the city limits apparently, too, since people out in the country have limited access to broadband.

At this point, trenken, it just sounds like you're trolling... either that, or you have a lack of empathy for others' situations.

tater

01-27-10, 04:37 PM

Have you ever had that happen to you? I have 1600 hours logged into guild wars, and thats an MMO, far more intense than SH5. Around 200 logged on Fallout 3, a 100 or so on Spore, ive never had any problems with any of these games.

I have played ww2ol since before release. I get CTHLed all the time. If I play for a few hours it's bound to happen,in fact. Luckily it doesn't matter, I'm just another grunt with a rifle (sometimes LMG).

Besides, a game you play ONLINE requires a connection. REQUIRES, you know, yo play online. For a single player game? No.

irish1958

01-27-10, 05:01 PM

No one here gives a rat's arse about Guild Wars. The concern is that this DRM will kill the modding scene, which is indispensible given the history of this franchise.
Exactly, or as Iron Budokan said so masterly "BINGO".

U56_Dragon

01-27-10, 05:02 PM

Well,
I knew it...not even interested now...sorry to say.
Just another UBI SNAFU on the way.

stabiz

01-27-10, 06:01 PM

Wow, commercial suicide. They just dont understand that stuff like this increases piracy.

longam

01-27-10, 06:06 PM

According to the poll they have lost or delayed approximately $13500.00 USD in sales by this decision. And thats just this thread :D

floundericiousWA

01-27-10, 06:31 PM

answering the poll/OP:

None of the above.

I was always on the fence about buying SH V when brand new (that's more my position on video games in general, given the number of dollars I've wasted getting it hot off the presses then seeing it for 1/3 five months later)

I am unmoved from that point of view. I want more data and details before I invest $50 or more in buying a game. I want to know how stable it is, how the DRM will work, how some of the other feature content will work, etc. I will be following closely and will decide after I have more information.

floundericiousWA

01-27-10, 06:35 PM

Isn't it incredible that with every news item bout the game it is looking worse and worse...

Maybe they're fighting an anti-hype battle...you know, lowering expectations so that when it's released and the first patch or two fixes the majority of remaining bugs, people will be pleasantly surprised?

It's a popular corporate mantra these days "always under-promise and over-deliver"

kapitan_zur_see

01-27-10, 06:48 PM

It's a popular corporate mantra these days "always under-promise and over-deliver"

Excuse me sir but you're a lucky one if so... what I rather tend to experience is "always not promise or elude some promises and under-deliver"
That would rather be the popular corporate mantra for me these days

JohnnyBlaze

01-27-10, 07:49 PM

So any new mods coming up for SH3? :hmmm: GWX4? :yeah:

Wont buy it until DRM removed

rsvette12

01-27-10, 08:27 PM

If its like that Rise of flight crap, start it up wait forever - make a change to something shut down restart again wait some more, what a waste of money, if this is what we have to look forward to I'm all set on sh5 not buying such a shame. :down:

Rich

longam

01-27-10, 08:34 PM

Were up to $14050.00 USD

Méo

01-27-10, 08:36 PM

Snestorm

01-27-10, 08:44 PM

You wrote what??? maybe 100 posts of this kind...

I think we all know what is your opinion about SH5.

No need to add more.

No. This is the new version.
In past versions I still had a-little hope that the release of SH5 would be improved.
Now I simply don't care if it's improved or not. Big difference.

Who appointed you to head up subsim's posting police?

Méo

01-27-10, 08:57 PM

Who appointed you to head up subsim's posting police?

Read carefully: I said ''no need to add more'' and not ''stop doing this''. Big difference.

Anyway... continue if you wish, I'm sure everyone appreciate this.

Greyghost

01-27-10, 09:01 PM

After reading more on this DRM I have decided that I too will be putting off buying this title or any Ubi title seeing as you won't actually own the game. I don't want to have to have a connection to play a single player game. THis has got to be the most absurd thing Ubi could have done. This will be the first in the SH series I pass on. I was really looking forward to it but not now. :damn:

mookiemookie

01-27-10, 09:11 PM

I think Ubi has just completely shot themselves in the foot with this move. They are going to lose a lot of sales over this....and not just from us.

Check out the comments on this thread on Reddit regarding the Ubi DRM news: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/auirh/all_future_ubisoft_pc_games_will_require_you_to/
Darn near every single one of them is negative.

Whoever dreamed up this scheme at Ubi is going to be feeling some heat pretty soon. I predict that this will not last long.

irreg77

01-27-10, 09:39 PM

I bought SH3 a couple of years ago and loved the experience but found adding a few mods to the game caused it to crash. Going to get back into it without any mods. SH5 looks and sounds like a great game but having to be online to play sucks. I'm a boardgamer as well and will purchase Silent War to play the Pacific submarine campaign and Steel Wolves when it's released for the Atlantic.
I'll try my hand at SH4 as it's pretty cheap to buy now but at least with a boardgame you don't have to worry about being online or crashes!

Ginthis

01-27-10, 10:07 PM

Very bad call Ubisoft. As a longtime fan of this genre, I really want to support anyone that's brave enough to develop a WW2 subsim these days. But I'm sad to say I'm going to have to take a pass on SH5.

First the news of no type IX's or XXI and a end date of 43. I didn't like it at all but I had hopes that they planed to shore that up with DLC-expansion packs. Then the news of a rather underwhelming collectors edition, now this excessive protection scheme. These are the main reasons why I've just canceled my preorder with Amazon.

DRM, not in my subsims please. I don't want or need my rights managed. :nope:

Hopefully one day the dev team can find a more reasonable publisher.

Reece

01-27-10, 10:17 PM

Hopefully one day the dev team can find a more reasonable publisher.I do keep mentioning the the Developers are in fact UBISOFT Romania!!:-?

mookiemookie

01-27-10, 10:18 PM

I do keep mentioning the the Developers are in fact UBISOFT Romania!!:-?

So what? They are not Ubisoft corporate, i.e. the publisher.

FIREWALL

01-27-10, 10:33 PM

Then the news of a rather underwhelming collectors edition,

Where did you see this ? Link Please. :DL

Ginthis

01-27-10, 10:48 PM

So what? They are not Ubisoft corporate, i.e. the publisher.

Exactly. I'm sure they don't call the shots as to what type of protection gets tacked onto their work. Ive always thought it was odd they don't have a name for their game studio and are just known as Ubisoft Romania. :hmmm:

Where did you see this ? Link Please. :DL

Here (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160723) is some discussion on it.

Captain Sub

01-27-10, 11:31 PM

1 word:

reloaded :O::haha:

actually I'm wondering which release group will have it cracked first...

Reece

01-27-10, 11:33 PM

1 word:

reloaded :O::haha:

actually I'm wondering which release group will have it cracked first...1 word:
Neal!:O:

Reece

01-27-10, 11:37 PM

So what? They are not Ubisoft corporate, i.e. the publisher.No, but they still work together, Ubisoft developers can't sell to another publisher!!:-? Ubisoft is Ubisoft!, the big question is "Did Dan know in advance of DRM, is he for it or against it?":hmmm: Would be interesting to know!:yep:

Webster

01-27-10, 11:51 PM

1 word:

reloaded :O::haha:

actually I'm wondering which release group will have it cracked first...

@ Captain Sub - thats obvious and pretty close to getting you banned

@ mookiemookie

it all comes down to who owns the rights to the game, UBI could sell the game to another publisher at any time if they wanted to

mookiemookie

01-27-10, 11:54 PM

@ mookiemookie

it all comes down to who owns the rights to the game, UBI could sell the game to another publisher at any time if they wanted to

Or, those developers could go to another studio that will give them the latitude to create a subsim to compete with Ubi's increasingly poor offerings. I bet they could blow Ubi out of the water, given the time to work.

Webster

01-27-10, 11:56 PM

Or, those developers could go to another studio that will give them the latitude to create a subsim to compete with Ubi's increasingly poor offerings. I bet they could blow Ubi out of the water, given the time to work.

yep, my point was they couldnt bring the game or the series with them and starting from scratch or trying to work with another game might be hard to bring something we would like to see without years of work.

Reece

01-28-10, 12:02 AM

Or, those developers could go to another studio that will give them the latitude to create a subsim to compete with Ubi's increasingly poor offerings. I bet they could blow Ubi out of the water, given the time to work.I fail to see how one devision of UBI can sell out to another, even if they operate as separate companies, I would think loyalties would come into play surely!:hmmm: There's an old saying that any company fighting against itself will collapse":yep:

Webster

01-28-10, 12:15 AM

I fail to see how one devision of UBI can sell out to another, even if they operate as separate companies, I would think loyalties would come into play surely!:hmmm: There's an old saying that any company fighting against itself will collapse":yep:

they can do it with corperate restructuring like AT&T did when they split off parts of itself into smaller companies.

the money still ends up feeding the same entity but the divisions are wholely seperate so if one goes down the debt isnt shared by the others because they are not linked legally for liabilities and such and each new company lives or dies by its own success

im no buisness expert so i might have some of that a little off but thats the general idea how it works

JScones

01-28-10, 01:59 AM

So, all those who have stated "Makes no difference to me", has your fast and reliable internet connection helped you to connect to Subsim over the last few months at the times that your peers haven't been able to?

It's great to have fast soopa-doopa internet speeds and reliability, but it's all pretty useless if the server at the other end is poking its tongue out at you. Remember, this is Ubisoft.

Me, it makes no difference - I had already decided to hold off anyway, so holding off until the DRM is patched out isn't a bother to me. Having said that though, I am open minded and haven't read anything officially that makes me think that the end of the world is nigh with DRM. Then again though, I guess choosing not to buy SH5 means I don't have to think about it. :88)

The bummer for me though is that I was looking forward to Settlers 7. Ubisoft may have just saved me near AU$200. For that, I thank them eternally.

Maybe it's all a trick.... Maybe they actually planned to release it without the DRM but now they want to scare us with this. In this way, we won't petition about VII's only and 43 campaign, we'll complain about the DRM. They'll eventually say: "Considering a few suggestions from the community, we decided to ship SH% without the DRM". We'll be all so thrilled that we won't stop smiling even when the game crashes on us. :haha:
:rotfl2:I think you may be onto something here.

No, but they still work together, Ubisoft developers can't sell to another publisher!!:-? Ubisoft is Ubisoft!
I would be very surprised for a subsidiary of Ubisoft Entertainment, as Ubisoft Romania is, to contract any other Publisher.

the big question is "Did Dan know in advance of DRM, is he for it or against it?":hmmm: Would be interesting to know!:yep:
Of course he did - you can see it in the last few questions in Neal's interview.

Hunter

01-28-10, 05:46 AM

I have no problem with this because I want Ubisoft to make as much money as possible with SH5 so this franchise can continue. Subsims are a rare breed and if this helps stop the piracy of SH5 then so be it.

