Why is Obama telling the world that Americans are pathetic and fueling hate?

[SUBMAN1]

Why? SOmeone tell me this. We had a thread earlier about him telling Muslim extremists that we were in the wrong and that the extremists were right all along. Now we have Obama telling the EU that we are in the wrong on GW. I forgot what he told Russia.

Someone tell me why our leader hates us and loves the rest of the world?

I've been keeping my mouth shut on Obama for some time, only posting the occasional outrageous article and avoiding the discussion, but this is getting out of hand.

Maybe I just need someone to explain it to me.

-S

[GoldenRivet]

i have said it in other posts.

the white house was purchased in cash by one or more middle eastern parties.

this is one of the most masterful and deceptive infiltrations in history.

50% joke
50% serious

i dont know - given the world we live in it is probably 100% fact :nope:

[Onkel Neal]

Why? SOmeone tell me this. We had a thread earlier about him telling Muslim extremists that we were in the wrong and that the extremists were right all along.



Link, please. :shifty: I want to see the POTUS saying "the extremists were right" in exactly those words.

[SUBMAN1]

Have at it:

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=353923

"President Bush would never have criticised our military or our intelligence community on foreign soil," former George Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen said on Fox News. "He basically threw our military under the bus in front of a Muslim audience."

-S

[Buddahaid]

Sorry, I don't agree with your conclusions regarding that video. I won't try to argue who's opinion is correct as that will go nowhere fast, I just don't reach the same opinion of it because I do believe the USA crossed the line and sullied ourselves from a higher moral ground. Maybe those morals are only our own, but of what value are they if even we don't believe in them.

Buddahaid

[Stealth Hunter]

Enough of the morals and values BS. That's the same tired stuff that people have been going on about for years now. The simple fact of the matter is if you're in the wrong, you're in the wrong; and what we did in Iraq was just wrong. We made false/misleading accusations (by that I mean evidence was later revealed to be contrary to our immediate assumptions at the time/no evidence was found to support what we'd claimed) about them to make a declaration of war (about WMDs, Hussein backing terrorist groups directly involved in September 11th, you know the drill), we furthermore violated international law by declaring war, but perhaps the worst thing of all that we did was upset the situation in the Middle East (which spawned negative results for Israel and Saudi Arabia--political mostly, such as increased hostility and/or activity from terrorist groups-- and also escalated the levels of civil unrest within Iraq itself).

"President Bush would never have criticised our military or our intelligence community on foreign soil," former George Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen said on Fox News.

Well looking past the fact that this is his speechwriter and not Bush who is making this assertion, I would not be surprised if he didn't criticise what we started over there or admit to a mistake for that matter; the man has an ego the size of the Western Hemisphere. HOWEVER, I would not rule the possibility out; stranger things have been said and happened before.

"He basically threw our military under the bus in front of a Muslim audience."

He did no such thing. He admitted that we made some mistakes. It's as simple as that. We're a nation just like anybody else, and as such we DO make mistakes. We're not perfect, nobody is, and that's that. Get over it. If you think we are, take a step back and try to understand oncemore how reality works.

[donut]

Would a bought,& paid for black suit,& tie ,be civil ?

[Onkel Neal]

Have at it:

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=353923

"President Bush would never have criticised our military or our intelligence community on foreign soil," former George Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen said on Fox News. "He basically threw our military under the bus in front of a Muslim audience."

-S

So, you made this quote up?
... him (Obama) telling Muslim extremists that we were in the wrong and that the extremists were right all along.

Because that video you posted does not have anything remotely like this in it. I did hear Obama admit that the people of Iraq are better off without Hussein, and a lot of talking out of both sides of his mouth, but I asked for backup that Obama said extremists were right all along. I don't care what Marc Thiessen said. I don't need a talking head to help me form my opinions.

[Tchocky]

i have said it in other posts.

the white house was purchased in cash by one or more middle eastern parties.

this is one of the most masterful and deceptive infiltrations in history.

50% joke
50% serious

i dont know - given the world we live in it is probably 100% fact :nope:

Got any evidence?

I mean, obviously with such a masterful and deceptive infiltration there won't be any evidence, but just on the off-chance.....

You really should get in touch with the relevant authorities.

[Takeda Shingen]

Would a bought,& paid for black suit,& tie ,be civil ?

You've got something on your shoulder there.

