Ford Taurus 2010

[XabbaRus]

I was reaing an article on the BBC about it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8249530.stm

This is onething tha made me curious

The Taurus 2010 will average 17mpg in the city and 25mpg on the motorway, on a par with the competition, according to the consumer auto site Edmund.com.

Can anyone tell me how that is good? and is that for the V6 option. For a V6 that could be realistic but if that is supposed to be the fuel economy for the average normal engined one then that is shocking.

[Sledgehammer427]

First thing that caught my eye was
"hey, it's not butt-ugly anymore" :haha:

as for the MPG, I think that's the V-6 model.
they might aslo put in that cylinder selector thing where it shuts off all of the cylinders you don't need, i.e. neighborhood driving, 4 cyl,
if for some odd reason you need to GO you put the hammer down and it kicks in the other 2. cool idea

[CastleBravo]

The first thing which caught my eye was that it was a Ford..........not GM/Chrysler. Henry's legacy lives on!!!!

Any color you'd like as long as its black.

[XabbaRus]

I thought that would be for the V6 but still I know people with V6 saloons here and they get better mileage.

I must admit the cylinder switch thing is clever.

My car is only a 3 cylinder 1 litre thing. Economy is great but overtaking is a no-no unless you plan it and have a good run. What I need on my car is a selectable turbo that I can engage just for power boosts.

[Tribesman]

Can anyone tell me how that is good?
It is good if compared with other vehicles produced for the US market.
Its crap fuel efficiency compared with vehicles produced for other markets.

[DeerHunter UK]

You also have to remember that a US gallon is smaller (15% if memory serves) than an Imperial gallon.

[Schroeder]

You also have to remember that a US gallon is smaller (15% if memory serves) than an Imperial gallon.
Doesn't matter it's still terrible.:dead:

[TFatseas]

Hmm... I had a 1987 Mercury Grand Marquis with a 302 V8 that pulled the about same mileage as that.

Makes me wonder.

That being said I would still like one.

[CaptainHaplo]

Schroeder - not when you consider a mile is longer than the European kilometer. The combination of distance difference and "gallon size" difference make it fairly decent.

To put it in European terms - it gets 32.82 kpg city, and 48.276 on the highway/motorway.

[Schroeder]

I know Haplo and it is still terrible compared to European/Asian cars.;)

1 US gallon = 3.785 litres
1 (UK) mile = 1.6 km

My 17 year old car can run 100km in a city consuming 7.5 litres of gas.
That gives it a mileage of 31,3 miles/gallon in a city (if I didn't screw up the math).

On a Autobahn it consumes 6.5 litres at a speed of 140 km/h that is ca. 36.25 miles per gallon at a speed of 87 mph.

Remember that thing is 17 years old.
Sure it has a lot less power than the Taurus but on an American public road I'm just as fast as the Taurus (because of the speed limit) and have a much better gas mileage.

[XabbaRus]

Well I get 10 miles to the litre with my car and it has a 40 litre tank.

On a good long run on the motorway I can get better than that.

[AVGWarhawk]

That is about average for a V6 particularly if the curb weight is very high. This vehicle is upwards of 3500#? Or more?

[Tribesman]

Schroeder - not when you consider a mile is longer than the European kilometer. The combination of distance difference and "gallon size" difference make it fairly decent.

To put it in European terms - it gets 32.82 kpg city, and 48.276 on the highway/motorway.

The problem there is that the figures you are putting down as KPG are what people are used to getting as MPG(or better)

That is about average for a V6 particularly if the curb weight is very high. This vehicle is upwards of 3500#? Or more?
Thats a problem with the local market and local regulations, if you have a big lump of metal like that in other countries the manufacturers would ship it with a turbo diesel instead of a petrol engine.
Take Fords best selling American van and their best selling European van for examples, both can take the same loads but one gives both better performance and lower fuel consumption.

[AVGWarhawk]

The problem there is that the figures you are putting down as KPG are what people are used to getting as MPG(or better)


Thats a problem with the local market and local regulations, if you have a big lump of metal like that in other countries the manufacturers would ship it with a turbo diesel instead of a petrol engine.
Take Fords best selling American van and their best selling European van for examples, both can take the same loads but one gives both better performance and lower fuel consumption.