The better way to make as much money as possible is to make quality game and arrange additional survices e.i. addons, patches, provide modding tools to community to make game a legend. I may be too old fashioned, but if i wan't a PC game i go to local store and buy a disc, if I have to download it facing potential problems with on-line regestering and log-ining etc appeares attraction to prefer torrent not a steam or something else.

THE_MASK

01-28-10, 06:07 AM

The better way to make as much money as possible is to make quality game and arrange additional survices e.i. addons, patches, provide modding tools to community to make game a legend. I may be too old fashioned, but if i wan't a PC game i go to local store and buy a disc, if I have to download it facing potential problems with on-line regestering and log-ining etc appeares attraction to prefer torrent not a steam or something else.
What he said , without saying it :arrgh!:

Reece

01-28-10, 06:11 AM

Hartmann

01-28-10, 07:10 AM

You can buy a disc alright but you still have to create a UBI account, login and stay connected during the entire single player game!!:nope:

Another bug to deal with it, internet interruptions and game lock ups .

I can´t understand why stay in single games all time connected to internet.

My big worries is what the DRM do while i´m playing, and what broadband need to stay connected .Perhaps they want to know what programs are downloading and what, and with the time block some applications running in background.or know what pages are visited with internet browser :nope:

No way ..i´m will not buy the game until a offline option will be available

what next ? a little window with this while playing ?

http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/%7Ehsp/images/issue07/035_Big_Brother/01_1984-movie-bb2_a.jpg

Hunter

01-28-10, 07:16 AM

You can buy a disc alright but you still have to create a UBI account, login and stay connected during the entire single payer game!!:nope:

Exactly what I said, the only things what I want from developer and publisher for that not too cheap price for a PC game in our days are a legal copy I can easily install withough concern if it is readable and compatible with my current hardware and won't bring me read error due to compatibility issues caused by copyprotection system in about 5 years making to seak for cracked version, then quality game with good immersion and little features cut off due to budget reduction that i would like to keep in my collection to replay again and again, support for removing bugs and improvements, and lot of additional content (paid addons are OK since game worth playing) not like it was SH3 with which was abandoned with many unfinished features. Why not to sell more units, objects and features to popular games? What I defenetely don't need are on-line accounts, check-ins or on-line connection for singleplayer game. At least PC is not only a communication device but my private space and storage as well that I would like to keep save from various on-line dangers.

Lanzfeld

01-28-10, 08:17 AM

Like someone else already said: You will be in the middle of a stalking-attack and right before you shoot an ad for a soda will pop up!

Reece

01-28-10, 08:23 AM

Like someone else already said: You will be in the middle of a stalking-attack and right before you shoot an ad for a soda will pop up!Or even worse, an ad for other UBI game titles!!:03:

kvbrock82

01-28-10, 08:48 AM

:timeout:

I voted "Ill wait".. but i will actually do the right thing and not buy this title at all with this intrusive way of doing things.

Im not having Ubisoft's dirty software infecting my brand new EUR2000 pc.. besides, loads of great games coming out this year. Cant wait. :up:

Hitman

01-28-10, 09:27 AM

According to the poll they have lost or delayed approximately $13500.00 USD in sales by this decision. And thats just this thread :D

Were up to $14050.00 USD

$ 15.800 already!

What's interesting is that when the poll had only 100 respondents the results were almost identical to what they are now with ~350 respondents. That's still a very small number, but if those numbers are consistent with the overall userbase there's something to ponder for Ubi.

Very true, only a 17% is going to buy the game like this. Wonder if there would have been a SH5 at all, if SH4 had gotten only 17% of its actual sales?

Wake up UBI, do you really think there will be people willing to buy it just because they can't use a pirated version (Which will eventually appear sooner or later)? No way. Subsims are not like many other games, they have a more mature public with money available and a long term interest on this. And when the majority of that public walks away, then the business is dead.

BulSoldier

01-28-10, 09:34 AM

Not dead but left behind. Until someone with common sense takes the oportunity to pick it up from where it was left and do the things the proper way.
I will be more than happy to see silent hunter game made as it was supposed to be when it was realeased instead of patching it for a year and reling on moders to make it appealing.

As for the poll, well it speaks clearly on itself.I hope the ones at the top of ubi (few months from now) wake up and do the right thing, that is give the devs enough time to make a quality product.

Steeltrap

01-28-10, 09:51 AM

Purchase? After this connect-to-internet-all-the-time-or-piss-off? PURCHASE??

:haha:

:har:

Maybe they're doing this because Ubi is in France and secretly hates seeing u-boats leaving from French ports.....

:D

BulSoldier

01-28-10, 10:00 AM

May be then they should limit the game to mid spring '40. Just cut as much as you already did from the war.

Steeltrap

01-28-10, 10:13 AM

May be then they should limit the game to mid spring '40. Just cut as much as you already did from the war.

Ha, a little unkind.

I don't really mind it stopping mid-43 as their reasoning about the battle being lost is quite correct.

I can equally understand others aren't happy; comparing a mid-43 end with mid-40 one is a little disingenuous (even though it made me laugh)....