[Tchocky]

Apollo 11 was an inside job!

[Rilder]

I think its quite well known that the Muslims landed on the moon first.

[Kapt Z]

I have no problem with that speech. Seems easier to promote our ideals to others when we are mature enough to admit when we trample on them ourselves.

[Biggles]

I think its quite well known that the Muslims landed on the moon first.

Made me laugh.

And yeah, modesty is something I look up upon when it comes to politics:yep:

[ETR3(SS)]

we furthermore violated international law by declaring war There hasn't been a declaration of war by this country since WW II.

He did no such thing. He admitted that we made some mistakes. It's as simple as that. We're a nation just like anybody else, and as such we DO make mistakes. We're not perfect, nobody is, and that's that. Get over it. If you think we are, take a step back and try to understand oncemore how reality works. I know that, you know that, but we are the United States of America. As such we are held to a higher standard than anyone else. We do make mistakes but the global consequences for those mistakes are much higher. Realizing this we have to adhere to those higher standards if we wish to maintain our reputation.

[mookiemookie]

The middle east conspiracy thing is on the same level of nuttery as the "911 was an inside job" and "we didn't go to the moon".

In the wingnut mind, there's no way a brown skinned man with a funny sounding name could have won a fair election in their vision of "'A'merka" so they invent these conspiracies in the face of all facts to square their vision with reality.

[geetrue]

Lets get carried away with the facts, okay.

1. Having gone to Harvard Obama is probabaly smarter than anyone on this forum except for August, okay :smug:

2. Obama won by a large voter turn out that included millions of white voters voting for him too. He is a very popular president. :)

3. Before Hillary gave up Bill Clinton said Obama didn't have what it takes (experience) to be the president of the United States of America. Allow me this one future thought, Obama is proving this and if he stumbles guess who is getting the experience to become the 46th president of the United States of America ... If you said Hillary Clinton you are correct. :salute:

4 Obama attended a church in Chicago for 22 years and never heard his pastor preach one single anti-american sermon (give me a break) Rev Wright was and still is his friend. His children were baptised in that church and untill recently was the only church he had ever been a member of ... :hmmm:

5. As of June 2009 Mr Obama had attended more Muslim mosque than he had a christian (which he proclaims to be) churches. His failure to locate a church in the Washington, DC area was given to his popularity and need for security. Barack Obama still looking for church (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/24323.html)

Okay, we give him that one, remembering that Mr Bush also chose to stay at home and attend a closed church service at Camp David which after six months of no home church Mr Obama has also now selected to be his church. Don't think this is not important in future events.

6. Who would be on the inside track of knowing how many passports Mr Obama had in the 1980's ... the State Department has that information and you already know who runs that department.

7. Mr Obama has 30 so called czars guiding him on what to do ... who are they and what do they tell him? :o

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/16/fox-debunks-czars/ (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/16/fox-debunks-czars/)

Fox news introduced “All the President’s Czars,” citing a list from Taxpayers for Common Sense of “more than 30 czars (http://www.taxpayer.net/search_by_category.php?action=view&proj_id=2651&category=Wastebasket&type=Project)” that “do not need to be confirmed by the Senate like Cabinet secretaries do.”

There is no number eight ... I have to go repent from reading the news and smiling that Mr Obama is on the way down. The Lord doesn't like my smirk and I don't want to be linked with Rush Limbo either.

More facts to chew on: Obama meets with Mormon leader (http://blog.taragana.com/n/obama-meets-with-mormon-leader-gets-detailed-genealogical-records-for-family-115204/)

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama met with the leader of the Mormon church on Monday in the Oval Office, thanking the religion’s president for a thorough history of the first family.


The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints President Thomas S. Monson presented Obama with details of his family’s genealogy during their first face-to-face meeting. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat who is Mormon, helped arrange the meeting and joined it.
“I’m grateful for the genealogical records that they brought with them and am looking forward to reading through the materials with my daughters,” Obama said in a statement after the meeting. “It’s something our family will treasure for years to come.”


“President Obama’s heritage is rich with examples of leadership, sacrifice and service,” Monson said in a statement. “We were very pleased to research his family history and are honored to present it to him today.”
The five leather-bound books detail Obama’s family history for several generations. Parts of that history were already known, such as his ties to former Republican Vice President Dick Cheney. The two are eighth cousins.

