SH3/GWX 3 Gold veteran wants to try SH4 ATO and need help

[jaxa]

Hello Kameraden
I'm a user of SH3/GWX3 Gold (fantastic work, one of the best addon ever made for computer game).
Waiting for new SHV I'd like to try something with better graphic than GWX, but I'm a noob in SH4. After reading this thread I've downloaded Operation Monsun Addon v705, OMv705_to_v712 patch with Hotfix 1 and OMEGU_v200.
Is it complete pack for playing instead of GWX 3?

PS. What about 1.5 patch for SH4 ATO? I've found only 1.4.

[Captain von Keldunk]

"PS. What about 1.5 patch for SH4 ATO? I've found only 1.4." @jaxa
Do you mean patch 1.5 for SH4, it is SH4 UBM upgrade.:06:
Operation Monsun Addon works only with SH4 U-BOAT MISSIONS = UBM.:yep:

[jaxa]

OK. it's clear for me now. I have SH4 and Uboat Missions Addon.
What about another necessary addons?

[Captain von Keldunk]

Hello:DL
This is what I have activated
RSRDC_SH15_V401
RSRDC_V410_Patch2B
OpsMonsun_V705
OMv705_to_V712
OM_V712_Hotfix1
Eye Patch for Stock
Sh3toSh4.V3_RSRDC_OM
SH4_1.5_ Uboat_freeCamFix
Scene
This way I can play US and Axis side in same install, German/English speech
too.:D
About Scene it is my patch to Sh3toSh4.V3_RSRDC_OM that I am testing
Should make sea less transparent.
Instead of Sh3toSh4.V3_RSRDC_OM you can use Omegu200.:woot:

[jaxa]

I want to play only German side as U-boot commander, I've played as American commander many years ago using Silent Service II, after that no game about American submarines was attractive for me.

I've installed OM patched to v712 and OMEGU200 over it and it looks good. I have to learn how to command Uboot, because SH3/GWX was completely different. The biggest bug for me is crew of shadows on deck using artillery.

[Captain von Keldunk]

Luck to your U-boat patrols with om and omegu200 :up: about " crew of shadows", I have no idea.:06:

[Wilcke]

I want to play only German side as U-boot commander, I've played as American commander many years ago using Silent Service II, after that no game about American submarines was attractive for me.

I've installed OM patched to v712 and OMEGU200 over it and it looks good. I have to learn how to command Uboot, because SH3/GWX was completely different. The biggest bug for me is crew of shadows on deck using artillery.

Posting a pic of my gun crew on the Type VII.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e294/tascaso/SH4Img2009-09-03_193411_609.jpg

Here is my active mod list.

Rel_SH4_Trans-Atlantic_Radio
Setup Trans-Atlantic Radio and BBC
OpsMonsun_V705
OMv705_to_V712
OM_V712_Hotfix1
OMEGU_v200
OMEGU_v200_Patch1

[Reece]

Hi Captain von Keldunk, I am about to give OM a try, could you please elaborate on the following:

RSRDC_SH15_V401
RSRDC_V410_Patch2B
Sh3toSh4.V3_RSRDC_OM

I have installed so far OM v7.12 with hotfix, OMEGA v2 with Patch 1, I am not familiar with SH4, and there are many mods, thanks for any advise.:yep:
Reece.

@ jaxa, this could be interesting!!:salute:

[karamazovnew]

I'm using OM on top of RFB with RSRD. Works like a charm for both theaters. GWX can be compared with RFB and TMO, but not with OM. What OM does is amazing, there are lots of issues to be ironed out but as it is, it can keep you busy until SH5 comes out. And the graphics are... :o

[jaxa]

Hi Captain von Keldunk, I am about to give OM a try, could you please elaborate on the following:

RSRDC_SH15_V401
RSRDC_V410_Patch2B
Sh3toSh4.V3_RSRDC_OM

I have installed so far OM v7.12 with hotfix, OMEGA v2 with Patch 1, I am not familiar with SH4, and there are many mods, thanks for any advise.:yep:
Reece.