BulSoldier

01-28-10, 10:22 AM

Its a joke.I myself never reached mid '43 in gwx3. But still i like the challange and the remote possibility to reach the end of the war.It may sound a bit harsh but i wasnt that happy about only type7 but the real killer for me was the '43 ending.

headcase

01-28-10, 12:23 PM

It's a deal-killer for me. I make my living as a cruise-line musician. An internet connection like that is just not gonna happen. Most of the time I'm not on board I am on a 28' sailboat. Not an steady-connection haven either. Steam lost my dollars years ago. Looks like Ubisoft has now as well. I know I don't live a normal life, but I don't see where I should have to be told by THe Man where an when I can get my game on after I've paid my money. Or maybe I'm just too much of a dinosaur for this world.

KL-alfman

01-28-10, 12:31 PM

Or maybe I'm just too much of a dinosaur for this world.

NO!
you're not. or 90% of this board are as well .....

Dieselglock

01-28-10, 01:10 PM

Canceled my pre-order this morning. I like the freedom to play my SH series anytime I like on my laptop. I travel often and do not always have an internet connection. It is a shame, I only play SH and no other games. I was really looking forward to this release.

FIREWALL

01-28-10, 01:17 PM

Since RoF operates about the same way and it's in the bargain bin ay Ebay.

Your 3rd and 4th choice on poll equal about the same.

Looking at the totals here and on other threads most members here give SHV the :down: for early purchase.

It seems that way on other sites too.

BulSoldier

01-28-10, 02:38 PM

Yes it will be extremely interestign after the release to lock it and check the results from the poll with the sales and the expected sales.

msalama

01-28-10, 02:59 PM

...will it affect your decision to buy (sorry lease)?

I wish I knew. Guess I've gotta wait for the early user reports to surface before deciding one way or another...

TteFAboB

01-28-10, 03:13 PM

This online requirement is pure absurdity, or even beyond absurd, for a single-player off-line game. It wouldn't matter if the internet was available 100% of the time everywhere, for everybody, you still don't own the game, you must request authorization everytime you want to play it:

"Daddy, can I play the game, pleeeease? I purchased it myself with all the savings of my piggy bank! Pleeeeease?"

"Just a moment, sonny, let me see that proof of purchase again, you little rascal!"

I see no reason to ask Ubisoft permission to play a game that I have purchased, and I see no reason to be presumed guilty until proven innocent, and being required to prove my innocence, not once, but forever, indefinitely, to the end of times.

This is bull****. The only day I'll buy SH5 is when this insult to the customer is removed.

Webchessie

01-28-10, 03:27 PM

DRM really puts another nail in the coffin about purchasing this at release. I'm now on the "wait and see" list.:shifty:

longam

01-28-10, 05:22 PM

Surface the Thread!

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/u/uboat-painting-bridge.jpg

Von Taticus

01-28-10, 06:11 PM

Surface the Thread!

The figures showing in the poll appears to be the easiest way to see the sentiment here, could it be stickied again?:03:

If we could get a real large number of votes then maybe UBI would be able to digest what it says. (If it was presented to them)

subsimlee

01-28-10, 07:06 PM

Pay to own the sim, have info collected from your useage habits etc. sold to other gaming interests and not be offered a share of the profits. Outrageous!......They won,t get my money until they rethink this, and not just SH5 but any game, software or applications. This smacks of Big Brother, shades of " 1984 " and Micro you know who! I don't think I've ever been MORE motivated to post something in the 15 years I've been on the internet. Once again, OUTRAGEOUS!!!!

Webster

01-28-10, 07:13 PM

Surface the Thread!

http://www.axishistory.com/fileadmin/user_upload/u/uboat-painting-bridge.jpg

due to popular demand its restickied

start parade, women raise shirts, show boobies for subsimmers :woot:

Thomen

01-28-10, 07:36 PM

due to popular demand its restickied

start parade, women raise shirts, show boobies for subsimmers :woot:

Sorry.. no boobies allowed :nope:
:D

Task Force

01-28-10, 07:44 PM

Sorry.. no boobies allowed :nope:
:D
Well, we know dowly isnt comeing now.:rotfl2:

XLjedi

01-28-10, 08:19 PM

start parade, women raise shirts, show boobies for subsimmers :woot:

:o :har:

frau kaleun

01-28-10, 08:33 PM

I'd demand equal time, but moobies don't really do anything for me.

So I was gonna ask what else you got... but that would probably be a bad idea. :O:

Steeltrap

01-28-10, 09:43 PM

I'd demand equal time, but moobies don't really do anything for me.

So I was gonna ask what else you got... but that would probably be a bad idea. :O:

up scope / schnorkel

Something like that, perhaps?

:D

Rockin Robbins

01-28-10, 10:07 PM

As usual the answers are woefully incomplete and none of them applies to the decision the vast majority will make. Personally I was always in the "pioneers get all the arrows" category and would not consider preordering the game. I buy things that I am able to evaluate beforehand and have proven value. SH5 has never met that criteria and won't until well after release after I count the arrows in the pioneers. Ubi must earn my business with each release.

But in fairness, nobody knows the true impact of this "DRM" which is no DRM, but another scheme entirely. DRM is some kind of copy protection scheme which renders the game problematic for honest players, but which pirates remove completely so they can distribute a truly superior product for free. DRM, then, as currently practiced, simply doesn't work.

As a result game companies, such as EA, which is traveling down this same road, have gotten creative. The CEO of EA even invited pirates to copy and distribute their titles. Why not help out the cause and take on some of the distribution costs? EA gets the money anyway when they play. Ubi is playing catchup.