[GoldenRivet]

Got any evidence?

I mean, obviously with such a masterful and deceptive infiltration there won't be any evidence, but just on the off-chance.....

You really should get in touch with the relevant authorities.

read again

50% joke
50% refusal to disclose where a large chunk of his campaign finance came from because america would be pissed if they knew

so relax :woot:

[mookiemookie]

read again

50% joke
50% refusal to disclose where a large chunk of his campaign finance came from because america would be pissed if they knew

so relax :woot:

Large chunk?

Full Disclosure $378,216,383 (90.2%)
Incomplete $15,611,429 (3.7%)
No Disclosure $25,289,671 (6.0%)http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?id=N00009638&cycle2=2008&goButt2.x=14&goButt2.y=7&goButt2=Submit

[GoldenRivet]

Large chunk?

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.php?id=N00009638&cycle2=2008&goButt2.x=14&goButt2.y=7&goButt2=Submit

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/141979.html (http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/141979.html)

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/Obama_fundraising_illegal/2008/09/29/135718.html (http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/Obama_fundraising_illegal/2008/09/29/135718.html)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html)

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp)


look my link posty thing works too :D w00+
all im saying is - without regard to "whos guy it is"
- if a lot ... hell if ANY... of his campaign money came from undisclosed overseas interests, wouldnt you want to know WHO it was :06:

and why is he not telling?

something to hide?

does he not know himself who donated?

respecting the privacy of his contributors?

or something sinister?

it could be any one of those reasons, but would we be irresponsible for not at least CHECKING ???

[Max2147]

To be fair, $25.2 million isn't exactly a small piece of cash.

[Max2147]

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/141979.html (http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/141979.html)

http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/Obama_fundraising_illegal/2008/09/29/135718.html (http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/Obama_fundraising_illegal/2008/09/29/135718.html)

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html)

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/donations.asp)


look my link posty thing works too :D w00+
all im saying is - without regard to "whos guy it is"
- if a lot ... hell if ANY... of his campaign money came from undisclosed overseas interests, wouldnt you want to know WHO it was :06:

and why is he not telling?

something to hide?

does he not know himself who donated?

respecting the privacy of his contributors?

or something sinister?

it could be any one of those reasons, but would we be irresponsible for not at least CHECKING ???

Sure, your linky posty thing works, but you've got to work on which links you post!

Posting 3 links that support your accusation, then one link from a fact-checking site that says everything you posted previously is false is generally not a good idea.

[GoldenRivet]

Sure, your linky posty thing works, but you've got to work on which links you post!

Posting 3 links that support your accusation, then one link from a fact-checking site that says everything you posted previously is false is generally not a good idea.

thats called being "unbiased" :yeah:

all you have to do is look at HOW the articles were written.

3 written factually and in a manner in which the writer steps back and looks at the situation

1 written in language that is abusive to "the right" in its demeanor and language

:up:

just think - thats all

[Onkel Neal]

Well done! :yeah:


Lets get carried away with the facts, okay.

1. Having gone to Harvard Obama is probabaly smarter than anyone on this forum except for August, okay :smug:

2. Obama won by a large voter turn out that included millions of white voters voting for him too. He is a very popular president. :)

3. Before Hillary gave up Bill Clinton said Obama didn't have what it takes (experience) to be the president of the United States of America. Allow me this one future thought, Obama is proving this and if he stumbles guess who is getting the experience to become the 46th president of the United States of America ... If you said Hillary Clinton you are correct. :salute:

4 Obama attended a church in Chicago for 22 years and never heard his pastor preach one single anti-american sermon (give me a break) Rev Wright was and still is his friend. His children were baptised in that church and untill recently was the only church he had ever been a member of ... :hmmm:

5. As of June 2009 Mr Obama had attended more Muslim mosque than he had a christian (which he proclaims to be) churches. His failure to locate a church in the Washington, DC area was given to his popularity and need for security. Barack Obama still looking for church (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/24323.html)

Okay, we give him that one, remembering that Mr Bush also chose to stay at home and attend a closed church service at Camp David which after six months of no home church Mr Obama has also now selected to be his church. Don't think this is not important in future events.

6. Who would be on the inside track of knowing how many passports Mr Obama had in the 1980's ... the State Department has that information and you already know who runs that department.