I do not believe America is really ready to accept a diesel openly at present. There are a few certainly. Mostly pick up trucks and to be honest the early attempts at American diesels for cars were not the greatest from what I recall. If it did not pull a tractor trailer the diesel was not that great utilized in a car. I remember the first Rabbit diesels by VW. Darn thing made a racket but it chugged along for hundreds of thousand of miles. Hell, the car body would rust out around the motor and that motor would keep on turning. I do think with todays tech in diesels and specifically VW's version Americans would grow to like them. The Jetta TDI is a great car. Yet we can not get the Passat TDI here in the state. Makes no sense. I do not object to diesels but for every one of my there is 20 others who do not want a diesel. They say the engine smells. So does the fuel and exhaust. The engine sounds like a sewing machine, etc. To some extend they are correct.

[XabbaRus]

Diesel engines are so much better now. Infact you can't always tell if it is a diesel or not.

My dad has a Discovery 3 with a V6 TD engine. Seriously when you rev it it sounds more like a V8 than a V6 diesel.

You Americans should give them a go. You can also get V8 diesels like in the Range Rover sport that give a good bang and no tick tick noise.

[MothBalls]

I was reaing an article on the BBC about it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8249530.stm

This is onething tha made me curious



Can anyone tell me how that is good? and is that for the V6 option. For a V6 that could be realistic but if that is supposed to be the fuel economy for the average normal engined one then that is shocking.

Because it's a full size sedan, not an economy car. Those numbers for a six passenger car really isn't that bad.

Did anyone catch this part?
Ford said the F22 radar technology which they took and built upon was all open source.
I seached sourceforge.net, couldn't find it. Anyone have a link to the SVN? :)

[Tribesman]

Because it's a full size sedan, not an economy car. Those numbers for a six passenger car really isn't that bad.

Well thats easy , go to the Ford UK and Ford US websites and look at the difference in fuel consumption for the full size sedan. You can also compare the Ford economy cars for the US and Euro market and see the difference in those too.

[MothBalls]

Well thats easy , go to the Ford UK and Ford US websites and look at the difference in fuel consumption for the full size sedan. You can also compare the Ford economy cars for the US and Euro market and see the difference in those too.

Apples to oranges.

[Tribesman]

Apples to oranges.
No, its apples to apples.
Since the matter of dispute is fuel consumption in different markets then a comparrison of a large family sedan made by a firm for the US market with a large family sedan made for the european market by the same firm it is a perfect comparrison.
Just as doing the same for an economy car made by the same firm for the two markets is a perfect comparrison

[Prof]

The Jetta TDI is a great car. Yet we can not get the Passat TDI here in the state. Makes no sense.
The problem is that the US emissions standards for NOx are difficult to achieve with a Diesel without spending a lot of money on the exhaust aftertreatment system. New technologies like SCR are helping to an extent, but it all adds cost and complexity to the vehicle.

Current European emissions standards allow higher NOx for Diesel vehicles than for gasoline vehicles, though that will change in the next few years.

[Task Force]

I do not believe America is really ready to accept a diesel openly at present. There are a few certainly. Mostly pick up trucks and to be honest the early attempts at American diesels for cars were not the greatest from what I recall. If it did not pull a tractor trailer the diesel was not that great utilized in a car. I remember the first Rabbit diesels by VW. Darn thing made a racket but it chugged along for hundreds of thousand of miles. Hell, the car body would rust out around the motor and that motor would keep on turning. I do think with todays tech in diesels and specifically VW's version Americans would grow to like them. The Jetta TDI is a great car. Yet we can not get the Passat TDI here in the state. Makes no sense. I do not object to diesels but for every one of my there is 20 others who do not want a diesel. They say the engine smells. So does the fuel and exhaust. The engine sounds like a sewing machine, etc. To some extend they are correct.

... have you looked at the prices of diesel... its higher than the supreme fuel (dont know if they have that in europe.)... lol

[Schroeder]

... have you looked at the prices of diesel... its higher than the supreme fuel (dont know if they have that in europe.)... lol
Yes we have.:D
Over here Diesel is cheaper than gasoline and I don't see any reasons why it should be more expansive (except for that it is rather exotic in the US).