@ jaxa, this could be interesting!!:salute:


Hi Reece! Nice to speak to you at this subforum, old friend :-)

I've decided to try SH4 ATO for better graphic - want to see similar graphic to incoming SH5, SH3 has too old engine as you know.
I've installed only two big mods, only for ATO, you can see them in my sig. Now I try to familiar with SH4 game engine - it's new for me.
I hope to play some interesting careers until SH5 arriving.
Good hunting with SH4 ATO, Kamerad!

[Reece]

Good hunting with SH4 ATO, Kamerad!Cheers mate!:up:

[Sailor Steve]

Hi Captain von Keldunk, I am about to give OM a try, could you please elaborate on the following:

RSRDC_SH15_V401
RSRDC_V410_Patch2B
Sh3toSh4.V3_RSRDC_OM

I have installed so far OM v7.12 with hotfix, OMEGA v2 with Patch 1, I am not familiar with SH4, and there are many mods, thanks for any advise.:yep:
Reece.

@ jaxa, this could be interesting!!:salute:
RSRDC is the Run Silent, Run Deep Campaign. It changes all the Japanese convoys and task forces to a more historical configuration. It's mainly for the Fleet Boat side of things, but if you plan on campaigning one of the Monsun boats it will make it more accurate. If you plan on staying in the Atlantic I don't think you need it.

[Captain von Keldunk]

Hi Captain von Keldunk, I am about to give OM a try, could you please elaborate on the following:

RSRDC_SH15_V401
RSRDC_V410_Patch2B
Sh3toSh4.V3_RSRDC_OM

I have installed so far OM v7.12 with hotfix, OMEGA v2 with Patch 1, I am not familiar with SH4, and there are many mods, thanks for any advise.:yep:
Reece.

@ jaxa, this could be interesting!!:salute:
Sh3toSh4.V3_RSRDC_OM
It is a bit like omegu but for both U-boats and fleetboats.
Run Silent, Run Deep, the Campaign” (RSRDC) is a major rewrite of the campaign layers of SH4. lurkers us side fleetboat mod
Sh3toSh4.V3_RSRDC_OM I try to bring SH3 like enviroment and feeling to SH4, + sh3 music sh3 german speec, + water streams + diesel exhaust + ship rocking, also IXA sub with fore and aft deck gun + flag.( I admit not 100% realistic,a bit like german version of narwhal).
For US side Fleet boats, tweaked water streams , diesel exhaust, ship rocking,
.Uboats have a bell, and German Speech. Fleetboats a klaxon, and English Speech.
Subsim tread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=150313

[Reece]

Thanks, that explains it well,:up: the list you show in post #4 is the JSGME activation order I assume!
Edit: Also I looked everywhere but cannot find RSRDC_V410_Patch2B

[Captain von Keldunk]

Thanks, that explains it well,:up: the list you show in post #4 is the JSGME activation order I assume!
Edit: Also I looked everywhere but cannot find RSRDC_V410_Patch2B
Sorry I had wrong patch installed, use RSRDC_V401_Patch2.7z:DL

[Reece]

Thanks!:up:

[Captain von Keldunk]

How to get IXA with bow and stern gun + flag.
Campaign = September 1st 1939.
Base = 2nd Flotilla.
Submarine = Type IX U-boat.
Using Stern gun:
How IXA Stern-gun works: But crew to Stern-gun slots(3) in crew management screen,(Press del to remove user interface if needed)
then press "Man the AA gun button". :DL
http://www.pix8.net/pro/pic/22671f80ce/1134933.jpg

[Reece]

@ Captain von Keldunk, have got the following installed in the order shown, many files are overwritten so hope I got it right,:yep: not run the game yet!:oops:

RSRDC_SH15_V401
RSRDC_V410_Patch2
OpsMonsun_V705
OMv705_to_V712
OM_V712_Hotfix1
Sh3toSh4.V3_RSRDC_OM

[jaxa]

Posting a pic of my gun crew on the Type VII.
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e294/tascaso/SH4Img2009-09-03_193411_609.jpg

Here is my active mod list.

