After Action Report: Nelson, Rodney, King George V Vs. Bismarck and Prinz Eugen

[Sledgehammer427]

*Surface Warfare Mod Teaser*
The scenario started simply enough, A line of British ships and a line of German ships, both heading east. Spaced by about 5 km. I was in command of the Nelson, mostly along for the ride, but I gave the occaisional directional command to make sure i could bare all my guns.
A cool pic I got of the Nelson.
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/Fastrat91/SH4Img2009-06-25_031210_093.jpg
The Eugen goes down (Goodnight Prinz?)
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/Fastrat91/SH4Img2009-06-25_031700_484.jpg
Bismarck Under Fire
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/Fastrat91/SH4Img2009-06-25_032125_359.jpg
The KGV got the worst of it.
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/Fastrat91/SH4Img2009-06-25_034620_437.jpg
The end of the Bismarck
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/Fastrat91/SH4Img2009-06-25_040041_984.jpg

Tally:
minor/no damage to Nelson & Rodney
King George V out of action, slight list to starboard

Bismarck, Sunk
Prinz Eugen, Sunk, ablaze

[ubootcomrade]

My want for this mod now borders on that of sexual lust.

[ivank]

@ UBOOTCOMRADE: :har::haha:

@Shammer427: great pictures

[polyfiller]

So - Shammer - did the balance of the engagement feel right ? What I mean is did the ships take damage in the way / rate you expected. I guess Rodney & KGV v Bismark & PrinZ would result in PE sunk and probably Bismark (but not until ong after PE) ... also no surpise KGV got mauled - in RLhad Bismark laid any accurate fire at either, there would have been a muach harder fight for the RN ships.

Also did you like the way the ships took damage and sunk ?

[Sledgehammer427]

It felt well balanced, but the Bismarck refused to sink!
also, the Nelson (my BB) got nailed a few times with some of the Bismarcks after batteries, but showed no real damage, I figured it shoulda have started a fire or something.
I just put up a good picture of the bow looking like the Bismarck was going under, because it was basically dead and the water was up to the decks, but she wasnt sinking, so I got up close and pulverised her with everythying I had until I ran out of ammo. Still didnt sink. I called it a moral victory :D
But you should have seen the Bismarck!
the upperworks were covered in shell marks!

[eljeffo41]

Actually the Bismark refusing to sink is pretty accurate from a historical standpoint ,didn't a British destroyer finish it with a torpedo attack?:rock:

[polyfiller]

Shammer - I'll take a look at the damage model ....but last time I ran KGV & Rodney v Bismark & PE, Bismark sank quite nicely (took a longtime though).

[Sailor Steve]

Actually the Bismark refusing to sink is pretty accurate from a historical standpoint ,didn't a British destroyer finish it with a torpedo attack?:rock:
That's been a point of discussion for almost 70 years. The British torpedoed her, the Germans scuttled her. The ranking survivor once said "To both of you I say 'Yes, you sank us'".

[ivank]

We need to add a 3d damage model to those ships

[Tomi_099]

*Surface Warfare Mod Teaser*
The scenario started simply enough, A line of British ships and a line of German ships, both heading east. Spaced by about 5 km. I was in command of the Nelson, mostly along for the ride, but I gave the occaisional directional command to make sure i could bare all my guns.
A cool pic I got of the Nelson.
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http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/Fastrat91/SH4Img2009-06-25_031210_093.jpg
The Eugen goes down (Goodnight Prinz?)
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/Fastrat91/SH4Img2009-06-25_031700_484.jpg
Bismarck Under Fire
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/Fastrat91/SH4Img2009-06-25_032125_359.jpg
The KGV got the worst of it.
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/Fastrat91/SH4Img2009-06-25_034620_437.jpg
The end of the Bismarck
http://i391.photobucket.com/albums/oo351/Fastrat91/SH4Img2009-06-25_040041_984.jpg

Tally:
minor/no damage to Nelson & Rodney
King George V out of action, slight list to starboard

Bismarck, Sunk
Prinz Eugen, Sunk, ablaze
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Absolutely great projects!! :yeah:

[iambecomelife]

Actually the Bismark refusing to sink is pretty accurate from a historical standpoint ,didn't a British destroyer finish it with a torpedo attack?:rock:

Hey - credit where due! (Just kidding.) It was the "HMS Dorsetshire", a cruiser, that sank the wreck (assuming it wasn't the scuttling charges).

[mickeyg]

I have been a keen follower of naval warfare for about 45 years , coming from a naval and shipbuilding background , my father and Gt G/father were in the merchant service and my mother and G/F from her side worked at Vickers Armstrong in WW2 and my Gt/G/F on my mothers side , made the 16" guns on the HMS Nelson ( well his team ) , All I have done is read books .
Through all the forums and hypothesis I have read over the decades about the KM, IJN and the RN , is that after the Washington Treaty on Battleship size , The Germans and the Japanese decided they would not comply and built Super-dreadnoughts , while the Brits worked within the confines of this treaty , So basically the KM and the IJN cheated , pure and simple , like a motor race where in say the 2 litre class , someone enters a 3 litre car and hopes to win , without being found out !
Despite all of the Axis forces huge ships they still lost and got a hiding into the bargain , The Bismarck was no great advancement in design , 44 minutes after the engagement with Rodney and KGV , she was finished . The PoW was still active after her encounter with Bismarck as Bismarck`s shells were no match for her armour and although hit 7 times was really no worse for wear, whereas Bismarck hit 3 times by PoW had to find a port as she was taking on water , It doesnt matter about "the Bismarcks " armour belt not being pierced etc , She was out of the the fight in 44 mins and she sank ,end of story , she go hit 400 times , no Armour is going to save you .
Reports of sailors noting that Bismarcks Armour was in tact are pure fantasy , imagine 16" shells being fired at you at point blank range , are you going to check the armour belt before you abandon ship !
KVG was the best class of battleship in WW2 , there was 5 built, the deck armour was good as was the side , The Scharnhorst couldn't land a direct hit on DoY and an 11" shell would`nt have been much of a concern to her , Graf Spee cound`nt knock out 3 small criusers in the early days of the war so the 11" gun was no better than a 6" against an amoured Battleship .RN wins KM loses . Simple .

[kms bismarck]

How could you sail the Nelson... Could you send me a link? Becouse I would really love to sail that ship!:rock: