[WIP] IJN Naval rockets

[keltos01]

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6883/sharksrocketlauncher.jpg (http://img10.imageshack.us/i/sharksrocketlauncher.jpg/)

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=154650

Nautilus42 made a ship with a rocket launcher, maybe we could implement it in the IJN Campaign in 2 types if he agrees to let us use it:

Surface to Surface

Surface to Air

They Had the latter in 1944 aboard their capital ships and reported that they worked well :

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8074/rockets.jpg (http://img198.imageshack.us/i/rockets.jpg/)

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4895/rocketsp2.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/rocketsp2.jpg/)

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4619/rocketsp3.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/i/rocketsp3.jpg/)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/8344/features.jpg

http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary_documents/gvt_reports/USNAVY/USNTMJ%20Reports/USNTMJ-200E-0035-0043%20Report%200-09.pdf

http://www.ipmsusa2.org/Reviews/Kits/Ships/hasegawa_700_ise/has_700_ise1.jpg

http://www.ipmsusa2.org/Reviews/Kits/Ships/hasegawa_700_ise/has_700_ise23.jpg
http://www.ipmsusa2.org/Reviews/Kits/Ships/hasegawa_700_ise/hasegawa_700_ise.htm

above : Battleship ISE 1944 : notice the 3 rocket launchers near the stern

color MOVIE : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5znKeTCI28w&feature=PlayList&p=E753BB10328C8319&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=30
wreck of ISE at Kure rockets visible at 2'50''



Originally Posted by Silverwolf http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1148394#post1148394)
The way I had designed the launcher was to be surface to surface. I didn't really think it would work well trying to attack an aircraft with it.


Do you have any clue as how to make such rockets ?

The ones the IJN had would fire straight in the air and explode at a set altitude, Carriers had them, so did theirs largest ships.

http://www.pacificwrecks.com/restore/japan/yasukuni/20mm-rocket-side.jpg

if there are air to ship rockets in FOTRS there should be ship to air rockets in the IJN Campaign Mod ;)



keltos

[keltos01]

come on Silverwolf !

help me with this please !

keltos

[Silverwolf]

Well how to make them explode in mid-air I'm not sure if there's a way to do that with the conventional amunition. However I can take a look at the depth charges and see how they are detonated. Maybe those could be used if they can be worked with.

[peabody]

Well how to make them explode in mid-air I'm not sure if there's a way to do that with the conventional amunition. However I can take a look at the depth charges and see how they are detonated. Maybe those could be used if they can be worked with.

If the IJN just went to a certain height as Keltos says, couldn't they be made as AA shells which don't need to hit anything to explode?

Peabody

[keltos01]

that would be good enough wouldn't it ?

the thing to take into account is the explosive charge of the rockets and change the shell accordingly, it should do more damage :)

can we link a smoke trail effect to really make it look like MLRS fring ?

keltos

[AOTD_MadMax]

Hi Keltos,

i have a some questions about these Rockets.

Against which Targets are they used ? Ships or Planes ?
It should not be an problem to make them fly against ships ore planes.
You can find all things you need in the Mod ive made for you.

If they should explode in the Air, declare them as AA Munition.
The Trailsmoke is already done in the Rockets for the US-Planes.
You can Copy the Nodes with S3D to your new Rocket-modell.

I declared the Rockets from the planes as AA-guns, so they shoot in a short Range.
If they should fired from a long distance, you must declare them as an Maingun.
If you will send me the 3D Modells, i can make them run for you.

Greets

Maddy

[keltos01]

[quote=AOTD_MadMax;1149974]Hi Keltos,

i have a some questions about these Rockets.

Against which Targets are they used ? Ships or Planes ?
ship to ground
ship to air


It should not be an problem to make them fly against ships ore planes.
You can find all things you need in the Mod ive made for you.
cool ! :)
If they should explode in the Air, declare them as AA Munition.

some should : the ones that equip (will equip) the carriers at the end of the war, you should use that too btw !

The Trailsmoke is already done in the Rockets for the US-Planes.
You can Copy the Nodes with S3D to your new Rocket-modell.
thanks ! credits will be given as usual
I declared the Rockets from the planes as AA-guns, so they shoot in a short Range.
If they should fired from a long distance, you must declare them as an Maingun.
If you will send me the 3D Modells, i can make them run for you.
I will, but not today, in the coming days sure :)

thanks

keltos
Greets

Maddy

[AOTD_MadMax]

Hi Mate,

its done, only the animated Sailer should be added to the Rocketlauncher but i think i got it today.
Now they are declared as an AA Gun and they shoot in a range wich is declared in the CFG-File for AA-Guns.
The Shells are AA-Shells, they explode in the Air but the Rockets are not fast enough to hit an fast fighter-plane.
You can make the Rockets faster but thats looks horrible.