7. Mr Obama has 30 so called czars guiding him on what to do ... who are they and what do they tell him? :o

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/16/fox-debunks-czars/ (http://thinkprogress.org/2009/07/16/fox-debunks-czars/)



There is no number eight ... I have to go repent from reading the news and smiling that Mr Obama is on the way down. The Lord doesn't like my smirk and I don't want to be linked with Rush Limbo either.

More facts to chew on: Obama meets with Mormon leader (http://blog.taragana.com/n/obama-meets-with-mormon-leader-gets-detailed-genealogical-records-for-family-115204/)

[mookiemookie]

thats called being "unbiased" :yeah:

all you have to do is look at HOW the articles were written.

3 written factually and in a manner in which the writer steps back and looks at the situation

1 written in language that is abusive to "the right" in its demeanor and language

:up:

just think - thats all

Abusive to the right? Because they laid out what the facts were and pointed out the errors in the email?

Well, I guess it's true what they say: facts have a liberal bias.

[GoldenRivet]

Abusive to the right? Because they laid out what the facts were and pointed out the errors in the email?

Well, I guess it's true what they say: facts have a liberal bias.

no referring to fox news as "Faux news" as so many liberals like to do is a start.

you wont see one such reference in any of the other articles.

i wont be drawn into an endless debate about this... its mostly nonsense anyway.

my argument is mostly that Americans shouldn't just blindly follow or trust the man who sits in the oval office no matter who he is.

[GoldenRivet]

Quoted for laughs. "Faux" means "false", in the snopes article it just means "fake news", it has nothing to do with Fox.

funny :har:

perhaps i have become too accustomed to being attacked because im a republican?

nothing will get the left descending on your arse faster than loving God and Guns and despising welfare and socialism

[Max2147]

funny :har:

perhaps i have become too accustomed to being attacked because im a republican?

nothing will get the left descending on your arse faster than loving God and Guns and despising welfare and socialism
Correction: Nothing will p*ss off the left more than FORCING US to love God and guns.

We don't care what other people do, but it really upsets me when people try to force their ways upon me, then call me "un-American" if I reject them.

As far as the Snopes article, they called the e-mail a faux new article because.... it's a faux news article! It's fake! The e-mail said it was written by Maureen Dowd, but Maureen Dowd didn't write it! Dowd's column on the date that was supposedly published was something completely different. Like most articles in chain e-mails, it's a LIE.

If people read the entire article instead of just the first sentence, stuff like this wouldn't happen. Snopes is a very well-respected fact-based site. I've never heard people on either side say it's biased.

[GoldenRivet]

Correction: Nothing will p*ss off the left more than FORCING US to love God and guns.

We don't care what other people do, but it really upsets me when people try to force their ways upon me, then call me "un-American" if I reject them.

well hey... we have a breakthrough.

1. who is forcing you to go to church? saying that everyone has the freedom of religion doesnt mean you have to pick one.

2. who is forcing you to go purchase a gun? giving me the right to own a firearm with which to protect my home and property doesnt mean you have to buy or own one


the same could be said of the right in this country

we genuinely dont give a sh*t what you do... just dont infringe my rights to #1 and #2 above. and dont FORCE me to pay into socialist programs unless i do so voluntarily or unless i plan on using them for my own family.

deal???

As far as the Snopes article, they called the e-mail a faux new article because.... it's a faux news article! It's fake!

you are tardy for this segment of the show. :woot:

[donut]

You've got something on your shoulder there.
I just don't agree with how much debt,to fix the US. bulkheads.

[Stealth Hunter]

There hasn't been a declaration of war by this country since WW II.

We didn't give a huge and grand formal declaration of war on Iraq like Roosevelt did against Germany and Japan, but in this case Congress still approved our military to engage in armed conflict with Iraqi soldiers who were, according to Bush, the enemy. Additionally, he gave a lengthy televised speech to us about it.

War is war, no matter what you try to call it or how you go about initiating it. If you openly engage in armed combat with someone, then you are at war; pure and simple. Too many people run around nowadays trying to call things like Korea and Vietnam "police actions", when by definition, they were wars.

I know that, you know that, but we are the United States of America. As such we are held to a higher standard than anyone else.

That doesn't mean we should lie about the whole thing or try and sweep it under the rug like it never happened. Honesty is another standard which we supposedly hold as important; something that seemingly faded away in the aftermath of September 11th.