How will this work out in practice? WE DON'T KNOW! The sky may indeed be falling. I doubt it though. Heck, I logged onto a two year old Runescape account that hadn't been played in that long, discovered a completely different Runescape that only superficially resembled Runescape of two years ago, with "all new code." What happened? My on-line save game loaded and played flawlessly. Try loading your save game after switching from RFB to TMO. You'll be doing the old Wiley Coyote thing off the mile-high cliff.

Ubi's scheme may be the best thing that ever happened, or it could be as bad as the chicken littles are catastrophizing about. The hand wringing is most entertaining and predictable. How about let's wait and see? That, of course, is the obvious missing answer. Polls suck!

If you want to cancel your preorder, you're only correcting a rash decision that deserved not to be made anyway. But keep an open mind and check out the product when it's issued. Then all this baseless speculation goes out the window and is replaced with hard facts.

frau kaleun

01-28-10, 10:10 PM

up scope / schnorkel

Something like that, perhaps?

:D

"Is that a schnorkel on your u-boat, or are you just happy to see me?"

THE_MASK

01-29-10, 01:58 AM

You wouldnt believe it . My other hobby is four wheel driving and today toyota said i have to be on the phone to them or my engine wont run .

bratkorv

01-29-10, 05:52 AM

I have no intention of "buying" SH5, unless UBI change it's new DRM policy (not likely).

Now is the time to make a stand. Vote with your wallet!!!! If nobody is up for the task, then why are we arguing about this in the first place?

Hartmann

01-29-10, 07:45 AM

Gezoes

01-29-10, 08:02 AM

So just so I understand. This is not like Empire: Total War, wich needs a Steam authentication once, and the game will play without an internet connection. Not that I've played it since, too many trademark features from the series are gone, comparable to not having several U-boat types and 1944 and 1945.

But apart from that, SH5 will need a continious internet connection instead of just once for authentication? A friend of mine (with a laptop) bought Empire and (wireless) authenticated at my place, then he could play at home, without internet.

Empire was a disaster, but as I understand it now, SH5 will always need internet? Not just for authentication or DLC. So one hickup and wammo, game crashes, stops? Surely that cannot be the case. Steam isn't that bad, although hell for modding, but at least one can play the game offline. And won't this DRM check our version, so say we have a couple of mods, it will detect it as an 'illegal' version?

I have a bad feeling about this. I'm not being deliberately negative, it's just that I've seen too many bad examples in gameland. This doesn't bode well.

stabiz

01-29-10, 08:07 AM

Yup, you need internet connection all the time to play.

Gezoes

01-29-10, 08:21 AM

Thanks, I see. Well, that's the nail that settles it. My connection is great but if only out of principle for others: That's a no-go :shifty:

And don't worry about future SH-installments or expansions, and/or our cancellations bothering their balance. Empire sold like crazy. The PR hit the Creative Assembly and Sega took by the criticism is quite substantial though.

Nikita

01-29-10, 08:43 AM

It seems Silent Hunter series ends here. One minute silence, please.

Mikhayl

01-29-10, 09:25 AM

Documentary about French submarine Casabianca:
http://videos.tf1.fr/reportages/des-hommes-sous-la-mer-4461601.html

Go to 21:00 and see what the guys are doing when off-duty :)

Hitman

01-29-10, 09:47 AM

22.650 $ lost by UBI already :o

onelifecrisis

01-29-10, 09:54 AM

22.650 $ lost by UBI already :o

Huh!? :confused:

Letum

01-29-10, 09:57 AM

Huh!?

It's the product of people who arn't buying and game price.

Kremmen

01-29-10, 10:01 AM

Was gonna get SH5 as soon as it came out but with this Digital Restriction Management in place....'fraid not.
As some others have mentioned what happens if you install a mod,does that mean your game will be seen as an unauthorized version and won't function ?
Do the suits at Ubi not see what the modders have done with SH3 & 4,how they have fixed a lot of problems,added new content and taken the game so much further and have given us superb subsims with far greater longevity than the stock game ?
I really hope Ubi take note of all the negativity expressed throughout the whole community and rethink their whole DRM stance and present us with a sim that lets us sail without the need for a net connection,allows the modders in to do their thing and allows us to move forward unhindered.
However if not,I still have SH3 & 4 in all their modded goodness to keep me afloat a long time yet.

One proud dinosaur
Kremmen

jerm138

01-29-10, 11:38 AM

I have a continuous internet connection, so it wouldn't really affect me... but (and I know this might be hard for some people to understand) I'm not just only concerned about ME! There are a lot of people who this will negatively affect, and for that reason, I'm not supporting this with my wallet.

So many people take the stance of "get with the times." But that's like saying that I have to have an iPod in order to play my new guitar. Sure, a good percentage of musicians have an iPod, but that doesn't justify making my new instrument useless unless I "get with the times" and pay for something that isn't really necessary to make it work.

kipper

01-29-10, 11:42 AM

I'll won't buy (been playing since SH1). I prefer games that I have on my shelf... that way there's no need to hope for an ICT miracle (100% access to a remote server guaranteed for a lifetime!!!!).

Doolan

01-29-10, 11:43 AM

I'll be sincere, I have never been an activist in this sense. I accepted and even welcomed Steam, and I'm aware that the vast majority of gamers nowadays have an internet connection 24 / 7, so that kind of activation has never stopped me from making a purchase.

But there are limits.

As other users have pointed out, Steam is a different thing altogether. You have to activate online once, and check for patches now and then, with a little connection here and there to refresh its memory. It's also the leading online distribution service, with rock-solid servers that have never let me down.