Rel_SH4_Trans-Atlantic_Radio
Setup Trans-Atlantic Radio and BBC
OpsMonsun_V705
OMv705_to_V712
OM_V712_Hotfix1
OMEGU_v200
OMEGU_v200_Patch1

Yes, it's possible manually man by man. But what about "crew to deck gun" button, like in SH3?

[Captain von Keldunk]

To reece: looks OK to me.:DL
To jaxa/reece: When you dive you should remove deck crew
to inside ship slots, because if there is depth charge attack deck crew will
die or get injured.:yep: So in SH4 you need to move crew manually, but
you do not need to worry about crew getting tired, crew watch changes are automatic.:DL
"crew to deck gun" button or Crew to AA gun button works if you have crew in right crew slots,

[Reece]

Well Jaxa, after 3 days and SH4 rebooting my system twice plus still so many bugs I give up, quite disappointing,:x back to SH3!!:up:

[lurker_hlb3]

Well Jaxa, after 3 days and SH4 rebooting my system twice plus still so many bugs I give up, quite disappointing,:x back to SH3!!:up:


So what are these "bugs" your so "peeved" about ?

[Reece]

For one, in the type IID in the nav school I right clicked on the "Interior Aft" and all I get is a full green screen, right click again and back to command room, I pressed the "S" key from the exterior and the speech says "Snorkel not available", however in the control room pressing "S" the speech is "Surface", may be by design but not consistent, another thing is I was on the exterior and pressed "P", the speech responded ok but nothing happened, went to control room and worked, later tried with external view and worked, the biggest pain though is the reboots, the second time I ended up with HDD Index errors so had to fix that. Don't think much of the volumetric fog, in the early hours of the morning moving around the fog is like it's painted on, not that this is a bug just not nice. Not having a go at your mod Lurker just disappointed overall.:oops: There is still a lot of problems with the sound, the piping in the morning is ok on a US boat but not a u-boat, I noticed that when on the bridge and I move from left to right I get the blocks appearing at the edges.:doh: The boat almost takes off and the crew are constantly appearing and disappearing on the bridge, also read other post on things such as having to take the crew off manually when diving or the could all be killed, thing is SH3 works, may not be the greatest graphically but I don't get reboots etc!!:03:

[Kromus]

Using these mods:

TriggerMaru_Overhaul_17
RSRDC_TMOv170_V411
RSRDC_V411_Patch2
OpsMonsun_V705
OMv705_to_712
OM_v712_Hotfix1
OMEGU_v200
------------------
3 smaller ones, I found them long ago

Reduced Floaters
Smaller Seabed Rocks
Smaller Sea Plants

Everything runs fine, just edited "scene.dat" because of fog (used original values and edited a bit waves, subs don`t fly so much) and removed all "*.sim" from "Submarine" folder from "OMEGU_v200" because subs are elevating too much with them even at 5 m/s weather

[jaxa]

I'm going back to GWX 3 too - less bugs and much better atmosphere.
I hope SH5 will be well done, better than SH4 ATO.

[lurker_hlb3]

Everything runs fine, just edited "scene.dat" because of fog (used original values and edited a bit waves, subs don`t fly so much) and removed all "*.sim" from "Submarine" folder from "OMEGU_v200" because subs are elevating too much with them even at 5 m/s weather

Thanks for the input

[Kromus]

I'm going back to GWX 3 too - less bugs and much better atmosphere.
I hope SH5 will be well done, better than SH4 ATO.

No offense really, but only "bug" here seems to be your computer...

If majority of ppl here can play them w/o any issues then problem is definately not the fanmade mods or SH4.