We do make mistakes but the global consequences for those mistakes are much higher.

Indeed, perhaps made most evident by the backlash against us from friendly nations after we initially went to war with Iraq in March 2003.

Realizing this we have to adhere to those higher standards if we wish to maintain our reputation.

Our "reputation" was not damaged by an act of apologetics by Obama; if anything, it helped. The world (and many fellow citizens) knew for years that what we had done in Iraq was wrong, and we weren't going to fool anybody by trying to ignore our past mistakes there, nor were we going to repair our social status.

[Max2147]

well hey... we have a breakthrough.

1. who is forcing you to go to church? saying that everyone has the freedom of religion doesnt mean you have to pick one.

2. who is forcing you to go purchase a gun? giving me the right to own a firearm with which to protect my home and property doesnt mean you have to buy or own one


the same could be said of the right in this country

we genuinely dont give a sh*t what you do... just dont infringe my rights to #1 and #2 above. and dont FORCE me to pay into socialist programs unless i do so voluntarily or unless i plan on using them for my own family.

deal???
The previous President's main base of support was people who wanted to force me to go to Church. They force me to say I believe in God in order to pledge my allegiance to this country. They try to force teachers to teach religion in science classes (we all know what "intelligent design" really is). They use their religion to prevent women from making their own choices about their health. They force people to suffer and die from diseases that could very well be curable with the proper medical research (stem cells). They may not be at my door telling me to go to church, but they're still forcing me to live my life by their religion.

And you can stop paying for "socialist" social programs when I can stop paying for absurd and unnecessary weapons purchases. Deal?

[GoldenRivet]

The previous President's main base of support was people who wanted to force me to go to Church.

Nobody can force you to do anything of the sort :shifty: i supported the president... i havnt been to church in years, but i do believe in a supreme being.

i dont once recall Bush's campaign revolving around "Forcing Max2147 to go to church" thats absurd

They force me to say I believe in God in order to pledge my allegiance to this country.

Say the pledge without that part... you say it without ill say it with :up: seems fair enough :03:

They use their religion to prevent women from making their own choices about their health.

ahhh the abortion issues. When a womans health is in jeopardy... kill the little spawn.

otherwise there are thousands of young couples out there who would GLADLY adopt it ;) its un-nerving to know how many young women out there resort to abortion because they just dont want the kid. (one such young lady in my family :( )


They force people to suffer and die from diseases that could very well be curable with the proper medical research (stem cells).

Fund it... i think that most on the right side would agree that stem cell research is a good channel for research... we just dont see the sense in killing a child to do it.

They may not be at my door telling me to go to church, but they're still forcing me to live my life by their religion.

Take 3 seconds out of your busy day to say "no thanks" and close the door in their faces (thats what I do) i would like you to tell me what major changes and challenges you faced in life today because of my religion.

And you can stop paying for "socialist" social programs when I can stop paying for absurd and unnecessary weapons purchases. Deal?

Deal :yeah:

Dont buy guns if you dont like it.

personally i think we should be able to choose what we pay into... you can pay for the inner city youths 500Db stereo system.... ill fund the national defense! heck of a deal.

we are not nearly in as much difference of opinion as you guys love to think.:|\\

the problem is you have the FAR EXTREME LEFT and the FAR EXTREME RIGHT

unfortunately, most folks (self included) are cought up more or less in the middle

[antikristuseke]

otherwise there are thousands of young couples out there who would GLADLY adopt it ;) its un-nerving to know how many young women out there resort to abortion because they just dont want the kid. (one such young lady in my family :( )

Sure, thats is why there are no kids in state care...oh wait:doh:

While I do not much like abortion, it is preferable to bring an unwanted child, or a child the people involved are unable to support, into this world.

[SUBMAN1]

So, you made this quote up?


Because that video you posted does not have anything remotely like this in it. I did hear Obama admit that the people of Iraq are better off without Hussein, and a lot of talking out of both sides of his mouth, but I asked for backup that Obama said extremists were right all along. I don't care what Marc Thiessen said. I don't need a talking head to help me form my opinions.

Sure does. Did you listen to the entire thing? Or did I post the wrong video? You need to watch the entire thing. Right in front of a Muslim audience. He just authorized their holy war.

