Should Subsim Open a Political Topics Forum?

[GoldenRivet]

Should subsim open a political topics forum so that the General Topics forum can be more dedicated to general topics and not political threads?

[Task Force]

Yes, I say we need to keep politics away from the normal stuff.

[Thomen]

Nope.. sooner or later almost any controversial topic will be infused with politics.
No one is holding a gun to anyones head and forces him or her to peek inside and respond. ;)

Furthermore it would crowd the Radioroom even more.

[Aramike]

Nope.. sooner or later almost any controversial topic will be infused with politics.
No one is holding a gun to anyones head and forces him or her to peek inside and respond. ;)

Furthermore it would crowd the Radioroom even more.Agreed.

[kranz]

I will vote Yes if you vote for porn section :D

[Thomen]

I will vote Yes if you vote for porn section :D

Well.. now there is an idea.. ;)

[Tchocky]

No, I think General Topics fits the bill nicely.

Creating a seperate subforum on the back of the last few weeks will only encourage that kind of posting.

[XabbaRus]

People just have to have some self-restraint and see when the gig is up and that they are annoying the majority of the people who post here and have something interesting to post about.

Those that don't demonstrate self-restraint or are incapable of realising when they have stepped over the line will be warned and if they persist will be given an appropriate infraction.

As Neal said he has a light touch policy but that doesn't mean it can be abused.

[Skybird]

No. "General topics" is already reserved for things not related to any of the other sim-related forums of this site. We could as well ask for a joke-sub-forum. A history sub-forum. And a sub-forum for curious cat's treads and the like (which I find to be the most idiotic of all threads running here). But I keep it simple. Instead of demanding a cat-subforum - I simply don't read those threads, and others as well if I am not interested in them by their headline.

If you specialise forums like that, what need is left to have a general topics forum then? GT already is for stuff not fitting into the site-/sim-/game-related forums.

As Xabba already said, people must think twice before posting, and make sure that the place gets not crowded with one and the same kind of threads. The recent wave of ideologic third person's chain-email threads were nothing else but spamming, and simply acchieved what they wanted: despite being closed, they brought their message over, closed or not. Such things should not be tolerated, but deleted. that is no censorship, but protection and enforcing of well-known board policies forbidding spamming.

[Melonfish]

there are far to many political types on here, lets not pour petrol on em eh?

[Rilder]

I will vote Yes if you vote for porn section :D

I vote for at least a SubSim Babe Thread.

[SteamWake]

Yes, I say we need to keep politics away from the normal stuff.

That was the intention for General Topics...

Just be glad Neal lets us discuss politics at all.

This aint the first poll on this topic :yep:

[Fincuan]

I vote for a "Chain emails only" forum, or at minimun a thread. That would keep the **** out of sight and the more sensible political discussion still accessible.

[Carotio]

In the mod section, one is encouraged to use something like [REL] in the topic title, when releasing a mod.
We could encourage the users to use [POL] in the title. That way, all users would know that this is a political discussion thread, and he/she can either choose to read it or avoid it.

So how about that? [POL] for topic titles instead of a new sub forum?

[Skybird]

Already tried, 2 or 3 years ago. I marked some threads like that, but almost nobody cared to copy the idea.

[AVGWarhawk]

Lets vote on it like the political process:o:hmmm::timeout::shifty:

[Frame57]

People just have to have some self-restraint and see when the gig is up and that they are annoying the majority of the people who post here and have something interesting to post about.

Those that don't demonstrate self-restraint or are incapable of realising when they have stepped over the line will be warned and if they persist will be given an appropriate infraction.

As Neal said he has a light touch policy but that doesn't mean it can be abused.
No! I just think that people like you are afraid of free speech. People here have a CHOICE get it, to either read or not read a post and reply accordingly. Funny it seems that political posts here get the most traffic which refutes your opinion as to what is interesting or not. You sir have a bad problem with closing threads that do no appeal to you and have offended no one. Keep up the good work....NOT!