These guys are doing amazing jobs and I didn`t encounter any serious bugs/problems in any mods I wrote in my previous post.
And they are all big mods with great efforts put into so biatching about them is simply "not right" (they all work, I simply hate is someone tear down something that actually WORKS)...
And yes, you can call me a fanboi because I simply am of anyone who puts so much effort into mod that makes game MUCH better and does it for FREE.

P.S: If your computer can`t handle SH4 don`t even think about SH5...

[Reece]

Considering the amount of bugs SH4 has I think those using it have a lot of patience, and modders such as Lurker have done a marvelous job in getting around them, but it is a battle, I just don't have the patience and my computer obviously doesn't either,:oops: hopefully the work that has been done by the GWX4 team is donated to modders such as Lurker to use!:yep:

[Captain von Keldunk]

Considering the amount of bugs SH4 has I think those using it have a lot of patience, and modders such as Lurker have done a marvelous job in getting around them, but it is a battle, I just don't have the patience and my computer obviously doesn't either,:oops: hopefully the work that has been done by the GWX4 team is donated to modders such as Lurker to use!:yep:
Do not worry it is not you or your comp, even GWX team failed,:cry:
Real reason is SH4 Curse, it started with narwhal and now affects whole of SH4,:wah:
Maybe it could bring down SH5 too:timeout:

[Sledgehammer427]

now now, the Narwhal's coming along nicely.:up:
GWX didn't fail, they just couldn't meet what we wanted with what they had.
and SH5 will have it's problems, but it seems the devs are making it more modding-friendly

[Sailor Steve]

GWX didn't fail, they just couldn't meet what we wanted with what they had.
Not even that. It looks like a large part of what was being worked on for GWX4 will work with SH5, which means that both being released at about the same time would make GWX4 redundant.

[Wilcke]

Well Jaxa, after 3 days and SH4 rebooting my system twice plus still so many bugs I give up, quite disappointing,:x back to SH3!!:up:

Been running SH4 with Operation Monsun since Lurker released V100 to the present version, not one reboot, BSOD, hangup, fart or burp ever.

I just want to put that out there as there are hundreds of happy customers stalking the Atlantic and Indian Ocean.

[jaxa]

No offense really, but only "bug" here seems to be your computer...

If majority of ppl here can play them w/o any issues then problem is definately not the fanmade mods or SH4.

These guys are doing amazing jobs and I didn`t encounter any serious bugs/problems in any mods I wrote in my previous post.
And they are all big mods with great efforts put into so biatching about them is simply "not right" (they all work, I simply hate is someone tear down something that actually WORKS)...
And yes, you can call me a fanboi because I simply am of anyone who puts so much effort into mod that makes game MUCH better and does it for FREE.

P.S: If your computer can`t handle SH4 don`t even think about SH5...

I have respect for guys making mods for SH4, they made big work and honor to them. Everybody has own opinion about this game, in my opinion SH3/GWX has unique atmosphere, which takes me to WW2 times better than SH4 ATO. I hope SH5 will have it (I'd like to), but I think that GWX team will have to spend many times on it.
Cheers

PS. You have right, It's necessary to buy a new graphic card for SH5 - I use ATI X1950Pro now and SH4 doesn't play as smoothly as GWX.

[Kromus]

PS. You have right, It's necessary to buy a new graphic card for SH5 - I use ATI X1950Pro now and SH4 doesn't play as smoothly as GWX.

Just a friendly hint, since you wrote brand of your GC, you should seriously think about building new computer from the scratch, otherwise you will be in trouble, 3 years old rig won`t do miracles here - 01/02/2007 was release date of your GC (I suppose you built/bought computer at same time at you bought your GC).
I`m using Q6600, 4GB, 280GTX and I`m not sure if that will be enough for fluid gameplay (I`m thinking about 295 because of this, but I suppose I do full upgrage to i7 and everything by the end of 2010)

So if you want really to enjoy SH5 consider also full upgrade (I know money is problem but since you are big fan of this game series you should do everything to enjoy it fullest :up: ), otherwise it will be your next disappointment :cry:.