-S

[GoldenRivet]

Sure, thats is why there are no kids in state care...oh wait:doh:

While I do not much like abortion, it is preferable to bring an unwanted child, or a child the people involved are unable to support, into this world.

of course there are a lot of kids in state care.

the older the kid gets the less likley it is they will be adopted... sad fact but people want "babies".

infants are a HOT commodity when it comes to adoption children under 6 months are generally the first to go.

[Onkel Neal]

Sure does. Did you listen to the entire thing? Or did I post the wrong video? You need to watch the entire thing. Right in front of a Muslim audience. He just authorized their holy war.

-S

Did not see that quote, not in that video. Maybe you can tell me the minute mark it occurs at, since most of that 10 minutes is filled with talking heads.

Here's the entire text of his speech (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/04/obama-speech-in-cairo-vid_n_211215.html), where did he say "the extremists were right all along"?


And it is my first duty as President to protect the American people.

Over seven years ago, the United States pursued al Qaeda and the Taliban with broad international support. We did not go by choice, we went because of necessity. I am aware that some question or justify the events of 9/11. But let us be clear: al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day. The victims were innocent men, women and children from America and many other nations who had done nothing to harm anybody. And yet Al Qaeda chose to ruthlessly murder these people, claimed credit for the attack, and even now states their determination to kill on a massive scale. They have affiliates in many countries and are trying to expand their reach. These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with.

Sounds like the kind of thing I would have applauded Bush for.

You know, when "conservatives" spout this kind of bs, it sounds just like the "liberals" when they bash Bush. What a waste of my time, you owe me 10 minutes.

[SUBMAN1]

Did not see that quote, not in that video. Maybe you can tell me the minute mark it occurs at, since most of that 10 minutes is filled with talking heads.

Here's the entire text of his speech (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/04/obama-speech-in-cairo-vid_n_211215.html), where did he say "the extremists were right all along"? He didn't say it in those exact words. He didn't have to. He implied it. Same thing. He threw our military under the bus by saying we tortured for one. Need I go on?

-S

[Onkel Neal]

No, you need to stop. And I'm not implying it, I'm saying it. Obama didn't say anything of the nature that you claimed. The blowhard commentator made all kinds of accusations that the mindless conservatives eat up, but Obama did not "authorize their holy war".

I'm really beginning to wonder about which side I'm on.:nope:

[Stealth Hunter]

Join us, Neal...

We have the cookies.

http://www.marlerblog.com/uploads/image/nestle_tollhouse_cookies.jpg

[Task Force]

:ocookie...:o

[FIREWALL]

No, you need to stop. And I'm not implying it, I'm saying it. Obama didn't say anything of the nature that you claimed. The blowhard commentator made all kinds of accusations that the mindless conservatives eat up, but Obama did not "authorize their holy war".

I'm really beginning to wonder about which side I'm on.:nope:


:up::up::up: Now lock the thread.

[Onkel Neal]

Join us, Neal...

We have the cookies.

http://www.marlerblog.com/uploads/image/nestle_tollhouse_cookies.jpg

Do they have nuts?

[Aramike]

No, you need to stop. And I'm not implying it, I'm saying it. Obama didn't say anything of the nature that you claimed. The blowhard commentator made all kinds of accusations that the mindless conservatives eat up, but Obama did not "authorize their holy war".

I'm really beginning to wonder about which side I'm on.:nope:Wow, Neal ... right on, brother.

Don't let the extremists influence your views, though - just join myself and others like me as independents. :cool:

Too many people feel that they need to listen to their party's talking points. Sure, most of my opinions are conservative - but not all. And I don't need Rush Limbaugh or Hannity to tell me right from wrong. Indeed, I don't necessarily disagree with them, but they aren't my benchmark (which is something I'm afraid Subman's succumbed too).

Do I like Obama? Nope. The so-called stimulous package has demonstrated that he has a complete disregard for consequence when extreme measures are taken. But see, I don't feel the need to invent things to dislike. If he does something I agree with, I'll agree with it - despite the source.

Personally, I think that's how people should behave when it comes to politics. But alas, Talking Point Artists and Spin Doctors abound, and we'll never be able to have a true, honest national dialogue.

[Task Force]

I think the people should have alittle opinion of some of these moves...

I myself am going into the task force party...