But Ubi? Give me a break. I find it annoying enough to need a different account for every different service every different company ends up making, only to remove it some time later. Most games I have played that went for online DRM ended up removing it, except for Steam-based ones, when they noticed that they just couldn't handle the kind of server uptime required for it. I'll never understand why every company tries and tries when there's already a service of choice and they are not going to beat it. If anyone remembers the shoddy port of GTA IV to the PC, it requred authenticating in THREE different services (Steam, Windows Live and Rockstar Cafe) before playing.

Ubi's servers, login services and matchmaking apps for multiplayer games have worked pretty miserably for me in the past, and such a service simply can't compete with Steam. It's bound to fail at some point.

But of course they couldn't stop there: they also want to host our savegames, and to check for activation upon every launch.

This kind of draconic DRM kept me from purchasing Knigths of the Sky. Even their goddang demo had it. It also kept me from buying X3 until they ate humble pie and moved to Steam, where I recently bought it.

I'm a very big fan of the Silent Hunter series, but this time I'm not buying until they remove the DRM, make it more reasonable or switch to Steam like everyone else.

Marka Ragnos

01-29-10, 12:02 PM

Wait for UBI to remove the online DRM!

peabody

01-29-10, 01:08 PM

I for one will not be buying it, it is plain and simple...Spyware. One thing everyone trys to keep off their computer.
The connection to the net to play is one thing but they also want the 'savegames' on their servers. Why would anyone want to maintain a server for the thousands of savegames if it isn't to gather data?
To find out who is playing, when, what settings. Are people having to set lower setting in order to play. Are people using manual targeting or auto, can they use full graphics or do they need to 'tone it down' There is tons of information in the savegames that can easily be collected using a well written program.
And don't forget all the question and problems from the Multiplayers, that could not get the servers to work, and when then came out with the Uboat add on pack, the server was never upgraded to be able to use it. And how many would have been using multiplayer and never voiced their opinion, just gave up? Will this be any different?

IF and that's a big IF this information is correct about DRM then the game will never be on my computer. You want to know info for future development, ask me, don't try to force me to give it to you with this Spyware. I for one can see no use for having my savegames on the Ubisoft servers other than to collect data. They will complain about not being able to do more than 1943 due to cost and then turn around and maintain expensive servers for your savegames. Good thing this is not a trial, there is not a jury in the world that would buy that one.

Peabody

Onkel Neal

01-29-10, 01:15 PM

BootsmanBoof

01-29-10, 01:31 PM

I won't be getting it. :cry:

I hate BS setups like that. I'm a Total War nut and yet I never got Empire because it uses Steam. I'm a grown man with a job who doesn't need to steal, I buy all my games, and I like a clean pc with only what I want on it. No 3rd party game nanny bollocks please.

I'm terribly disappointed now.

GWX it is for at least the foreseeable future.

Wait for UBI to remove the online DRM!

I won't be actively waiting, that would drive me nuts. I'll just forget the game completely, and recheck this forum in around 2012/2013.

petherf

01-29-10, 03:06 PM

karamazovnew

01-29-10, 03:17 PM

34,450 dollars lost so far... :hmmm: It's like watching a BMW hitting Chuck Norris' forehead at 300 kph. A full-option 3 Series BMW with full options to be more exact.

GlobalExplorer

01-29-10, 03:27 PM

Will the new DRM affect your SH5 purchase?

Most def.

petherf

01-29-10, 03:39 PM

Will the new DRM affect your SH5 purchase?

Most def.

If you read my post.
NO IT WILL NOT
It *s not the money
I Will bought it Anyway!

karamazovnew

01-29-10, 03:44 PM

GlobalExplorer, how dare you post a reply that has nothing to do with Petherf's first post?!!!!! :haha:

GerritJ9

01-29-10, 04:01 PM

I bought Storm Eagle Studios "Jutland" and while I like the game itself, I definitely do NOT like their DRM system one bit. So I will NEVER buy any other sim with such a system, no matter how good it is. SES shot themselves in the foot as far as I'm concerned and it looks like UBI will too.

tonschk

01-29-10, 04:24 PM

I Vote for the :"Makes no difference to me"
I Didnt know wath the DRM was!
But now when i read the posts in the forum, I dont like it, my logbook is online with my carier?
I have pre order the game and i go with that!
Sorry for my poor Enhlish ,but it*s 40 years sins i was in school!
petherf

Is in it a wonderful world!
I have silent hunter 1, 2,3,4
It cost 349 sek, and it s not so mutch !

The Silent Hunter 3/4 game is the ONLY one game I play for YEARS again and again , I don't like first person shooter games and Colin McRae DIRD soon become boring , therefore , I will buy without a doubt Silent Hunter 5
:DL

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Sevrin

01-29-10, 04:27 PM

Nope.

My initial reaction to SH5 was "I have a bad feeling about this"... Something just seemed 'wrong', maybe it was the RPG element they wanted to introduce, or that bizarre trailer - who knows...but this DRM nonsense? Unbelievable. I need to log-on, authenticate, have my games saved to an outside server in order to play...a sub simulation?

Wtf? Gary Busey makes more sense than that...

And I'm sure it would be especially gratifying to spend countless time stalking, evading, getting into position, setting up the shot...only to drop connection... :woot:

There have been a lot of angry apocalyptic "this will signal the end of the SH fanchise 4ever!!111!!" posts over the years, but this time it may actually ring true...