I will post some Pics in the next posting !

Greets

Maddy

[AOTD_MadMax]

Hiho,

so here you can see the first try of these Rockets and the Launcher.

I took the Rocketrack from the Planes and mounted it on an Gunnerplatform.
I think thats not the right Design but this is easy reworked.

http://www.aotd-flottille.de/FOTRS/Bilder6/ShipRocket1.jpg

Here you can see the Rockets fly just a millisecond after firing !

http://www.aotd-flottille.de/FOTRS/Bilder6/ShipRocket2.jpg

Here you see the steam from the Rockets !

http://www.aotd-flottille.de/FOTRS/Bilder6/ShipRocket3.jpg

After first testing i declared the Launcher ans an Cannon.
Now they are firing over long distance against planes and other Vessel.

Testing against my own sub i will do in few minutes.
The problem is here that a need a small vessel only with this launcher to find out the damage-rate of these Rockets.

Greets

Maddy

[keltos01]

Maddy you are a genius !

:yeah::yeah::yeah:

I simply love it ! guess those playing fleetboats in FOTRS won't like it as much though ... :har:

the launcher has 28 rockets divided in 4 rows.

keltos

[AOTD_MadMax]

Maddy you are a genius !

:yeah::yeah::yeah:

I simply love it ! guess those playing fleetboats in FOTRS won't like it as much though ... :har:

the launcher has 28 rockets divided in 4 rows.

keltos

Thanks alot mate,

oh yes, i tryed out against one Minesweeper, normaly a poor target for my sub but now he is blown me out of water.

I reworked the damagepower of the Rocketshells a bit and now you can take some hits from them but it is better to dive cause if they hit your Periskope, it is gone very fast.

I have made a small package for you wich you can enable behind the mod ive send to you yesterday.
There is an second singlemission where you can drive one US-Sub against the poor japanese Minesweeper for testing out the demolition on your sub.

You will find it in a few minutes in your PM !

Greets

Maddy

[keltos01]

Thanks alot mate,

oh yes, i tryed out against one Minesweeper, normaly a poor target for my sub but now he is blown me out of water.

I reworked the damagepower of the Rocketshells a bit and now you can take some hits from them but it is better to dive cause if they hit your Periskope, it is gone very fast.

I have made a small package for you wich you can enable behind the mod ive send to you yesterday.
There is an second singlemission where you can drive one US-Sub against the poor japanese Minesweeper for testing out the demolition on your sub.

You will find it in a few minutes in your PM !

Greets

Maddy

Thank you very much for this Maddy !

I bet it will be nice in FOTRS too ! I intend to play it some to test the Narwhal Sledgehammer, Peabody and I made.

I wonder it those rockets could've changed the fate of a few ships had they come earlier ?

it sure as hell didn't save the Ise Battleship ! I saw a 1945 color documentary movie on youtube :


regards and my many thanks,

keltos

[AOTD_MadMax]

Hi Captains,

here you got an small Video of the japanese Rockets in action against an US-Sub ! :rotfl:


http://www.aotd-flottille.de/FOTRS/Videos/Rocketattack2.wmv

They are very strong so you better dive ............

Greets

Maddy

[keltos01]

DO you know if Hedgehogs are implemented in game ?

keltos

scary movie btw ! :o

[AOTD_MadMax]

Hmm i got them in FOTRS but ive stolen them from SH3 :rotfl:

Greets

Maddy

[keltos01]

Hmm i got them in FOTRS but ive stolen them from SH3 :rotfl:

Greets

Maddy

could you spare them for the IJN campaign ? usual credits of course !

keltos

[AOTD_MadMax]

could you spare them for the IJN campaign ? usual credits of course !

keltos

Yes, no problem mate !

I will send them to you this weekend.

Greets

Maddy

[peabody]

DO you know if Hedgehogs are implemented in game ?

keltos

scary movie btw ! :o

In stock game an AI ship will launch Hedgehogs, I don't know if a playable ship will. I know, forgot I put a ship in with them on it and got blasted when testing part of the Campaign.

Peabody

[keltos01]

ship spotted on the horizon :

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8074/rockets.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/rockets.jpg/)

what's that white smoke sir ? did their boiler explode ?
:har:


INCOMING !!!!

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2779/rocketsincoming.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/rocketsincoming.jpg/)

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5827/rockets3.jpg (http://img517.imageshack.us/i/rockets3.jpg/)

Meeediiiic !!!!! one salvo, four missed that I saw, one or was it two hit...

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/782/rockets4.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/rockets4.jpg/)

who said to fight it off on the surface ????

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5343/rockets5.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/i/rockets5.jpg/)

it must be a new type of destroyer Sir !

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9871/culprit.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/culprit.jpg/)

a....second salvo ????