[Prof]

No, its apples to apples.
Since the matter of dispute is fuel consumption in different markets then a comparrison of a large family sedan made by a firm for the US market with a large family sedan made for the european market by the same firm it is a perfect comparrison.
Just as doing the same for an economy car made by the same firm for the two markets is a perfect comparrisonActually, it's more like Bramleys to Granny Smiths. Even though the cars might be roughly the same size and weight, cars in the US are certified on a different driving cycle to cars in the EU. The EU cycle is much less aggressive than the US cycle, so I'd expect that if you took a car and tested it on both cycles, the US cycle would indicate higher fuel consumption.

Still, that doesn't account for the inexcusably bad fuel efficiency of US vehicles.

[AVGWarhawk]

The problem is that the US emissions standards for NOx are difficult to achieve with a Diesel without spending a lot of money on the exhaust aftertreatment system. New technologies like SCR are helping to an extent, but it all adds cost and complexity to the vehicle.

Current European emissions standards allow higher NOx for Diesel vehicles than for gasoline vehicles, though that will change in the next few years.

That I did not know. Let see, we have VW and Mercedes that offers the diesels. I can not think of another other than the domestic car makers but these diesel are offered in pick up trucks. Even if the price was good and NOx standard reduced I believe the acceptance would not be quite there for a while. Personally I would take one. Others though see an electical plug for heating the block and wonder what the heck it is. American's just want to turn and burn. No fuss no muss cars.

[VipertheSniper]

Yes we have.:D
Over here Diesel is cheaper than gasoline and I don't see any reasons why it should be more expansive (except for that it is rather exotic in the US).

The reason why diesel is cheaper than gasoline here is because it's taxed lower than gasoline, because as far as I know producing diesel is actually a more expensive process than making gasoline.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/0/0c/TaurusJudge.gif/400px-TaurusJudge.gif

Wrong thread?

[Tribesman]

The reason why diesel is cheaper than gasoline here is because it's taxed lower than gasoline
It works differently in different countries.
Lower taxation on diesel plus better fuel consuption led to a large switch in some places so the governments hiked duty on diesel to make up for their resulting lower tax reciepts from petrol.
Other governments view it in relation to the proportion of diesel/petrol users who are claiming fuel as tax deductable and adjust their fuel duty accordingly as there is no point taxing something when people can not only claim the fuel tax back but also write off the whole fuel cost as a deductable expense against income and business tax.

Still, that doesn't account for the inexcusably bad fuel efficiency of US vehicles.
There are a lot of factors , the driving cycle you mention is just one , others that are often thrown in are transmission and A/C but both of those you can compare with comparable automatics with all the extras you could possibly contemplate ...none of which accounts for the bad performance of cars on the US market in terms of fuel consumption

[Onkel Neal]

Whoo hoo!! (http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/02/news/companies/ford_results/index.htm?postversion=2009110208) :woot:

[SteamWake]

Whoo hoo!! (http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/02/news/companies/ford_results/index.htm?postversion=2009110208) :woot:

Not a big supprise but good for them.

Some of that profit margin is attributed to the cash for clunkers program.

Now the question is that because Ford choose not to accept stimulus money will the fed's make them give up some of that profit?

After all its not 'fair'.

[AVGWarhawk]

Ford should be there. The Taurus will re-invent the sedan...AGAIN! The Focus is a nice subcompact and the Fusion is a direct poke in the eye for Toyota and Honda. As for the F150...no contest out there.

[SteamWake]

I had a Ford Ranger truck at some point.

Turned me off ford truck products forever. :nope:

Perhaps they are better now but that Ranger was the biggest POS I have ever owned it was rife with issues and constant 'repair'.

Just left a sour taste in my mouth.

[FIREWALL]

Looks are what will sell that car.

[AVGWarhawk]

I had a Ford Ranger truck at some point.

Turned me off ford truck products forever. :nope:

Perhaps they are better now but that Ranger was the biggest POS I have ever owned it was rife with issues and constant 'repair'.

Just left a sour taste in my mouth.

Everyone has had their nightmare at one point or another. Mine was a Chevy Monte Carlo.

[AVGWarhawk]

Looks are what will sell that car.

The Eco-boost will also. Turbo is a great way to get more hp out of a smaller engine but also provides good mpg if you stay out of the turbo. My VW will get 32 mpg hwy. Around town I get 24-25 mpg if I stay out of the turbo. However, if I want to roll the engine offers 211 hp with the turbo working. The Eco-boost in the Ford offers the same deal. However, the Eco-boost has twin turbos and is providing hp/torque like a V8. That will sell a lot of these.