:zzz:

Mikhayl

01-29-10, 04:29 PM

Poll trend for the "Makes no difference to me" response:
-with 100 voters: ~20%
-with 400 voters: ~17.5%
-with ~550 voters: 14%
-with 700 voters: 12%

a similar poll on the German Ubi forum:
http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3431013487/m/6881088728/showpollresults/Y

right now 162 votes, 12% favourable to the DRM/OSP.

ryanglavin

01-29-10, 04:54 PM

Personally, I'll still buy the game... But the DRM in my opinion is complete ass-facey. Digital Rights Management is another way for companies to control you, gotta love video gaming communism. I just hope they'll get rid of the DRM, well time to reinstall gwx 3.0 gold after i got my new computer, can't wait for that at least!

I just hope the devs can pull through this.. but I just don't want to see the fall... I have a feeling thats coming... Oh gosh i don't like the look of this.

Bubblehead1980

01-29-10, 05:24 PM

Although I am not a big fan of U Boats, I planned to purchase SH 5 to support the franchise and hope for a return to the PTO in SH 6 minus the bugs, inaccuracies and shortcuts.However, if this DRM nonsense is true in the final version, I will NOT buy the game.I hope UBI is listening, I don't care if it delays the release, they need to remove that BS.RyanGlavin said it best, video game communism.

Wolfehunter

01-29-10, 05:30 PM

I'm not going to buy the game. I don't have money to waste. I have to make hard choices on the games that I feel give me value and enjoyment for the $$$.

I don't like what I read in the interview with ubi's intentions to the game. I really don't like the DRM scheme. But I know I'm one man and I don't do much damaged to ubi's sales. I'm sure there will find there market in the console world.

Good for them.. and good riddance. ;)

darkforcenl

01-29-10, 06:22 PM

They will loose a lot of customers with this DRM .....t. I'l hope they think about it!(They will check more on your pc than only SH5!!!!!!).
And online savegame is a very BAD thing, players need to have a choice to save online or local.

I will not buy the game if there will be DRM. :nope:

Jonin

01-29-10, 06:35 PM

It's UBI, they do this every time, what did you expect? Just wait until they remove it.

Nimmo55

01-29-10, 06:48 PM

No...I've decided not to get this game....I'll wait and see:

a) if it is realistic enough for my tastes...and ensure they have not dumbed it down for the sake of a wider audience, and..

b) I will make a stand with this internet connection required...seems wrong when I have PURCHASED the game....

Never mind...I'll be consolled by all the other great titles about to come out....

Nimmo55

Der Teddy Bar

01-29-10, 06:50 PM

It does not matter how reliable the Ubisoft online authentication is, indirectly the always online requirement will stop me from playing at the times I want.

I live in Australia, 20 minutes outside Canberra, our national capital. But when it came to getting an internet connection that meant little.

I had the choice of 1 ISP and the connection was wireless as the telephone lines were pair gain i.e. where the telco overloads the copper with services in lieu of actually installing adequate infrastructure which our national telco Telecom is infamous for.

Here I was having just arrived in our nations capital, all be it just outside, and I had to wait 7 weeks to get my internet connection.

7 weeks later all keen to surf the net and catch up on the world as I know it, but the very next day there is a slight issue. The internet is not available till 08.30 and this happens the next day and the next where the connection was only available starting from 07.30 to 09.00. Upon following this up with my ISP I find that the wireless towers do not have enough battery capacity to cope with the winter overcast days. This took 9 months to be rectified.

I was to find out that this was the least of my problems with this ISP.

There were regular outages of 1-4 hours every 2-4 days and 4-12 hours every 2-3 weeks. The longest outage we had was 3 days. The network was so overloaded the 1500k connection would often be sub 400k.

As bad as this ISP was if it was not for this community oriented ISP I would have had to use a 56k dial service. Remember this is in Australia and a mere 20 minutes outside out national capital.

What of my saved games on Ubisofts server? As noted above my ISP is flakier than a concussed blonde. Will I loose several hours of play because my ISP had yet another glitch and stopped me uploading the saved game or cut it off 1/2 way through?

What of having a internet connection? My wife was a Customs Detector Dog handler and as such we moved a bit in 3 years. During this time, not counting the extreme 7 weeks above, I was waiting for a broadband connection for a total of 21 weeks or 5.1 months!

Ubisoft will add salt to the wound that when I so not have a internet connection by not allowing me to play a game I purchased.

The myth of Piracy and its impact is an excuse companies like Ubisoft cling to so they can explain away why their sales are not what they expect or promised on that AAA title. It stops those ugly questions of why did you release such a poorly designed and/or buggy game, why is the game lacking any depth and fails to deliver on the marketing. Why is have you not fixed the design flaws and other problems from SH3 in SH4. Why is this full priced game nothing more than a minor expansion pack?

Start looking after your customers by firstly not punishing them with DRM that does nothing to reduce piracy and only hurts legitimate customers and start delivering quality products and supporting a game past the cursory 3-4 patches.

I would also like to add that game reviews need to be better. I loved SH3 but there is no way that even after the super mods that it is a 100/100 game as was the score Subsim gave the original release. It is my view that this leads to stagnation of the franchise as why would Ubi spend money fixing up the poor AI, the Tiger Tank U-boat (trade mark pending) etc when the game is already 100/100?

Always online? Thanks but no thanks.

JScones

01-29-10, 07:47 PM

I live in Australia, 20 minutes outside Canberra, our national capital. But when it came to getting an internet connection that meant little.