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1182/rocketssalvo2.jpg (http://img146.imageshack.us/i/rocketssalvo2.jpg/)

gosh I hate that screetch !

none hit this time, am diving, out.

Maddy I love this mod !!!! :yeah:

keltos

[keltos01]

IJN Naval surface to air rockets (AOTD_Mad_Max)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9266/rocketssam.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/rocketssam.jpg/)

I can't stop watching ... :D :88)

keltos

[The Fishlord]

IJN Naval surface to air rockets (AOTD_Mad_Max)

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/9266/rocketssam.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/i/rocketssam.jpg/)

I can't stop watching ... :D :88)

keltos

I want a ship armed soley with these. Now. Just for the fun of it. It looks awesomesauce.

[keltos01]

So say we all ! :har:

keltos

[ETR3(SS)]

Very interesting...this could be the answer to the VLS mod...:hmmm:

[keltos01]

Very interesting...this could be the answer to the VLS mod...:hmmm:

yes, ask Maddy.

and it's not a modified shell that you don't see, you actually see the rocket falling ! and AI ships can target either ships or aircrafts with it.

a really beautiful achievement by Maddy :rock:

keltos

[keltos01]

I would like the same for my IJN subs Maddy :

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4636/onboard.jpg (http://img512.imageshack.us/i/onboard.jpg/)

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7963/loadinglauncher.jpg (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/loadinglauncher.jpg/)

rocket :

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1603/rocketley.jpg (http://img197.imageshack.us/i/rocketley.jpg/)



Launch sequence from U-511 :

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/21/launcho.jpg (http://img522.imageshack.us/i/launcho.jpg/)

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/3909/launch1.jpg (http://img99.imageshack.us/i/launch1.jpg/)

http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7324/launch2.jpg (http://img329.imageshack.us/i/launch2.jpg/)

Tests were conducted in May/June of 1942 using a standard army issue Wurfgerat 41 launcher and rockets from 21 to 30cm. The tests proved that it was not only feasable, but that the rockets could be fired from depths up to 15 meters below the surface, without effecting the normal flight path.


In the summer of 1944, three U-Boats of the Black Sea 30th flotilla were secretly equipped with rocket launchers. These were mounted midships below the waterline of U-24 and U-9 and on the deck of U-19. The weapons were allegedly deployed against Soviet harbor facilities and moored ships during the German retreat. Although the records do not mention damage sustained in the attacks, this first combat use of a submarine launched missile was an historic event. http://www.prinzeugen.com/V2.htm

can you do that ? make a purchasable rocket launcher ? one that could be fired from periscope depth ?

imagine firing at ships with it... drewling ....

btw :

16 September 1943:
Kure. U-511 is formally handed over, commissioned in the IJN as RO-500 and assigned to the Kure Naval District. LtCdr Taoka Kiyoshi is the Commanding Officer

so the IJN had the sub which had fired the first rockets from under the water

I could do the 3d model...


keltos

[AOTD_MadMax]

Hmmm,

firing Rockets from below, hmmm that would be a problem.
But i got an Idea for this.


Greets

Maddy

[keltos01]

In the early morning hours of June 22, 1945, Barb, (Fluckey) fired a dozen 5-inch rockets into the town of Hokkaido from 5000 yards off shore.

[keltos01]

the germans had this idea to get in range for their V2 to attack the US :

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/1214/v2plan3.jpg (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/v2plan3.jpg/)
http://www.prinzeugen.com/V2.htm

the russians built and tested the design after the war... with success !!!

keltos

[ETR3(SS)]

Any news on the submerged rocket launching?

[keltos01]

if the rockets are modified shells, you'd need a canon that has "underwater fire enable" or something ?

keltos

[ETR3(SS)]

bump :03:

[Abyssinian]

Could I perhaps use this once I create and finish the Soviet Dreadnought? It looks awesome.

[keltos01]

you have to ask AOTDmadmax he made them for me


keltos

[keltos01]

RFB and TMO should have them too :yep:

[keltos01]

Hmm i got them in FOTRS but ive stolen them from SH3 :rotfl:

Greets

Maddy

maybe make it a weapon for our subs ?

[tater]

Hedgehogs were in stock SH4 I thought—or did we steal them from SH3 so early I forgot they weren't stock :)

[peabody]

Hedgehogs were in stock SH4 I thought—or did we steal them from SH3 so early I forgot they weren't stock :)

Hedgehogs are stock, Tater.

Peabody

[tater]

This is OT, but something I always wanted was weapon a merchant ship would fire that would drop DCs.

In RL, when attacked, many merchants had DCs aboard, then they'd sort of roll them off wily nily.

It would be cool to do for atmosphere. Trouble is that I could do this with a gun, but the ship will only fire if it sees the sub. I want something more like a flare, or maybe trigger it to the ship alarms that go off...