hearing the eco ping in SH3+GWX3?

[Sag75]

Hi to all, I'm now playing definitely with GWX3.0 because I finished the campaign in GWX2.1

Now, in GWX3.0 the ping sound is different, somewhat shorter than in GWX2.1

This night a DD was pinging me, and I'm very sure I was able to hear an higher tonality (so not higher in volume) ping sound just following the normal ping sound tone.. a sort of: <piiingINGg..>

So what was it?? the returning ping? an eco ping from sea floor (I was 40meters from it)??


thanks..!

[popcorn2721]

I always thought I was hearing the echo ringing back to the sub... but thats just my opinion.

[Sag75]

yes, me too. I was thinking it was the echo. But why I don't hear it when a DD is tracking me by repeated pinging?

[Sag75]

So, any other comments on that by SH3 experts ?

[Sailor Steve]

I've never even noticed it. Sorry.:oops:

[Jimbuna]

You could always go into the sound folders of both GWX installations and check out/compare the echelot, sonar, sonar_coat and sonar_coat_imp files.

[Sag75]

Yes! the second sound is likely sonar_coat or sonar_coat_imp

so... for what cause are these files played ?

[Jimbuna]

Yes! the second sound is likely sonar_coat or sonar_coat_imp

so... for what cause are these files played ?

They let you know if the asdic has gone 'active' basically.

[Sag75]

..so is that higher tone sound the returning echo from your sub to pinging DD?

[Sag75]

So, I removed sonar_coat and sonar_coat_imp from Sound folder.. and the weird sound was still there!

I heard more carefully and it's the sonar.wav file for sure, just played a tone higher.

It seems played only under unknown circumstances.. I made some observations, the depth doesn't seem have an effect even if I was able to hear it more frequently when I was close to surface or the sea floor. Moreover for one time I heard only the higher tone from the external view (!?) when I was close to sea floor.. so might it be a bounce echo that is audible only on a defined angle??

[Jimbuna]

I can't honestly say for sure :hmmm:

[Sag75]

This is the first time to me, too. Maybe because in SH3 stock and in GWX2 the ping sound is different.

Hasn't anybody heard it yet, in GWX3 ?

[Jimbuna]

Myself and a few others have had a good 'listen around' and don't seem able to identify or replicate what your experiencing :hmmm:

[Sag75]

hi, it doesn't happen to me every day, too! Probably it takes place only in some circumstances.

I tried Narvik II mission, letting me pinging by DDs. The water is pretty shallow there and sometime I was able to hear it..


Edit:

OK! I was able to record it! now you can hear it in the link below, it's the second ping. I was in NarvikII mission, at 20 meters of depth under keel, and a DD had already started pinging me, the record starts just after getting the detection notice in events menù.

http://www.filefront.com/14797567/weird%20sonar.wma


So, I think it happens when a DD discovers you by its asdic, and it could be the echo.

[Jimbuna]

hi, it doesn't happen to me every day, too! Probably it takes place only in some circumstances.

I tried Narvik II mission, letting me pinging by DDs. The water is pretty shallow there and sometime I was able to hear it..


Edit:

OK! I was able to record it! now you can hear it in the link below, it's the second ping. I was in NarvikII mission, at 20 meters of depth under keel, and a DD had already started pinging me, the record starts just after getting the detection notice in events menù.

http://www.filefront.com/14797567/weird%20sonar.wma


So, I think it happens when a DD discovers you by its asdic, and it could be the echo.

Actually I realise this is not the answer your looking for but it sounds really cool.....it could possibly be an echo but I doubt it because the sonar doesn't recognise land ingame.

My guess is it could well be a sound file interfering with the sound file of another DD when both ping at the same time.

Sorry but that's the best I can suggest.

[Sag75]

thanks, I remember I heard only one time the acute sound only, when I was outside the sub in the external view.

This is weird too, normally I can't hear any ping from that view!

I'll make more observations.

[Commander Gizmo]

I wish you could hear the ping when in external view. It just seems to make sense that you would.

[Sag75]

Hi, yes, but normally when you are into the sub and a DD is pinging, you hear the ping. When you jump outside you can't no more hear that.. but if you return inside, you can hear the ping again. What I heard outside, that surprised me, was only the acute ping (the second you can hear in the file above) and not the normal one.

So, for what modelled reason I can hear ONLY the acute tone outside the sub??

[Sag75]

Here some news. I'm sure about this things:

1. the acute tone occours when a DD is pinging and you get the detection message in events menù and from your crew.
2. when you have the detection message, you may expect this particular ping within some normal pings that follow the detection alert. After several normal pings, it's not heard any more. You need an other detection message to have it back.
3. it seems indipendent by sea floor level (last time it was over 1000) and depth (I was at 140) and sub side to DD.
4. the number of DDs doesn't seem relevant.
5. on the contrary of the normal ping, this higher tonality ping (and only it) is also heard outside the sub in external view!


that's all, for now!

[Commander Gizmo]

data\Sounds\sonar_coat.wav sounds very much like your second ping.

[Jimbuna]

You could always go into the sound folders of both GWX installations and check out/compare the echelot, sonar, sonar_coat and sonar_coat_imp files.

data\Sounds\sonar_coat.wav sounds very much like your second ping.

The only possibilities.

[difool2]

SH1 heads (like me!) may remember that returning pings (i.e. those echoes off of you that the DD could pick up, rather) sounded different than non-returning ones. Dunno if this is the same feature or not tho...

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Creepy! In a cool sort of way. :cool:

Sag75... have you added ANY other sound mods to your SH3/GWX installation?

[Sag75]

Hi, no, it's just the GWX3 installation.

I compared the sounds with a sound editor, and I'm pretty confident that Jimbuna and Gizmo are right, the second ping is sonar_coat.


So it gives us the opportunity to understand why sonar_coat is played when our sub is detected and we get the alert! (and it can be hear outside). Where I can find an informative file on that?

thx :up:

[Sag75]

So nobody can answer me why sonar_coat is played just few times when I get alert messages.. even if I don't have any Alberich on my sub? :(

[Kpt. Lehmann]

So nobody can answer me why sonar_coat is played just few times when I get alert messages.. even if I don't have any Alberich on my sub? :(

I don't know mate. In all my days of working on GWX, I've never experienced it or read a testing-crew communication regarding this matter.

[Commander Gizmo]

I humbly put forth it is a bug and you should enjoy it while it lasts.

[Jimbuna]

I humbly put forth it is a bug and you should enjoy it while it lasts.

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