Edit: My bad, release date was 09/11/2006 i was looking at x1950 XT.

[skwasjer]

Considering the amount of bugs SH4 has I think those using it have a lot of patience, and modders such as Lurker have done a marvelous job in getting around them, but it is a battle, I just don't have the patience and my computer obviously doesn't either,:oops: hopefully the work that has been done by the GWX4 team is donated to modders such as Lurker to use!:yep:

Don't get me started on SH3-bugs, lol! I don't know why you look so down on SH4 because frankly there's no reason to. SH4 was buggy at game launch. So was SH3. Patches fixed most issues but not all for both games. Mods fixed more issues, but not all for both games. You can have a blast with current SH4-mods as many of us do. If you are experiencing crashes, it's your hardware... just because you can play SH3 or other games fine doesn't mean it's SH4... really... ;) 2 months ago I started getting reboots myself in some games but not all... problem? GFX8800 was in process of dying and only exhibited problems during specific system loads. In the end it failed comlpetely. New card now, no problem @ all. I read somehwere else you had hdd-errors and had reset errors where your system failed to reboot, but it's too silly to blame that on SH4.

[dcb]

@Reece,
HDD errors and sudden reset can also be signs of a defective power source IMO. Earlier this year, I experienced strange HDD errors, with clean zip archives going defective when I moved them from one HDD to another. I fiddled a little with the configuration of power cables inside the computer, I moved HDDs in various power cable configurations and the problem disappeared. I don't know what your system config is, but I would advice you first to dust it very well (dust accumulation is a killer, you know?) with a hairdryer or vaccum cleaner on mild reverse, then check your power cables to see if they make contact allright, and if things still go wrong, try a stronger power source.
I have a 600 W Spire in my system and still feel it's not enough. A lot of people tend to disconsider the importance of having quality power run through their computer, and power sources sometimes don't go away in a puff. They take some time to die and meanwhile their parameters keep worsening. Eventually, they might even destroy a more valuable component inside your system.

[Kromus]

@Reece,
HDD errors and sudden reset can also be signs of a defective power source IMO. Earlier this year, I experienced strange HDD errors, with clean zip archives going defective when I moved them from one HDD to another. I fiddled a little with the configuration of power cables inside the computer, I moved HDDs in various power cable configurations and the problem disappeared. I don't know what your system config is, but I would advice you first to dust it very well (dust accumulation is a killer, you know?) with a hairdryer or vaccum cleaner on mild reverse, then check your power cables to see if they make contact allright, and if things still go wrong, try a stronger power source.
I have a 600 W Spire in my system and still feel it's not enough. A lot of people tend to disconsider the importance of having quality power run through their computer, and power sources sometimes don't go away in a puff. They take some time to die and meanwhile their parameters keep worsening. Eventually, they might even destroy a more valuable component inside your system.

Very nice input and very true.
I`ve just bought Enermax Infinity 720, going to install it tommorow so wish me luck :P (had Enermax 620 for about 2 years - no problems computer runs like a charm, not a single blue screen/reboot on Vista which I`m using about a year).

Even that last, let`s say 15 years, dumbed down requirements of technical knowledge of PC users (anyone remember old MS-DOS times? Blinking cursor and black screen (CD, RD, MD, Dir etc. commands). Or Norton Commander? :D, later DOS Navigator), it`s stil a machine you need at least minimum knowledge how to use it...

So for all of those who are having problems not just with SH4 but any other games, software or computer itself, try to search for someone who understands computers. You will get much better experience when playing games that don`t work as they should or don`t work at all. Just let him look at it and he will probably fix it...