[SUBMAN1]

Neal, I usually don't disagree with you, but here is the part that is disturbing to me from his speech:

....And finally, just as America can never tolerate violence by extremists, we must never alter our principles. 9/11 was an enormous trauma to our country. The fear and anger that it provoked was understandable, but in some cases, it led us to act contrary to our ideals. We are taking concrete actions to change course. I have unequivocally prohibited the use of torture by the United States, and I have ordered the prison at Guantanamo Bay closed by early next year....In bold.

If that isn't an admission, I do not know what is. Correct me if I am wrong.

-S

[antikristuseke]

Holy ****, admiting that mistakes were made, what next, more honesty? WHERE WILL THIS END!?!?!??:-?

[SUBMAN1]

Holy ****, admiting that mistakes were made, what next, more honesty? WHERE WILL THIS END!?!?!??:-?

I wouldn't have thought much about it until you read the surrounding context, such as taking concrete actions against torture. These two things should have been separated. The fact that they were not means that it happened. That is the problem. Every Muslim extremist will hold that up as an admission of guilt for all others to see. Its justified now.

You may say this is untrue, but it is not me you have to convince.

-S

[Max2147]

Obama's right - we did act against our ideals. If you think that stuff like we saw in the Abu Ghraib photos is in line with American ideals, then you believe in a very different America than most of us believe in.

[Stealth Hunter]

Do they have nuts?

Yes, and marshmellows too.

[Task Force]

I want a cookie....:D

[Stealth Hunter]

I want a cookie....:D

Are you on our side?

[Task Force]

Im part of the task force party... but for a cookie... ok.:)

[Stealth Hunter]

Im part of the task force party... but for a cookie... ok.:)

Alright then...:shifty:

[mookiemookie]

Our next candidate for President:

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/theremoteisland/2009/04/cookie-monster_with_text.jpg

[GoldenRivet]

Our next candidate for President:

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/theremoteisland/2009/04/cookie-monster_with_text.jpg

would be an improvement over anything we have had in my lifetime :har:

[Biggles]

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3221/bild004m.jpg

[Biggles]

Sorry for doublepost, but this just in:
http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/celebrity-pictures-britney-spears-cookie-monster.jpg?w=500&h=412

Looks like your candidate is missing, but fortunately we have a suspect!

[Task Force]

I think were best off with a alien as president...

[GoldenRivet]

Sorry for doublepost, but this just in:
http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/celebrity-pictures-britney-spears-cookie-monster.jpg?w=500&h=412

Looks like your candidate is missing, but fortunately we have a suspect!

i'll help with the cavity search :yeah:

forgive me if i wear yellow rubber kitchen gloves though

[Stealth Hunter]

i'll help with the cavity search :yeah:

forgive me if i wear yellow rubber kitchen gloves though

Beware the herpes.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z68/subreyfer/do-not-want.jpg

[geetrue]

You guys remind me of a bunch of dogs chewing on a cookie ...

oh wait a minute I mean a bone. :O:

[Onkel Neal]

Neal, I usually don't disagree with you, but here is the part that is disturbing to me from his speech:

In bold.

If that isn't an admission, I do not know what is. Correct me if I am wrong.

-S

It's not about whether we agree or not, and if that part of the speech distrubs you, I understand. I don't necessarily agree with it either. But that is still a long way short of telling the world that Americans are pathetic and fueling hate. And it does not support what you said, when you blatantly misquoted him. Whether we were right or wrong in waterboarding a few Al Queda, does not in any way equate to saying the extremists were right in attacking America.

Maybe you meant the extremists were right, waterboarding was wrong?

What extremists? The far left? The Middle Eastern radicals? Terrorists?

My problem with the statement (and title of this thread) is, as I stated before, it sounds like the kind of rhetoric that we've been hearing for the last eight years from the Democrats/liberals. Now we're hearing it from the Republicans/conservatives? I hope we're better than that, but Limbuagh/Hannity/Oreily are proof that we're not.

[August]

My problem with the statement (and title of this thread) is, as I stated before, it sounds like the kind of rhetoric that we've been hearing for the last eight years from the Democrats/liberals. Now we're hearing it from the Republicans/conservatives? I hope we're better than that, but Limbuagh/Hannity/Oreily are proof that we're not.

This ^

It sickens me to hear and read conservatives whining like Daily KOS Moonbats about everything real and imagined that Obama has done or will do.