View Full Version : NASA Finally Admits/Acknowledges Solar Cycle, Not Man, Responsible for Past Warming
SUBMAN1
06-04-09, 09:09 PM
I wonder how many heads will roll over this? They rely way too much on global warming dollars to say these kinds of things. I believe it was $2 billion of their budget at last count.
http://www.dailytech.com/NASA+Study+Acknowledges+Solar+Cycle+Not+Man+Respon sible+for+Past+Warming/article15310.htm
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Report indicates solar cycle has been impacting Earth since the Industrial Revolution
mookiemookie
06-04-09, 09:15 PM
If you actually follow the links back in your article to the actual report, you'll see that this headline is not at all true and this "Daily Tech" site has editorialized their own views and twisted what was actually said. Funny.
"Right now, we are in between major ice ages, in a period that has been called the Holocene,” said Cahalan. “Over recent decades, however, we have moved into a human-dominated climate that some have termed the Anthropocene. The major change in Earth's climate is now really dominated by human activity, which has never happened before."
SUBMAN1
06-04-09, 09:47 PM
If you actually follow the links back in your article to the actual report, you'll see that this headline is not at all true and this "Daily Tech" site has editorialized their own views and twisted what was actually said. Funny.
Not really. You are twisting the facts. They have only reported the facts. Are you disputing the NASA report?
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mookiemookie
06-04-09, 10:38 PM
Not really. You are twisting the facts. They have only reported the facts. Are you disputing the NASA report?
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Yes, I'm disputing the NASA article by quoting directly from it. :roll:
Your Daily Tech article states this opinion:
While the NASA study acknowledged the sun's influence on warming and cooling patterns, it then went badly off the tracks. Ignoring its own evidence, it returned to an argument that man had replaced the sun as the cause current warming patterns. Like many studies, this conclusion was based less on hard data and more on questionable correlations and inaccurate modeling techniques.
Here's a children's guide to telling the difference between facts and opinions. I think you could use it: http://pbskids.org/arthur/games/factsopinions/
XabbaRus
06-05-09, 01:58 AM
HAve to agree with mookie mookie here. Seems like daily tech cherry picked quotes that suited its view.
I read the whole article tracking back trhough the links.
NASA I'm sure would agree with your thread title as this study was all about the sun and its effect on the earth. And yes NASA are saying that in the PRE-INDUSTRIAL AGE the sun was the major heaing influence on the planet.
However now it is not the only heating factor. So the study was nothing to do with proving whether global warming os solar based or man made it was about just how the sun affects the earth.
SteamWake
06-05-09, 09:02 AM
I would think its fair to say the solar cycle has been impacting the earth well since there was an earth :doh:
I watched some show on TV last night called "Mini Ice Age" about the global cooling phenominon of the 1800's that caused the potatoe famon amongst other things.
I heard something that made me just laugh out loud. Some pseudo scientist or researcher or something says the following "We dont really know if the planet will be warming or if it will be cooling. All I know is we must do something to stop it." :doh:
Turns out the mini ice age was caused by the eruption of a volcanoe estimated to be 10 times that of Mt. St. Helen which spewed billions of metric tons of ash and sulfer into the upper stratosphere.
Yea put a stop to that ! :hmmm:
Skybird
06-05-09, 09:19 AM
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8974/kittenlove.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kittenlove.jpg)
[Part of the NASA report]
Are you disputing the NASA report?
Yes, I'm disputing the NASA article by quoting directly from it.
That's great!
:rotfl:
Frame57
06-05-09, 09:57 AM
Well, I do not need NASA to inform me of something that I learned in the 7th grade. But it is obvious that good science is just not taught anymore. A Moron like Al Gore can spin and hoax the world. Self evidence will be the proof in the long haul...
Stealth Hunter
06-05-09, 11:47 AM
But it is obvious that good science is just not taught anymore.
Explain this. I'm just curious.
@SUBMAN,
Are women made from sand? Is cheese the latest tool to fight Communism? Has the future already happened somewhere else?
You should investigate these things, man.:haha:
TLAM Strike
06-05-09, 11:49 AM
Intrestingly Mars is coming out of its Ice Age... and now the Earth is warming up... :hmmm:
SteamWake
06-05-09, 11:49 AM
Intrestingly Mars is coming out of its Ice Age... and now the Earth is warming up... :hmmm:
Well we did send that rover thing there.
Intrestingly Mars is coming out of its Ice Age... and now the Earth is warming up... :hmmm:
Ah, the cycle is complete, the Martians can now emerge and begin the colonisation of their younger neighbour :salute:
AVGWarhawk
06-05-09, 01:57 PM
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MG/143993~The-Angry-Red-Planet-Posters.jpg
Aramike
06-05-09, 02:05 PM
Well we did send that rover thing there.:haha:
Task Force
06-05-09, 02:57 PM
Well we could just turn down the sun abit... good as new ahy...:rotfl:
SteamWake
06-05-09, 03:00 PM
Well we could just turn down the sun abit... good as new ahy...:rotfl:
More like good as dead.