[Tchocky]

SUBSIM is not supposed to be a free speech zone.

I mean, 1939, Munich, Big Brother and all that, but it's Neal's house we're in. Even if GT is more like playing marbles in the dust outside (granted, I barely post anywhere else).

[Skybird]

Xabba is imo a very good moderator we have here, cutting things short where needed, but staying in the background where possible. We owe him thanks for doing a very good job.

Challenging moderator's policies in public and attacking them, can win persons some brig time and even a banning, since moderators do not run their personal agenda, but should enforce compliance with forum rules where these get violated or ignored, and thus their rules and forum rules are one and the same. forum rules are not open to debate - you either comply, or you leave, or you get kicked, period. I read in the fine print black on white that attacks on the moderators is a no-no. If somebody has a problem with a mod, approach him in PMs, or present your complaint to the admin. Do not try to undermine his authority by public attacks and stabs from behind.

Keep on the good work, Xabba, and thanks for your efforts! :up:

[Wolfehunter]

I say no. There is enough room here in the general discussion thread to rant and rave hehehe. :up:

[porphy]

No. Just let the "copy and paste + insert oneliner" and "I read this and I'm upset + one link" spam die from no attention.
Post your own non-political topics, or contribute to other kind of topics yourself in order to dilute the rubbish. If people complaining about the trash posting came up with more of their own topics, which they find worthwhile or interesting, it would be all good.

cheers porphy

[AVGWarhawk]

Fine line and both have a valid point (Xabba and Frame). However, Frame needs a bit more tact! Anyway, yes, people should recognize when they are rubbing folks the wrong way with continuing in any particular thread. Specifically when a multitude of people are chiming in about it. Frame is correct also that folks do not need to read it. Move on to something else. It is a two way street.

As far as Xabba, GT is the toughest forum to moderate. Period! There is such a multitude of personalities from all over the world that it is surprising there is not more head banging with disagreements. So, before anyone states how things should go and what needs to be done concerning moderation of the GT forum, step in the shoes first starting on a Friday night when the moon is full and everyone has been drinking. :o Break out your refs whistle and see how ya do:03: Keep up the good work Xabba.

[Aramike]

In the mod section, one is encouraged to use something like [REL] in the topic title, when releasing a mod.
We could encourage the users to use [POL] in the title. That way, all users would know that this is a political discussion thread, and he/she can either choose to read it or avoid it.

So how about that? [POL] for topic titles instead of a new sub forum?It's a good idea, but I don't think it's necessary. It's pretty easy to know you're entering a political thread when looking at most titles. And, if you get duped in, you're never more than a press of the "Back Button" away.

[Sailor Steve]

Same here. I wouldn't mind seeing one, but voted 'No' anyway as I think it's unnecessary.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Yes. 1000 times yes. The political spammers would get so much less gratification that way.

It should at the very least be tried, IMO.

PD

[Arclight]

As far as Xabba, GT is the toughest forum to moderate. Period!Hear hear! That's one job I don't envie. ;)

I tend to avoid GT because of the political stuff, usually it's about US politics anyway so I can't possibly form an argument either way. Splitting of the politics would make it more "accesible", but would in the end only clutter the place up, I guess. :hmmm:

[Platapus]

Instead of a forum based on topic, could we have a separate forum where all posts from "certain" individuals go automatically?

:D

[Takeda Shingen]

Instead of a forum based on topic, could we have a separate forum where all posts from "certain" individuals go automatically?

:D

We could just call it 'Hell'. Instead of being banned you can only read and post to that forum.

[Dowly]

We could just call it 'Hell'. Instead of being banned you can only read and post to that forum.

Can we have heaven then too? Where only boobie threads would be allowed? :hmmm:

[Stealth Hunter]

Yes.

Hey- I tied the poll!:haha:

[Letum]

We would have a better GT section with one, but the forum already has too
many sections and we can't justify another one that isn't even about subsims.