And if everything else fails then there`s still a magic formula - Console gaming :03:

@dcb: for cleaning im using this http://www.westech.sk/?cls=stoitem&stiid=13019

[dcb]

I`ve just bought Enermax Infinity 720, going to install it tommorow so wish me luck :P

Well... Good Luck!:D

anyone remember old MS-DOS times? Blinking cursor and black screen (CD, RD, MD, Dir etc. commands). Or Norton Commander? :D, later DOS Navigator), it`s stil a machine you need at least minimum knowledge how to use it...

I certainly do. I started back in '88 with an Atari computer (dead brand now) and got my first PC XT in '92, so I know pretty well the prehistory. And I'm still using Total Commander with the background set to blue, so it looks like old Norton Commander. I didn't like DOS navigator, though. Anyway, I agree with you that everybody should learn how to build a computer from scratch and understand what's inside, if he wants to make it work to full capacity and avoid a lot of trouble later.

@dcb: for cleaning im using this http://www.westech.sk/?cls=stoitem&stiid=13019

I'm using my wife's hairdryer. Best tool for the job!
:rotfl:

[Reece]

@ dcb, I ruled out power supply etc because I have a lot of other games that I play such as Crysis & Far Cry 2 with absolutely no problems at all, however I do have an initial reset problem that could be the power supply, the game problem though I'm starting to think is may be in OM nav training school, both resets occurred there, the second near way point 6, could some one else give it a go, help rule it out!:hmmm:
Cheers.

[lurker_hlb3]

@ I'm starting to think is may be in OM nav training school



I don't think so !!

[Reece]

I don't think so !!This is a positive response for you, I hope it is, that's a positive response for me,:D I would just love to know the problem,:yep: since I had to re-ghost the game is not on, I might ghost my system then install and test with stock 1.5 nav training mission to see if there is a problem still. I had all the graphics set to max, there are so many options there, also had video set to 1440x900, I have a Creative X-fi Xtreme sound card installed, maybe SH4 doesn't like that, if anyone has any ideas please let me know.:DL
Thanks.

[Captain von Keldunk]

This is a positive response for you, I hope it is, that's a positive response for me,:D I would just love to know the problem,:yep: since I had to re-ghost the game is not on, I might ghost my system then install and test with stock 1.5 nav training mission to see if there is a problem still. I had all the graphics set to max, there are so many options there, also had video set to 1440x900, I have a Creative X-fi Xtreme sound card installed, maybe SH4 doesn't like that, if anyone has any ideas please let me know.:DL
Thanks.
Play US side to see if you have CTD´s or not.with your mods installed:hmmm:

[skwasjer]

I'll rule it out for you: hardware/driver issue...

Run a benchmark for GPU/CPU/MEM/HDD for at least 20-30 mins and see if your system likes it... Backup before you do though because when you have a pending problem, a stresstest usually makes it worse :D

[Reece]

Thanks Skwas, 3Dmark06 do? I have that, will try now. Don't know of any other.:hmmm:
Play US side to see if you have CTD´s or not.with your mods installed:hmmm:Might try that later!

Edit: I just ran 3Dmark06 through 3 times without a hitch, Video card got to 49 degrees C and the CPU to 38 degrees C, took half an hour, BTW best score was 9149!

[Kromus]

Sorry for offtopic (will be the last one)

Well... Good Luck!:D


Thanks, just finished install and it`s working :) (When I turn off computer it still powers computer fans to cool down hardware, I really like it)


I certainly do. I started back in '88 with an Atari computer (dead brand now) and got my first PC XT in '92, so I know pretty well the prehistory. And I'm still using Total Commander with the background set to blue, so it looks like old Norton Commander. I didn't like DOS navigator, though. Anyway, I agree with you that everybody should learn how to build a computer from scratch and understand what's inside, if he wants to make it work to full capacity and avoid a lot of trouble later.


My first computer was Atari 800 XL back in '86 (I was 6 years old). I still have it packed up somewhere :O:

Well I didn`t mean actually --everything-- about computers just to know basics about using them :). So ppl would have idea what went wrong.