Its an incredably lucky balance between the suns energy, earths distance from the sun, earths atmosphere that allows life to exist on earth.
But the fact that there was cooling and warming cycles in the 1700's is often overlooked in this debate. Im pretty sure that was before the industrial age.
Task Force
06-05-09, 03:01 PM
Explain this. I'm just curious.
@SUBMAN,
Are women made from sand? Is cheese the latest tool to fight Communism? Has the future already happened somewhere else?
You should investigate these things, man.:haha:
1 yea sure... some of the women ive seen in my life... makes me think yes...
2 Yes... they can sneek atom bombs inside the cheese to go into the communist capital and distroy it.
3 Of course it has... why wouldnt you think it has.
:rotfl:
http://publicintellectual.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/tin-foil-hat.jpg
Skybird
06-05-09, 04:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbDmO...ature=featured
SteamWake
06-05-09, 05:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbDmO...ature=featured
LOL you going around posting this in every thread?
Skybird
06-05-09, 06:54 PM
Yes, in threads like this. The movie is a very living, illustrative reply to lobbying, manipulative nonsense threads like this. The question whether or not there is severe and man-made climate change and a general basic trend to severe warming along with a whole plethora of additional ecologic and biospheric problems we - and we alone - are responsible for, I do not consider to be open to debate anymore, but consider it to be simply stupid, if not malicious, since it is very much a fully answered, decided question.
Who still does not see what is happening, although it is all around him, must necessarily run an agenda of not wanting to see it. We could as well discuss the question of whether planet Earth really has a moon, or not.
We could as well discuss the question of whether planet Earth really has a moon, or not.
Don't tempt me. ;)
Sure man is causing global warming. Where any constructive discussion about it always bogs down is over HOW man causes global warming.
There are those here that blame carbon output, SUV's, air conditioners, jet aircraft, over grazing, destruction of the rain forest, coal burning power plants or any number of other pet peeves, none of which are going to have the least amount of effect in stopping it.
This is because they are all mere symptoms of the problem, not the problem itself, and no amount of debate, government regulations, expensive social programs or will make a difference.
We have three basic problems.
1. There are over 6 billion freaking people on the freaking planet.
2. That number is climbing.
3. We can't (or won't) stop it.
The bottom line here is if we can ever hope to get a handle on human caused global warming we must fix at least one of these.
Sea Demon
06-05-09, 10:10 PM
3. We can't (or won't) stop it.
The bottom line here is if we can ever hope to get a handle on human caused global warming we must fix at least one of these.
I think you answered the fundamental question here. We do have a population issue, and no, I don't see anything being done about it.
I for one don't believe in man-made global warming though. The science just conflicts itself too much. And some data, such as solar cycles are merely and conveniently dismissed or just ignored outright. The more I look at the "science" of it, the more I think it's BS. It's quite easy to see the solar variation, and the impacts to climate warming and cooling and not come to conclusions that it is a driving factor.
Aramike
06-06-09, 03:11 AM
Sure man is causing global warming. Where any constructive discussion about it always bogs down is over HOW man causes global warming.
There are those here that blame carbon output, SUV's, air conditioners, jet aircraft, over grazing, destruction of the rain forest, coal burning power plants or any number of other pet peeves, none of which are going to have the least amount of effect in stopping it.
This is because they are all mere symptoms of the problem, not the problem itself, and no amount of debate, government regulations, expensive social programs or will make a difference.
We have three basic problems.
1. There are over 6 billion freaking people on the freaking planet.
2. That number is climbing.
3. We can't (or won't) stop it.
The bottom line here is if we can ever hope to get a handle on human caused global warming we must fix at least one of these.BAM!
Right on!
baggygreen
06-06-09, 05:56 AM
I hear there's 2 things good for trimming the excess off of populations - disease and war.
[Dons conspiracy hat] perhaps someone is doing something about it... just ask jimbuna!:O:
I hear there's 2 things good for trimming the excess off of populations - disease and war.
The sad part of it is you're exactly right. Those are the only ways that work.
In the meantime we all argue incessantly about carbon saving plans and other wealth distribution schemes which are doomed to failure before they are even implemented.
Frame57
06-06-09, 09:58 AM
Explain this. I'm just curious.
@SUBMAN,
Are women made from sand? Is cheese the latest tool to fight Communism? Has the future already happened somewhere else?
You should investigate these things, man.:haha: I learned about solar cylces and the earths climate when I was in Junior High school, it seems Al Gore's scientist seem to have forgotten a very elementary fact. They also seem to be ignorant that the Northen polar cap has and will recede and grow without any influence by mankind. The Polar bear is quite capable of living on terra firma and in fact they still do inspite of what Al promotes. I liken this hoax to the butter/margarine fiasco. The scientist said that margarine was better for us than butter. The long haul has debunked that myth. I fact the reverse is true. people on no fat diets are actually at a much greater risk of stroke than those who eat a moderate fat diet. They used their "scientific" pomp to instill fear into people and the cow won the argument
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