[REL] SKIN S-boat dazzle camo (yes, another one ^^)

[ichso]

Sooo,

after a request in thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=152178 I took on work on an S-boat dazzle Skin.

Funny enough, later that day running deer released his own version of a very similiar skin. I was half finished so I went on anyways and finished it this morning. No harm done, running deer, the more variety to choose from the better ;).

My skin is based on this image:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/0803605.jpg

The skin features again, a slightly weathered look with rust, washed off paint (where the sea washed along all the time e.g.) and the oil canning feature I had in my last skin.

It now looks like this:
http://cip.uni-trier.de/%7Eschmidt/sh4/sboatdazzle.jpg
(It was a bit tricky to line up the stripes of differen areas because SH4 has a weird way of gathering it's texture information).

DL link:
http://files.filefront.com/SKIN+S+boat+Dazzle+Camo+Errar/;13845816;/fileinfo.html
And an update for the complete (early & late war) version of the skin (as posted with pictures also below):
http://files.filefront.com/SKIN+S+boat+Dazzle+Camorar/;13851487;/fileinfo.html

The skin is again based on one of Foofighters base versions (already used in RFB afaik).

Happy sailing :salute:

[ichso]

And the first reply is by the author himself ... lame, I know :D

I was gonna skin this one for the sugar boats for next:
http://www.gotouring.com/razzledazzle/images/dazzle2-600.jpg

But if you're already working on it, running deer I would probably rather not start with it, not that we do the same thing twice again, just for organization :DL

[runningdeer]

And the first reply is by the author himself ... lame, I know :D

I was gonna skin this one for the sugar boats for next:
http://www.gotouring.com/razzledazzle/images/dazzle2-600.jpg

But if you're already working on it, running deer I would probably rather not start with it, not that we do the same thing twice again, just for organization :DL

:O:...nope.

Your sugar boat is incredible! :up: It looks exactly like the photo you had to work from. I thought that the photo/design that I used was the only photo of an s-class in dazzle scheme, until you sent me yours. I googled til my nose bled to find mine.

It's very nice work. :|\\

P.S. unless you count this one that I toyed with about 4 days ago, but it was just a screenshot:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=108977&page=134

[gimpy117]

nice now we have two historical ones to choose from!
we need a few camo schemes for fleet boats...did they have any?

[Highbury]

I don't think Fleet Boats ever used Dazzle, but I could be wrong...

Thanks indeed for the skin, it looks fantastic! and the more types we have the better! I would love to see the system used on the USS West Mahomet in the pic, applied to a sugar boat!

For some good 2D diagrams of full ships in Dazzle schemes check this link: http://www.risd.edu/dazzle/
The "gallery" on the right is simply awesome!

[runningdeer]

nice now we have two historical ones to choose from!
we need a few camo schemes for fleet boats...did they have any?
I think that by early in the war, it was determined that the best camouflage for submarines was either black or gray...primarily gray. (from what I gathered). I don't think we will find a porpoise, gato, etc in dazzle scheme unfortunately.

Not even an S-Class. I think there was only a few submarines done up in dazzle...the O & K class submarines. I think that after that it was just black and/or gray.

Bummer...I myself would love to skin a fleet boat in dazzle. It would be easy enough, but probably not historically accurate, for WWII submarine types. :wah:

Then again, I could be wrong. :06:

[Highbury]

What is the class shown here? I am no expert on US WW2 submarines by anyones standard lol, for all I know it isn't even American.

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/5205/dazzlee.jpg

It is a scan from the book; Warship by Anthony Preston. The picture states that the flattop is the USS Hornet, and the picture was taken at Ulithi, no date given. It does say that Hornet is sporting a Design 3A pattern, which I know was also applied to USS Franklin, in Norfolk, in 1944. So it is not necessarily an early war photo. (The book also states that USS Interpid and USS Hancock used the same starboard pattern, which leads me to believe that different patterns may have been used on port and starboard for some ships.)