I had the choice of 1 ISP and the connection was wireless as the telephone lines were pair gain i.e. where the telco overloads the copper with services in lieu of actually installing adequate infrastructure which our national telco Telecom is infamous for.
I've been here for four years - if you get a chance, check out internode.on.net. Reliable ADSL speed - always 1500/256 and prolly only a handful of dropouts in the last three years.

My wife was a Customs Detector Dog handler and as such we moved a bit in 3 years.
Hey, snap - my wife used to be a "drug carrier" for dog training. She would have transferred to the doggies too had they not moved out of the territory.

Payoff

01-29-10, 08:26 PM

Voted: Not going to at all now

I would love to buy SH5 to at least support the franchise, but this is just too much. I wont "buy" any simulator that forces me to play online.
I'm out.

Payoff

John W. Hamm

01-29-10, 09:52 PM

This is from SH5's Facebook page, everyone seemed to be singing high praises for UBI until I posted wonder what happened?

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(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1276068678)Peter Anastassiou (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1276068678) That's a good new!!! Will SH5 be supported by wide screen view such as MATROX TripleHead2go???

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(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1036947041)Timor Dvir (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1036947041) Does anybody knows is it possible to pre-order the collector's edition? or where will it be available to purchase on the net?

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(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1441511225)Thisismyname Scott (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1441511225) DRM, no thanks, I'll pass.

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(http://www.facebook.com/saruwatari.kaito)Saruwatari Kaito (http://www.facebook.com/saruwatari.kaito) love this! but I believe SH5 will be hacked within hours of it being released so what is the point of the restrictive DRM systems.

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(http://www.facebook.com/norman.nielander)Norman A Nielander (http://www.facebook.com/norman.nielander) DRM? only type VII's? mmmm not looking good ubi soft. well done..like we realy wanted a game that's awkward and only half of the previous titles.

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(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106382571)John Hamm (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106382571) According to the SubSim forums 83% + have opted not to buy this game! do to DRM I am certainly one of them I canceled my Pre-order along with many, many others, and I agree SHV will be hacked very soon as all games are...thanks UBI for alienating your core fans!!

Wed at 3:46pm ·

(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106382571)John Hamm (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106382571) I also notice that many of the negative post's that were on here about DRM and people not buying the game have been deleted......I guess they got tired of doing that though.

Wed at 3:49pm ·

(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1406210185)Todd Woolever (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1406210185) What is DRM?

Wed at 4:12pm · Report

(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106382571)John Hamm (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106382571) Digital Rights Management in most cases are okay, But in this case in order to play your offline single player game you will have to have a constant internet connection to play SH5 if you don't have one you will not be playing the game! despite the fact that it is a single player off line game....not to mention all of your game saves will be saved... See More ... See Moreon UBI servers...Now a good thing is you can DL the game to as many PC as you want (i don't know about you but I only have 2 and only is used for gaming...so I don't need to be able to put the game on 10000 computers.

Wed at 5:34pm ·

(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106382571)John Hamm (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1106382571) I stand corrected there is to be do DRM We have OPS instead

Nope you heard it right no more DRM
UBI has has decided do to an out cry from the gaming community's it will go into Operation BS (Bait and Switch! AKA Bull ****)
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UBI Will discontinue DRM and move into using the more hip initials of OPS

and what does OPS do???? The same damn thing!

I honestly feel as though my intelligence has really been insulted.

Wed at 7:08pm ·

(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1406210185)Todd Woolever (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1406210185) well I just spent some time reading about DRM and I will cancel my pre-order. I still play SH3. and now I don't have to upgrade any hardware. Thank you UBI......

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(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000492446484)Lise Og Truls Kvernhusvik (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000492446484) The DRM / OPS put me right off buying the game. It's a shame.

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(http://www.facebook.com/saruwatari.kaito)Saruwatari Kaito (http://www.facebook.com/saruwatari.kaito) i've cancelled my pre-order until UBISOFT revert back to something less restrictive, damn I want this sim so UBISOFT do the right thing.

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(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1528954325)Claudio Luis Cofini (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1528954325) DRM Kick me! I dont buy SHV because I cant play with that crap! Bye bye UBI!!!

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(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=845298677)Tim Renken (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=845298677) DRM works great. I play 4 games that use it. Have you any experience with it?

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(http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1271192013)Simon Mallett (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1271192013) I too have cancelled my pre order, will not buy it now unless I can play off line as i do with all my other Silent Hunters :(

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(http://www.facebook.com/Alex.Tsilo)Alex Tsilogiannis (http://www.facebook.com/Alex.Tsilo) I agree, it is a hastle to have to use DRM EVERYTIME i want to play.
so if my internet is down - what, i CANT PLAY THE GAME??
forget that others do it, but why jeopardize game sales by trying to prohibit pirate copies?
there will ALWAYS be pirate copies, so even if you cut pirated copies by 20%, you've also lowered your game sales by 30%
just listen to your customers that are MOSTLY against the DRM, myself included

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Thomen

01-29-10, 09:58 PM

John W. Hamm

01-29-10, 10:05 PM

The mood swing is very interesting. But, imo, I would remove the facebook links to the individual FB user pages. ;)

Other than that.. :yeah:

I would but they each as i do have the ability to lock their page if they don't want anyone to see it (very well known tool in FB) and what they said they posted in a public forum already however i did remove all pictures.

JScones

01-29-10, 10:13 PM

I'm surprised John's posts are still there! Not surprised about trenkin's post though.