[Fincuan]

If the Ignore-function also worked on threads started by "certain individuals" this wouldn't be a problem at all. Now it only works on single posts, so all those threads still litter the list even if I didn't want to know anything about them.

edit: And I also vote for more selective use of stickies in the Subsim-part. Currently 18(!) stickies in the SH4-forum, which is almost half of the threads shown on the first page by default.

[goldorak]

Yes. 1000 times yes. The political spammers would get so much less gratification that way.

It should at the very least be tried, IMO.

PD


^^^ what he said.
Having a dedicated political sub-section makes moderating more easy, and renders the off topic section/general section a little more ordered.

[Castout]

There's no need to be allergic to posts related to politics.

Politics is just a part of life just like the economy, military and social issues.

For example the total war center forum provides separate forums for discussing politics(two in fact:Political academy and political mudpits); for discussing ethics, morals, religion and philosophy; arts and; history.

In less than free and totalitarian countries its people are not allowed to talk about its politician and not allowed to voice a concern or voice a dissenting or opposing views. I just think civil society could benefit from a population which is aware of political issues in their own country and abroad. Talking politics(and participating in it) hence becomes one of the sign of civil liberty.

[ETR3(SS)]

I vote no. And why bring up a poll about something in which you have said you are done posting in?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=155394

[AVGWarhawk]

Can we have heaven then too? Where only boobie threads would be allowed? :hmmm:


Neal, make Dowly a moderator :D

[Onkel Neal]

edit: And I also vote for more selective use of stickies in the Subsim-part. Currently 18(!) stickies in the SH4-forum, which is almost half of the threads shown on the first page by default.

What?? :o I didn't know there were that many, we will need to do some housekeeping.

[Dowly]

What?? :o I didn't know there were that many, we will need to do some houseleeping.

ROFL! It's grown abit since your last visit then. :haha:

[antikristuseke]

ROFL! It's grown abit since your last visit then. :haha:

Thats what she said!:doh:

[Dowly]

Thats what she said!:doh:

:har:

[August]

Instead of a forum based on topic, could we have a separate forum where all posts from "certain" individuals go automatically?

:D


Yeah we could put up a banner on the link to it "Posting Macht Frei"... :DL

[geetrue]

there are far to many political types on here, lets not pour petrol on em eh?

I vote for at least a SubSim Babe Thread.

That was the intention for General Topics...

Just be glad Neal lets us discuss politics at all.

This aint the first poll on this topic :yep:

In the mod section, one is encouraged to use something like [REL] in the topic title, when releasing a mod.
We could encourage the users to use [POL] in the title. That way, all users would know that this is a political discussion thread, and he/she can either choose to read it or avoid it.

So how about that? [POL] for topic titles instead of a new sub forum?

I say no. There is enough room here in the general discussion thread to rant and rave hehehe. :up:

It's a good idea, but I don't think it's necessary. It's pretty easy to know you're entering a political thread when looking at most titles. And, if you get duped in, you're never more than a press of the "Back Button" away.

We could just call it 'Hell'. Instead of being banned you can only read and post to that forum.

We would have a better GT section with one, but the forum already has too
many sections and we can't justify another one that isn't even about subsims.

Agreed: But I have an idea ... we need a better way to decide what your thinking where you can swing the pendulum from left to right and back again decided by you in your post on any polictcal thread.

It's really a smiley pendulum that you click on and insert in your post on which way you lean on this particular subject.

I call it swing the pendulum ... if you don't agree with health care for example just swing the pendulum to what you do agree on.

Your making some of these threads too personal, but I understand where your coming from ...

I just really wonder what would happen if some of you had to spend 90 days at sea together :salute:

[Jimbuna]

I just really wonder what would happen if some of you had to spend 90 days at sea together :salute:


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[ETR3(SS)]

I just really wonder what would happen if some of you had to spend 90 days at sea together :salute: I talk with people everyday and wonder that too. :haha: And don't forget it's 90 days at sea with little outside communication too. Oh and Geetrue, what boomer were you on?