[runningdeer]

The boat photo in this thread, ichso's skin...is the: K-5 (SS-36). It is a K-Class.

[ichso]

Hi there,

I don't know whether it makes any historical sense but I converted the above skin to a late war scheme also. The old version of the skin would use the dark paint scheme all war long, the newer one will switch to the light version at the appropriate date.

Here is how it looks:
http://cip.uni-trier.de/%7Eschmidt/sh4/latedazzlecollage.jpg

DL link:
http://files.filefront.com/SKIN+S+boat+Dazzle+Camorar/;13851487;/fileinfo.html

:salute:

[runningdeer]

Wow...this will be perfect.

After working with the s-boat skin, I took on a liking to the S boats. So I started a career from the very beginning of the war.

I'm using your skin, cuz it looks so cool and its exactly like the photo, so the game feels even more realistic now.

-thanx :salute:

[captgeo]

Great work, Thank You !!:up:

[ichso]

Thank you :yeah: I'm glad to finally deliver something instead of just downloading all the time ;)

I was tempted to start a new career right away, too, by the way. But then I thought how long it took me to get to where I am now and I decided to finish the current one before :D

[Rockin Robbins]

I know my testing stuff is going to come to a halt while I rejoin my RFB sugar boat career! Now I have the perfect compliment to my shark mouth Kraken skin. It's so easy to forget that the game is supposed to be fun. After awhile you start counting rivets and all the fun is over.:cry:

[ichso]

I know exactly what you mean.

[Highbury]

That is why I stopped modding several years ago, I "tweaked" more then I played!

Very nice skin upgrade, I love it!

[ichso]

Thanks ^^

This modding problem reminds me of creating a model railway.
Build it, stuff it, glue it ... BUT DON'T TOUCH IT ... only watch. :rotfl:

[OrangeYoshi]

IMO this one looks much better than the other one. Maybe it is the smaller lines. They look like pin-stripes.

[ichso]

Did anybody notice ? There is something wrong at this skin. I was just working on a new one when I realized that the draining holes don't really fit the 3D model. They should go a bit upwards to be seen completely. (12 pixels to be exact ;)). This is a problem carried over from Foofighter's skin.
And another thing are the white parts of the stripes, which would not fit the black parts above to 100%.

I already corrected both issues for the late war version of the skin and have no time right now to finish it. I will correct the early version too tomorrow and then release both.

Anybody notice these two things ?

[Highbury]

I did notice the stripes but not the drain holes. Thanks for working on and improving these skins.

Btw, you mentioned doing one in this kind of pattern:
http://www.gotouring.com/razzledazzle/images/dazzle2-600.jpg

Is that still in the works? Just curious, not trying to rush you :D

[ichso]

Exactly :up: I'm still not sure what it will look like :>

[captgeo]

I have been a little hesitant to say this again:oops:, but this is the same problem that I had with the Swordfish skin, the limber holes were not lining up because of FOO's original skin, but then I am not having the same problem (that I have noticed ) with this S-Boat skin. And I will say it again...GREAT JOB man.....fantastic work:yeah:

[ichso]

Hi there,

I finished correcting the few things about stripes and draining holes. Unfortunately the stripes can't be aligned to total satisfaction because SH4 has the bad habit of using the same texture spot for multiple parts of the 3D model. O.k., I think it's this way for efficiency reasons but if I had aligned the stripes perfectly, they would have also shown up on parts of the sub where they absolutely don't belong, so I had to make a compromise. I think they fit at least a bit better now.

The other thing was correcting the position of the draining holes. This gave a weird graphical effect under certain light conditions, when light was reflecting from the hull. I realized that I had to reposition the holes on the occlusion map too in order to avoid that effect but at least that has worked as I hoped ;).

Just a little screenshot for comparison ( difference might be hard to spot if one didn't notice these two things before, actually ):
http://cip.uni-trier.de/%7Eschmidt/sh4/sdazcor.jpg
DL link of the newer version:
http://files.filefront.com/SKIN+S+boat+Dazzle+Camo+cdrar/;13868800;/fileinfo.html

:salute:

[milomark]

Nice skins, but do you have bigger submarines(i mean like the Soviet Typhoon,Kursk,the US Seawolf...or even battleships?):06:

just asking.but a guy told me that you have them(he told me on youtube):D:):DL

[ichso]

Well, I don't :DL
Somebody around here has created 3D models for those, I believe.

[Webster]

i love the job you did but i feel the need to point out the s-boats were 20 yr old hulks that were rusty as hell in spite of how much they tried to maintain them and even a fresh brand new paint job didnt cover up the rust very well or for very long.

i would love to see you take away the "brand new off the showroom" look and change it to a more dirty and weathered look and add a good bit of rust everywhere. at the very least it should still look like a 20 yr old boat.

granted its not realistic to have the dazzle on an s-boat to start with but it is something that "could" have been done at the time and it you had adirty and rusty version it would look more like a somewhat realistic version of a "possible" real version.

just my 2 cents

[Rockin Robbins]

Actually the dazzle paint was tried well before the war, when the s-boats weren't yet complete walking dead yet!:D Even then it didn't last long as the findings from the test were that the boat was actually easier to spot....who figured?:har:

[ichso]

i love the job you did but i feel the need to point out the s-boats were 20 yr old hulks that were rusty as hell in spite of how much they tried to maintain them and even a fresh brand new paint job didnt cover up the rust very well or for very long.

i would love to see you take away the "brand new off the showroom" look and change it to a more dirty and weathered look and add a good bit of rust everywhere. at the very least it should still look like a 20 yr old boat.

granted its not realistic to have the dazzle on an s-boat to start with but it is something that "could" have been done at the time and it you had adirty and rusty version it would look more like a somewhat realistic version of a "possible" real version.

just my 2 cents

Where there rusty looking boats in action during the war ? If they got at least freshly painted before each patrol that could have covered up most of the rusty hull.
But the idea is nice, it would give a whole different appeal to these things, makes the player feel more like sitting in a steel tube that is close before completely falling apart :DL

[WernherVonTrapp]

I thought the dazzle camo scheme wasn't meant to make the boats harder to spot, but rather, to make it more difficult for the enemy gunners/u-boats to determine it's course, speed and length. From what I've read so far, it was rather successful at accomplishing this with it's British innovators and was therefore adopted by the U.S. Navy. Of course, the advent of gun laying radar meant the advent of camo schemes designed to make the vessel harder to see.:hmmm:

[Armistead]

Wernher, you're correct, if fact the dazzle paint schemes were painted in bold bright colors, yellows, purples, reds, ect..We just see the black and white photo's, but can you imagine the dazzle schemes painted bold coming across the sea. The lines and colors were done to make it hard to determine course and confuse the eye in WW1. They all basically died out in WW2, ships were easy to spot and updated radar and sonar made the schemes more dangerous than helpful.

They did test several schemes for ww2 subs, painted waves, different colors of gray, towers more sky and deck dark gray. Finally decided why a scheme may help in certain conditions, it could hurt in others. Black was popular until they decided gray was best for day and night.

This is one of my favorites, the colors not shown in the B&W pic were blue, yellow and white....
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/zebra-striped-camouflage.jpg

[Jan Kyster]

... This is one of my favorites, the colors not shown in the B&W pic were blue, yellow and white....
<image removed>You could have linked to her shown in full colour! :D http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1518506&postcount=4


Found these two images:

USS K 2 (SS-33) off Pensacola, Florida on 12 April 1916...
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/ScreenShots/SS-33.jpg

Same day, same location: the USS K 5 (SS-36).
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/ScreenShots/SS-36.jpg

Source:
Naval Camouflage 1914-1945
A complete visual reference by David Williams
ISBN 1-55750-496-2